PDA

View Full Version : Must Conservatives Be Cop Lovers?




Suzanimal
10-05-2014, 01:42 PM
Must Conservatives Be Cop Lovers?
Rand Paul challenges fellow Republicans to rethink their reflexive support of law enforcement.

...


Paul's positions on criminal justice issues also take some serious guts. He is not just reaching out to a segment of the electorate that is overwhelmingly hostile to Republicans; he is challenging members of his own party to rethink their reflexive support of law enforcement and tough-on-crime policies.

"There is a legitimate role for the police to keep the peace, but there should be a difference between a police response and a military response," Paul wrote in Time on August 14. "There is a systemic problem with today's law enforcement," he added, and "big government has been at the heart of the problem," fostering the militarization of police equipment and tactics.

Paul went further, encouraging Republicans to consider what it feels like to be on the receiving end of excessive police force and excessive criminal punishment. "Given the racial disparities in our criminal justice system," he said, "it is impossible for African-Americans not to feel like their government is particularly targeting them. This is part of the anguish we are seeing in the tragic events outside of St. Louis, Missouri."

The point is not that Officer Darren Wilson committed a crime when he shot Michael Brown, a question that as of this writing has yet to be resolved. The point is that black residents of Ferguson had ample reason to suspect the shooting was not justified and to worry that the official investigation would be rigged in Wilson's favor.

"Anyone who thinks that race does not still, even if inadvertently, skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention," Paul wrote. "Our prisons are full of black and brown men and women who are serving inappropriately long and harsh sentences for non-violent mistakes in their youth."

We are not used to hearing Republicans say that sort of thing. But it happens to be true, and Paul, who in March 2013 introduced a bill that would effectively abolish the federal government's mandatory minimum sentences, is trying to do something about it. He is also sponsoring legislation aimed at restoring the voting rights of nonviolent felons and mitigating the lasting impact that serving time has on people's employment prospects. "I believe in redemption and forgiveness," he explains.

Paul is not asking conservatives to abandon their beliefs. He is asking them to extend their avowed skepticism of big government to the parts of that apparatus that lock people in cages and shoot them down in the street.



http://reason.com/archives/2014/10/05/must-conservatives-be-cop-love#comment

Crashland
10-05-2014, 01:57 PM
http://reason.com/archives/2014/10/05/must-conservatives-be-cop-love#comment

IMO, Rand is positioning himself perfectly between the "cops can do no wrong" crowd and the "most/all cops are bad people even for just taking that job" crowd.

KCIndy
10-05-2014, 02:00 PM
The big question is whether Harry Reid will allow any of Rand's proposals to come up for a vote.

Suzanimal
10-05-2014, 02:02 PM
The big question is whether Harry Reid will allow any of Rand's proposals to come up for a vote.

I seriously doubt it.

Brett85
10-05-2014, 04:02 PM
IMO, Rand is positioning himself perfectly between the "cops can do no wrong" crowd and the "most/all cops are bad people even for just taking that job" crowd.

Yep, which is where most people are.

Christian Liberty
10-05-2014, 04:46 PM
IMO, Rand is positioning himself perfectly between the "cops can do no wrong" crowd and the "most/all cops are bad people even for just taking that job" crowd.


Yep, which is where most people are.

Are you speaking from an electoral POV or a moral one?

Elecotrally, even I wouldn't attack police for being police if I were a politician. I'm not sure what the point of that would be. But morally, the people who attack police for being police are right, at least to a point.

Crashland
10-05-2014, 06:07 PM
Are you speaking from an electoral POV or a moral one?

Elecotrally, even I wouldn't attack police for being police if I were a politician. I'm not sure what the point of that would be. But morally, the people who attack police for being police are right, at least to a point.

I figured it was only a matter of time until someone...

Christian Liberty
10-05-2014, 06:13 PM
I figured it was only a matter of time until someone...

I don't expect Rand Paul to say that, since he's a politician. But we aren't politicians. I don't see what's wrong with discussing the issue here, unless you think Rand winning is more important than discussion of principle. I don't exist to help Rand win.

Christian Liberty
10-05-2014, 06:14 PM
Yes, cops are "bad" for being cops in much the same way that mafia members are bad for being mafia, and thieves are bad for being thieves, and armed kidnappers are bad for being armed kidnappers. Can we grant ignorance as a mitigating factor? Sure, particularly when only a small group of the VICTIMS realize they are being victimized anyway. Can we say that there are good people that for whatever reasons wind up in law enforcement? Yes, at least as far as we can say certain people are "good" anyway. But that doesn't change the fact that their careers are inherently aggressive, which is inherently immoral.

William Tell
10-05-2014, 06:17 PM
No, I am not a "cop lover"

Christian Liberty
10-05-2014, 06:26 PM
No, I am not a "cop lover"

I don't think you're a conservative either:)

tod evans
10-05-2014, 06:29 PM
Seems as though copsuckers transcend political boundaries..

Big difference for most is which laws they're enforcing...

William Tell
10-05-2014, 06:30 PM
I don't think you're a conservative either:)
Really? hmmm......

I consider myself a true conservative. In fact, I take couple thousand year old positions on some things:p