Michael Scheuer "ISIS Could Not Ask For Any Greater Gift Than The One Obama's Giving Them"

[Constitutional Paulicy]

Michael Scheuer; "There's not an honest man in congress since Ron Paul left". Nice interview!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIDCGy9V9mw&feature=youtube_gdata

[jmdrake]

Interesting quote regarding Ron Paul which left out everybody else. (Rand Paul. Justin Amash. Thomas Massie.) I think Amash and Massie simply may not have hit Scheuer's radar. It's impossible that Rand hasn't. But then Rand actually as a shot at winning the GOP nomination.

[Vanguard101]

Dennis Kucinich is pretty honest

[donnay]

Excellent interview!

[LibertyEagle]

What is going on with his hair? Looks like someone sprayed a can of shoe polish on the left side of his head.

[twomp]

wow i've never seen so much truth on a CNN show, did they air this at like 3 am on a saturday night or something?

[Anti-Neocon]

What is going on with his hair? Looks like someone sprayed a can of shoe polish on the left side of his head.
At least we have some people here to focus on the important things.

[jmdrake]

Dennis Kucinich is pretty honest

Is Dennis Kucinich still in congress?

[Christian Liberty]

Interesting quote regarding Ron Paul which left out everybody else. (Rand Paul. Justin Amash. Thomas Massie.) I think Amash and Massie simply may not have hit Scheuer's radar. It's impossible that Rand hasn't. But then Rand actually as a shot at winning the GOP nomination.

Rand Paul being left out makes perfect sense. I've never heard him really talk about blowback. Hinting at it sure. Pointing out that it actually matters like Ron Paul and Scheuer do, no.

Massie is just awesome. Amash to, to a slightly lesser extent.

[T.hill]

Rand Paul being left out makes perfect sense. I've never heard him really talk about blowback. Hinting at it sure. Pointing out that it actually matters like Ron Paul and Scheuer do, no.

Massie is just awesome. Amash to, to a slightly lesser extent.

Whatever that means. Rand has, numerous times, explained how there are unintended consequences to intervening in the middle-east. Even with Rand's relatively aggressive position on ISIS he's still always quick and explicit in blaming our foreign policy for producing the situation and perceived threat that ISIL poses.

I am admittedly opposed to Rand's stance on ISIS, but really Rand has still been blaming intervention for the so-called ISIS threat.

[T.hill]

I've just been observing overly-emotional and melodramatic responses to any nuance to the prototypical NAP doctrine. I agree with people who are against a military response to ISIS, but libertarians are not invariant in their individual ideological composition.

Btw, Rand probably doesn't equal Ron, but only as a person and in relation to methods utiilized. My subjective judgment is Rand is a libertarian pure and simple and is as good as Ron. I'm only saying this, because some seem to forget about subjective value or confuse it with objective truth.

[alucard13mm]

Maybe he knows better than to associate other people who are still in Congress or senate with blowback. Remember, blowback is still thought of as hating and blaming America or conspiracy-ish.

He can name ron since he is retired.

[presence]

BINGO


The more we interevene the more they win. - Michael Scheuer

[cindy25]

Dennis Kucinich is pretty honest

Kucinich lost his seat due to redistricting

[Anti-Neocon]

Kucinich lost his seat due to redistricting
The way they redistricted him out was very corrupt

[dillo]

And hes absolutely right, the biggest threat to our national security is the border, how can people even think about defending us overseas when we arent even secured at home?

[LibertyEagle]

At least we have some people here to focus on the important things.

I see you are talking about yourself. lol

[purplechoe]

I especially like the part at the end when he takes a shot against Israel. Zionists want to start WWIII and so far everything is going pretty much according to their plans. God help us all...

[Christian Liberty]

Whatever that means. Rand has, numerous times, explained how there are unintended consequences to intervening in the middle-east. Even with Rand's relatively aggressive position on ISIS he's still always quick and explicit in blaming our foreign policy for producing the situation and perceived threat that ISIL poses.

I am admittedly opposed to Rand's stance on ISIS, but really Rand has still been blaming intervention for the so-called ISIS threat.


I've just been observing overly-emotional and melodramatic responses to any nuance to the prototypical NAP doctrine. I agree with people who are against a military response to ISIS, but libertarians are not invariant in their individual ideological composition.

Btw, Rand probably doesn't equal Ron, but only as a person and in relation to methods utiilized. My subjective judgment is Rand is a libertarian pure and simple and is as good as Ron. I'm only saying this, because some seem to forget about subjective value or confuse it with objective truth.

Maybe Rand is really "playing the game", but if that's true, A: Why would you expect Scheuer to know that? And B: If he did know, wouldn't it make sense strategically for him to pretend like he didn't know?

As for the NAP, it really depends on the issue. libertarians can disagree on how the NAP applies to immigration, intellectual property, minimal statism, or abortion (I'd actually claim that "life begins at conception" is an essential libertarian position, but then you still have evictionists). I don't think libertarians can really disagree on foreign policy, which is pretty clear from a libertarian POV.


I especially like the part at the end when he takes a shot against Israel. Zionists want to start WWIII and so far everything is going pretty much according to their plans. God help us all...

Scheuer is right, Israel is a parasite. I'm not even that anti-Israel (for this forum at least) but they really need to just defend themselves and leave us out of it.

[willwash]

I thought Kucinich got pushed out due to gerrymandering

[Bastiat's The Law]

Dennis Kucinich is pretty honest

And an economic simpleton.

[jjdoyle]

Continues to say what would seem like should be common sense (yes, it's not common unfortunately) and provides a better foreign policy approach for a country $17+ trillion in debt.

[Spikender]

Really good interview. Gonna have to learn more about Scheuer, he seems like a bloke with some sense about him.

[cindy25]

Amish, Massie and Brat just need more TV time.

[HOLLYWOOD]

You tell'em Mike unfortunately,
Michael Scheuer "ISIS Could Not Ask For Any Greater Gift Than The One Obama's Giving Them" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?460550-Michael-Scheuer-quot-ISIS-Could-Not-Ask-For-Any-Greater-Gift-Than-The-One-Obama-s-Giving-Them-quot/page2)
Unfortunately, this is a gift to the US-NATO-Israeli military-security industrial complexes, as well as every pro foreign entanglement think/special interest/lobbying/NWO groups embedded within the Washington DC beltway.

Take the money away and special interest profiteers and racketeers go out of business... and a little history on the FIAT money printers:

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/09-overflow/20140829_warfed.jpg

[devil21]

Ive always wondered if the same principle applies to the CIA as to the Marines. There are no "ex-Marines". I generally like Scheuer but I don't trust him to tell the truth any more than I would trust any other CIA employee.

[jjdoyle]

Bump for those that missed it, and as a reminder to let your representatives know that intervention with no winning solution and giving foreign aid to Israel, makes us less safe and more likely to be attacked in the future, like we were on 9/11/2001.

[Christian Liberty]

Ive always wondered if the same principle applies to the CIA as to the Marines. There are no "ex-Marines". I generally like Scheuer but I don't trust him to tell the truth any more than I would trust any other CIA employee.

Why would Scheuer lie about this?

[Anti-Neocon]

You think they are really concerned about our safety? Thankfully there are a few that maybe legitimately do care and can be turned around like Walter Jones, so maybe it's worth a try but unless you got a spot on K Street, good luck!

I'm becoming more and more convinced that before anything meaningful can be accomplished, we have to engage the general population and convince them to stop listening to the statist media. Once the propaganda arm loses its grip, possibilities are endless. Channeling our efforts only into politics will be guaranteed futile.

[devil21]

Why would Scheuer lie about this?

Well, I first question his honesty if he asserts 'ISIS' is anything other than a intelligence agency controlled entity. Second, he's CIA and...well....he's CIA. It's not really an observation on this video in particular, just in general it's a good idea to avoid putting trust in anyone coming from Langley.

[Anti-Neocon]

Well, I first question his honesty if he asserts 'ISIS' is anything other than a intelligence agency controlled entity. Second, he's CIA and...well....he's CIA. It's not really an observation on this video in particular, just in general it's a good idea to avoid putting trust in anyone coming from Langley.
He is ex-CIA. Do you think a memo appeared on his desk saying "We control ISIS - Signed, the CIA"?

The fact is there are "softballs" that we can crush out of the park because they are demonstrably true. See: our foreign policy making the rise of ISIS powerful, both through recruitment and weapons. He is trying to make an appeal to the public. Unless he has that hypothetical memo on his desk and is able to show it as physical evidence, making unprovable assertions is just going to make him look like a certifiable conspiratard and the media will use that to make people shut their ears to him.

To me, him not making the assertion that you would like from him signifies one thing - that he's not stupid. Because if you're trying to influence public opinion, that would be an incredibly stupid thing to do.

[devil21]

He is ex-CIA. Do you think a memo appeared on his desk saying "We control ISIS - Signed, the CIA"?

The fact is there are "softballs" that we can crush out of the park because they are demonstrably true. See: our foreign policy making the rise of ISIS powerful, both through recruitment and weapons. He is trying to make an appeal to the public. Unless he has that hypothetical memo on his desk and is able to show it as physical evidence, making unprovable assertions is just going to make him look like a certifiable conspiratard and the media will use that to make people shut their ears to him.

To me, him not making the assertion that you would like from him signifies one thing - that he's not stupid. Because if you're trying to influence public opinion, that would be an incredibly stupid thing to do.

Oh so I'm a stupid conspiratard? That's funny considering I've pegged this "ISIS cover story as an excuse to attack Syria" thing for months right here on RPF, pretty much nailed it exactly to a tee since July when ISIS was introduced. I'm thinking Scheuer may be classic controlled opposition and just because he was loosely associated with RP2008 doesn't negate his history as a career CIA man. If you wish to trust someone that ran the 'bin Laden desk' at Langely, knowing what is now known about the fakery that was bin Laden that's your choice. I don't trust the guy further than I can throw him.

[Anti-Neocon]

Oh so I'm a stupid conspiratard? That's funny considering I've pegged this "ISIS cover story as an excuse to attack Syria" thing for months right here on RPF, pretty much nailed it exactly to a tee since July when ISIS was introduced. I'm thinking Scheuer may be classic controlled opposition and just because he was loosely associated with RP2008 doesn't negate his history as a career CIA man. If you wish to trust someone that ran the 'bin Laden desk' at Langely, knowing what is now known about the fakery that was bin Laden that's your choice. I don't trust the guy further than I can throw him.
Did I ever say that? No, but if you say what you just said in this thread on national TV, your reception will be terrible because you will be easily painted as a conspiratard, even if you aren't. Scheuer picks his battles wisely, which is the wise thing to do. How much "controlled opposition" focuses on Israel as Scheuer does? He still maintains credibility despite his outspoken opinion on Israel, which is key.

[vita3]

I'd like to hear Scheuer discuss Turkey & it's support of ISIS & suppression of the Kurds.

[tangent4ronpaul]

When Scheuer speaks, I sit up straight. I trust the guy completely. Try and catch whenever he's on C-SPAN or a news channel and read his blog fairly often:

http://non-intervention.com/

He knows of what he speaks.

-t