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National myth
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A national myth is an inspiring narrative or anecdote about a nation's past. Such myths often serve as an important national symbol and affirm a set of national values. A national myth may sometimes take the form of a national epic or be incorporated into a civil religion. A group of related myths about a nation may be referred to as the national mythos from the Greek plural for "myth".

A national myth is a legend or fictionalized narrative which has been elevated to a serious mythological, symbolic, and esteemed level so as to be true to the nation.[1] It might simply over-dramatize true incidents, omit important historical details, or add details for which there is no evidence; or it might simply be a fictional story that no one takes to be true literally,[2] but contains a symbolic meaning for the nation. The national folklore of many nations includes a founding myth, which may involve a struggle against colonialism or a war of independence. In many cases, the meaning of the national myth is disputed among different parts of the population.

In some places, the national myth may be spiritual in tone and refer to stories of the nation's founding at the hands of God, the gods, leaders favored by gods, and other supernatural beings.

National myths serve many social and political purposes. National myths often exist only for the purpose of state-sponsored propaganda. In totalitarian dictatorships, the leader might be given, for example, a mythical supernatural life history in order to make him or her seem god-like and supra-powerful (see also cult of personality). However, national myths exist in every society. In liberal regimes they can serve the purpose of inspiring civic virtue and self-sacrifice (see Miller 1995), or of consolidating the power of dominant groups and legitimizing their rule.

Contents
Background
Social background
Psychological background
Primary myths
Consequences
See also
References
Further reading
BackgroundEdit

National myths have been created and propagated by national intellectuals, who have used them as instruments of political mobilization on demographic bases such as ethnicity.[3]

Social background
The concept of national identity is inescapably connected with myths.[4] A complex of myths is at the core of every ethnic identity.[5] Some scholars believe that national identities, supported by invented histories, were constructed only after national movements and national ideologies emerged.[6]

All modern national identities were preceded by nationalist movements.[7] Although the term "nation" was used in the Middle Ages, it had totally different meaning than in the age of nationalism, where it was linked to the efforts aimed to creation of the nation-states.[8]

Psychological background
Besides their social background, nationalist myths have also a psychological explanation which is connected with nationalist myth of stable homeland community. The complexity of relations with the modern external world and incoherence of the inner psychological world can result with anxiety which is reduced by static self-labelling and self-construction and gaining an imaginary emotion of stability.[9]

Primary mythsEdit

Two of nationalism's primary myths are connected with beliefs in:[10]

community's permanence (the myth of the eternal nation), based on its national character, territory and institutions and on its continuity across many generations, and
community's common ancestry (myth of the common ancestry).
The nationalist myths portray the nation as sleeping and waiting to be awakened, but scholarly discourse avoids such images because national identity either exists or not and can not be asleep and awakened.[11]

ConsequencesEdit

Nationalist myths sometimes have a tendency to stimulate conflicts between nations,[12] to magnify distinctive characteristics of the national group and to overstate the threat to the nation posed by other groups propagating militant fulfilment of the their goals.[13]

See alsoEdit

Political myth
Civil religion
List of world folk-epics
Mythomoteur
Founding myth
Historiography and nationalism
Ernst Renan
What is a Nation?
National mysticism
Noble lie
ReferencesEdit

Renan, Ernest (1882). Qu'est-ce qu'une nation?.
Abizadeh, Arash (2004). "Historical Truth, National Myths, and Liberal Democracy". Journal of Political Philosophy 12 (3): 291–313. doi:10.1111/j.1467-9760.2004.00201.x.
Safty, Adel (2002), Leadership and Conflict Resolution, USA: Universal publishers, p. 273, ISBN 1-58112-617-4, "Shnirelman (1995) considers nationalist myths ... created by national intellectuals and propagated by the intelligentsia with the aim of using this myths as an instrument of ethno-political mobilization under interethnic conflicts."
Cameron, Keith (1999), National identity, Exeter, England: Intellect, p. 4, ISBN 978-1-871516-05-0, OCLC 40798482, "Myth is inextricably linked with the concept of national identity"
J. Kaufman, Stuart (2001), Modern hatreds : the symbolic politics of ethnic war, New York: Cornell University Press, p. 25, ISBN 978-0-8014-8736-1, OCLC 46590030, "The core of the ethnic identity is the "myth-symbol complex" — the combination of myths,..."
Østergaard, Uffe; Heine Andersen; Lars Bo Kaspersen (2000). Classical and modern social theory. Malden, Mass.: Blackwell. p. 448. ISBN 978-0-631-21288-1. Retrieved 8 September 2011.
Østergaard, Uffe; Heine Andersen; Lars Bo Kaspersen (2000). Classical and modern social theory. Malden, Mass.: Blackwell. p. 448. ISBN 978-0-631-21288-1. Retrieved 8 September 2011.
Østergaard, Uffe; Heine Andersen; Lars Bo Kaspersen (2000). Classical and modern social theory. Malden, Mass.: Blackwell. p. 448. ISBN 978-0-631-21288-1. Retrieved 8 September 2011. "We can, for example, certainly encounter term "nation" in the Middle Ages, but the word meant something completely different than in the age of nationalism, where it is inextricably linked with the efforts to create an associated state."
Brown, David (2000), "Contemporary nationalism", Contemporary nationalism: civic, ethnocultural, and multicultural politics, London ; New York: Routledge, p. 24, ISBN 0-203-38025-8, OCLC 43286590
Brown, David (2000), "Contemporary nationalism", Contemporary nationalism: civic, ethnocultural, and multicultural politics, London ; New York: Routledge, pp. 23, 24, ISBN 0-203-38025-8, OCLC 43286590
M. Danforth, Loring (1995). The Macedonian conflict : ethnic nationalism in a transnational world. Princeton, N.J.: Princeton University Press. p. 15. ".. nationalist myths of nation waiting, Sleeping Beauty like, to be awakened....In scholarly discourse this image should be avoided .. national identity is a matter of self-ascription, it either exists or it does not, it can not be asleep and then be awakened..."
Edward Brown, Michael (1997). "Nationalism and ethnic conflict". Cambridge, Mass.: MIT Press. p. 67. ISBN 978-0-585-35807-9. "... we do argue that tendency to breed conflicts is inherent to typical nationalist myths"
Schnabel, Albrecht; David Carment (2004). Conflict prevention from rhetoric to reality: Organizations and institutions. Lanham, Md: Lexington Books. pp. 45, 46. ISBN 978-0-7391-0738-6. "overemphasize the cultural and historical distinctiveness of the national group [and its territory], exaggerate the threat posed to the nation by other groups, ignore the degree to which the nation's own actions provoked such treats, and play down the cost of seeking national goals trough militant means."
Further readingEdit

Renan, Ernest (1882). Qu'est-ce qu'une nation?.
Birch, Anthony (1989), Nationalism and national integration, London ; Boston: Unwin Hyman, ISBN 978-0-04-320181-7, OCLC 18684137
J Hobsbawm, Eric (1990), Nations and nationalism since 1780 : programme, myth, reality, Cambridge [England] ; New York: Cambridge University Press, ISBN 978-0-521-33507-2, OCLC 20294449
R O'G Anderson, Benedict (1991), Imagined communities : reflections on the origin and spread of nationalism, London; New York: Verso, ISBN 978-0-86091-546-1, OCLC 23356022
Miller, David (1995). On Nationality. Oxford: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-828047-5.
Geoffrey Hosking,; George Schöpflin (1997), Myths and nationhood, New York: Routledge in association with the School of Slavonic and East European Studies, University of London, ISBN 978-0-415-91973-9, OCLC 38110006
Cameron, Keith (1999), National identity, Exeter, England: Intellect, ISBN 978-1-871516-05-0, OCLC 40798482
Gutiérrez, Natividad (1999), Nationalist myths and ethnic identities : indigenous intellectuals and the Mexican state, Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press, ISBN 978-0-585-31059-6, OCLC 45731495
J. Kaufman, Stuart (2001), Modern hatreds : the symbolic politics of ethnic war, New York: Cornell University Press, ISBN 978-0-8014-8736-1, OCLC 46590030
J. Geary, Patrick (2002), The myth of nations: the medieval origins of Europe, Princeton, N.J.: Princeton University Press, ISBN 0-691-11481-1, OCLC 47182376
Abizadeh, Arash (2004). "Historical Truth, National Myths, and Liberal Democracy". Journal of Political Philosophy 12 (3): 291–313. doi:10.1111/j.1467-9760.2004.00201.x.
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heavenlyboy34
09-28-2014, 07:58 PM
w00t! :) Excellent topic! I consider Nationalism to be a religion of sorts. The mythology is obvious in the epics of Smetana, Wagner, and the like, but it is there in the "serious" fables/epics/stories modern nation states' people like to tell each other. The deification of Washington springs to mind. Historians know that a great many things attributed to him were far more likely done by lower ranking generals, but these feats of derring-do are given to George as a feel-good thing that also advances the narrative and character development of US National Mythology.

mrsat_98
09-28-2014, 08:29 PM
http://www.c-span.org/video/?313163-1/founding-myths

HVACTech
09-28-2014, 09:48 PM
w00t! :) Excellent topic! I consider Nationalism to be a religion of sorts. The mythology is obvious in the epics of Smetana, Wagner, and the like, but it is there in the "serious" fables/epics/stories modern nation states' people like to tell each other. The deification of Washington springs to mind. Historians know that a great many things attributed to him were far more likely done by lower ranking generals, but these feats of derring-do are given to George as a feel-good thing that also advances the narrative and character development of US National Mythology.

did you have a point to make?
like "throw it in the woods" mebbe?

what would you replace our constitutional Republic with?
oh wise one.
PLEASE enlighten us!

mrsat_98
09-29-2014, 05:17 AM
what would you replace our constitutional Republic with?


Apparently it's a myth.

ClydeCoulter
09-29-2014, 08:50 AM
http://www.c-span.org/video/?313163-1/founding-myths

Imagine what this history being made will look like in the future. I guess it will depend on who will be the victors.

ClydeCoulter
09-29-2014, 08:58 AM
http://www.c-span.org/video/?313163-1/founding-myths

Around 41:00, he gives a good argument against standardized tests. He says that standardized tests reinforces the "heritage" rather than actual history, it only reinforces the myths that have grown up over the actual history.