The sexual threats against Emma Watson are an attack on every woman

[fisharmor]

http://www.vox.com/2014/9/23/6832243/the-sexual-threats-against-emma-watson-are-an-attack-on-women?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=vox&utm_content=article-share-top

I'm not posting the article contents, because seriously, do you care? I didn't even finish reading the third paragraph of this pap.

*THIS* is what gets Facebook and Twitter chatter.

I've pointed out to my FB contacts who are boosting this ridiculous signal that I posted Eric Peters' article on cops raping women (http://ericpetersautos.com/2014/09/25/want-avoid-getting-raped-cop) and not one of them even said boo.

And also, that this is why nobody takes feminism seriously.

[2young2vote]

The internet is srs business.

[pessimist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lzQ_9wZ1xE

[pessimist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYgBMavnaFA

[ZENemy]

Anyone notice the unreal resurgence of feminism and women victims memes?

They are setting the stage for Hillary to be the first WOMEN president. But first they need to create despair so that she may rise as a hero when she is installed unto the throne.

If you disagree with me you are a sexist by the way.

[Danke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYgBMavnaFA

What did she just say?

[pessimist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eae27NqnIyM

[Anti Federalist]

Who the fuck is Emma Watson, why is she being sexually threatened and, why should I care?

ETA - So this moron is responding to 4chan trolls...genius.

http://batshitcrazynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Amy.png

http://static1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/4616607+_fdd99547f35749d778076a560023f857.gif

[Brian4Liberty]

Anyone notice the unreal resurgence of feminism and women victims memes?

They are setting the stage for Hillary to be the first WOMEN president. But first they need to create despair so that she may rise as a hero when she is installed unto the throne.


If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. War on women! Hillary 2016!

And for those who don't remember or missed it, they did the exact same thing before Obama got elected. The media pushed the "Black in America" themes ad nauseum for two years prior to Obama's election. Conditioning the masses.

[MelissaWV]

I know, right? That feminist drivel. If only someone would have the balls to say something more along the lines of


...to date, I’ve seen my father’s role as a parent being valued less by society, despite my need of his presence as a child, as much as my mother’s. I’ve seen young men suffering from mental illness, unable to ask for help for fear it would make them less of a man. In fact, in the UK, suicide is the biggest killer of men between 20 to 49, eclipsing road accidents, cancer and coronary heart disease. I’ve seen men made fragile and insecure by a distorted sense of what constitutes male success. Men don’t have the benefits of equality, either.

[dannno]

Who the fuck is Emma Watson, why is she being sexually threatened and, why should I care?

ETA - So this moron is responding to 4chan trolls...genius.



Apparently the threats were a hoax that came from a shell company that was trying to get 4chan shut down. But it doesn't matter according to the article, because feminism.

[Brian4Liberty]

Who the fuck is Emma Watson...


Girl in the Harry Potter movies. A whole generation of young boys grew up fantasizing about her. Similar fan-base as Emma Stone.

[CaptainAmerica]

I do seasonal work, I just happened to be running a register in a textile department when a middle age woman said to another cashier who was female "I need your opinion on this product,I'm sure he couldn't help me out because it is a girly opinion"...all it had to do with was whether or not the textile matched the color of her walls. I am an artist, I paint,I draw and make music,I like gardens and yes I love color because that to me is how God created this beautiful earth...but somehow because I am a man I am treated as if I am incompetent with color and artistic design whether it comes to framing art work, to helping a customer pick colors...I am not color blind and I even had a coworker say "Did you know 99 percent of men are colorblind?"...so there you have it, the flip side to sexism from people who claim to want equal rights that I know directly, not saying that everyone is like that but it goes both ways . I could care less about what was said, I just smile about it and let them do what it is they do but I can say that I do have some empathy for people like Emma Watson who expressed her passion to direct a play, its what she is good at and wants to do so why not? should I be labeled because I like color and art? God forbid me from planting a garden too...that would be oh so unmanly according to some women.

[Danke]

I do seasonal work, I just happened to be running a register in a textile department when a middle age woman said to another cashier who was female "I need your opinion on this product,I'm sure he couldn't help me out because it is a girly opinion"...all it had to do with was whether or not the textile matched the color of her walls. I am an artist, I paint,I draw and make music,I like gardens and yes I love color because that to me is how God created this beautiful earth...but somehow because I am a man I am treated as if I am incompetent with color and artistic design whether it comes to framing art work, to helping a customer pick colors...

If you have let her know you were gay I'm sure she would have respected your opinion.

[Carlybee]

Actually since I believe true feminism means refusing to be a victim, I don't pay much attention to this junk. If someone is threatening to rape you...hunt them down and take them out. :).

[dannno]

Actually since I believe true feminism means refusing to be a victim, I don't pay much attention to this junk. If someone is threatening to rape you...hunt them down and take them out. :).

I think they were threatening to release pictures of her with jiz on her face.

[Carlybee]

I think they were threatening to release pictures of her with jiz on her face.


We'll...don't have pictures taken with that on your face is all I have to say.

[juleswin]

I know, right? That feminist drivel. If only someone would have the balls to say something more along the lines of

Whoa, she threw men a bone. Isnt she merciful? Sorry but these folks are not planning to do squat about it any of the things she just talked about concerning me, its still a women centric movement. We have know for eons that boy were lagging in language subjects but nothing has been done about it and on the other hand, the school systems are being overhauled to help women perform better in STEM fields. Scholarships, research, massive funds have been thrown at this problem and even more as women have been to surpass men in higher education.

Feminism is not about equal right, at least they could learn from the civil rights movement by asking for some affirmative action and reparation instead of insulting our intelligence by trying to fool us into thinking they are for equal rights.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZKeqenZbJk

[MelissaWV]

Way to miss the entire point. I don't want anyone to "do anything" in an institutionalized way. "Doing things" is what's fucked things up to begin with. However, if people are going to whine about men's rights being trampled as some kind of warped reasoning for why no one should ever use the term "feminism" in a positive light, then perhaps they should read up on what they're discussing.

You are free to self-educate on the subject of language, and pass that knowledge to your sons or other young men in your community. I'm sure they will become rich once their language skills are perfected. The issue of STEM jobs is far greater than the idiotic patch of "helping girls succeed" will ever address. The schools in this nation are failing both genders when it comes to technical knowledge. Producing a mediocre batch of graduates where the females are slightly less mediocre than the males is not praiseworthy stuff.

If you would like to be sad over how there's not enough Government resources devoted to developing boys' skills, go for it. I would prefer they do less across the board.

[William Tell]

Girl in the Harry Potter movies. A whole generation of young boys grew up fantasizing about her. Similar fan-base as Emma Stone.

But who the hell is Emma Stone?

[William Tell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZKeqenZbJk

'She for he' sounds good :D

[juleswin]

The post I was replying to was one that gave the impression that since the feminist Emma Watson said a few token words about the struggles me face. That somehow that signified a shift in their agenda. I replied telling you that despite the few words about men, feminism and this re-branded version is still about doing stuff for women. This is still are not coming anything close to the dictionary definition of feminism which is the fight for equal rights for both men and women.

If I am still missing your point, I apologize, but please do tell me what was your original point.

[Anti Federalist]

But who the hell is Emma Stone?

Was my follow up question.

[William Tell]

Was my follow up question.
I actually know who Emma Watson is, though. Although I have never seen any of her movies.

[MelissaWV]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLBSoC_2IY8

(Relevance: go in to about the 5:19 mark and she does "All I Do Is Win," which is the soundtrack to one of the more awesome Ron Paul videos.)

[Brian4Liberty]

But who the hell is Emma Stone?


Was my follow up question.

:D

[RonPaulIsGreat]

Blah, threats from strangers over the internet......who cares.

[pessimist]

The post I was replying to was one that gave the impression that since the feminist Emma Watson said a few token words about the struggles me face. That somehow that signified a shift in their agenda. I replied telling you that despite the few words about men, feminism and this re-branded version is still about doing stuff for women. This is still are not coming anything close to the dictionary definition of feminism which is the fight for equal rights for both men and women.

If I am still missing your point, I apologize, but please do tell me what was your original point.


I agree that the term "feminism" is quite ambiguous nowadays. I mean, you have everyone from the street-walking hooker, the cashier at the 7-11, the lonely housewife, the factory worker, the man-hating lesbian, the porn star who gets gang-banged on camera, the elementary school teacher, the RN, to the erudite college professor all claiming to be a feminist.

What is it? It offers no clear definition.

With that said: you sound like you've taken on a victim mentality. To claim that men are somehow a 'victim' of women or feminism is laughable. I agree that the educational system sucks- there is no reason why a kid who either will end up becoming a construction worker or mechanic or an electrician or a plumber being forced into a curriculum that preps them for higher education, and favors those with higher verbal IQs. That's not the fault of feminism, though.

Are there no vo-tech schools anymore? I think the Germans have it right.

[phill4paul]

Thank gawd I grew up in an era when men were men and women were woman. Thanks mom and dad for setting a good example!

[William Tell]

:D

I hope you 2 will be very happy together, she looks cute:)

[pcosmar]

Emma Peel I remember..

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3fmbmaLi718/S9HJ_v-P3LI/AAAAAAAAB2I/6W8MczWeU7k/s1600/emmapeel.jpg

These other Emmas,, not a clue.

[juleswin]

I agree that the term "feminism" is quite ambiguous nowadays. I mean, you have everyone from the street-walking hooker, the cashier at the 7-11, the lonely housewife, the factory worker, the man-hating lesbian, the porn star who gets gang-banged on camera, the elementary school teacher, the RN, to the erudite college professor all claiming to be a feminist.

What is it? It offers no clear definition.

With that said: you sound like you've taken on a victim mentality. To claim that men are somehow a 'victim' of women or feminism is laughable. I agree that the educational system sucks- there is no reason why a kid who either will end up becoming a construction worker or mechanic or an electrician or a plumber being forced into a curriculum that preps them for higher education, and favors those with higher verbal IQs. That's not the fault of feminism, though.

Are there no vo-tech schools anymore? I think the Germans have it right.

I dont quite understand the problem with diverse professionals and people calling them feminists. I hope more people adhered to the dictionary definition of feminism. But to your second paragraph, I refer to that to show that men and women are both victims depending of the area being discussed but movement feminism wants to elevate the problems faced by women as somehow greater than that men face.

Some of the problems men and women face cannot be solved by govt or society, they are just problem that arise because of human nature. Women will always be handicapped by the fact that they are the child bearers, the same goes for men when there aren't enough space in the life boat of a sinking ship. Tinker with this dynamic in favor of one gender and you hurt the others and this is why I oppose movement feminism.

[fr33]

I hate the headline but I'll be sure to let my wife know she's been attacked.

I didn't really have much of a problem with Emma Watson's speech. She talked about realities that some and all of us live in.

[pessimist]

I dont quite understand the problem with diverse professionals and people calling them feminists. I hope more people adhered to the dictionary definition of feminism.


I meant that some self-proclaimed feminists wouldn't consider the woman who has five guys stuffing a penis into every opening of her body as a real feminist, even though she may view herself as one. Some wouldn't consider a woman who chooses a traditional role in life as one either. Feminists can't even agree on a definition.


I hope more people adhered to the dictionary definition of feminism.

We do have equal rights though. There is nothing stopping one from attempting to achieve something in this country. However, as you alluded to, there are biological differences between the sexes, and there are genetic differences between individuals that prevent a truly egalitarian society.

There is no way I could ever become an NBA player, for example. I am just not athletic or fast enough for it. That doesn't mean I couldn't do something to become involved in the organization though.


I refer to that to show that men and women are both victims depending of the area being discussed but movement feminism wants to elevate the problems faced by women as somehow greater than that men face.

Men still hold most of the institutional power and wealth in this country. In fact, this is the case for the entire globe.


Some of the problems men and women face cannot be solved by govt or society, they are just problem that arise because of human nature.

I don't think we're at a stage in the West where a (collective) gender faces a 'crisis'. I think it's more about economic class than anything else.

[pessimist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lzQ_9wZ1xE

Didn't anyone watch this video? The guy on the right tried to explain how men are victims of women rapists- even the host (who apparently supported his cause) couldn't contain his laughter.

[fisharmor]

I meant that some self-proclaimed feminists wouldn't consider the woman who has five guys stuffing a penis into every opening of her body as a real feminist, even though she may view herself as one. Some wouldn't consider a woman who chooses a traditional role in life as one either. Feminists can't even agree on a definition.

But my point is that they DO agree on a definition.
The "Attack on Women" article is, as far as I can tell, common knowledge among feminists on FB and Twitter & such.
The writers who write on feminism choose to focus on a hoax rather than on real issues. The article I posted actually admits that the whole thing is a hoax, and goes on to say how it doesn't matter, it's still horrible.

I had an interesting conversation with several feminists on FB about this. Some of them bothered to look up the story about the OK police chief, and found some sycophantic article claiming that he's being taken out of context.
But none of them even knew that was even a thing. All feminists know what's going on with Watson - none of them know how likely it is to get raped by a cop and how little recourse there will be afterward.

The reason I don't take feminism seriously is because the group is generally too busy talking about teenage pranksters to recognize that women actually get raped by actual patriarchs and other actual patriarchs cover it up.

[fisharmor]

Emma Peel I remember..
She kicks ass on Game of Thrones. ;)

[dude58677]

Rand Paul would say we are all individuals and we all have a right to defend ourselves.

[pessimist]

But my point is that they DO agree on a definition.
The "Attack on Women" article is, as far as I can tell, common knowledge among feminists on FB and Twitter & such.
The writers who write on feminism choose to focus on a hoax rather than on real issues. The article I posted actually admits that the whole thing is a hoax, and goes on to say how it doesn't matter, it's still horrible.

I had an interesting conversation with several feminists on FB about this. Some of them bothered to look up the story about the OK police chief, and found some sycophantic article claiming that he's being taken out of context.
But none of them even knew that was even a thing. All feminists know what's going on with Watson - none of them know how likely it is to get raped by a cop and how little recourse there will be afterward.

The reason I don't take feminism seriously is because the group is generally too busy talking about teenage pranksters to recognize that women actually get raped by actual patriarchs and other actual patriarchs cover it up.

My point was that the feminist 'movement' isn't homogenized- it's fragmented and has become high school cliquey- just like a subculture. There are groups out there who genuinely care about womens rights and are focused on real issues though. You can't discount them.

[Weston White]

Should any of us—females included—be shocked that the (so-called) feminist movement moralizes a romance-story playwright who is the proud owner of three failed marriages; an unethical journalist, who after reading her husband notes, etc., then finally putting two-and-two together, publicly exposed her first husband’s source (Deep Throat) in the Watergate scandal; who believes that institutions of higher education aught to be tasked with getting its students onboard with forwarding social agendas, be it statism, globalism, or feminism; and who championed Hilary Clinton—herself fired for corruption pertaining to Watergate, Nora Ephron?

Perhaps, it is true what they say, when it comes to feminism, fervid is misery made by its company?

So when I disagree with Hilary Clinton, I do so only because I am a misogynist, never may it be the case that my disagreement is because she is incorrect, negligent, misguided, deceitful, or whatnot? So what does it make a female that disagrees with Hilary Clinton, a traitorous bitch-whore, dishonest to the advancing cause of all other females, past, present, and future?

Is this sounding familiar yet or am I merely channeling spiteful tinges of Obama-tact? (Except in his case I would be labeled not a misogynist, but a racist.)

What about males who are threatened with battery or death; being financially neutered; or with having their families robbed, raped, and killed; or having photos of their drug abuse or infidelities publicly released unless they start toeing the line?

So what is the real issue here that females prefer to be equally threatened with battery and death or occupational termination—just as their male counterparts—than with sexual perversion or depravity by those that disagree with their agenda?

In the timeless words of Kevin Spacey (Lloyd) in “The Ref”:


“You know what I'm going to get you for Christmas, Mom? A big wooden cross, so that every time you feel unappreciated for your sacrifices, you can climb on up and nail yourself to it.”

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Men still hold most of the...wealth in this country.


Spent by most of the women in this country.

[Brian4Liberty]

Emma Peel I remember..

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3fmbmaLi718/S9HJ_v-P3LI/AAAAAAAAB2I/6W8MczWeU7k/s1600/emmapeel.jpg

These other Emmas,, not a clue.

All I ever knew about Emma Peel was a song...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSt-zoLz4l4

[Brian4Liberty]

I hope you 2 will be very happy together, she looks cute:)

No doubt she is.

What was expected was the response that AF wouldn't know who she was... ;)

What they have in common is that they are very attractive (and both named Emma), but not top notch, from "Hollywood" standards. Maybe 8 out of 10s. Of course they would stand out in any ordinary room full of people. They also play somewhat nerdy characters. It makes them seem "accessible" to ordinary guys.

In that vein, I would be more Dana Scully than any Emmas...

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[The Bavarian]

the truth is out there....

[Spikender]

"Understand," she said, "every attack on Hillary Clinton for not knowing her place is an attack on you." We must all take such attacks personally, she argued: "Underneath almost all those attacks are the words: Get back, get back to where you once belonged."

Hillary's "place" is underneath a pile of the dead bodies of every life she's responsible for fucking over or ending, just like all of her ilk.

I don't play gender favoritism when it comes to cursing out these assholes.

Regardless, I'm too much of a self-centered person right now to care what "women" as a whole do, as if all women are on the same team. Maybe some men out there really do care about the gender of those in power, but I would kill to have a person who cares for liberty in high places whether they're a man or woman.

[KingNothing]

"Feminist" tend to be so far from rational at this point that the term is almost an insult. They're just progressive shills.

No, the wage gap is not real. No, all drunken sex is not rape. No, there is no rape culture. No, twenty, thirty or forty percent of women, or whatever percentage they want to throw out today, have not been raped. No, calling a man or woman a "bitch" or "pussy," is not inherently misogynistic. No, the term "bossy," is not emblematic of a patriarchal society that oppresses women.

They've earned their scorn by dis-empowering the very group they're ostensibly trying to support. Feminists seem absurd now because they make absurd arguments and fight for absurd things.

[Weston White]

Didn't anyone watch this video? The guy on the right tried to explain how men are victims of women rapists- even the host (who apparently supported his cause) couldn't contain his laughter.

To show one possible scenario: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/seattle-woman-raped-sleeping-man-police-article-1.1938146

However, the much greater concern should be when and where the FBI acquired the authority to redefine statutory definitions?

[PaulConventionWV]

It always amazes me how people manage to make a big deal out of stuff people say on 4chan.

[PaulConventionWV]

Didn't anyone watch this video? The guy on the right tried to explain how men are victims of women rapists- even the host (who apparently supported his cause) couldn't contain his laughter.

It happens. Why is that not relevant?

[pessimist]

To show one possible scenario: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/seattle-woman-raped-sleeping-man-police-article-1.1938146

However, the much greater concern should be when and where the FBI acquired the authority to redefine statutory definitions?

Yeah, everyone knows it's possible but it's just not common at all, and not freaking likely to happen.

Sadly, females have to be aware that there is a possibility of rape because it happens all the time to them. Mostly by the men they know, but they are much more likely to be date raped at a party, or raped at gun-point in a backalley.

[cajuncocoa]

We'll...don't have pictures taken with that on your face is all I have to say.
Probably too simple for a Hollywood starlet.

[pessimist]

It happens. Why is that not relevant?

A man is much more likely to be raped by another man.

You need to give some pretty extreme examples of women raping men.

[Weston White]

Yeah, everyone knows it's possible but it's just not common at all, and not freaking likely to happen.

Sadly, females have to be aware that there is a possibility of rape because it happens all the time to them. Mostly by the men they know, but they are much more likely to be date raped at a party, or raped at gun-point in a backalley.


In the beginning of the movie Moore attempts to rape Douglas in her office the first night after she becomes his boss. The rest of the movie is about the sexual harassment charges and countercharges, but there is much more going on in the plot that just that.

Disclosure (1994) (http://www.imdb.com/reviews/34/3476.html)


In asking 40,000 households about rape and sexual violence, the survey uncovered that 38 percent of incidents were against men.
. . .
The experience of men and women is “a lot closer than any of us would expect,” she says. For some kinds of victimization, men and women have roughly equal experiences. Stemple concluded that we need to “completely rethink our assumptions about sexual victimization,” and especially our fallback model that men are always the perpetrators and women the victims.
. . .
When those cases were taken into account, the rates of nonconsensual sexual contact basically equalized, with 1.270 million women and 1.267 million men claiming to be victims of sexual violence.
. . .
A recent analysis of BJS data, for example, turned up that 46 percent of male victims reported a female perpetrator.
. . .
For example, of juveniles reporting staff sexual misconduct, 89 percent were boys reporting abuse by a female staff member. In total, inmates reported an astronomical 900,000 incidents of sexual abuse.

When Men Are Raped: A new study reveals that men are often the victims of sexual assault, and women are often the perpetrators. (http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/male_rape_in_america_a_new_study_reveals_that_men_ are_sexually_assaulted.html)



Nearly 3 in 10 women and 1 in 10 men in the United States have experienced rape, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner and reported at least one impact related to experiencing these or other forms of violent behavior in the relationship (e.g., being fearful, concerned for safety, post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) symptoms, need for health care, injury, contacting a crisis hotline, need for housing services, need for victim’s advocate services, need for legal services, missed at least one day of work or school).

http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf


We concluded that federal surveys detect a high prevalence of sexual victimization among men—in many circumstances similar to the prevalence found among women. We identified factors that perpetuate misperceptions about men’s sexual victimization: reliance on traditional gender stereotypes, outdated and inconsistent definitions, and methodological sampling biases that exclude inmates.

http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2014.301946?journalCode=ajph&

[KingNothing]

Men can be raped by women, but... c'mon. Really? Really?

[pessimist]

A recent analysis of BJS data, for example, turned up that 46 percent of male victims reported a female perpetrator.

so that would mean the majority still would have been men raped/sexually assaulted by other men. And really…46 percent? Does this include drugging, enslavement, and violent intercourse?

I'm sorry but most men simply do not fear being raped by a woman. You can toss out any stat you want to support your argument, but you'll have a hard time convincing everyone that women are just as likely to be violent rapists as men are.

As for the domestic abuse thing... I'll buy into that, but I think women are more likely to verbally abuse than to physically beat their husbands...I mean, how many stories do you hear of a woman coming home drunk, beating her kids, and putting her husband’s head through a wall?

No doubt they can fly into a rage just as men do, but I just don't believe that they violently assault and batter in the way men do to them.

Most violent crime and murder are committed by men, btw.

[Weston White]

No doubt they can fly into a rage just as men do, but I just don't believe that they violently assault and batter in the way men do to them.

Most violent crime and murder are committed by men, btw.

3:10 to 1:10, thus women are about 2/3 more likely to be sexually battered or raped by somebody they are close to, e.g., their "partner"... these are not fifty to one odds, these are not a million in one chance, this is not a then I might just as well play the Lotto situation.

...And while on the subject just how many men drown all of their children, put their babies into microwaves, or shoot their entire family, and for no apparent reason or without any relatable justification?

[osan]

And also, that this is why nobody takes feminism seriously.

Feminists do.

[juleswin]

Men can be raped by women, but... c'mon. Really? Really?

lol, that is usually the point where some of the MRAs loose me. If a man doesn't want to be "raped", he will not be raped. The same goes with physical abuse. But just like every rule there are few exception

[osan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYgBMavnaFA

Good golly Miss Molly... her juggs arrive in a room three minutes before the rest of her. How, pray tell, does that small woman not tip over onto her face 40 times an hour?

[osan]

What did she just say?

She was talking?

[osan]

I don't play gender favoritism when it comes to cursing out these assholes.

PEEVE ALERT

You meant to write that you don't play SEX favoritism. Gender is not a characteristic of living beings. Gender attaches only to NOUNS.

Now, if you have good sense, you will be quietly embarrassed by this and will learn not to make the error a second time after this.

No charge... this time.

[enhanced_deficit]

The sexual threats against Emma Watson are an attack on every woman




Using this logic, drone attack that killed grandma of Nabila Rehman (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?431958-Girl-who-survived-Obama-drone-attack-is-younger-than-his-daughter) is a drone attack on every grandma.


Feminist Hillary Clinton, who became grandma today, could have ever said this to swc dronegansta while she was reporting to him?

[PaulConventionWV]

A man is much more likely to be raped by another man.

You need to give some pretty extreme examples of women raping men.

But why is it not relevant?

[PaulConventionWV]

Men can be raped by women, but... c'mon. Really? Really?

What do you mean, really? If it happens, isn't it important enough to report? I don't understand why we need to ignore these things when we all acknowledge that they happen. Why is a man's rape so much less important?

[PaulConventionWV]

so that would mean the majority still would have been men raped/sexually assaulted by other men. And really…46 percent? Does this include drugging, enslavement, and violent intercourse?

I'm sorry but most men simply do not fear being raped by a woman. You can toss out any stat you want to support your argument, but you'll have a hard time convincing everyone that women are just as likely to be violent rapists as men are.

As for the domestic abuse thing... I'll buy into that, but I think women are more likely to verbally abuse than to physically beat their husbands...I mean, how many stories do you hear of a woman coming home drunk, beating her kids, and putting her husband’s head through a wall?

No doubt they can fly into a rage just as men do, but I just don't believe that they violently assault and batter in the way men do to them.

Most violent crime and murder are committed by men, btw.

Nobody's saying that. All I'm saying is why are we trying to ignore it as if it's not even something to be considered?

[PaulConventionWV]

lol, that is usually the point where some of the MRAs loose me. If a man doesn't want to be "raped", he will not be raped. The same goes with physical abuse. But just like every rule there are few exception

How do you know this is always true? Men HAVE been raped, so why ignore it? "If a man doesn't want to be raped" suggests that anybody can want rape, which is ridiculous on its face. It has happened, and therefore it was NOT wanted. So why is it treated as meaningless if it really does happen? How would you like it if your rape was treated as non-important? I'm sure the guys who were raped face some pretty harsh victim-blaming and opposition from society because of people like you who, for some reason, think it's okay to belittle one kind of rape and aggrandize another. Nobody's rape should be "no big deal."

And yes, I realize that men really should be able to defend themselves, but in the rare situations where they are unable, it should not be dismissed as being less harmful or degrading than a woman's rape. If anything, it's more harmful and degrading just by virtue of the fact that it happens. And society thinks it's okay to just dismiss those cases and justice need not be pursued. Even if the man is a wimp for getting raped, that doesn't mean it's suddenly okay to blame the victim and value justice less.

[pessimist]

What do you mean, really? If it happens, isn't it important enough to report? I don't understand why we need to ignore these things when we all acknowledge that they happen. Why is a man's rape so much less important?

It's just not a big issue because women are consistently raped and men are not (at least by women). That is not downplaying it at all, it's not a widespread problem the way male/female rape is.

[liberty2897]

It's just not a big issue because women are consistently raped and men are not (at least by women). That is not downplaying it at all, it's not a widespread problem the way male/female rape is.

Depends on your definition of rape... if you mean sexual penetration, then probably true. If you mean rape of the mind, then you haven't met the same women I have. The world in here (in the US) *revolves* around the women and their ideals or else....

[Weston White]

It's just not a big issue because women are consistently raped and men are not (at least by women). That is not downplaying it at all, it's not a widespread problem the way male/female rape is.

..And you know idiots used to hold this very same warped mentality before rape laws were amended to take spousal rape into consideration.

[fr33]

Men can be raped by women, but... c'mon. Really? Really?

It happens to the weak spaghetti-armed men and the passed-out drunk men. A percentage of the latter don't really care and only wish they would have been awake.

[pessimist]

Depends on your definition of rape... if you mean sexual penetration, then probably true. If you mean rape of the mind, then you haven't met the same women I have. The world in here (in the US) *revolves* around the women and their ideals or else....

I don't know how to respond to this. Can you rephrase it? I'm not entirely sure what you mean.

I hope you're not comparing a 'victim'of a nagging wife, which a husband could freely leave, to a victim of a violent rape which carries lifelong scars and a multitude of health issues.

[pessimist]

..And you know idiots used to hold this very same warped mentality before rape laws were amended to take spousal rape into consideration.

.....

[pessimist]

..And you know idiots used to hold this very same warped mentality before rape laws were amended to take spousal rape into consideration.

Parents don't worry about their sons getting raped by girls for a reason.

[Danke]

I've had women drug my drinks with Viagra and later tie me up. Have any of you gone to ER with Priapism? It is not pleasant.
.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Anybody else read pessimist's posts and think he might be a woman?

[MelissaWV]

I've had women drug my drinks with Viagra and later tie me up. Have any of you gone to ER with Priapism? It is not pleasant.
.

True story: we had a patient who took way too many pills and his wife finally convinced him to go to the hospital after a week. Things had to be drained, and not in the pleasant way at all. The term "gray discharge" was distinctly used. Pretty sure he had long term vascular tissue damage, as one might expect.

* * *

As to the pessimist thing, no, I don't think he's a woman. I think he's a particular type of guy who always takes what he thinks is a woman-friendly position to ingratiate himself. Sometimes --- hell, most of the time --- it is really over the top and even the ladies are just looking at the post wondering "wtf?" It's akin to a lot of the guys who'll join NOW protests or even became hippies. "We're just here for the Free Love chicks."

* * *

Finally, at this point, every time I see the thread title it brings a song to mind...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7_sqdkaAfo

...and so I now hate this thread for that reason.

[FloralScent]

PEEVE ALERT

You meant to write that you don't play SEX favoritism. Gender is not a characteristic of living beings. Gender attaches only to NOUNS.

Gordon Liddy? lol...he used to loose his shit over this very subject on his radio show. It's a pet peeve of mine as well. This and "humankind", "police officer", "firefighter"...etc.

[pessimist]

Anybody else read pessimist's posts and think he might be a woman?

Lol there is nothing feminine about me, except maybe my anxiety disorders.

[pessimist]

* * *

As to the pessimist thing, no, I don't think he's a woman. I think he's a particular type of guy who always takes what he thinks is a woman-friendly position to ingratiate himself. Sometimes --- hell, most of the time --- it is really over the top and even the ladies are just looking at the post wondering "wtf?" It's akin to a lot of the guys who'll join NOW protests or even became hippies. "We're just here for the Free Love chicks."

* * *.

Lol why on earth would I choose a liberterian forum full of manly gun-lovers and old school values in attempt to pick up virtual chicks?

I'd just go to some feminist site or some other female heavy place and pretend to be gay.

I just have different brain wiring or something... I was misdiagnosed as an aspie as a child.

[William Tell]

* * *

As to the pessimist thing, no, I don't think he's a woman. I think he's a particular type of guy who always takes what he thinks is a woman-friendly position to ingratiate himself. Sometimes --- hell, most of the time --- it is really over the top and even the ladies are just looking at the post wondering "wtf?" It's akin to a lot of the guys who'll join NOW protests or even became hippies. "We're just here for the Free Love chicks."

* * *


Yeah, I think so too.

[William Tell]

Lol why on earth would I choose a liberterian forum full of manly gun-lovers and old school values in attempt to pick up virtual chicks?

I'd just go to some feminist site or some other female heavy place and pretend to be gay.


She is not saying you are here for chicks, she is saying you have an attitude of sucking up to women in ways that even they think are weird.

[pessimist]

She is not saying you are here for chicks, she is saying you have an attitude of sucking up to women in ways that even they think are weird.

What makes it even weirder is that I'm not sucking up to women. I just have own opinions.

I'm not a feminist, nor do I belong to any group, and you'd have to pay me to vote for Hilary Clinton or march in the streets for any cause.

You will never see we me arguing any of the democratic talking points or feign outrage by whatever got the chicks at jezebel all fired up.

I just see the world differently. No act here.

[osan]

lol, that is usually the point where some of the MRAs loose me. If a man doesn't want to be "raped", he will not be raped.

Assuming "raped by a woman", that is not necessarily true. If the girl has a .45 at your head and means what she says, you will oblige her... unless you really do not care whether you are shot through the head. When life is at stake, little Juleswin will stand to perfect attention on command. I would also note that one does not have to be "turned on" to achieve a boner. My understanding is that nurses get comatose men up in order to facilitate the changing of catheters. This is what I've been told, but my lack of direct experience there disqualifies the assertion as quote-worthy.


The same goes with physical abuse. But just like every rule there are few exception

You appear to use cite statistical rarity to... what, exactly... minimize validity? I would also take issue with your implication that female-on-male physical abuse is rare. It is certainly rarely reported, probably for reasons very similar to the ones underlying the under reportage of rape. Stigma, real or imagined, is a powerful motivator.

What's good for the goose must also be good for the gander. If it is worthy of ruckus when woman is the victim, equally so is it when a man is on the short end. Few things in this life are as despicably invalid as hypocrisy.

[Wooden Indian]

...and the passed-out drunk men. A percentage of the latter don't really care and only wish they would have been awake.

When I was 18 a 40'ish woman forced herself on me while I was blind drunk and on some pills she gave me. The next day, I could remember only in an almost dream like recollection what happened.

She was LARGE and old... and it wasn't funny. Biker type chick up in Knoxville, TN. So, in case anyone was wondering, yes.. it does still work under those circumstances. Your little fella will just respond even when you don't want it. At least as a teenager it will.

[thoughtomator]

I've had women drug my drinks with Viagra and later tie me up. Have any of you gone to ER with Priapism? It is not pleasant.
.

We're not worthy!
We're not worthy!

[pessimist]

This thread is hilarious. Does anyone see the irony here?

I am being accused of being some effeminate fairy or some slimy douchebag trying to gain favor with women- yet I am not the one sounding like the woman here.

Do you guys realize that how girly and unmanly you sound? Are you aware of how you’re victimizing yourselves? You’re crying because an extremely small and insignificant percentage of women ‘rape' men. You’re whining about ‘equal rights’. You’re completely sounding like the feminists you apparently loathe and feel like you’re victims of.

I am actually taking the more traditional masculine stance here. I am recognizing that men, not only are physically bigger, faster, stronger- they are just simply more biologically equipped to rape.

No real man fears being raped by a woman. Period.

[pessimist]

Assuming "raped by a woman", that is not necessarily true. If the girl has a .45 at your head and means what she says, you will oblige her... unless you really do not care whether you are shot through the head..


:rolleyes:

I don't know about you, but there is no way I could become aroused with a gun pointed at my head.

[juleswin]

Assuming "raped by a woman", that is not necessarily true. If the girl has a .45 at your head and means what she says, you will oblige her... unless you really do not care whether you are shot through the head. When life is at stake, little Juleswin will stand to perfect attention on command. I would also note that one does not have to be "turned on" to achieve a boner. My understanding is that nurses get comatose men up in order to facilitate the changing of catheters. This is what I've been told, but my lack of direct experience there disqualifies the assertion as quote-worthy.

True, one doesn't have to be turned on to achieve a boner but when you have your fight or flight response activated, blood is actually taken away from the urinary system to other vital parts of the body which kinda makes it harder to achieve a boner. But I am talking about the real world and since we are talking about achieving a boner, I would assume that we are also talking about penetration rape. So try and imagine position that you could do with the rapist while she still has effective control of the gun against you? cos I cant think of one

Also I am in nursing school now and we are told to give the patient time for a boner to die town if they happen to have one when you are trying to put a foley catheter on. You can put a catheter fine just without a boner. Lol,if nurses knew of the secrete of raising a really dead wood, they haven't taught us that yet and if I don't know it, then I doubt some random chick trying to foolishly rape you with a .45 doesn't knows it either.




You appear to use cite statistical rarity to... what, exactly... minimize validity? I would also take issue with your implication that female-on-male physical abuse is rare. It is certainly rarely reported, probably for reasons very similar to the ones underlying the under reportage of rape. Stigma, real or imagined, is a powerful motivator.

What's good for the goose must also be good for the gander. If it is worthy of ruckus when woman is the victim, equally so is it when a man is on the short end. Few things in this life are as despicably invalid as hypocrisy.

I agree with some of the things you said but my point is that men being abused by female is only possible except in very rare cases if the man allows it. I hate to break it to you but some men get off from that kind of stuff. They love the idea of women abusing and dominating them and they just keep coming back for more. The other type see it as some harmless attack they can live with. I try not to judge people with alternative lifestyles cos if that is what they want, then I would not be the one to get in their way of attaining enjoyment.

Not to sound sexists here, some women just like the men enjoy this type of relationships and will continue to stay even when they have the ability to leave and live a comfortable life without the abuser. Domination and abuse is also a form of fetish

[Brian4Liberty]

Hillary 2016!


http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=j70ha1PUlqk

[juleswin]

"No more she could have been more careful". Because your behavior plays no part whatsoever with you becoming a victim of a crime. Be careful? not in my dictionary, I say we throw caution to the wind and live life like there's nothing to loose

[pessimist]

The media really needs to shine more light on the rampant rape of men by sex crazed power-hungry women. These savage vixens are roaming the streets gang-raping men at gun point daily and the media turns a blind eye.

Where is the justice? Fear matriarchy!

[MelissaWV]

The media really needs to shine more light on the rampant rape of men by sex crazed power-hungry women. These savage vixens are roaming the streets gang-raping men at gun point daily and the media turns a blind eye.

Where is the justice? Fear matriarchy!

Or people could stop trying to hyphenate and categorize everything by condition, looking instead at the action and its effect, rather than the demographics of the victim. No "hate crimes" or "women's rights" or "gay rights" needed.

Then again all of this ignores the elephant in the room.

"Sexual threats" made online or even by commentators are not likely to be actual, actionable threats. They're societal. Society is going to have assholes. It's really much better if people just wear those sorts of opinions right out in the open, so that others can choose to not associate with them. "Fixing" society is not something that should involve laws or government.

As for the very real and often institutionalized violence against women AND men, it's already a crime regardless of the demographics of the people involved. That's where you start to sound like you're trying to curry favor. Painting it as a women's issue is ridiculous. It's a human issue, and belittling the plight of men who are victimized does very little to bolster your credibility. The argument about statistical likelihood is preposterous. The majority of murder victims in the US are male. Does this somehow mean that it's a "men's issue"?

[pessimist]

Or people could stop trying to hyphenate and categorize everything by condition, looking instead at the action and its effect, rather than the demographics of the victim. No "hate crimes" or "women's rights" or "gay rights" needed.

I disagree. When a specific demographic faces disproportionate abuse or discrimination you need to call attention to it.

One should never downplay the seriousness of rape whether the victim is a child, a woman, a man, or even an animal. But let be real here: how many women are raping men? How many women are raped daily by men? Okay, maybe we can’t get an actual stat for that…but do honestly believe men need to take serious measures to defend themselves against rapist women, the way women need to protect themselves from men?

I am talking actual RAPE here, not predatory gold digging women who make false allegations; I am talking women physically raping and sexually assaulting men.


As for the very real and often institutionalized violence against women AND men, it's already a crime regardless of the demographics of the people involved. That's where you start to sound like you're trying to curry favor.

I’ll freely admit I hold women in higher regard, but it’s not to ‘curry favor’. I just find them to generally be more ‘civilized’. When I leave my house I have ZERO fear of being mugged by a woman. When I used to go to college parties, I had ZERO fear of being raped by a woman, when I hear of a mass killing or a serial killer on the loose or read about a drive-by shooting I immediately think of men as being the perps.

That doesn’t mean that it is not possible to be mugged, raped, and murdered by a woman, but if I am walking the streets at night I am on the look at for a man. I bet you are too, as well the men in this thread.

Is it wrong? At what point is profiling and generalizing acceptable? Is it wrong to point out that violent crime and rape sprees happening across Sweden, for example, are mostly committed by young men of the Muslim faith even though we all know NOT ALL Muslims are violent rapists?

Like I said earlier, parents don’t fear their sons getting raped by girls for a reason- that doesn’t mean it can’t or won’t happen- it’s just means that statistically speaking, it’s highly unlikely to happen. Following this line of thinking, I think it’s fair to say that blacks have a REASON to fear the police more than white guys as they are disproportionately targeted and imprisoned.

Sometimes demographics need to have those 'hyphenated' rights. At one point in our dark history blacks were slaves and considered subhuman and women couldn’t even vote. There are still folks in this country who think you should be in apron in the kitchen, and blacks should be out in the cotton fields.

[MelissaWV]

Sometimes demographics need to have those 'hyphenated' rights. At one point in our dark history blacks were slaves and considered subhuman and women couldn’t even vote. There are still folks in this country who think you should be in apron in the kitchen, and blacks should be out in the cotton fields.

When people tell you you're on the wrong forum, this is why.

I don't care if people think that. I certainly don't need the Government to give me special protection (disguised as "rights") to protect me from others being extra mean. That is way more demeaning than someone thinking I should be barefoot, pregnant, and getting them a sandwich.

[XNavyNuke]

Sometimes demographics need to have those 'hyphenated' rights. At one point in our dark history blacks were slaves and considered subhuman and women couldn’t even vote. There are still folks in this country who think you should be in apron in the kitchen, and blacks should be out in the cotton fields.


While you are disagreeing, I do hope that you recognize the elites who offer those hyphenated rights are the same ilk that look down their nose with disdain at women who choose to be homemakers and black farmers who choose to cultivate cotton and the evil tobacco.

XNN

[pessimist]

When people tell you you're on the wrong forum, this is why.

I already stated in my first thread here that I am of a liberal persuasion. I am just shocked I haven't even been warned yet on here- that is a personal record for a political forum.


I don't care if people think that.

I am willing to bet that you probably would if they had the power, and you had little to none.


I certainly don't need the Government to give me special protection (disguised as "rights") to protect me from others being extra mean. That is way more demeaning than someone thinking I should be barefoot, pregnant, and getting them a sandwich.

That's not what I meant though. I wasn't talking about protection from 'meanness'- I was saying that sometimes these special rights are necessary. Obviously we are at the point now where most are nothing but money-grabbing institutions of exploitation, but at one point they served a legitimate purpose.

Here let me ask you this: if there was never a womans rights movement, do you think you would have been granted the rights that you have today in the West?

[pessimist]

While you are disagreeing, I do hope that you recognize the elites who offer those hyphenated rights are the same ilk that look down their nose with disdain at women who choose to be homemakers and black farmers who choose to cultivate cotton and the evil tobacco.

XNN

The elites view the plebs as nothing but disposable labor and demographics to sell products to. Most of us are worthless to them.

[MelissaWV]

I already stated in my first thread here that I am of a liberal persuasion. I am just shocked I haven't even been warned yet on here- that is a personal record for a political forum.



I am willing to bet that you probably would if they had the power, and you had little to none.



That's not what I meant though. I wasn't talking about protection from 'meanness'- I was saying that sometimes these special rights are necessary. Obviously we are at the point now where most are nothing but money-grabbing institutions of exploitation, but at one point they served a legitimate purpose.

Here let me ask you this: if there was never a womans rights movement, do you think you would have been granted the rights that you have today in the West?

Yeah, Lord knows that being a female minority tossed into South Carolina in the 1980s, I have no idea what it is like for people to discriminate, nor when I would go out places with a blind boyfriend and people would tell me to "keep him away from breakables," or when people take a giant step back or make horrid assumptions and spread rumors when the issue of sexual orientation comes up. Oh and certainly trying to find shelter when you're homeless but not a single mom... that definitely did not expose me to people with power who discriminated.

You certainly have my number!

Let me ask you this: did phrasing it as "women's rights" help or hinder when it was associated entirely with the push towards Prohibition, which cost lives and maimed many? I would rather we were pushing for human rights, not tilting the scales here and there because of some misguided reparation attempt. The view of women as a social component has changed greatly in the West over time. The mandates and "social media" outcries are not quite as influential. I'd hope we would, as a species, get to the point where we value action and attribute over what's between someone's legs or where we feel their skin color lies on a spectrum. We're not there yet, though, so it's very helpful to know who feels I'm so inferior that I need special protection above and beyond my betters.

[William Tell]

The notion of 'special rights' is the opposite of equality.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

... there is nothing feminine about me,...


Lol why on earth would I choose a liberterian forum full of manly gun-lovers



I just have different brain wiring or something...



I just see the world differently.



Sometimes demographics need to have those 'hyphenated' rights.


...do you think you would have been granted the rights that you have today in the West?



You might be male biologically, but you don't seem to act like one. The idea that you think rights are somehow granted by government, elites, etc. is indirectly opposed to any notion of male responsibility and duty. Contemporary males have ceded so many of these tasks to extra-familial institutions that it's no wonder you start a thread about a topic that seems to confuse you. You foolishly associate beer swilling and pornography with--in your words--gun slinging. It's a sad commentary when the modern American male can't distinguish between the ability to protect one's own family with incessantly masturbating to contemporary fantasy.

No, there is nothing wrong with your brain's biology, but you certainly see the world differently. Your brain has simply been filled with others' confusion. The confusion leads nowhere except to continue to empower someone else to confer these "special rights" and other items that were your responsibility all along. Every time you invoke a third party, then you concede another responsibility. Someone already mentioned that women don't want ingratiating men. They want men willing to accept a responsible role.




..

[pessimist]

You might be male biologically, but you don't seem to act like one.

What can I say? I'm an enigma. I was misdiagnosed with Asperger’s as a child because of my 'different' brain. Anyway, while I certainly wouldn't consider myself as having a 'feminine' worldview- I have always suspected, due to my multidimensional thinking, and weird thought patterns that I have an 'androgynous brain' (whatever that is supposed to mean).


The idea that you think rights are somehow granted by government, elites, etc. is indirectly opposed to any notion of male responsibility and duty
In a hunter-gatherer society this would true.


You foolishly associate beer swilling and pornography with--in your words--gun slinging. It's a sad commentary when the modern American male can't distinguish between the ability to protect one's own family with incessantly masturbating to contemporary fantasy.

Oh when I say stuff like that I am just trying to illustrate the average-American man. The guy that likes to go to the shooting range, throw back a couple of cold ones with the boys, and watch some porn after his wife hits the sack.

I am not trying to insult the traditional guy who loves God, family and country when I make comments like that. My own father is one of those guys :)


No, there is nothing wrong with your brain's biology, but you certainly see the world differently.
I agree...this has caused me communication problems my entire life


Your brain has simply been filled with others' confusion

I am confused by this statement.


The confusion leads nowhere except to continue to empower someone else to confer these "special rights" and other items that were your responsibility all along.

Okay, I am not saying that men don't have a responsibility to their families, but I think we have progressed to a level in society that a traditional way of life is not really relevant or even economically viable for most households. I completely understand why gender roles existed- they were absolutely necessary for the continuation of the species. However we no longer live in a world where women need to be homemakers.

As for the special rights… Look institutional oppression is real, sometimes 'special rights' are absolutely necessary for a just society. That is all I was saying. All institutions become corrupted and decay before they eventually fail.


Someone already mentioned that women don't want ingratiating men

The women in my life see me as arrogant, neurotic, occasionally funny, and a complainer. I have no idea why I am perceived on this board as "ingratiating". These are honestly my personal beliefs, and definitely not a calculated attempt to flatter strange women on the internet.

How many women are on this site anyway? I only see a few female screen names.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Oh when I say stuff like that I am just trying to illustrate the average-American man. The guy that likes to go to the shooting range, throw back a couple of cold ones with the boys, and watch some porn after his wife hits the sack.

...I think we have progressed to a level in society that a traditional way of life is not really relevant or even economically viable for most households. I completely understand why gender roles existed- they were absolutely necessary for the continuation of the species. However we no longer live in a world where women need to be homemakers.





No, of course we don't need homemakers anymore because we now have that extra familial institution called child care. It's become so necessary that government has become involved. I suppose all those men breast feeding their kids has made sex roles antiquated too. No, of course, we longer need these things as long as there is someone else to raise your kids.

And I don't know what Asperger's or your apparently biological brain issue has to do with anything. It seems odd that you cite this issue as being responsible for your cultural beliefs, yet you think that men and women of yesteryear somehow metamorphosed into something that renders male responsibility obsolete.

I'd also like to know where you get your ideas about the "average American man." Gun ownership in this country is in the minority, let alone combining all the behaviors of visiting a range, drinking beer, and internet viewing habits.

And economically viable? The generation of your father (or probably your grandfather) WAS economically viable. Pretty interesting how all of these modern notions of "gender" roles coincide with larger government and our economic decline.

[pessimist]

No, of course we don't need homemakers anymore because we now have that extra familial institution called child care. It's become so necessary that government has become involved. I suppose all those men breast feeding their kids has made sex roles antiquated too. No, of course, we longer need these things as long as there is someone else to raise your kids.

Is there a rule book that states that you must have children?


And I don't know what Asperger's or your apparently biological brain issue has to do with anything. It seems odd that you cite this issue as being responsible for your cultural beliefs

It was to illustrate that yes while I may not have a manly brain, I don't have girly one either. Wasn't it you who said I sound like a female?


I'd also like to know where you get your ideas about the "average American man." Gun ownership in this country is in the minority, let alone combining all the behaviors of visiting a range, drinking beer, and internet viewing habits.

I notice patterns.


And economically viable? The generation of your father (or probably your grandfather) WAS economically viable. Pretty interesting how all of these modern notions of "gender" roles coincide with larger government and our economic decline.

Wrong. Let's take a look at the nostalgic 50s and compare it today. We have less poverty and a higher quality of life.

The problem is we live in a more 'white collar' world full of office workers. American manufacturing has been decimated, and the average working guy is competing with cheap labor. I can actually envision a future where women are the primary breadwinners- but that’s way off into the future.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Is there a rule book that states that you must have children?

The rule book for many Americans is having children and having somebody else raise them. That includes government parents. If you want kids, then be responsible and raise them.




...I may not have a manly brain...

It has nothing to do with the biology of your brain. Your views are typical of male confusion and lack of male responsibility in today's society.



I notice patterns.


The conclusions from your observations don't match the facts. Your observations are nowhere near patterns.





Wrong....50s and compare it today. We have... a higher quality of life.

Opinion.





I can actually envision a future where women are the primary breadwinners

Doubtful. Not until you figure out how males can bear children and do things like breastfeed.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I already stated in my first thread here that I am of a liberal persuasion. I am just shocked I haven't even been warned yet on here- that is a personal record for a political forum.






So you've lasted less than one month on these other forums? What other forums do you visit and why? Why were you terminated? What brings you to this forum?

[pessimist]

The rule book for many Americans is having children and having somebody else raise them. That includes government parents. If you want kids, then be responsible and raise them.

That's a bit judgmental isn't it? Are you saying parents who have a baby sitter or drop them off at daycare are crappy parents? Who are you to judge? I'm sure there are many kids who live in traditional households that have a crappy life and are physically/psychologically/emotionally abused.



It has nothing to do with the biology of your brain. Your views are typical of male confusion and lack of male responsibility in today's society.

It's called adapting to ones environment.


Opinion.

Longer life, better nutrition, advances in technology and medicine, more access to information, health care, etc.


Doubtful. Not until you figure out how males can bear children and do things like breastfeed.

You don't see the working man struggling to find work in the upcoming generations? You don't need to breastfeed, btw.

[phill4paul]

Hollywood? Learn to swim.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCEeAn6_QJo

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see Armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will.
I sure could use a vacation from this

Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of freaks

Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call L.A.
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona Bay.

Fret for your figure and
Fret for your latte and
Fret for your lawsuit and
Fret for your hairpiece and
Fret for your Prozac and
Fret for your pilot and
Fret for your contract and
Fret for your car.

It's a bullshit three ring circus sideshow of freaks

Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call L.A.
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona Bay.

Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by fault lines that cannot sit still.
Followed by millions of dumbfounded dip shits.

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see Armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will cause
I sure could use a vacation from this

Stupid shit, silly shit, stupid shit...

One great big festering neon distraction,
I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied.

Learn to swim. [3x]

Mom's gonna fix it all soon.
Mom's comin' round to put it back the way it ought to be.

Learn to swim.

Fuck L Ron Hubbard and
Fuck all his clones.
Fuck all these gun-toting
Hip gangster wannabes.

Learn to swim.

Fuck retro anything.
Fuck your tattoos.
Fuck all you junkies and
Fuck your short memory.

Learn to swim.

Fuck smiley glad-hands
With hidden agendas.
Fuck these dysfunctional,
Insecure actresses.

Learn to swim.

Cause I'm praying for rain
And I'm praying for tidal waves
I wanna see the ground give way.
I wanna watch it all go down.
Mom, please flush it all away.
I wanna see it go right in and down.
I wanna watch it go right in.
Watch you flush it all away.

Time to bring it down again.
Don't just call me pessimist.
Try and read between the lines.

I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend.

I wanna see it all come down.
Bring it down
Suck it down.
Flush it down

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Who are you to judge?

I'm the person paying the child care of the parent who is subsidized by government.




It's called adapting to ones environment.


Or engineering one's environment.





Longer life

More nursing homes, fewer family ties, more degenerative disease, etc.


better nutrition

More processed food.




advances in technology

Wheel, combustion engine, printing press, semi-conductor electronics, etc.



more access to information

Confusing knowledge with useless information.


more access to...health care

Compliments of my additional contribution to ACA for someone else.




You don't see the working man struggling to find work in the upcoming generations?

It's been happening for 50 years.


You don't need to breastfeed, btw.

Not as healthy.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I am just shocked I haven't even been warned yet on here- that is a personal record for a political forum.



So you've lasted less than one month on these other forums? What other forums do you visit and why? Why were you terminated? What brings you to this forum?





I'm still waiting for some answers.







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