First US case of Ebola

[tangent4ronpaul]

CDC news conference on now.

Arrived in US from Liberia with no symptoms, then got sick.

-t

[JK/SEA]

just in time for the holidays.

Merry Christmas.

[dillo]

well this sucks

[PaulConventionWV]

Everyone panic!!!!

[JK/SEA]

Everyone panic!!!!

not yet. Lets give it a few weeks.

[Brian4Liberty]

Don't worry, nothing to see here. We are so advanced and superior here in the US that no disease will ever spread!

[jllundqu]

Is anyone really concerned about Ebola being a serious issue in the US? I'm not. Jus sayin

[Brian4Liberty]

Political correctness has stopped any ideas of quarantine. We'll see what that will bring.

[Brian4Liberty]

Is anyone really concerned about Ebola being a serious issue in the US? I'm not. Jus sayin

About 1000 times more concerned that I am about ISIS.

[alucard13mm]

TSA would rather harass Americans.. than to maybe screen people who traveled from West Africa into USA. lol.

Lovely.. diseases from Africa and Central/South America. Anyone reading about the respiratory disease with polio like symptoms recently?

[green73]

Everyone panic!!!!



EBOLA HITS DALLAS (http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/09/29/north-texas-hospital-evaluating-patient-for-potential-ebola-exposure)
http://www.drudgereport.com/i/logo9.gif (http://www.drudgereport.com/)

http://andthatswhyyouresingle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Scared.png..

[MelissaWV]

Is anyone really concerned about Ebola being a serious issue in the US? I'm not. Jus sayin

It depends on where you live, what you do for a living, and what sort of people you interact with on a daily basis. I'm not terrified, but it has the potential to be a fairly serious issue for me, yeah.

[69360]

Could have been prevented. Travel should have been restricted from Africa.

[jllundqu]

It depends on where you live, what you do for a living, and what sort of people you interact with on a daily basis. I'm not terrified, but it has the potential to be a fairly serious issue for me, yeah.

Good points. I do interact with people all over Arizona on a fairly regular basis, but I don't exchange bodily fluids with anyone but the Mrs... ;)

I would think those in the healthcare industry would be most at-risk. Would that include you, Melissa?

[MelissaWV]

Good points. I do interact with people all over Arizona on a fairly regular basis, but I don't exchange bodily fluids with anyone but the Mrs... ;)

I would think those in the healthcare industry would be most at-risk. Would that include you, Melissa?

That would include me, and by location and people I was thinking more directly of those in metro hospitals that see a great deal of lower income and undocumented patients. At those places, you see little blooms of things like H1N1, TB, and I would guess this would follow a similar vector. People in crowded waiting areas also don't always cover their mouths, and I will spare you what happens in the seats of shopping carts or in waiting room chairs when someone has a sick infant/toddler. Even then, it's a remote chance of catching anything, but as Brian pointed out it's 1000 times more likely than any boogey man danger from overseas terrorists.

[TheCount]

Travel should have been restricted from Africa.

By whom how?

[cajuncocoa]

Is anyone really concerned about Ebola being a serious issue in the US? I'm not. Jus sayin
I'm not unconcerned about it. I expect there will be deaths here in the U.S. from Ebola. It sucks to be those people and their loved ones. I don't expect it will wipe out half of the country, no. Just enough deaths to take away more civil liberties? sure.

[dillo]

good job TSA keeping us safe

[69360]

By whom how?

Don't allow flights from Ebola countries. I don't know if they go direct, but anyway. Don't allow anyone who's passport has a stamp from an Ebola country into the US.

You'll never get everyone, but those should have been basic precautions.

[ChristianAnarchist]

You aren't likely to die from Ebola. Sure, it's a deadly disease but with modern medical treatment (NOT available in Africa) the fatality rate can be reduced to somewhere around 50%. That's not good, but it's better than in Africa where it's about 90%. I for one do not want to get Ebola but we really need to put it into perspective. Only a small percentage of people will come down with it and half of them will survive. Perhaps the threat of Ebola spreading here will result in a cure. Only time will tell but please, don't panic...

[tangent4ronpaul]

This isn't giving me confidence...

A Liberian national hops on a plane on the 19th, arrives here on the 20th.
4 days later he starts developing symptoms (becomes contagious)
2 days later he's really not feeling good so goes to the ER... They kick him loose (facepalm)
2 days later either he comes back on his own or guys in bunnysuites show up at his door and drag him in - unknown which.
so after wandering around for 4 days when contagious he lands in isolation. They do a test and it comes back positive today.

The only up side here is that he only had contact with a dozen or two people those 4 days (+everyone in the ER first visit).
So the plus side is they can probably stop it with contact tracing.

-t

[Brian4Liberty]

I'm not unconcerned about it. I expect there will be deaths here in the U.S. from Ebola. It sucks to be those people and their loved ones. I don't expect it will wipe out half of the country, no. Just enough deaths to take away more civil liberties? sure.

No problems. If anyone in your household is running a fever, you will be escorted to your quarantine camp.

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[donnay]

I'm not unconcerned about it. I expect there will be deaths here in the U.S. from Ebola. It sucks to be those people and their loved ones. I don't expect it will wipe out half of the country, no. Just enough deaths to take away more civil liberties? sure.

Bring Martial Law as well. :mad:

[cajuncocoa]

No problems. If anyone in your household is running a fever, you will be escorted to your quarantine camp.

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Except they'll be wearing bunny suits while toting the guns.

[Brian4Liberty]

Bring Martial Law as well. :mad:

That's crazy talk! That would never happen in the USSA. Well, except for maybe New Orleans. And Boston. Dallas next?

[donnay]

CDC Warns Funeral Homes in U.S. to Prepare For Ebola Victims
Recommendations caution workers not to embalm corpses

by Paul Joseph Watson | September 30, 2014

The Centers for Disease Control is advising funeral homes in the United States on how to handle the remains of Ebola victims, although officials are keen to stress that the development is not a cause for alarm.

(Video (http://www.infowars.com/cdc-warns-funeral-homes-in-u-s-to-prepare-for-ebola-victims/))

A three page list of recommendations instructs funeral workers to wear protective gear while handling Ebola victims, as well as warning them not to carry out autopsies or to embalm corpses.

“If the outbreak of the potentially deadly virus is in West Africa, why are funeral homes in America being given guidelines?” asks WFSB.com.

Last night it was revealed that a Dallas hospital is holding a potential Ebola victim in “strict isolation” after the patient was admitted based on symptoms and “recent travel history.”

Alysia English, Executive Director of the Georgia Funeral Directors Association, dismissed suggestions that Americans should be alarmed by the recommendations.

“Absolutely not. In fact, if they weren’t hearing about it, they should be a whole lot more concerned,” said English.

As we reported earlier this month, the U.S. State Department ordered 160,000 Ebola hazmat suits, prompting concerns that officials were preparing for an outbreak within the United States.

While Ebola has so far been confined to the continent of Africa, speculation has arisen that the virus could have gone airborne to at least a limited extent.

Continued... (http://www.infowars.com/cdc-warns-funeral-homes-in-u-s-to-prepare-for-ebola-victims/)

[TheCount]

Don't allow flights

Who should do this?

Who makes the decision?

How would you prevent someone from, say, flying to an adjacent city in Canada, Mexico, or the Caribbean and then taking a connecting flight into the states?



Don't allow anyone who's passport has a stamp from an Ebola country into the US.

You think that we should prohibit US citizens from entering the US?

[XNavyNuke]

Who should do this?

Who makes the decision?



Under the Public Health Service Act of 1944, the Surgeon General has sole authority to make and enforce quarantine. Unless you are from the WW2 generation you have no personal experience with large quarantines.



You think that we should prohibit US citizens from entering the US?

If their passport has a stamp from a known country less than 90 days old, yes. House them at the Federal facility on Plum Island until they clear.

XNN

[johnwk]

Today on FoxNews during the CDC’s press conferences the public was repeatedly misled about the spread of the Ebola virus. It was asserted a number of times that the spread of the Ebola virus is not spread through the air and one must come in contact with the bodily fluids of an infected person to contract the virus.

Well, it may be technically accurate to say that one must come in contact with the bodily fluids of an infected person to contract the virus. However, if an infected person coughs or sneezes onto an open wound of another individual, that individual does come in contact with the body fluids of the infected person and the bodily fluids were transmitted through the air! So, why is the CDC asserting the Ebola virus cannot be spread through the air? Do they not consider a person who comes in contact with an infected person's bodily fluids which are transmitted by a cough or sneezing something other than an airborne transmission? If so, what is the technical term used to describe transmission of bodily fluids by coughing and sneezing?


JWK

[69360]

Who should do this?

Who makes the decision?

How would you prevent someone from, say, flying to an adjacent city in Canada, Mexico, or the Caribbean and then taking a connecting flight into the states?




You think that we should prohibit US citizens from entering the US?

Yes, we should prohibit citizens from re-entering if they traveled there.

Checking passports for stamps should catch most even if they stopped somewhere else first. Obviously it won't be perfect.

Homeland and CBP can do it. It wouldn't be particularly difficult.

[Carlybee]

TSA would rather harass Americans.. than to maybe screen people who traveled from West Africa into USA. lol.

Lovely.. diseases from Africa and Central/South America. Anyone reading about the respiratory disease with polio like symptoms recently?


Their idea of screening is using the same pair of gloves for every crotch grab

[GunnyFreedom]

Personally I'd recommend a 24 day quarantine on entry, only for persons who have been inside the plague zone in the last month. It would seem that it takes 21 days for symptoms to manifest, so this would bullet-proof guarantee that it never made to the wild in the US. Just add the disclosure to flights/boats and such into the US, that if they have been inside an Ebola zone in the last month, then they will be quarantined for 24 days on entry. Have them agree to it specifically to get on the airplane, or if they do not agree they can spend a month away from a plague zone before coming to the US and then they can bypass the quarantine. This power would come from the power to regulate foreign commerce (travel being a form of commerce) for which I think a quarantine lasting only the length of Ebola incubation (or long enough to be certain it is not present) is a reasonable measure. Congress does have the power to prevent the transmission of foreign sicknesses into the US via private and commercial travel, given the original contemporary definition of 'commerce' included private and commercial travel.

I don't really like it, but I don't see a Constitutional violation, and I do believe it is a reasonable measure for travellers to the US who have recently been in direct contact with Ebola infected areas to make sure they are not infected before cutting them loose into the wild.

Forum anarchists will despise me but whatever. I never claimed to be an anarchist, I am a Constitutionalist :p

[Feeding the Abscess]

Political correctness has stopped any ideas of quarantine. We'll see what that will bring.

And later in the thread:


No problems. If anyone in your household is running a fever, you will be escorted to your quarantine camp.

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Is 'Brian4Liberty' a handle that a few different people use to post under or something?

[Feeding the Abscess]

Personally I'd recommend a 24 day quarantine on entry, only for persons who have been inside the plague zone in the last month. It would seem that it takes 21 days for symptoms to manifest, so this would bullet-proof guarantee that it never made to the wild in the US. Just add the disclosure to flights/boats and such into the US, that if they have been inside an Ebola zone in the last month, then they will be quarantined for 24 days on entry. Have them agree to it specifically to get on the airplane, or if they do not agree they can spend a month away from a plague zone before coming to the US and then they can bypass the quarantine. This power would come from the power to regulate foreign commerce (travel being a form of commerce) for which I think a quarantine lasting only the length of Ebola incubation (or long enough to be certain it is not present) is a reasonable measure. Congress does have the power to prevent the transmission of foreign sicknesses into the US via private and commercial travel, given the original contemporary definition of 'commerce' included private and commercial travel.

I don't really like it, but I don't see a Constitutional violation, and I do believe it is a reasonable measure for travellers to the US who have recently been in direct contact with Ebola infected areas to make sure they are not infected before cutting them loose into the wild.

Forum anarchists will despise me but whatever. I never claimed to be an anarchist, I am a Constitutionalist :p

If that's how supposed constitutionalists view the document, why should people like myself take it seriously at all? Wasn't the whole point that if something isn't clearly stated in the document, that the government doesn't have the authority to undertake such an action? Please educate me as to the differences between what you did in this post and what progressives argue with welfare and any number of government action to combat [insert problem here].

[tangent4ronpaul]

Do they not consider a person who comes in contact with an infected person's bodily fluids which are transmitted by a cough or sneezing something other than an airborne transmission? If so, what is the technical term used to describe transmission of bodily fluids by coughing and sneezing?

JWK

Droplet spread.

think about it this way: Technically there is a difference. Airborne is your sick and breathe out. viri in your lungs floats around, gets sucked up into a ventilation duct and some pour sucker 4 doors downs gets sick. droplet is more like it had the dispersal characteristics of a spit wad shooter. if flies and lands somewhere. if that's someones eye or they touch where it landed and their hand ends up at their mouth, they get sick.

-t

[Anti Federalist]

I'm not unconcerned about it. I expect there will be deaths here in the U.S. from Ebola. It sucks to be those people and their loved ones. I don't expect it will wipe out half of the country, no. Just enough deaths to take away more civil liberties? sure.

That.

That is all you need to know.

Assuming this is not the start of the zombie apocalypse, nothing of any great importance will come out of this except for the loss of more liberty.

[idiom]

http://i.imgur.com/BUBWQld.png

[MelissaWV]

Symptons :eek: My God. It's worse than I thought.

[Dr.3D]

http://i.imgur.com/BUBWQld.png
Seems like they should quarantine those identified persons for a full 21 days. If they don't, what's to keep them from passing it on to more persons to be identified at a future date?

[Carlybee]

Well I'm stocking up on immune building stuff and stuff with antiviral properties anyway.

[GunnyFreedom]

If that's how supposed constitutionalists view the document, why should people like myself take it seriously at all? Wasn't the whole point that if something isn't clearly stated in the document, that the government doesn't have the authority to undertake such an action? Please educate me as to the differences between what you did in this post and what progressives argue with welfare and any number of government action to combat [insert problem here].

How exactly is "Congress shall have the power...To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes." not clearly stated? It's in English, and the syntax is constructed simply enough. What's confusing about it?

[Inkblots]

Everyone panic!!!!

When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout.

[Carlybee]

About the patient

An adult male, with a recent history of travel to West Africa

Traveling to the U.S. to visit family, per the CDC

Patient does not appear to have been a health care worker assisting with effort, per CDC Director Dr. Tom Frieden

"This patient undoubtedly had close contact with someone who was sick with Ebola, or who died from it," Frieden said.


Status of the patient

The patient is currently under intensive care

Officials will not release additional details, citing patient confidentiality

Patient is communicating and expressing hunger, according to officials speaking at the Texas press conference


Patient timeline

Patient traveled from Liberia on September 19

Arrive in U.S. on September 20

Developed symptoms on 9/24

Sought treatment on 9/26, but was sent back home; discharged with antibiotics

Patient admitted to hospital on 9/28

Ebola test came back positive at 1:22pm Tuesday Houston time.

[euphemia]

Hospitality industry here. Someone licks their fingers before counting money....

[donnay]

My sister just left this hospital too. :eek:

[FindLiberty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU0d8kpybVg

[navy-vet]

Don't worry, nothing to see here. We are so advanced and superior here in the US that no disease will ever spread!
lol yeah that's what I was thinking. It's what they have been declaring since this began:rolleyes:

[Carlybee]

My sister just left this hospital too. :eek:

He sought treatment and was sent home before he ended up back there ...cringe....

[tangent4ronpaul]

About the patient

An adult male, with a recent history of travel to West Africa

Traveling to the U.S. to visit family, per the CDC

Patient does not appear to have been a health care worker assisting with effort, per CDC Director Dr. Tom Frieden

"This patient undoubtedly had close contact with someone who was sick with Ebola, or who died from it," Frieden said.


Status of the patient

The patient is currently under intensive care

Officials will not release additional details, citing patient confidentiality

Patient is communicating and expressing hunger, according to officials speaking at the Texas press conference


If you have Ebola and are hungry, you are recovering. If you complain about the food, you are about ready for discharge.

People that get palliative care within the first 5 days of showing symptoms have very good recovery prospects. People that present in days 6-8+ generally die.





Patient timeline

Patient traveled from Liberia on September 19

Arrive in U.S. on September 20

Developed symptoms on 9/24

Sought treatment on 9/26, but was sent back home; discharged with antibiotics <== MAJOR Public Health System FUCK UP!!! :(

Patient admitted to hospital on 9/28

Ebola test came back positive at 1:22pm Tuesday Houston time.

-t

[brushfire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU0d8kpybVg

Was looking for Kareem's version LOL... Still kinda interesting for anyone who watched this back in the day:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsMp2pZK-Cw

[RonPaulIsGreat]

To be prudent, and respond to this threat with appropriate action, I propose the following course of action.

1. Immediately kill and burn anyone that presents any signs of illness, or has come within 30 feet of anyone that is ill.

That should take care of it.

[tangent4ronpaul]

To be prudent, and respond to this threat with appropriate action, I propose the following course of action.

1. Immediately kill and burn anyone that presents any signs of illness, or has come within 30 feet of anyone that is ill.

That should take care of it.

I'm getting my chainsaw.
That will teach that dang virus!
:rolleyes:

-t

[Brian4Liberty]

And later in the thread:

Is 'Brian4Liberty' a handle that a few different people use to post under or something?

No. The two posts you quoted simply means that if you don't quarantine over there, you invite martial law over here.

Stopping flights in and out of Ebola hot-zones is hardly mentioned. It's considered politically incorrect, or cruel, or mean or elitist or even racist. Hell, Obama would probably have the gall to claim that it is unconstitutional.

On the other hand, they have no problem implementing martial law in the US for unreasonable cause. There was no justification for house to house gun confiscation in New Orleans. There was no reasonable cause for city wide "shelter in place" or martial law in the Boston area.

If it does start to spread in the US, you can bank on the fact that the measures will eventually be far more draconian than just stopping flights.

[Brian4Liberty]

An adult male, with a recent history of travel to West Africa

Traveling to the U.S. to visit family, per the CDC
...
"This patient undoubtedly had close contact with someone who was sick with Ebola, or who died from it," Frieden said.
...
The patient is currently under intensive care


Close contact? How close? Sure Frieden, whatever you say.

This sequence of events provides a valuable lesson:

- If you are in an Ebola break-out zone and think you are exposed, your best bet is to immediately jump on a jet to the US where you will get first class medical treatment.

[Carlybee]

"The City of Dallas has activated their Emergency Operations Center and is on Level 2: High Readiness after receiving confirmation that Dallas has the first diagnosed Ebola case in the nation."
- Dallas Office of Emergency Management

[invisible]

Stopping flights in and out of Ebola hot-zones is hardly mentioned. It's considered politically incorrect, or cruel, or mean or elitist or even racist. Hell, Obama would probably have the gall to claim that it is unconstitutional.

It's just too easy to do, and would make far too much sense.


If it does start to spread in the US, you can bank on the fact that the measures will eventually be far more draconian than just stopping flights.

Unfortunately, this is the bottom line.

[alucard13mm]

Stock up on cigarettes... you can probably trade cigarettes for water, fuel, ammo/guns, and food. Maybe even hire some guards too.

Maybe the dollar will collapse and we resort to a barter system?

[devil21]

Great excuse to put the executive order authorizing detention/quarantine of anyone with suspected ebola, but written as a broadly defined respiratory disease, into action. I've thought for a while that the intentional illegal immigrant influx was meant to be a test run for the FEMA camp facilities (see: rex 84) before something larger happens (or is alleged to have happened) that puts them into general usage. I hope I'm wrong and connecting dots that shouldn't be connected but this ebola stuff, along with the illegals in detention centers, and the recent Georgia Guidestones activity, Holder's pending resignation, effort to move public further away from the WH, etc look coordinated to me.

[tangent4ronpaul]

No. The two posts you quoted simply means that if you don't quarantine over there, you invite martial law over here.

Stopping flights in and out of Ebola hot-zones is hardly mentioned. It's considered politically incorrect, or cruel, or mean or elitist or even racist. Hell, Obama would probably have the gall to claim that it is unconstitutional.

On the other hand, they have no problem implementing martial law in the US for unreasonable cause. There was no justification for house to house gun confiscation in New Orleans. There was no reasonable cause for city wide "shelter in place" or martial law in the Boston area.

If it does start to spread in the US, you can bank on the fact that the measures will eventually be far more draconian than just stopping flights.

Quarantine and martial law. Quarantine usually means individual quarantine. They recently finished a martial law level quarantine in Sierra Leone for 3 days - shelter in place. It worked. They broke the exponential curve of new cases. They also knocked on every door in the slums and provided education. In the process, they discovered 120 unknown cases that needed individual quarantine. It worked, WOW! DID IT WORK!

Until recently, all commercial airlines flying into and out of the hot zone stopped service to those locations. One recently resumed service and we got a USA Ebola case as a result. Beyond that, AirWHO (actually the UN Food Program, who charter their aircraft) were the only ones flying relief peeps and supplies in. That means shortages of health workers and the materials they need. That means Ebola 1, MSF and others 0. Now the US mil is providing air support. It's helped!

Surprised you didn't mention the martial law lockdown/shelter in place currently going on in NE PA right now.

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

"The City of Dallas has activated their Emergency Operations Center and is on Level 2: High Readiness after receiving confirmation that Dallas has the first diagnosed Ebola case in the nation."
- Dallas Office of Emergency Management

The EBS system that is supposed to be a MONTHLY test but goes off daily, sometimes multiple times daily, though usually at 4:30 am or so, is now a WEELKY test and still goes off daily - only now like at 10:30am and actually stepped on Obama doing a national level broadcast across many channels. This had to do with the ISIL threat, btw...

Oh, it's not just the airlines either. The relief community is having a lot of problems getting a oil tanker to come into that port, not to mention a cargo ship with supplies and transport so they can collect bodies and dispose of them.

-t

[Carlybee]

I feel like I am living in an episode of the Twilight Zone

[pcosmar]

Seriously,,
Who did not see this coming? :(

[invisible]

Seriously,,
Who did not see this coming? :(

Yup, as soon as they brought that first guy to Atlanta. Seems like someone almost wanted, invited it to happen. Now, follow the money as the story unfolds, and see who benefits.

[FloralScent]

By whom how?

The Federal government, this is one of the few legitimate powers they have.

[PaulConventionWV]

Political correctness has stopped any ideas of quarantine. We'll see what that will bring.

Political correctness? I'm aware of political correctness when it comes to religion, sex, politics, gender/orientation/race, but I've never heard of political correctness when it comes to quarantining sick individuals.

[Brian4Liberty]

Political correctness? I'm aware of political correctness when it comes to religion, sex, politics, gender/orientation/race, but I've never heard of political correctness when it comes to quarantining sick individuals.

You are a mean, terrible person if you in any way suggest that a person should not be able to come into the US after exposure to Ebola. You are twice as mean if that person is a non-citizen (the CDC doctor today refused to answer a question about the citizenship of the Ebola patient). You are triple mean if that person is coming from an impoverished nation. You are quadruple mean (and a racist) if that nation has a majority of people who are ordained as a minority in the United States.

Now if that person were coming from, say, Russia or Iran, then a quarantine on that entire nation would be in order, along with sanctions and a possible dropping of fire bombs for sterilization and decontamination.

[Constitutional Paulicy]

http://majinjxo.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/pharmaceutical-logos.png

PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES TO THE RESCUE!!!!

Next we will see a vaccine being recommended by the CDC for all school aged children as a preventative approach to a disease that has no real need for such drastic measures. Endorsed by our government in the interest of the lobbyists who are hell bent on pushing their unneeded drugs on the consumer.

[kcchiefs6465]

I feel like I am living in an episode of the Twilight Zone
Whatever do you mean?.... lol.

I remember you saying this would occur (you might have even used Dallas as an example[?]) but regardless, slippery slope is slippery.

ETA: FFS, me too.

[mad cow]

http://majinjxo.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/pharmaceutical-logos.png

PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES TO THE RESCUE!!!!

Next we will see a vaccine being recommended by the CDC for all school aged children as a preventative approach to a disease that has no real need for such drastic measures. Endorsed by our government in the interest of the lobbyists who are hell bent on pushing their unneeded drugs on the consumer.

Don't want an Ebola vaccine,don't get an Ebola vaccine
If somebody comes up with a successful Ebola vaccine,I will stand in line to get one.
And I won't stand in line for free beer.

[jkob]

wake me when somebody has actually caught it outside of west Africa

dont believe the hype

[Constitutional Paulicy]

Don't want an Ebola vaccine,don't get an Ebola vaccine
If somebody comes up with a successful Ebola vaccine,I will stand in line to get one.
And I won't stand in line for free beer.

The danger of this disease becoming wide spread is being over hyped. Rushing a vaccine to market has the potential to be very harmful. If there were people in contact with victims of the disease then of course. However, the pharmaceutical companies don't invest millions of dollars into development of a vaccine for it to only be administered to hundreds or thousand, but on the scale of hundreds of thousands if not millions. Otherwise they see no profit from their efforts. I wouldn't be surprised if they dont dedicate enough expenditures to the development until they deem it financially beneficial and have the support of the government behind widespread distribution to those who have no risk of contracting the disease.

[mad cow]

Rushing a vaccine to market has the potential to be very harmful.
How so?I am talking about a successful vaccine here.The sooner the better.

If there were people in contact with victims of the disease then of course
I would pay $100 dollars tomorrow for a successful vaccine which would inoculate me from people who met people who flew on the same airline or ate in the same restaurant or stayed in the same hotel or rode the same bus as people who were in any kind of close contact with victims of this disease.

[nobody's_hero]

Personally I'd recommend a 24 day quarantine on entry, only for persons who have been inside the plague zone in the last month. It would seem that it takes 21 days for symptoms to manifest, so this would bullet-proof guarantee that it never made to the wild in the US. Just add the disclosure to flights/boats and such into the US, that if they have been inside an Ebola zone in the last month, then they will be quarantined for 24 days on entry.

28 days. 28 days later I think is how the movie went.

But seriously, I do think it's laughable that in the ER I work in, we have a personal protection kit for Ebola. A kit. As in, one. 'Guess it's gonna be a mad dash for the kit if someone comes in with the symptoms while the rest of us are just, well, screwed, to put it politely.

This gonna be me when the outbreak gets bad:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFOTlwaEHk

[Constitutional Paulicy]

How so?I am talking about a successful vaccine here.The sooner the better.

It's happened with mercury in flu formulas in the past. And many vaccines have not seen long term clinical trials to know the full outcome of the effect. I happen to believe that we are highly complicated biological creatures who can easily be negatively effected by environmental contaminants as well as well intended drugs. It's much to difficult for "modern" science to detect the adverse effects of such things. Neurological disorders are often chalked up to all sorts of guesswork. How much more intelligent might we have been if you could remove all the contaminants we have been exposed to in your lifetime. When you think of it that way you have to way the risk with the side effects.


I would pay $100 dollars tomorrow for a successful vaccine which would inoculate me from people who met people who flew on the same airline or ate in the same restaurant or stayed in the same hotel or rode the same bus as people who were in any kind of close contact with victims of this disease.

And you would be wise to in this circumstance. My wife works as a nurse for the CDC here in our city in Taiwan. She monitored potential SARS patients who merely had flu like symptoms. Anyone with a flu was quarantined to their homes. Yet there was never a vaccine nor was it as contagious as billed. The Ebola virus is spread in the same way as SARS. Through bodily fluids.

When the H1N1 and bird flu scares were in full force, the H1N1 vaccine was being administered through my wife's office and many of the doctors and nurses opted out of having their children receive inoculations at the local schools because they believed it to be an over reaction as did me and my wife. So our daughter never received the injection.

I teach at a medial university where my wife graduated from and many realize the money making aspects of the pharmaceutical industry when it came to H1N1.

[mad cow]

I happen to believe that we are highly complicated biological creatures who can easily be negatively effected by environmental contaminants as well as well intended drugs.
And I happen to believe that we are highly complicated biological creatures who can easily be negatively effected by the Ebola virus.
I will take my chances with the mercury.

[Anti Federalist]

Welp, I gotta admit this:

The idea of a pandemic outbreak of a disease that holds the high probability of death by bleeding out through your asshole and eyeballs as your internal organs turn to mush, would probably have me standing in line for a vaccine as well.

Which is, if there are any nefarious actors in this unfolding drama outside of naturally occurring disease vectors, just what Theye want.

[devil21]

Welp, I gotta admit this:

The idea of a pandemic outbreak of a disease that holds the high probability of death by bleeding out through your asshole and eyeballs as your internal organs turn to mush, would probably have me standing in line for a vaccine as well.


Wut?

[TheTexan]

Just a thought, but maybe this was the doing of ISIS??

[GunnyFreedom]

Just a thought, but maybe this was the doing of ISIS??
http://reho.st/http://www.egypt4gifts.com/prodimages/Papyrusm009.jpg

[HOLLYWOOD]

hey, fractional reserve lending... of course the people are stuck with the loans/debt, Big Pharma is stuck with the profits, and Big Government is stuck with the campaign contributions/lobbying. Whata racket.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yJUG63epFm8/VCtsjeR4lpI/AAAAAAAABBA/jLWFQVSv1rg/s1600/Dallas%2BEbola%2BDates.JPG
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ufVgUj86eAg/VCtqvM1hQPI/AAAAAAAABA4/0MkpQD9HmGw/s1600/Ebola%2Bonset%2Bdistribution.JPG




http://majinjxo.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/pharmaceutical-logos.png

PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES TO THE RESCUE!!!!

Next we will see a vaccine being recommended by the CDC for all school aged children as a preventative approach to a disease that has no real need for such drastic measures. Endorsed by our government in the interest of the lobbyists who are hell bent on pushing their unneeded drugs on the consumer.

[XNavyNuke]

Droplet spread.

think about it this way: Technically there is a difference. Airborne is your sick and breathe out. viri in your lungs floats around, gets sucked up into a ventilation duct and some pour sucker 4 doors downs gets sick. droplet is more like it had the dispersal characteristics of a spit wad shooter. if flies and lands somewhere. if that's someones eye or they touch where it landed and their hand ends up at their mouth, they get sick.

-t

The Glorious Leader assures me that there are no body fluids being spread here.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02877/Sneeze1_2877041k.jpg

XNN

[FindLiberty]

Moral hazards make a disease far worse than it needs to be (public fear panic / ignorance, power mad "authorities", greed / profit motive, medical / media BS errors such as antibiotics or un-proven long term effects of anti-viral or vaccinations).

If this was a insane population reduction scheme, they'd be keeping entire flights of passengers huddled close together in the hallways of the airports for 20 days whenever a single arriving passenger was suspected of being infected. After removing the obviously sick person after a week of horrid living conditions at the airport, they'd let all the other passengers scurry home or to their connecting flights so they could spread the infection geometrically.

[Carlybee]

Possible second case being reported in Dallas...family member of the infected man. Not confirmed...just read some radio station announced it.

[ghengis86]

Possible second case being reported in Dallas...family member of the infected man. Not confirmed...just read some radio station announced it.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-01/cdc-releases-qa-ebola-america-rumors-swirl-second-us-case

[Carlybee]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-01/cdc-releases-qa-ebola-america-rumors-swirl-second-us-case


Thanks. I'm sure they will be checking anyone they know he was in contact with.

[ghengis86]

Thanks. I'm sure they will be checking anyone they know he was in contact with.

right...like all the people on the plane, the airport personnel, the people stateside, the people who first saw him and then discharged him with a perscription for anitbiotics, the people who were in line with him waiting to fill the perscription, all the door knobs he touched, etc., etc.

it doesn't have to be airborne to be a serious threat. the BS with which our dear leaders are responding to this makes you almost think it's intentional.

[pcosmar]

How so?I am talking about a successful vaccine here.The sooner the better.

I would pay $100 dollars tomorrow for a successful vaccine which would inoculate me from people who met people who flew on the same airline or ate in the same restaurant or stayed in the same hotel or rode the same bus as people who were in any kind of close contact with victims of this disease.
http://www.thestar.com/life/health_wellness/2009/02/26/officials_investigate_how_bird_flu_contaminated_va ccines_in_europe.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?sid=aTo3LbhcA75I&pid=newsarchive


The contamination incident, which is being investigated by the four European countries, came to light when the subcontractor in the Czech Republic inoculated ferrets with the product and they died. Ferrets shouldn't die from exposure to human H3N2 flu viruses.

Public health authorities concerned about what has been described as a "serious error" on Baxter's part have assumed the death of the ferrets meant the H5N1 virus in the product was live. But the company, Baxter International Inc., has been parsimonious about the amount of information it has released about the event.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/baxter-admits-flu-product-contained-live-bird-flu-virus-1.374503#ixzz3Eu2gonXw

Be careful who you trust.

[Acala]

I hate to rain on a good panic parade, but, contrary to the thread title, this is NOT the first US case of ebola. This is just another case of someone contracting ebola in Africa. It may lead to the first US case of ebola, but this ain't it.

[JK/SEA]

wake me up when its announced members of Congress are ill with Ebola.....

till then, continue with the D3 vitamin, and 3 shots of tequila every 2 hours.

[cajuncocoa]

Just a thought, but maybe this was the doing of ISIS??
Yes. Definitely.

[cajuncocoa]

Seeing that they sent the guy home on the 26th even though he showed symptoms makes me think they wanted more people infected. But I'm a conspiracy nut so .....

[GunnyFreedom]

wake me when somebody has actually caught it outside of west Africa

dont believe the hype
You awake yet? Apparently someone just caught it outside of West Africa behind this guy.

[Nirvikalpa]

Seriously,,
Who did not see this coming? :(

Everyone should have saw this coming, considering top scientists have said it, and it's been plotted that there was a 1 in 5 chance of it being spread to America by the end of September (http://currents.plos.org/outbreaks/article/assessing-the-international-spreading-risk-associated-with-the-2014-west-african-ebola-outbreak/).


Yup, as soon as they brought that first guy to Atlanta. Seems like someone almost wanted, invited it to happen. Now, follow the money as the story unfolds, and see who benefits.

"That first guy" was an American doctor who recovered 100%, didn't infect anyone else, and was in strict isolation. It's amazing what IV fluids will do with ebola patients - we have them, most third-world countries have them, but in extremely limited supplies. If you can keep an ebola patient's fluid levels steady, their chance of surviving is high.


right...like all the people on the plane, the airport personnel, the people stateside, the people who first saw him and then discharged him with a perscription for anitbiotics, the people who were in line with him waiting to fill the perscription, all the door knobs he touched, etc., etc.

it doesn't have to be airborne to be a serious threat. the BS with which our dear leaders are responding to this makes you almost think it's intentional.

Unless the doorknob was vomited on, ejaculated on, or bled on, and a person touched it with a untreated and unbandaged laceration, it won't spread. Ebola can not spread during it's incubation period.


I hate to rain on a good panic parade, but, contrary to the thread title, this is NOT the first US case of ebola. This is just another case of someone contracting ebola in Africa. It may lead to the first US case of ebola, but this ain't it.

Yep.

[Nirvikalpa]

Seeing that they sent the guy home on the 26th even though he showed symptoms makes me think they wanted more people infected. But I'm a conspiracy nut so .....

It's unfortunately the American/Allopathic "way" to diagnose and treat most medical ailments. 10 minute sit down with a doctor, and a prescription given at the end. Even for viral infections, of which antibiotics are of no use... which contributes heavily to the issue of antibiotic-resistant bacteria.

[XNavyNuke]

Unless the doorknob was vomited on, ejaculated on, or bled on, and a person touched it with a untreated and unbandaged laceration, it won't spread. Ebola can not spread during it's incubation period.

Thank goodness! Otherwise medical professionals would be saying health workers need optimal respiratory protection for Ebola. (http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/09/commentary-health-workers-need-optimal-respiratory-protection-ebola)

XNN

[Edward777]

No need to worry -- Obama says we are all safe. We are supposed to be afraid of libertarians and Russians.

[cajuncocoa]

No need to worry -- Obama says we are all safe. We are supposed to be afraid of libertarians and Russians.
You forgot about ISIS. Never forget about ISIS.

[tangent4ronpaul]

I hate to rain on a good panic parade, but, contrary to the thread title, this is NOT the first US case of ebola. This is just another case of someone contracting ebola in Africa. It may lead to the first US case of ebola, but this ain't it.

It is the first WILD case of Ebola. The others were brought in under controlled conditions.

-t

[cajuncocoa]

Ambulance 37 which transported him to the hospital has been cordoned off. There are concerns after it was used to move patients for two days after the Ebola patient but hospital officials have reassured citizens that it was properly sterilized.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/10/no_author/who-else-did-he-infect/

then why "cordon it off" now? And what is "proper sterilization" for Ebola contamination?

[Carlybee]

Thank goodness! Otherwise medical professionals would be saying health workers need optimal respiratory protection for Ebola. (http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/09/commentary-health-workers-need-optimal-respiratory-protection-ebola)

XNN


My husband is an expediter for a major hospital here and he just got an order for "extra" masks.

[Carlybee]

right...like all the people on the plane, the airport personnel, the people stateside, the people who first saw him and then discharged him with a perscription for anitbiotics, the people who were in line with him waiting to fill the perscription, all the door knobs he touched, etc., etc.

it doesn't have to be airborne to be a serious threat. the BS with which our dear leaders are responding to this makes you almost think it's intentional.

I'm sure it was intentional. I guess bird flu didn't freak everyone out well enough.

[GunnyFreedom]

It doesn't take a scientist to determine that we are at risk for an Ebola infection in the US, when the US hangs a neon sign on the front door soliciting Ebola victims to come to the US and run around for a while.

[donnay]

Seeing that they sent the guy home on the 26th even though he showed symptoms makes me think they wanted more people infected. But I'm a conspiracy nut so .....


At the press conference they are holding right now (in Dallas) the spokesmen for the Texas Health Institute said they have been training for Ebola for a long time. Yet this man came in and they sent him home with antibiotics.

Yeah I know I feel safe. SMDH.

[cajuncocoa]

DALLAS (AP) -- Texas Gov. Rick Perry says a handful of school-aged children who had contact with a man diagnosed with Ebola are being monitored.

More:http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_EBOLA_CHILDREN_MONITORED?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-10-01-13-20-13

[Keith and stuff]

I'm glad I'm more than 1,500 miles away from Dallas!

[Dr.3D]

I'm glad I'm more than 1,500 miles away from Dallas!
I'm sure people are regularly flying in and out of the airport, so it's not like Ebola can't spread all over the country. Ebola has wings.

[cajuncocoa]

I'm sure people are regularly flying in and out of the airport, so it's not like Ebola can't spread all over the country. Ebola has wings.
I wonder how many people from my area attended the Saints/Cowboys game in Dallas Sunday night? Probably no more than maybe 10,000 or 20,000 right?

I've got nothing to worry about.

[JK/SEA]

so, this is how it all ends....damn....anti-climatic if you ask me. I was almost positive a large CME or GRB would take us out...but a silly virus?...

oh well..

GO SEAHAWKS.

[donnay]

I'm glad I'm more than 1,500 miles away from Dallas!


There are no direct flights into Dallas from Liberia.

[ghengis86]

There are no direct flights into Dallas from Liberia.

I believe there were two to three stops (Heathrow, Brussels, ??). Another guy that came from Brussels is under observation, suspicion. plus, 5 children in four schools under observation.

just fucking great. i've got a colleague coming home from Mexico via....Dallas! this should be good....

[donnay]

I believe there were two to three stops (Heathrow, Brussels, ??). Another guy that came from Brussels is under observation, suspicion. plus, 5 children in four schools under observation.

just fucking great. i've got a colleague coming home from Mexico via....Dallas! this should be good....

My sister was in this hospital two weeks ago. She has to see doctors at Presby. Dallas every two weeks since released from hospital. I told her she needs to stay away. Her immune system has been compromised due to a month long use of antibiotics. I hope and pray she takes heed.

[Carlybee]

My sister was in this hospital two weeks ago. She has to see doctors at Presby. Dallas every two weeks since released from hospital. I told her she needs to stay away. Her immune system has been compromised due to a month long use of antibiotics. I hope and pray she takes heed.


Get her on some probiotics. I ordered some Del Immune V.

[cajuncocoa]

so, this is how it all ends....damn....anti-climatic if you ask me. I was almost positive a large CME or GRB would take us out...but a silly virus?...

oh well..

GO SEAHAWKS.
Be positive. Everyone won't die. Only about... well, maybe 70 or 80% of us. Maybe you'll be lucky.

Go Cowboys!

[JK/SEA]

Be positive. Everyone won't die. Only about... well, maybe 70 or 80% of us. Maybe you'll be lucky.

Go Cowboys!

hmmm...i'm thinking about canceling my trip to Mexico in December....my daughter is getting married in Cancun.....my anxiety levels are going through the roof today.

[donnay]

Get her on some probiotics. I ordered some Del Immune V.

Yes! She finally started taking some probiotics (One Billion Organisms - Acidophius and Bifidum) last week. I had been on her even when she was in the hospital to get someone to get her some probiotics. The doctor and nurses kept on telling her that probiotics would cancel-out the antibiotics. :mad: It was extremely frustrating! She is also taking D3 (10,000 IU) now, too.


ETA:

Just got off the phone with her and she has a scheduled procedure Monday at this hospital. I asked her if there was any way she could change the venue. She said no, and was assured by the officials she has nothing to worry about they have the Ebola patient contained. :rolleyes: :eek:

[GunnyFreedom]

Be positive. Everyone won't die. Only about... well, maybe 70 or 80% of us. Maybe you'll be lucky.

Go Cowboys!

Yeah, but the few who are left are going to be gathered into a "good" and a "bad" group, and the "good" group will be forced to go and confront the "bad" group, whereupon some crazy pyro who was with the "bad" group (but still unclear whether the pyro is really 'good' or 'bad' himself) will roll up with a nuclear bomb that will subsequently detonate and wipe out the "bad" group.

Being the 20% who survive the superfever is only the beginning of the struggle...

[Anti Federalist]

Yeah, but the few who are left are going to be gathered into a "good" and a "bad" group, and the "good" group will be forced to go and confront the "bad" group, whereupon some crazy pyro who was with the "bad" group (but still unclear whether the pyro is really 'good' or 'bad' himself) will roll up with a nuclear bomb that will subsequently detonate and wipe out the "bad" group.

Being the 20% who survive the superfever is only the beginning of the struggle...

Baby, can you dig your man...?

[cajuncocoa]

hmmm...i'm thinking about canceling my trip to Mexico in December....my daughter is getting married in Cancun.....my anxiety levels are going through the roof today.
Practice some anxiety relieving meditations (I'm not joking). I hope you won't have to cancel your trip. Wait and see what happens in a few weeks.

[Acala]

Going to go out on a limb here, and maybe some of you will be able to say "I told you so", but a year from now this will be long forgotten.

[cajuncocoa]

Going to go out on a limb here, and maybe some of you will be able to say "I told you so", but a year from now this will be long forgotten.
I'm going to repeat what I said early on in this thread. I predict it will be something like the anthrax "scare" of 2001. We're in the fear-mongering phase right now where no one knows what to expect. In the end, we have long-forgotten the anthrax scare (except for conspiracy loons like me) but we haven't forgotten the civil liberties that whole mess took away...and some people did lose their lives over being exposed to anthrax.

This will be similar. Enough people will die to cause Boobus to say "take my rights, please. I don't need 'em."

[donnay]

I'm going to repeat what I said early on in this thread. I predict it will be something like the anthrax "scare" of 2001. We're in the fear-mongering phase right now where no one knows what to expect. In the end, we have long-forgotten the anthrax scare (except for conspiracy loons like me) but we haven't forgotten the civil liberties that whole mess took away...and some people did lose their lives over being exposed to anthrax.

This will be similar. Enough people will die to cause Boobus to say "take my rights, please. I don't need 'em."

I totally agree.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to cajuncocoa again."

[moostraks]

OFFICIAL: 5 KIDS HAD CONTACT WITH EBOLA PATIENT
Authorities say five students who had contact with a man diagnosed with Ebola in Dallas are being monitored but are showing no symptoms of the disease.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_EBOLA_CHILDREN_MONITORED?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-10-01-13-20-13

[Carlybee]

Yes! She finally started taking some probiotics (One Billion Organisms - Acidophius and Bifidum) last week. I had been on her even when she was in the hospital to get someone to get her some probiotics. The doctor and nurses kept on telling her that probiotics would cancel-out the antibiotics. :mad: It was extremely frustrating! She is also taking D3 (10,000 IU) now, too.


ETA:

Just got off the phone with her and she has a scheduled procedure Monday at this hospital. I asked her if there was any way she could change the venue. She said no, and was assured by the officials she has nothing to worry about they have the Ebola patient contained. :rolleyes: :eek:

Ugh. Call me a germophobe. When my son had brain surgery I was so worried about MRSA, I sanitized the
ICU, his IV lines, his bed railings, the door knobs....daily. I asked everyone to wash their hands. He didn't get it lol.

[Anti Federalist]

I'm going to repeat what I said early on in this thread. I predict it will be something like the anthrax "scare" of 2001. We're in the fear-mongering phase right now where no one knows what to expect. In the end, we have long-forgotten the anthrax scare (except for conspiracy loons like me) but we haven't forgotten the civil liberties that whole mess took away...and some people did lose their lives over being exposed to anthrax.

This will be similar. Enough people will die to cause Boobus to say "take my rights, please. I don't need 'em."

And let's never forget that the source of said anthrax was the US Government's USAMRIID lab at Ft. Detrick.

[Carlybee]

I'm going to repeat what I said early on in this thread. I predict it will be something like the anthrax "scare" of 2001. We're in the fear-mongering phase right now where no one knows what to expect. In the end, we have long-forgotten the anthrax scare (except for conspiracy loons like me) but we haven't forgotten the civil liberties that whole mess took away...and some people did lose their lives over being exposed to anthrax.

This will be similar. Enough people will die to cause Boobus to say "take my rights, please. I don't need 'em."


They've isolated the ambulance drivers and one of his associates. Not sure if that means imprisoned..but yeah.

[Nirvikalpa]

Thank goodness! Otherwise medical professionals would be saying health workers need optimal respiratory protection for Ebola. (http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/09/commentary-health-workers-need-optimal-respiratory-protection-ebola)

XNN

From one of the sources (http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(14)61343-X/fulltext) that was used in the paper you linked to:


This transmission occurs via close family contact or in health-care settings, particularly when placing orotracheal intubation or when caring for a patient who is vomiting or bleeding. Ebola is rarely transmitted via an airborne route.2 Although these routes of transmission are well known,3, 4 most agencies, including governmental agencies responsible for repatriating western patients, apply infection-control measures appropriate for airborne diseases.

Likewise, the same source states that the most risk involves medical professionals who intubate patients - this isn't about a cough or a sneeze.


We contend that the systematic application of precautionary measures that protect health-care personnel and others from direct contact (ie, gloves and waterproof smocks, goggles, masks, and individual rooms or wards in the hospital) are sufficient to manage most patients (who do not experience haemorrhage or vomiting). In fact, goggles and masks might not even be necessary to speak with conscious patients, as long as a distance of 1—2 metres is maintained (the maximum distance that infectious droplets might reach). Exceptional precautions, such as pressurised suits with oxygen tanks, should be reserved for interventions that generate aerosols (invasive explorations or intubations), specific situations (eg, massive haemorrhage), or in laboratories where the virus is cultivated. They are unnecessary in the settings where the virus is most rampant.

And from a source (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?cmd=Search&term=Sci+Rep%5BJour%5D+AND+4%5BVolume%5D+AND+5824% 5Bpage%5D) that source linked to:


The results support the concept that Ebola virus infection is self-contained in NHPs infected intramuscularly, at least in the present experimental conditions, and is not transmitted to naïve NHPs via an airborne route.

[Anti Federalist]

Likewise, the same source states that the most risk involves medical professionals who intubate patients - this isn't about a cough or a sneeze.

Could it be in a mutation process?

[Carlybee]

From one of the sources (http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(14)61343-X/fulltext) that was used in the paper you linked to:



Likewise, the same source states that the most risk involves medical professionals who intubate patients - this isn't about a cough or a sneeze.



And from a source (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?cmd=Search&term=Sci+Rep%5BJour%5D+AND+4%5BVolume%5D+AND+5824% 5Bpage%5D) that source linked to:


Maybe not a cough or a sneeze but the infected guy in Dallas was supposedly exposed when he helped carry an Ebola patient, so how did he get her bodily fluids? Open sore?

[Carlybee]

http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/01/us-visas-held-by-13500-people-in-three-ebola-countries/


Visas to visit here held by 13,500 people from 3 Ebola countries

[Brian4Liberty]

At the press conference they are holding right now (in Dallas) the spokesmen for the Texas Health Institute said they have been training for Ebola for a long time. Yet this man came in and they sent him home with antibiotics.

Yeah I know I feel safe. SMDH.

"We've done a lot of training. We have practiced every scenario. We have brought in the best people available. We will win." - Says every NFL team before the season starts.

[Carlybee]

Kind of makes you wonder if other people here have died from it but were diagnosed as something else if they died before the bleeding out started. I would've thought it would have hit NY before Dallas.

[Nirvikalpa]

Kind of makes you wonder if other people here have died from it but were diagnosed as something else if they died before the bleeding out started. I would've thought it would have hit NY before Dallas.

The metro area of NYC hasn't been free of "scares," let me tell you.

[cajuncocoa]

Dallas parents fearing Ebola remove children from school (http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/10/01/6165611/officials-say-only-one-ebola-case.html?rh=1)

[cajuncocoa]

Outside the Apartment of 1st Person Diagnosed With Ebola in US (http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/apartment-1st-person-diagnosed-ebola-us-25902129?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

Family of sickened man is not allowed to leave building even to go to work or school.

[JK/SEA]

get some fake blood and walk around a mall with it running out your nose.....fun times.

just kidding.

[cajuncocoa]

http://s29.postimg.org/v0xevj8iv/Dallas_Ebola.png

[Nirvikalpa]

I am hopeful that the EMTs were extremely cautious... now if they didn't follow proper PPE protocols, that would be bad... especially if they are still working (and potentially getting close to other patient's bodily fluids).

-----

And SMFH, I hope someone gets fired for thinking he had a "low-grade viral infection," and giving him antibiotics.

[cajuncocoa]

I am hopeful that the EMTs were extremely cautious... now if they didn't follow proper PPE protocols, that would be bad... especially if they are still working (and potentially getting close to other patient's bodily fluids).

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And SMFH, I hope someone gets fired for thinking he had a "low-grade viral infection," and giving him antibiotics.
What about the people who treated him when he went in on 9/26? By that time he'd already shown symptoms for two days.

[Carlybee]

What about the people who treated him when he went in on 9/26? By that time he'd already shown symptoms for two days.

And they obviously didn't think it was Ebola so what protocols did they follow?

[ghengis86]

And they obviously didn't think it was Ebola so what protocols did they follow?

Probably the same thing they do when they have a patient present 'flu-like" symptoms; Make physical contact (check glands, lymph nodes, breathing, abdomen, etc), take temperature (hopefully infared?!), then write him a 'scrip. Maybe wash hands before leaving the room? I'd guess that's about it!

[Nirvikalpa]

The EMTs are off and staying home, apparently. "At least" 3 EMTs. What squads have more than 3 to an ambulance? 2 is standard. 3 is including a probationary member...

[Carson]

"Frieden did state with emphasis that Ebola DOES NOT spread from someone who is not infectious. “It does not spread from someone who doesn’t have fever and other symptoms,” he said. “So, it’s only someone who is sick with Ebola who can spread the disease.”"

I lost track of how many places blood was sent to test and retest in this article alone. I suspect it may travel faster here than in the backwoods of Africa.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/01/cdc-confirms-patient-in-dallas-has-ebola-virus/


The article was from Fark.com the other day. Here is a link to the comment section there;

http://www.fark.com/comments/8434433

[brandon]

So when the government and media tells us all to worry about global pandemics such as bird flu, it's a conspiracy and there is nothing to worry about. However, when they say the ebola risk is low and not to worry, it's also a conpsiracy and we all will die from ebola shortly. Got it.

[TheTexan]

So when the government and media tells us all to worry about global pandemics such as bird flu, it's a conspiracy and there is nothing to worry about. However, when they say the ebola risk is low and not to worry, it's also a conpsiracy and we all will die from ebola shortly. Got it.

Correct. I don't know about you, but I'm in panic mode until Obama himself makes a news conference telling us there's no reason to panic.

[alucard13mm]

I am waiting for someone to do an Ebola prank on youtube......

[Anti Federalist]

So when the government and media tells us all to worry about global pandemics such as bird flu, it's a conspiracy and there is nothing to worry about. However, when they say the ebola risk is low and not to worry, it's also a conpsiracy and we all will die from ebola shortly. Got it.

Look, it's really very simple:

Whatever government says: do, and think and respond, in the exact opposite manner.

Government tells you that an Ebola pandemic is nothing to worry about and not plausible?

Start prepping for the zombie apocalypse.

[PaulConventionWV]

You are a mean, terrible person if you in any way suggest that a person should not be able to come into the US after exposure to Ebola. You are twice as mean if that person is a non-citizen (the CDC doctor today refused to answer a question about the citizenship of the Ebola patient). You are triple mean if that person is coming from an impoverished nation. You are quadruple mean (and a racist) if that nation has a majority of people who are ordained as a minority in the United States.

Now if that person were coming from, say, Russia or Iran, then a quarantine on that entire nation would be in order, along with sanctions and a possible dropping of fire bombs for sterilization and decontamination.

This is news to me. I've never witnessed this kind of attitude toward quarantining those afflicted with Ebola. Having earned my degree in political science, it seems a bit strange to me that I don't know what you're talking about.

[donnay]

United Airlines scrambles to alert HUNDREDS of passengers who came in contract with Ebola patient as it is revealed he entered U.S. at Washington Dulles before flying to Dallas

By Michael Zennie

1 October 2014

Thomas Eric Duncan flew from Liberia to Brussels, then boarded United Airlines Flight 951 to Washington Dulles International Airport
From Dulles, he flew on United Flight 822 to Dallas/Fort Worth
U.S. officials had refused to release Duncan's flight details, but United Airlines chose to make his itinerary public
Health officials claim there is no risk to Duncan's fellow passengers


United Airlines is scrambling to alert the hundreds of passengers who shared twi planes with the first Ebola patient on U.S. soil.

Thomas Eric Duncan, a Liberian national, arrived in the U.S. at Washington Dulles International Airport on United Flight 951 on September 20, the airline revealed today.

He then boarded United Flight 822 to Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport.

U.S. officials had previously refused to provide details of his itinerary, claiming none of his fellow passengers were at risk because he was not showing symptoms at that time.


Continued... (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2776786/U-S-airlines-contact-government-Ebola-concerns.html)

[pcosmar]

80 people being monitored.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-02/dallas-parents-worried-over-ebola-exposure-at-schools.html

Ebola victim left Africa after direct contact with the virus

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20141001-ebola-victim-left-africa-after-direct-contact-with-the-virus.ece


Dallas Ebola patient 'throwing up all over the place' on way to hospital
http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/health/chi-ebola-patient-america-20141002-story.html#page=1

[pcosmar]

Thank goodness! Otherwise medical professionals would be saying health workers need optimal respiratory protection for Ebola. (http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/09/commentary-health-workers-need-optimal-respiratory-protection-ebola)

XNN

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/ebola/11135883/Ebola-could-become-airborne-United-Nations-warns-of-nightmare-scenario-as-virus-spreads-to-the-US.html

The longer it moves around in human hosts in the virulent melting pot that is West Africa, the more chances increase that it could mutate,” he told the Telegraph. “It is a nightmare scenario [that it could become airborne], and unlikely, but it can’t be ruled out.”

He admitted that the international community had been “a bit late” to respond to the epidemic, but that it was “not too late” and that aid workers needed to “hit [Ebola] hard” to rein in the deadly disease.

Not all that unlikely. I am sure folks have been working on creating just this sort of weapon.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/12/health/ebola-airborne/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/09/15/will-the-ebola-virus-go-airborne-and-is-that-even-the-right-question/

[Carlybee]

Now they'll need that biometric implant to track people

[Carlybee]

80 people being monitored.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-02/dallas-parents-worried-over-ebola-exposure-at-schools.html

Ebola victim left Africa after direct contact with the virus

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20141001-ebola-victim-left-africa-after-direct-contact-with-the-virus.ece


Dallas Ebola patient 'throwing up all over the place' on way to hospital
http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/health/chi-ebola-patient-america-20141002-story.html#page=1


He knew he was exposed. He knew staying over there was certain death.

[Lucille]

American Ebola News Wrap: Up To 100 Potential Cases In Texas, 1 In Hawaii
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-02/american-ebola-news-wrap-80-potential-cases-texas-1-hawaii


UPDATE: TEXAS HEALTH OFFICIALS INCREASE NUMBER OF POSSIBLE CONTACTS OF EBOLA VICTIM TO 100

Despite promises by all asunder that any Ebola epidemic in America will be "contained" the dreadful news this morning appears to confirm this is not the case. From one patient, Eric Duncan, just 2 days ago, to 4 schools and 18 people yesterday (according to Texas Governor Rick Perry) to today where NBC News has confirmed with the Dallas county health and human services that 80 people came into contact with the Dallas Ebola patient or his family (including 12-18 direct). The ambulance workers are also under close watch after Duncan vomited on the ground outside an apartment complex as he was bundled into an ambulance. In addition, CBS is reporting one possible Ebola patient in isolation in Hawaii. Contained? Perhaps it is time to rethink the ethics of disease control once again.

Rand Paul: Obama "Underplaying" Ebola
http://reason.com/24-7/2014/10/02/rand-paul-obama-underplaying-ebola


Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) accused the Obama administration of “underplaying” the threat of Ebola after it was identified in the U.S.

In an interview with the Laura Ingraham Show on Wednesday, Paul said the administration was failing to adequately warn the public about the disease because health officials insisted on maintaining “political correctness.”

“I am concerned about it and it’s a big mistake to downplay it and act as if it’s not a big deal... this could get beyond our control,” Paul said.

Paul said because the issue of Ebola is being “dominated by political correctness, we’re not really making sound, rational, scientific decisions.”

A Liberian man was diagnosed with Ebola in a Dallas hospital on Tuesday, marking the first case of Ebola outside of Africa. The man was potentially in contact with as many as 80 people between his arrival in Texas and his diagnosis.

Paul said the U.S. should pursue a more aggressive approach to protecting its borders.

He questioned Obama’s decision to send 3,000 soldiers to West Africa to help contain the disease, warning that they could become infected. He also took issue with the U.S. playing host to dozens of African leaders for a conference last month, suggesting it could have transmitted the disease.

"Wouldn’t it make sense to delay it for four months and not have them all come to New York City?" Paul said.

White House: No Travel Restrictions for Ebola, Chances of Outbreak Very Low
http://reason.com/24-7/2014/10/02/white-house-no-travel-restrictions-for-e


The White House said Wednesday it will not impose travel restrictions or introduce new airport screenings to prevent additional cases of Ebola from entering the United States.

Spokesman Josh Earnest said that current anti-Ebola measures, which include screenings in West African airports and observation of passengers in the United States, will be sufficient to prevent the “wide spread” of the virus.

SMH

[presence]

five children who attend four different Dallas-area schools.

Officials emphasize that the kids have not shown any symptoms of Ebola and they believe the student population is safe.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ebola-in-dallas-list-of-those-connected-to-patient-thomas-eric-duncan-grows/

[Lucille]

My kid has the best timing. He was in Seattle for Fukushima, and he's on his way to Texas for 6 months just in time for Ebola.

[jbauer]

Isn't counting "potential" ebola cases kinda like counting delegates that never were going to exist for Ron in Tampa? This whole thing is just a big distraction from the real problems going on here.


American Ebola News Wrap: Up To 100 Potential Cases In Texas, 1 In Hawaii

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-02/american-ebola-news-wrap-80-potential-cases-texas-1-hawaii


SMH

[Brian4Liberty]

He knew he was exposed. He knew staying over there was certain death.

Yep.


If you're exposed, your best bet is to immediately jump on a jet to the US where you will get first class medical treatment.

[donnay]

Dallas Ebola patient vomited outside apartment on way to hospital

By Lisa Maria Garza

Two days after he was sent home from a Dallas hospital, the man who is the first person to be diagnosed with Ebola in the United States was seen vomiting on the ground outside an apartment complex as he was bundled into an ambulance.

The Dallas Ebola case, involving a man who flew back to the United States last month from Liberia, has prompted national concern over the potential for a wider spread of the deadly virus from West Africa, where at least 3,338 people have died in the worst outbreak on record.

U.S. health officials have said the country's healthcare system is well prepared to contain any spread of Ebola through careful tracking of people who had contact with the patient and appropriate care for those admitted to hospital.

"His whole family was screaming. He got outside and he was throwing up all over the place," resident Mesud Osmanovic, 21, said on Wednesday, describing the chaotic scene before the man was admitted to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital on Sunday where he is in serious condition.

Continued... (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/02/us-health-ebola-usa-idUSKCN0HP2F720141002)

[William Tell]

I'm glad I'm more than 1,500 miles away from Dallas!

More pro New Hampshire propaganda:rolleyes:

[Carlybee]

(NaturalNews) Efforts to bring natural Ebola treatments to suffering West Africans have been squelched by the World Health Organization (WHO), which recently blocked multiple shipments of nanosilver solution measuring at 10 parts per million (ppm) from entering the region, leaving thousands to suffer needlessly.

WHO officials also reportedly called off a trial at an Ebola isolation ward where local health authorities were set to begin administering the silver, which the U.S. government previously demonstrated is highly effective against Ebola. WHO ordered the trial not to proceed despite the fact that it had earlier voiced support for experimental treatments.

Both WHO and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have given their blessing to experimental therapies for Ebola, citing a lack of proven treatment options. But when it comes to using therapeutic silver, all bets are off, it seems.

Authorities block small shipment of nanosilver three times

According to the Natural Solutions Foundation (NSF), efforts to ship nanosilver into Sierra Leone have thus far failed. The organization has been trying to deliver a shipment of 200 bottles of nanosilver 10 ppm, and 100 tubes of nanosilver gel, to no avail. At this point, the shipment has been returned to the U.S. for the third time.

"That parcel, shipped Air Express at a cost of $3400 to Sierra Leone on August 20, never made it out of Paris," reads an NSF action alert. "Air France has yet to find a reason for that. But it made its way back to the US again, apparently for the 3rd time without being delivered to Africa."

People are dying, and bureaucrats are still playing politics with silver

Formerly classified documents obtained from the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) reveal that antimicrobial silver solutions like the kind NSF is trying to deliver to Africa have proven benefits in fighting Ebola and other forms of hemorrhagic fever. Research conducted by the DOD and several other federal agencies back in 2008 confirmed this, though health regulators largely ignored it.

A presentation entitled "Silver Nanoparticles Neutralize Hemorrhagic Fever Viruses," which revealed exactly what its name suggests, was buried and kept secret for years. In essence, investigators determined that simple silver solutions neutralize viruses like Arenavirus and Filovirus, both of which are related to Ebola.

Interestingly, the research was conducted with the backing of the DOD's Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) and the U.S. Strategic Command Center for Combating Weapons of Mass Destruction. The presentation was given by researchers from the Applied Biotechnology Branch, 711th Human Performance Wing of the Air Force Research Laboratory.

But not a single mainstream media outlet reported on the presentation, and to this day its findings have been largely ignored by establishment health authorities. Sadly, this political quagmire -- nanosilver is an obvious threat to pharmaceutical interests, and thus is being marginalized -- is resulting in thousands of needless deaths in West Africa with no end in sight.

Contact your representatives and demand that nanosilver be used in Africa

NSF is calling on 10 million people to write their representatives and demand that clinical trials be conducted on nanosilver in Africa. The group says doctors and nurses need nanosilver to protect themselves, and patients need it to overcome the disease. Recommended dosages for each application are available at the following link; at the bottom of this page, you can also contact your representatives by inputting your zip code.



Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/047101_Ebola_colloidal_silver_government_seizure.h tml#ixzz3F0QGxC98

[cajuncocoa]

UN Ebola chief raises 'nightmare' prospect that virus could mutate and become airborne if it is not quickly brought under control
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2778022/UN-Ebola-chief-raises-nightmare-prospect-virus-mutate-airborne.html#ixzz3F0VamSOz



Conspiracy theory alert: The virus was purposely brought here and will be allowed to spread just enough so that we will demand that our tax dollars are spent helping victims of Ebola in West Africa.

[GunnyFreedom]

Conspiracy theory alert: The virus was purposely brought here and will be allowed to spread just enough so that we will demand that our tax dollars are spent helping victims of Ebola in West Africa.

Wouldn't surprise me. It's almost like they are doing everything in their power to bring ebola to the US. Kinda makes me wonder why anyone would do that.

[GunnyFreedom]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/ebola/11135883/Ebola-could-become-airborne-United-Nations-warns-of-nightmare-scenario-as-virus-spreads-to-the-US.html


Not all that unlikely. I am sure folks have been working on creating just this sort of weapon.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/12/health/ebola-airborne/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/09/15/will-the-ebola-virus-go-airborne-and-is-that-even-the-right-question/

It's already mutated and went airborne. 25 years ago, in monkeys. In Reston, VA. Fortunately, it was not pathogenic in humans, but unlike what some armchair virologists claim (that it is impossible for ebola to mutate and become airborne because it's the wrong kind of virus) that proves that it can mutate and become properly airborne.

There is nothing about ebola that is a threat to the US, yet. But, we keep mucking about like this and that could change in a hurry.

I'm just waiting for one of these 5000 soldiers we sent to go fight a war against a virus to pick up a mutated version that takes a month to incubate, spreads when they are not symptomatic, and transmits via air. THAT'S when I break out the plastic and duct tape and start screaming "the sky is falling!"

[Carlybee]

Do we need to chip in on a bunker?

[GunnyFreedom]

Do we need to chip in on a bunker?

I'm still hoping that CDC and USAMRIID stop helping the virus, or I wouldn't keep screaming about what they are doing wrong. :(

[fr33]

Do we need to chip in on a bunker?

Nah FEMA camps are free.

[Dr.3D]

Nah FEMA camps are free.
Yeah, but I understand they are like the Hotel California when it comes to checking out.

[navy-vet]

Just heard, that the ebola patient in Texas, will face maximum prosecution by the law if he survives, which appears to be doubtful, for lying to the authorities when coming through the ebola screen.
His family is also under threat of arrest if they leave their residence, as they are under quarantine. We will see how that works out...
So much for the honor system :(

[navy-vet]

Yeah, but I understand they are like the Hotel California when it comes to checking out.
lol

[Anti Federalist]

Just heard, that the ebola patient in Texas, will face maximum prosecution by the law if he survives, which appears to be doubtful, for lying to the authorities when coming through the ebola screen.
His family is also under threat of arrest if they leave their residence, as they are under quarantine. We will see how that works out...
So much for the honor system :(

Somehow or another we'll all lose some more freedom because of this.

[navy-vet]

Somehow or another we'll all lose some more freedom because of this.
never let a good crisis go to waste....

[HOLLYWOOD]

Good thing FEMA and Washington DC spent taxpayer money on those 100,000s, 3 body, plastic coffins with sealing tops.

Whewwww... :rolleyes:

[jbauer]

Yeah, but I understand they are like the Hotel California when it comes to checking out.

Hotel California is a little less restrictive. FEMA will require: Your soul, your entire families soul, your dog/pets and everyone that you've ever actually or might have communicated with.

[libertygrl]

LET US BE SENSIBLE ABOUT EBOLA
Ebola is, of course, extremely frightening. It is like some disease physically transported to planet earth by aliens from outer space.

The television images enforce this eerie feeling. Human figures totally encased in macabre protective gear walk about hospitals attending to emaciated and miserable-looking people who, we assume, will soon become corpses.

The association of Ebola with death is unmitigated, and is constantly reinforced by newer versions of the unrelenting barrage of frightening TV images.

What to do? The first thing is to REALLY UNDERSTAND what Ebola is, and the risks it poses – or does NOT POSE – to us.

Now, we can take it for granted that the Americans and their Western partners have more information about, and do understand the outbreak, of Ebola in four West African countries – Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Nigeria – better than most other countries. So what they are telling their citizens in those countries is extremely relevant to everyone.

An American embassies in West Africa is quoted as telling US citizens this:

QUOTE “In order to help our Embassy Community better understand some of the key points about the Ebola virus, we have consulted with our medical specialists at the US State Department and assembled this list of bullet points worded in plain language for easy comprehension. Our medical specialists remind everyone that they should be following the guidelines from the Centre for Disease Control and the World Health Organization.

• The suspected reservoirs for Ebola are fruit bats.

• Transmission to humans is thought to originate from infected bats or primates that have become infected by bats.

• Undercooked infected bat and primate (bush) meat transmits the virus to humans.

• Human to human transmission is only achieved by physical contact with a person who is acutely and gravely ill from the Ebola virus, or their body fluids.

• Transmission among humans is almost exclusively among caregiver family members or health care workers tending the very ill.

• The virus is easily killed by contact with soap, bleach, sunlight, or drying. A washing machine will kill the virus [even] in clothing saturated with infected body fluids.

• A person can incubate the virus without symptoms for 2-21 days, the average being 5-8 days, before becoming. ill THEY ARE NOT CONTAGIOUS until they are acutely ill.

• Only when [a person becomes ] ill does the viral load express itself, first in the blood and then in other bodily fluids [including] vomit, faeces, urine, breast milk, semen and sweat.

• If you are walking around, you are not infectious to others.

• There are documented cases from Kikwit, Democratic Republic of Congo of an Ebola outbreak in a village that had the custom of children never touching an ill adult. Children living for days in small, one room huts with parents who died from Ebola, did not become infected. [Because they obeyed the local custom and did not touch the ill adults]

• You cannot contract Ebola by handling money, buying local bread or swimming in a pool.

• There is no medical reason to stop flights, close borders, restrict travel or close embassies, businesses or schools.

• As always, practise good hand-washing techniques and good hygiene.

You will not contract Ebola if you do not touch a a person dying from Ebola. UNQUOTE

The US Department of State must be congratulated on bringing such clarity and calm into a situation in which PANIC has arisen, not only in West Africa, but in countries to which flights depart from West Africa. Of course, any disease that kills those who are trying to use scientific best-practice to cure it must be feared – like the proverbial plague.

But acting out of ignorance of the true nature of the outbreak, or going overboard with declarations of a state of emergency, or implementing other excessively coercive measures, just because some Governments rightly have a guilty conscience over their ever-present neglect of their health sector, especially with regard to sanitation and public health generally, is unwise and dangerous.

I believe that in some parts of Liberia, the army has been deployed to prevent people from the rural areas – whether they are healthy or sick – from travelling out of their areas. Does the Government of Liberia realise that this will probably result in starving the urban areas, since most of the food the town-dwellers eat comes from the rural areas?

Secondly, does the Liberian Government realise that it will cost more to deploy troops in the rural areas and maintain them there, than in buying specially equipped ambulances to carry Ebola patients to specially-equipped mobile or makeshift health centres created on an emergency basis (with the help of the Red Cross, the Red Crescent and donor Governments)?

A practical, efficacious well-thought-out plan would serve the Liberian citizenry better than panic measures. Already riots have occurred in parts of Liberia, which should tell the Government to rethink its approach.

The Governments of Sierra Leone and Guinea would also do well to tone down the panic among their populations, whilst doing everything in their power to bring relief to the afflicted. They should remember that good psychological practices can improve the chances of survival, even among stricken communities. For instance, it has been reported that out of fear, some communities are leaving dead bodies unburied. Now, such actions can only make matters much worse, for not burying bodies does carry a risk of spreading disease, period. If this happens with Ebola-stricken corpses then serious trouble is being courted.

Nigeria, too, ought to be extremely careful in how it tackles Ebola. This is because it has some of the most crowded cities and towns in the world and any widespread panic in them could create more deaths than the disease itself. Thankfully, at the time of writing, there had been only 2 deaths and less than 20 cases, out of a population of 170 million.

Now, President Goodluck Jonathan has a history of reacting slowly to events (especially those relating to Boko Haram). But he should tread carefully on such a complicated public health issue as the Ebola case. Perhaps, it would have been more prudent of him to announce merely that $11m was being made available to beef up the health services to fight Ebola, rather than using the word “emergency”. He should know that the offer by sham Nigerian evangelists of ”blessed water” to the afflicted not helping the situation.

On the scientific front, however, there is quite encouraging news. The multi-national pharmaceutical giant, GlaxoSmithKline, is said to be ready to start trials on an Ebola drug as early as September 2014. And the World Health Organisation (WHO) has predicted that an Ebola vaccine should be available for public use by 2015.

“I think it’s realistic” [to see the emergence of a vaccine] Marie-Paule Kieny, Assistant Director General of the WHO told the French news agency, AFP, on 10 August 2014. Clinical trials will get underway in the next few months.

(There is currently no vaccine or cure for Ebola.)
900 people are known to have died from it since its outbreak in West Africa in March. That means an average of 180 people have died from the disease per month – far less than die from malaria or tuberculosis each month.

GlaxoSmithKline initially started its own development of the vaccine in May 2013. The company says: “We are working with the US National Institutes of Health’s Vaccine Research Centre (VRC) to advance development of an early stage vaccine candidate for Ebola..... In collaboration with VRC, we have evaluated this vaccine candidate in pre-clinical studies and we are now discussing with regulators, [how to advance] it to a Phase I clinical trial programme later this year” [2014].

The latest developments come as two US aid workers infected with the deadly virus appear to be responding well to an experimental treatment that had previously only been tested on monkeys. Dr Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol, who were flown home to the US in a sealed tent within a modified aircraft, were said to be improving, thanks to a serum called ZMapp.

However, the administering of the drug to the Americans has puzzled health authorities in West Africa as it had not been offered to them too to try on patients.

Three of Britain’s leading Ebola experts have expressed the opinion that some of the few experimental treatments currently under study, should be made available to African governments, too.

The African health authorities should be “allowed to make informed decisions about whether or not to use these products - for example to protect and treat healthcare workers, who run especially high risks of infection,” Peter Piot, who discovered Ebola in 1976, David Heymann, the Director of the Chatham House Centre on Global Health Security and Jeremy Farrar from the Wellcome Trust, said in a joint statement.

Tolbert Nyenswah, Liberia’s Assistant Health Minister, said that the treatment the Americans were receiving had “made our job very difficult” with dying patients and their families in Africa requesting the same drug.

http://moh-ghana.org/otherpages.aspx?id=13

[navy-vet]

LET US BE SENSIBLE ABOUT EBOLA
Ebola is, of course, extremely frightening. It is like some disease physically transported to planet earth by aliens from outer space.

The television images enforce this eerie feeling. Human figures totally encased in macabre protective gear walk about hospitals attending to emaciated and miserable-looking people who, we assume, will soon become corpses.

The association of Ebola with death is unmitigated, and is constantly reinforced by newer versions of the unrelenting barrage of frightening TV images.

What to do? The first thing is to REALLY UNDERSTAND what Ebola is, and the risks it poses – or does NOT POSE – to us.

Now, we can take it for granted that the Americans and their Western partners have more information about, and do understand the outbreak, of Ebola in four West African countries – Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Nigeria – better than most other countries. So what they are telling their citizens in those countries is extremely relevant to everyone.

An American embassies in West Africa is quoted as telling US citizens this:

QUOTE “In order to help our Embassy Community better understand some of the key points about the Ebola virus, we have consulted with our medical specialists at the US State Department and assembled this list of bullet points worded in plain language for easy comprehension. Our medical specialists remind everyone that they should be following the guidelines from the Centre for Disease Control and the World Health Organization.

• The suspected reservoirs for Ebola are fruit bats.

• Transmission to humans is thought to originate from infected bats or primates that have become infected by bats.

• Undercooked infected bat and primate (bush) meat transmits the virus to humans.

• Human to human transmission is only achieved by physical contact with a person who is acutely and gravely ill from the Ebola virus, or their body fluids.

• Transmission among humans is almost exclusively among caregiver family members or health care workers tending the very ill.

• The virus is easily killed by contact with soap, bleach, sunlight, or drying. A washing machine will kill the virus [even] in clothing saturated with infected body fluids.

• A person can incubate the virus without symptoms for 2-21 days, the average being 5-8 days, before becoming. ill THEY ARE NOT CONTAGIOUS until they are acutely ill.

• Only when [a person becomes ] ill does the viral load express itself, first in the blood and then in other bodily fluids [including] vomit, faeces, urine, breast milk, semen and sweat.

• If you are walking around, you are not infectious to others.

• There are documented cases from Kikwit, Democratic Republic of Congo of an Ebola outbreak in a village that had the custom of children never touching an ill adult. Children living for days in small, one room huts with parents who died from Ebola, did not become infected. [Because they obeyed the local custom and did not touch the ill adults]

• You cannot contract Ebola by handling money, buying local bread or swimming in a pool.

• There is no medical reason to stop flights, close borders, restrict travel or close embassies, businesses or schools.

• As always, practise good hand-washing techniques and good hygiene.

You will not contract Ebola if you do not touch a a person dying from Ebola. UNQUOTE

The US Department of State must be congratulated on bringing such clarity and calm into a situation in which PANIC has arisen, not only in West Africa, but in countries to which flights depart from West Africa. Of course, any disease that kills those who are trying to use scientific best-practice to cure it must be feared – like the proverbial plague.

But acting out of ignorance of the true nature of the outbreak, or going overboard with declarations of a state of emergency, or implementing other excessively coercive measures, just because some Governments rightly have a guilty conscience over their ever-present neglect of their health sector, especially with regard to sanitation and public health generally, is unwise and dangerous.

I believe that in some parts of Liberia, the army has been deployed to prevent people from the rural areas – whether they are healthy or sick – from travelling out of their areas. Does the Government of Liberia realise that this will probably result in starving the urban areas, since most of the food the town-dwellers eat comes from the rural areas?

Secondly, does the Liberian Government realise that it will cost more to deploy troops in the rural areas and maintain them there, than in buying specially equipped ambulances to carry Ebola patients to specially-equipped mobile or makeshift health centres created on an emergency basis (with the help of the Red Cross, the Red Crescent and donor Governments)?

A practical, efficacious well-thought-out plan would serve the Liberian citizenry better than panic measures. Already riots have occurred in parts of Liberia, which should tell the Government to rethink its approach.

The Governments of Sierra Leone and Guinea would also do well to tone down the panic among their populations, whilst doing everything in their power to bring relief to the afflicted. They should remember that good psychological practices can improve the chances of survival, even among stricken communities. For instance, it has been reported that out of fear, some communities are leaving dead bodies unburied. Now, such actions can only make matters much worse, for not burying bodies does carry a risk of spreading disease, period. If this happens with Ebola-stricken corpses then serious trouble is being courted.

Nigeria, too, ought to be extremely careful in how it tackles Ebola. This is because it has some of the most crowded cities and towns in the world and any widespread panic in them could create more deaths than the disease itself. Thankfully, at the time of writing, there had been only 2 deaths and less than 20 cases, out of a population of 170 million.

Now, President Goodluck Jonathan has a history of reacting slowly to events (especially those relating to Boko Haram). But he should tread carefully on such a complicated public health issue as the Ebola case. Perhaps, it would have been more prudent of him to announce merely that $11m was being made available to beef up the health services to fight Ebola, rather than using the word “emergency”. He should know that the offer by sham Nigerian evangelists of ”blessed water” to the afflicted not helping the situation.

On the scientific front, however, there is quite encouraging news. The multi-national pharmaceutical giant, GlaxoSmithKline, is said to be ready to start trials on an Ebola drug as early as September 2014. And the World Health Organisation (WHO) has predicted that an Ebola vaccine should be available for public use by 2015.

“I think it’s realistic” [to see the emergence of a vaccine] Marie-Paule Kieny, Assistant Director General of the WHO told the French news agency, AFP, on 10 August 2014. Clinical trials will get underway in the next few months.

(There is currently no vaccine or cure for Ebola.)
900 people are known to have died from it since its outbreak in West Africa in March. That means an average of 180 people have died from the disease per month – far less than die from malaria or tuberculosis each month.

GlaxoSmithKline initially started its own development of the vaccine in May 2013. The company says: “We are working with the US National Institutes of Health’s Vaccine Research Centre (VRC) to advance development of an early stage vaccine candidate for Ebola..... In collaboration with VRC, we have evaluated this vaccine candidate in pre-clinical studies and we are now discussing with regulators, [how to advance] it to a Phase I clinical trial programme later this year” [2014].

The latest developments come as two US aid workers infected with the deadly virus appear to be responding well to an experimental treatment that had previously only been tested on monkeys. Dr Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol, who were flown home to the US in a sealed tent within a modified aircraft, were said to be improving, thanks to a serum called ZMapp.

However, the administering of the drug to the Americans has puzzled health authorities in West Africa as it had not been offered to them too to try on patients.

Three of Britain’s leading Ebola experts have expressed the opinion that some of the few experimental treatments currently under study, should be made available to African governments, too.

The African health authorities should be “allowed to make informed decisions about whether or not to use these products - for example to protect and treat healthcare workers, who run especially high risks of infection,” Peter Piot, who discovered Ebola in 1976, David Heymann, the Director of the Chatham House Centre on Global Health Security and Jeremy Farrar from the Wellcome Trust, said in a joint statement.

Tolbert Nyenswah, Liberia’s Assistant Health Minister, said that the treatment the Americans were receiving had “made our job very difficult” with dying patients and their families in Africa requesting the same drug.

http://moh-ghana.org/otherpages.aspx?id=13
And to think, I was really starting to become concerned....:rolleyes:

[HOLLYWOOD]

Here, the latest analysis: http://currents.plos.org/outbreaks/article/assessing-the-international-spreading-risk-associated-with-the-2014-west-african-ebola-outbreak/


Assessing the International Spreading Risk Associated with the 2014 West African Ebola Outbreak (http://currents.plos.org/outbreaks/article/assessing-the-international-spreading-risk-associated-with-the-2014-west-african-ebola-outbreak/) September 2, 2014 · Research (http://currents.plos.org/outbreaks/article_category/research/)

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Marcelo F. C. Gomes (http://currents.plos.org/outbreaks/author/marfcg/)

Ana Pastore y Piontti (http://currents.plos.org/outbreaks/author/anapastore/)

Luca Rossi (http://currents.plos.org/outbreaks/author/luca-rossi-itgmail-com/)

Dennis Chao (http://currents.plos.org/outbreaks/author/dchaofhcrc-org/)

Ira Longini (http://currents.plos.org/outbreaks/author/ilonginiufl-edu/)

M. Elizabeth Halloran (http://currents.plos.org/outbreaks/author/betzfhcrc-org/)

Alessandro Vespignani (http://currents.plos.org/outbreaks/author/alessandrovespignani/)


Abstract Background: The 2014 West African Ebola Outbreak is so far the largest and deadliest recorded in history. The affected countries, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Liberia, and Nigeria, have been struggling to contain and to mitigate the outbreak. The ongoing rise in confirmed and suspected cases, 2615 as of 20 August 2014, is considered to increase the risk of international dissemination, especially because the epidemic is now affecting cities with major commercial airports.
Method: We use the Global Epidemic and Mobility Model to generate stochastic, individual based simulations of epidemic spread worldwide, yielding, among other measures, the incidence and seeding events at a daily resolution for 3,362 subpopulations in 220 countries. The mobility model integrates daily airline passenger traffic worldwide and the disease model includes the community, hospital, and burial transmission dynamic. We use a multimodel inference approach calibrated on data from 6 July to the date of 9 August 2014. The estimates obtained were used to generate a 3-month ensemble forecast that provides quantitative estimates of the local transmission of Ebola virus disease in West Africa and the probability of international spread if the containment measures are not successful at curtailing the outbreak.
Results: We model the short-term growth rate of the disease in the affected West African countries and estimate the basic reproductive number to be in the range 1.5 − 2.0 (interval at the 1/10 relative likelihood). We simulated the international spreading of the outbreak and provide the estimate for the probability of Ebola virus disease case importation in countries across the world. Results indicate that the short-term (3 and 6 weeks) probability of international spread outside the African region is small, but not negligible. The extension of the outbreak is more likely occurring in African countries, increasing the risk of international dissemination on a longer time scale.

Funding Statement We acknowledge funding from DTRA-1-0910039 and MIDAS-National Institute of General Medical Sciences U01-GM070749. The funders had no role in study design, data collection and analysis, decision to publish, or preparation of the manuscript. Introduction...
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[navy-vet]

No wonder they are panicking over there and killing the health care workers.....

[GunnyFreedom]

DOCTOR Rand Paul:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/01/rand-paul-obama-foolishly-letting-political-correctness-influence-ebola-decisions/

DOCTOR Gil Mobley:

http://conservativebyte.com/2014/10/doctor-cdc-lying-1/

Public Health Agency of Canada:

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/res/psds-ftss/ebola-eng.php

LOL why the sudden is everybody trusting anything this government says like it was gospel, and distrusting what the scientists, doctors, and RAND freaking PAUL are saying? Have you all been replaced with US Government Issue pod-people?? lol

[GunnyFreedom]

No wonder they are panicking over there and killing the health care workers.....

We know so much about how ebola is transmitted, that the worldwide experts keep catching it and dying from it. :rolleyes:

[Carlybee]

Yeah, but I understand they are like the Hotel California when it comes to checking out.

Such a lovely place...

[Carlybee]

DOCTOR Rand Paul:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/01/rand-paul-obama-foolishly-letting-political-correctness-influence-ebola-decisions/

DOCTOR Gil Mobley:

http://conservativebyte.com/2014/10/doctor-cdc-lying-1/

Public Health Agency of Canada:

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/res/psds-ftss/ebola-eng.php

LOL why the sudden is everybody trusting anything this government says like it was gospel, and distrusting what the scientists, doctors, and RAND freaking PAUL are saying? Have you all been replaced with US Government Issue pod-people?? lol

When the govt says don't worry..it's time to worry.

[GunnyFreedom]

Such a lovely place...
such a lovely face...

[GunnyFreedom]

When the govt says don't worry..it's time to worry.

Honestly I don't pay any attention to what this government says either way. I won't let them trap me into just 'doing the opposite' of whatever they want, because that's still a means of them controlling me. I just basically ignore the government altogether and form my own independent conclusions from my own independant research. If big.gov got the clue and just started disseminating 'opposite propaganda' to the dissenters, many of us would be tricked into doing exactly what they want. I am just not going to put myself into a position to be manipulated like that.

[Dr.3D]

such a lovely face...
Some dance to forget.

[cajuncocoa]

Some dance to forget.
We're livin' it up....

[Brian4Liberty]

While not following this story closely in the media, I have not heard the following concern expressed anywhere. The assumption that everyone seems to be working from is that humans are the only possible host for this virus. But in Africa, there are animal hosts, some known, some probably unknown.

So with contagious patients in the US, where do their "bodily fluids" end up? Do they go to a place where a new host vector can be infected? Let's just go with an example of infected vomit going into the gutter or the sewer. Can that reach a new, non-human host? Bats? Rats? Possums? Raccoons? Birds? Fish? Frogs?

Let's say it reaches the sewage treatment facility. How is sewage treated before discharge? Is it sterilized, or just somewhat filtered?

Inquiring minds want to know...

[Carlybee]

This is what I have so far..laugh if y'all want:

Colloidal silver
Del Immune V
Vitamin D3
Black Seed with Garlic
Various other vitamins
Will be getting some mega C

I'm not panicking but I am committed to shoring up my immune system

[TheCount]

This is what I have so far..laugh if y'all want:


http://i.imgur.com/90XMl2J.gif

[Carlybee]

While not following this story closely in the media, I have not heard the following concern expressed anywhere. The assumption that everyone seems to be working from is that humans are the only possible host for this virus. But in Africa, there are animal hosts, some known, some probably unknown.

So with contagious patients in the US, where do their "bodily fluids" end up? Do they go to a place where a new host vector can be infected? Let's just go with an example of infected vomit going into the gutter or the sewer. Can that reach a new, non-human host? Bats? Rats? Possums? Raccoons? Birds? Fish? Frogs?

Let's say it reaches the sewage treatment facility. How is sewage treated before discharge? Is it sterilized, or just somewhat filtered?

Inquiring minds want to know...


Pigs from what I've read are thought to be carriers.

[Brian4Liberty]

Pigs from what I've read are thought to be carriers.

Well, the Feds know how to deal with livestock epidemics. Just kill them all.

[luctor-et-emergo]

While not following this story closely in the media, I have not heard the following concern expressed anywhere. The assumption that everyone seems to be working from is that humans are the only possible host for this virus. But in Africa, there are animal hosts, some known, some probably unknown.

So with contagious patients in the US, where do their "bodily fluids" end up? Do they go to a place where a new host vector can be infected? Let's just go with an example of infected vomit going into the gutter or the sewer. Can that reach a new, non-human host? Bats? Rats? Possums? Raccoons? Birds? Fish? Frogs?

Let's say it reaches the sewage treatment facility. How is sewage treated before discharge? Is it sterilized, or just somewhat filtered?

Inquiring minds want to know...

Dilution and natural breakdown of the virus I guess. It's supposedly not good at living outside of a host for too long, which is why they keep mentioning that surfaces aren't a big cause of worry.

As for some of the other comments, it is definitely not an airborne virus, if it was, millions would have been infected already.

[Carlybee]

http://i.imgur.com/90XMl2J.gif


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[Carlybee]

Well, the Feds know how to deal with livestock epidemics. Just kill them all.

Uh...muh bacon?

[luctor-et-emergo]

Well, the Feds know how to deal with livestock epidemics. Just kill them all.

Better to deal with it while there is still room in isolation wards.

[GunnyFreedom]

Dilution and natural breakdown of the virus I guess. It's supposedly not good at living outside of a host for too long, which is why they keep mentioning that surfaces aren't a big cause of worry.

As for some of the other comments, it is definitely not an airborne virus, if it was, millions would have been infected already.

It's not an airborne virus YET. It has already shown an ability to mutate into an airborne virus in monkeys 25 years ago (very well documented), but Ebola-Reston (REBOV) was thankfully not pathogenic in humans. However, this clearly indicates that there is the real potential for mutating into an airborne virus, since it has already done so at least once so far as we know. The longer we let this crap stew and fester the more likely it will actually mutate, and thus the potential for it becoming airborne.

So no, it's not airborne yet, but ebola has historically demonstrated the capability of mutating into an airborne virus. We keep letting all these people in to wander around the US, and it's actually way more likely to mutate amongst survivors than mortalities. When a pathogen runs enough to burn itself out, there is less of a chance for mutation. When the survival rate increases dramatically due to western 1st world medicine, there is a greater chance for mutation (because the non-mutants are eliminated, leaving the mutants to prosper in a vacuum).

Like I've been saying, ebola is not a threat YET, but if we keep doing what we are doing, then the chances are getting better every day that it will become a threat in the future.

[luctor-et-emergo]

It's not an airborne virus YET. It has already shown an ability to mutate into an airborne virus in monkeys 25 years ago (very well documented), but Ebola-Reston (REBOV) was thankfully not pathogenic in humans. However, this clearly indicates that there is the real potential for mutating into an airborne virus, since it has already done so at least once so far as we know. The longer we let this crap stew and fester the more likely it will actually mutate, and thus the potential for it becoming airborne.

So no, it's not airborne yet, but ebola has historically demonstrated the capability of mutating into an airborne virus. We keep letting all these people in to wander around the US, and it's actually way more likely to mutate amongst survivors than mortalities. When a pathogen runs enough to burn itself out, there is less of a chance for mutation. When the survival rate increases dramatically due to western 1st world medicine, there is a greater chance for mutation (because the non-mutants are eliminated, leaving the mutants to prosper in a vacuum).

Like I've been saying, ebola is not a threat YET, but if we keep doing what we are doing, then the chances are getting better every day that it will become a threat in the future.

I agree. Did I say anything to the contrary ?

[Anti Federalist]

http://i.imgur.com/90XMl2J.gif

You're laughing, but you do realize that what Carly is doing is about all you can do in the way of "treatment" for Ebola, right?

Boost your immune system, stay hydrated and rest.

[seapilot]

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/doctor-boards-flight-in-ebola-protection-suit-to-p/nhZk8/


Doctor dons Ebola protection suit to protest ‘asleep at the wheel’ CDC



By Mike Morris and John Spink
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Two days after a man in Texas was diagnosed with Ebola, a Missouri doctor Thursday morning showed up at Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport dressed in protective gear to protest what he called mismanagement of the crisis by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Dr. Gil Mobley checked in and cleared airport security wearing a mask, goggles, gloves, boots and a hooded white jumpsuit emblazoned on the back with the words, “CDC is lying!”
“If they’re not lying, they are grossly incompetent,” said Mobley, a microbiologist and emergency trauma physician from Springfield, Mo.
Mobley said the CDC is “sugar-coating” the risk of the virus spreading in the United States.


rest of article at link with video

[tangent4ronpaul]

Doctor dons Ebola protection suit to protest CDC
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/doctor-boards-flight-in-ebola-protection-suit-to-p/nhZk8/

Two days after a man in Texas was diagnosed with Ebola, a Missouri doctor Thursday morning showed up at Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport dressed in protective gear to protest what he called mismanagement of the crisis by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Dr. Gil Mobley checked in and cleared airport security wearing a mask, goggles, gloves, boots and a hooded white jumpsuit emblazoned on the back with the words, “CDC is lying!”
“If they’re not lying, they are grossly incompetent,” said Mobley, a microbiologist and emergency trauma physician from Springfield, Mo.
Mobley said the CDC is “sugar-coating” the risk of the virus spreading in the United States.

“For them to say last week that the likelihood of importing an Ebola case was extremely small was a real bad call,” he said.
“Once this disease consumes every third world country, as surely it will, because they lack the same basic infrastructure as Sierra Leone and Liberia, at that point, we will be importing clusters of Ebola on a daily basis,” Mobley predicted. “That will overwhelm any advanced country’s ability to contain the clusters in isolation and quarantine. That spells bad news.”
Mobley, a Medical College of Georgia graduate who had an overnight layover after flying to Atlanta from Guatemala on Wednesday, said that he feels that the CDC is “asleep at the wheel” when it comes to screening passengers arriving in the United States from other countries.
“Yesterday, I came through international customs at the Atlanta airport,” the doctor told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “The only question they asked arriving passengers is if they had tobacco or alcohol.”
The CDC on Wednesday sent a team to the airport in Monrovia, Liberia, where the Texas patient began his recent trip from Liberia to the United States, to make sure health officials there are screening passengers properly.
“There were no signs of any disease when the gentleman boarded the flight,” said Dr. Tom Kenyon, director of the CDC’s Center for Global Health. “This was not a failure of the screening process at the airport.”
Also Wednesday, customs workers at Hartsfield started handing out Ebola information leaflets to passengers holding passports from West African countries such as Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. Information on Ebola is also displayed on posters and TV monitors in the customs area.

-t

[Carlybee]

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[ChristianAnarchist]

EBOLA!!! Bla bla bla bla EBOLA!!! Bla bla bla bla EBOLA!!! Bla bla bla bla EBOLA!!! Bla bla bla bla EBOLA!!! Bla bla bla bla EBOLA!!! Bla bla bla bla EBOLA!!!

[Carlybee]

You're laughing, but you do realize that what Carly is doing is about all you can do in the way of "treatment" for Ebola, right?

Boost your immune system, stay hydrated and rest.


It's okay...they were laughing at me a few months ago in one of the border threads when I said there was a growing Ebola epidemic in Africa and that once it was in the major populations it wouldn't take long for it to get here.

[navy-vet]

This is what I have so far..laugh if y'all want:

Colloidal silver
Del Immune V
Vitamin D3
Black Seed with Garlic
Various other vitamins
Will be getting some mega C

I'm not panicking but I am committed to shoring up my immune system
You won't get any laughs here. I wonder if there is anyway to confirm the effects these things have on the immune system. Short of a full fledged, lengthy, expensive study. Like blood work for instance?

[navy-vet]

Where's your omega three's? Like hemp oil or seed?

[Brian4Liberty]

“The only question they asked arriving passengers is if they had tobacco or alcohol.”

At least they are continuing with their important work.

[Miss Annie]

What Quarantine?… Photos Show MEN CLEANING TX EBOLA VOMIT Without SUITS! (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/10/what-ebola-quarantine-photo-shows-person-delivering-food-to-texas-ebola-victims-family/)

[Carlybee]

You won't get any laughs here. I wonder if there is anyway to confirm the effects these things have on the immune system. Short of a full fledged, lengthy, expensive study. Like blood work for instance?


All I can do is go by the testimonials. I did post a thing today from Natural News that said there was documentation that colloidal silver was effective on Ebola but the shipments there had been seized. I'm mainly just looking at immune building and support.

[Carlybee]

Where's your omega three's? Like hemp oil or seed?


I have hemp oil.

[presence]

What Quarantine?… Photos Show MEN CLEANING TX EBOLA VOMIT Without SUITS! (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/10/what-ebola-quarantine-photo-shows-person-delivering-food-to-texas-ebola-victims-family/)

WTF????

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/sidewalk-ebola.png

https://twitter.com/wfaachannel8/status/517739906211528704/photo/1


WFAA TV ‏@wfaachannel8 (https://twitter.com/wfaachannel8) 5 hours ago (https://twitter.com/wfaachannel8/status/517739906211528704) HD Chopper 8 caught crews cleaning the sidewalk outside the Ivy Apartments where the #Ebola (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ebola?src=hash) patient stayed.


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[Miss Annie]

WTF????

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/sidewalk-ebola.png

That's what I said too!! :mad:

[green73]

WTF????

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/sidewalk-ebola.png

Is that woman ISIS?

[FloralScent]

Is that woman ISIS?

She's their collecting a sample so they can weaponize it.

[HOLLYWOOD]

http://kwout.com/cutout/u/8f/9i/feh_bor.jpg

April 2010: Obama administration scraps quarantine regulations - USATODAY.com (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-04-01-quarantine_N.htm)

[green73]

EBOLA!!! Bla bla bla bla EBOLA!!! Bla bla bla bla EBOLA!!! Bla bla bla bla EBOLA!!! Bla bla bla bla EBOLA!!! Bla bla bla bla EBOLA!!! Bla bla bla bla EBOLA!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uz_dehG2M8

[ghengis86]

She's their collecting a sample so they can weaponize it.

By weaponize you mean infect a suicidal sneezer and send them into a crowded sporting event, mall, etc?

[Brian4Liberty]

Dilution and natural breakdown of the virus I guess. It's supposedly not good at living outside of a host for too long, which is why they keep mentioning that surfaces aren't a big cause of worry.

As for some of the other comments, it is definitely not an airborne virus, if it was, millions would have been infected already.

I heard some expert say that it can take only 1 viri to infect a person. So dilution may not help.

[Anti Federalist]

Seriously? Is this photo legit?


WTF????

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/sidewalk-ebola.png

[navy-vet]

That's all cool. :)
I personally believe that following common sense, the skin, and our other natural external protective mechanisms (e.g. hair, oils, wax, and mucous), that the immune system is our next best line of defense from pathogens.

[presence]

Seriously? Is this photo legit?

apparently it is... I added citation to the post:

https://twitter.com/wfaachannel8/status/517739906211528704/photo/1


HD Chopper 8 caught crews cleaning the sidewalk outside the Ivy Apartments where the #Ebola (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ebola?src=hash) patient stayed.

[tangent4ronpaul]

FOX is supposed to have an in depth show on Ebola tonight at 8pm EST

-t

[Miss Annie]

Seriously? Is this photo legit?

Here is the link again...... http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/10/what-ebola-quarantine-photo-shows-person-delivering-food-to-texas-ebola-victims-family/

[Miss Annie]

nm

[navy-vet]

Here is the link again...... http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/10/what-ebola-quarantine-photo-shows-person-delivering-food-to-texas-ebola-victims-family/
Relax, that's the official approved African Containment Procedure (ACP). And they have a lot of experience in decontaminating the ebola. They are after all, the pioneers. And, as you can see if you look closely, these pros have received the necessary specialized training.

[navy-vet]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cLIVVv134o0/VCwoOgbqiBI/AAAAAAAANB8/Rz7ap9s8Rro/s1600/Workplace-Virus.jpg

[Chester Copperpot]

TSA would rather harass Americans.. than to maybe screen people who traveled from West Africa into USA. lol.

Lovely.. diseases from Africa and Central/South America. Anyone reading about the respiratory disease with polio like symptoms recently?

Yeah its called polio.. but since polio has been eradicated with cancer-causing vaccines now anytime polio shows up its simply re-diagnosed as polio-like such and such

[Anti Federalist]

apparently it is... I added citation to the post:

https://twitter.com/wfaachannel8/status/517739906211528704/photo/1

Well OK, but...


HD Chopper 8 caught crews cleaning the sidewalk outside the Ivy Apartments where the #Ebola patient stayed.

That's a big complex, looks like those guys are just washing dirt down.

Is that where the guy was puking all over?

[Anti Federalist]

http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/hk/9dO3E1tyAM9FEJoQjUgzLfLy1j/www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/xebola-vomit.jpg.pagespeed.ic.xeUyo4PhSAc0i9wCzJUV.jpg

Says it is in front of...

A worker power washes the sidewalk in front of the apartment unit at The Ivy Apartments where a man diagnosed with the Ebola virus was staying in Dallas, Texas October 2, 2014. Up to 100 people may have had direct or indirect contact with the first person diagnosed with Ebola in the United States, and four people have been quarantined in a Dallas apartment, health officials said on Thursday.

[Anti Federalist]

WTF?

Really, I mean WTF?

Have a car crash, and guys show up in full hazmat suits to clean up antifreeze...

[69360]

Do we need to chip in on a bunker?

Probably not yet. But I've often wondered, what is the RPF rally point in the zombie apocalypse with no internet or communications? Because lets face it, most of us here have way better than average chances of surviving and will still be around. We should have one, no? Probably shouldn't be general public knowledge either.

[tangent4ronpaul]

FOX Business Cavuto - on now, not FOX News Oreilly

-t

[donnay]

We're livin' it up....

...at the Hotel California.

[navy-vet]

http://fox40.com/2014/08/20/ca-nurse-association-calls-for-transparency-preparedness-during-ebola-scare/

A lot of the nurses will end up striking and staying home if this ebola thing blows up and they are left holding the bag. The nurses are bitchin from the east coast too and issuing their proclamations and warnings.
There is also a continuing shortage of IV fluids everywhere that's been going on since Spring...Fluids are key in treating ebola by the way.
With flu season starting and now this new gift of polio like crap from south of the border that's spreading in the midwest....
Things are getting awfully busy, and I don't like busy...busy leads to sloppiness and panic.
Be prepared to hunker down and take care of your own.

[Valli6]

Just heard, that the ebola patient in Texas, will face maximum prosecution by the law if he survives, which appears to be doubtful, for lying to the authorities when coming through the ebola screen.


Yes, the Liberian government will prosecute him, not ours. Ours will probably give him a free lawyer, call him a refugee, and then help him sue the Dallas hospital that first sent him home with antibiotics.


Ebola crisis: Liberia 'to prosecute man in US hospital'

The Liberian authorities say they will prosecute the man diagnosed with Ebola in the US, accusing him of lying over his contact with an infected relative.

When he left the country last month, Liberian national Thomas Eric Duncan filled in a questionnaire saying that none of his relatives were sick.

But Liberia's assistant health minister said he had taken a sick relative to a clinic in a wheelbarrow.

Mr Duncan is in a serious condition in a Dallas hospital.

His is the first case of Ebola to be diagnosed on US soil, where as many as 100 people are being checked for exposure to Ebola.

More than 3,330 people have died in the Ebola outbreak in four West African countries.

'Speedy recovery'

The BBC's Jonathan Paye-Layleh in Liberia's capital, Monrovia, says the prosecution announcement was made at the weekly Ebola update news conference, which is attended by numerous government officials and was dominated by the case of Mr Duncan.

"We wish him a speedy recovery; we await his arrival in Liberia" to face prosecution, Binyah Kesselly, the chairman of the board of directors of the Liberia Airport Authority, said.

Deputy Information Minister Isaac Jackson confirmed that Mr Duncan would be prosecuted as he "lied under oath about his Ebola status".

Before the briefing, Mr Kesselly told the BBC that Mr Duncan had answered "no" to all the questions on the Ebola form, which includes one about whether the traveller has any relatives sick with Ebola.

Assistant Health Minister Tolbert Nyenswah explained at the briefing that he was investigating Mr Duncan's movements before he left Liberia on 19 September.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29467489

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77977000/jpg/_77977150_fcbb83f7-459b-42fb-91a2-e1e7f28287a6.jpg

[fr33]

What Quarantine?… Photos Show MEN CLEANING TX EBOLA VOMIT Without SUITS! (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/10/what-ebola-quarantine-photo-shows-person-delivering-food-to-texas-ebola-victims-family/)

They ain't pay me to wear a suit.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Sql-F-PNNIc/U5pM7oU6b_I/AAAAAAAAAhk/EkzxXARnTRU/s1600/aint-nobody-got-time-for-that.png

[devil21]

WTF?

Really, I mean WTF?

Have a car crash, and guys show up in full hazmat suits to clean up antifreeze...

Hell, they pull out the hazmat suits when the DEA raids a grow house.

[navy-vet]

Yes, the Liberian government will prosecute him, not ours. Ours will probably give him a free lawyer, call him a refugee, and then help him sue the Dallas hospital that first sent him home with antibiotics.

Yeah, that is quite likely the way it will go. I didn't know it was the Liberians when I heard that, but I did hear that we are counting on them to protect us by screening deportees at the airport :rolleyes: Hey, maybe the lawyers will sneak through the quarantine to get a contract and get the gift that keeps on giving lol Now that would be some sweet justice for a change.

[navy-vet]

They ain't pay me to wear a suit.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Sql-F-PNNIc/U5pM7oU6b_I/AAAAAAAAAhk/EkzxXARnTRU/s1600/aint-nobody-got-time-for-that.png

ROFL

[donnay]

This is what I have so far..laugh if y'all want:

Colloidal silver
Del Immune V
Vitamin D3
Black Seed with Garlic
Various other vitamins
Will be getting some mega C

I'm not panicking but I am committed to shoring up my immune system



That is a great list!

Here are some other things that are good to stock up on:

Oil of Oregano
Manuka Honey
Tea tree oil
Turmeric
A good pharmaceutical-grade Probiotic
White Tea (http://www.whiteteaguide.com/whiteteahealthbenefits.htm)
Nascent Iodine
Selenium (200 mcg)
D3 (5,000 IU's) <---In the winter I take 10,000 IU's
Calcium
buffered Vitamin C 1000 mg (not ascorbic acid)
Vitamin E (the natural form that is high in gamma-E)
Astaxanthin
B vitamins

Seventy percent of your immune system lies within our gut. I would rather be prepared then not prepared at all. The problem I have with this is government officials are sugar-coating this event. But by-god you better run out and get your flu shot!

"We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth...
For my part, I am willing to know the whole truth;
to know the worst; and to provide for it."
~Patrick Henry

[Carlybee]

Probably not yet. But I've often wondered, what is the RPF rally point in the zombie apocalypse with no internet or communications? Because lets face it, most of us here have way better than average chances of surviving and will still be around. We should have one, no? Probably shouldn't be general public knowledge either.

Agreed

[GunnyFreedom]

WTF?

Really, I mean WTF?

Have a car crash, and guys show up in full hazmat suits to clean up antifreeze...

LOL and I'm the crazy one for suggesting the people dealing with this are utterly and totally incompetent. :rolleyes:

[Carlybee]

That is a great list!

Here are some other things that are good to stock up on:

Oil of Oregano
Manuka Honey
Tea tree oil
Turmeric
A good pharmaceutical-grade Probiotic
White Tea (http://www.whiteteaguide.com/whiteteahealthbenefits.htm)
Nascent Iodine
Selenium (200 mcg)
D3 (5,000 IU's) <---In the winter I take 10,000 IU's
Calcium
buffered Vitamin C 1000 mg (not ascorbic acid)
Vitamin E (the natural form that is high in gamma-E)
Astaxanthin
B vitamins

Seventy percent of your immune system lies within you gut. I would rather be prepared then not prepared at all. The problem I have with this is government officials are sugar-coating this event. But by-god you better run out and get your flu shot!

"We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth...
For my part, I am willing to know the whole truth;
to know the worst; and to provide for it."
~Patrick Henry

Forgot to add, I do have Manuka honey but not much. I have to take calcium due to losing my parathyroids so I have a ton of that but worried about how to get my dessicated thyroid in a Shtf scenario. I have to take it due to thyroid removal. I have iodine too. The Del Immune V is a probiotic.

[presence]

4 PEOPLE QUARANTINED IN PUKE FILLED EBOLA HOUSE


(CNN) -- [Breaking news update at 8:23 p.m. ET]
The soiled sheets that Thomas Eric Duncan -- the first person diagnosed with Ebola in the United States -- slept on after arriving in Dallas, Texas, are still on the bed in the apartment where four people are being quarantined, one of those holed up there said Thursday.

The quarantined woman -- Duncan's partner who asked to be identified only by her first name, Louise -- told CNN's Anderson Cooper that Duncan's soiled towels are in a plastic bag in the apartment.

[]

The quarantined partner of Ebola (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/27/world/ebola-virus-explainer/index.html) patient Thomas Eric Duncan (http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/01/health/us-ebola-patient/index.html) should be moved with her family out of the Texas apartment where Duncan became sick with the virus and where

his sweat-stained sheets were still on the bed,

the Dallas County director of homeland security said.


Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins, also director (http://www.dallascounty.org/department/comcrt/jenkins/judge.php) of the county's Homeland Security and Emergency Management, said officials are working on that relocation after Duncan's girlfriend told CNN of being forced to live with distressing living conditions.



http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/02/us/texas-woman-quarantine-ebola-thomas-duncan/index.html


NBC NEWS CAMERAMAN TESTS POSITIVE FOR EBOLA

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/nbc-news-freelancer-africa-diagnosed-ebola-n217271


An American freelance cameraman working for NBC News in Liberia has tested positive for Ebola and will be flown back to the United States for treatment.

[tangent4ronpaul]

http://fox40.com/2014/08/20/ca-nurse-association-calls-for-transparency-preparedness-during-ebola-scare/

A lot of the nurses will end up striking and staying home if this ebola thing blows up and they are left holding the bag. The nurses are bitchin from the east coast too and issuing their proclamations and warnings.
There is also a continuing shortage of IV fluids everywhere that's been going on since Spring...Fluids are key in treating ebola by the way.
With flu season starting and now this new gift of polio like crap from south of the border that's spreading in the midwest....
Things are getting awfully busy, and I don't like busy...busy leads to sloppiness and panic.
Be prepared to hunker down and take care of your own.

hope these are still active....

Admixture production files
These are from the MedTech CD, so if you have a copy of that you don't need to download them. A word of caution, though - CD's DO have a shelf life, and some of mine cannot be read. If you haven't looked at your CD's in a while - check them. You might want to make a backup set while you are at it.

My apologies for the size of the IDA document (which is really good). Makes for a slow download. Whenever I locate the original again, I'll re-scan it to make it smaller.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/ztlfnddtmtl/CALC Workbook.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/jwyzcmmn1nz/IDA - Small Scale Production of IV Fluids.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/2zjnztiytw4/Making Your own IV Fluids.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/mlj1yi5atml/Osmotic Production of Sterile Oral Rehydration Solutions.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/mwjtiigykyy/Proctor Info.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/wv2yq4y4wjj/System for Making Hospital Solutions in the 3rd World.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/1n0niz...onutbiblio.doc
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ntj3jrtmfj1/coconutiv.txt
http://www.mediafire.com/file/njtnj1...Production.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/g0ykzdmr4gl/making IV fluids - FIP.doc
http://www.mediafire.com/file/z0e0d4kxyji/making IV fluids - sroberts.doc
http://www.mediafire.com/file/tm5qgjgijgb/making IV fluids - tropdoc.doc
http://www.mediafire.com/file/jdqmknzjj5y/making IV needles.doc

enjoy!

-t

http://medtech.syrene.net/forum/showthread.php?3770-Admixture-production-files&highlight=fluids

[Brian4Liberty]

No. The two posts you quoted simply means that if you don't quarantine over there, you invite martial law over here.

Stopping flights in and out of Ebola hot-zones is hardly mentioned. It's considered politically incorrect, or cruel, or mean or elitist or even racist. Hell, Obama would probably have the gall to claim that it is unconstitutional.

On the other hand, they have no problem implementing martial law in the US for unreasonable cause. There was no justification for house to house gun confiscation in New Orleans. There was no reasonable cause for city wide "shelter in place" or martial law in the Boston area.

If it does start to spread in the US, you can bank on the fact that the measures will eventually be far more draconian than just stopping flights.

And now we have an example.

We have four people locked in an apartment in Dallas, who have no signs of Ebola. Why can't they leave? They should be "free to leave". They should able to fly to Paris, London or Tokyo if they want!

/s


Health officials obtained an order to force the residents of the apartment to stay at home, after admitting they had not complied with a voluntary request to do so on Wednesday. The order applies to four “close” family members, including a woman believed to be Duncan’s girlfriend, as well as her child and two nephews in their 20s. Local police have been stationed at the apartment complex to ensure compliance.
...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/02/ebola-patients-waste-remained-texas-apartment-two-days

[green73]

What are the betting odds on another person in TX getting it? I've got money to invest.

[presence]

What's the over/under on another person getting it? I've got money to invest.

Buy stock in IV bags.

[green73]

Buy stock in IV bags.

zzz

[Brian4Liberty]

No doubt this was all practiced over and over by the many agencies involved. They must have had many expert training sessions, seminars, drills, emergency scenarios with actors, all the busy work government (US Taxpayer) money could buy.

Running like a Swiss Watch they are. You won't see precision like this in Africa. The US is so advanced. We are prepared. Nothing to see here, move along.




US Ebola patient's waste not cleared from apartment two days after diagnosis

Health officials admit they were unable to find waste management company willing to accept soiled towels and sheets
...
Lakey said local and county officials had experienced difficulties in securing a contractor to remove the waste from the apartment and clean it. “There has been a little bit of hesitancy for entities to want to do that,” Lakey said.
...
Earlier, a representative of one of the agencies who issued the control order said that arranging clean bedding was the responsibility of the family – despite the ban on them leaving their home. “The individuals, it’s up to them … to care for the household,” Erikka Neroes of Dallas County health and human services told the Guardian. “Our science tells us, according to CDC, that Ebola virus germs can be killed with soap and water … Dallas County has not been involved in a disinfection process.”
...
Earlier in the day, angrily brandishing an Ebola fact sheet, David Mbusa strode out of the complex and told reporters that he was completely unaware that a fellow resident had the virus until this morning.
...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/02/ebola-patients-waste-remained-texas-apartment-two-days

[fr33]

What are the betting odds on another person in TX getting it? I've got money to invest.

60/40

[pessimist]

When incompetent organizations tell me not to panic....I panic.

When incompetent institutions want me to panic...I mock them.