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aGameOfThrones
09-24-2014, 07:00 PM
As police in the Bay Area and across the nation seek to curb mass shootings, they face a central challenge: Gunmen often act too quickly for law enforcement officers to respond.

An FBI study of “active shooter incidents” released Wednesday found not only that the U.S. has seen a spike in such attacks over the past seven years, but that most of the incidents ended within minutes and before police could arrive.

The FBI report documented 160 shootings in the U.S. between 2000 and 2013, which killed 486 people and wounded 557 more. Seventy percent of the cases in which the duration of the shooting could be determined were over within five minutes.

More than half ended at the shooter’s discretion — mostly when he fled or took his own life — while unarmed civilians stepped in and took down gunmen 13 percent of the time, according to the report.

“Even when law enforcement was present or able to respond within minutes, civilians often had to make life and death decisions, and, therefore, should be engaged in training and discussions on decisions they may face,” the report’s authors concluded.

The report defined mass shootings as situations featuring “individuals actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in populated areas,” such as the April 2012 rampage at Oikos University in Oakland, where a former student killed seven people.

The gunman, One Goh, as was typical in the incidents, shot his victims and left the scene within five minutes, before police arrived. He soon turned himself in.

Violence related to drug and gang disputes was excluded from the FBI study.



http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/U-S-mass-shootings-on-the-rise-5778587.php

mad cow
09-24-2014, 07:24 PM
— while unarmed civilians stepped in and took down gunmen 13 percent of the time, according to the report.

Armed civilians could up that percentage considerably if the laws would just allow it.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
09-24-2014, 07:25 PM
Edit: The information I posted had more to with serial murder than mass murder, but I'd still be interested to know their definition and if it changed.

twomp
09-24-2014, 07:31 PM
I have a feeling this has something to do with the 40 ISIS members currently in America as discussed in this thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?460226-Americans-returning-from-Syria

Fking ISIS, we gotta treat them like Pokemon and catch them all!! DAMN YOU ISIS!!

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/c7/c7c086967981c8ec6ae59d5ee09adeba94abecae24b4ca7e38 a3dfa508a3e507.jpg

Dr.3D
09-24-2014, 07:36 PM
Armed civilians could up that percentage considerably if the laws would just allow it.
Yeah, seems they are just now discovering, when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

devil21
09-24-2014, 07:45 PM
Interesting timing of this article.

Notice anything?
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/8tabledatadecpdf/table-8-state-cuts/table_8_offenses_known_to_law_enforcement_by_conne cticut_by_city_2012.xls#disablemobile

Brian4Liberty
09-24-2014, 08:09 PM
As police in the Bay Area and across the nation seek to curb mass shootings, they face a central challenge: Gunmen often act too quickly for law enforcement officers to respond.

Shocking insight there. Muggers, burglars and rapists are also acting too quickly for law enforcement officers to respond. Amazing how that works.

tod evans
09-25-2014, 05:55 AM
Shocking insight there. Muggers, burglars and rapists are also acting too quickly for law enforcement officers to respond. Amazing how that works.

Don't forget those damn pot smokers!

Those scofflaws are prone to toking up at any given moment...:eek:

Think of the children! The police are severely understaffed and need better equipment and more pay in order to protect the poor children..

donnay
09-25-2014, 10:18 AM
"U.S. mass shootings on the rise, FBI says"

Yeah by law enforcement.

green73
09-25-2014, 10:44 AM
In other news, me eating Indian curries is on the rise. After months of having one per week, last week I had two.

brushfire
09-25-2014, 10:52 AM
What constitutes "mass shooting" was not so just a year or 2 ago.

Notice how there's no inflation either... If they were as creative with their approach to the solution as they with manipulating the numbers (perception), we'd have less shootings altogether. To me, the solution involves a firearm. A school principal is more effective in her charge when she is armed with a firearm.

Holder has a terrible legacy, and I believe he should stand trial for much of it, and be punished accordingly.

Dr.3D
09-25-2014, 11:01 AM
Shocking insight there. Muggers, burglars and rapists are also acting too quickly for law enforcement officers to respond. Amazing how that works.
Must be, law enforcement broke it's crystal ball.

Anti Federalist
09-25-2014, 12:35 PM
Armed civilians could up that percentage considerably if the laws would just allow it.

I suspect that they already do.

A "mass shooting" doesn't occur if the shooter is disabled, killed or disarmed by an armed citizen before it happens.

Anti Federalist
09-25-2014, 12:50 PM
This week, the FBI released a report that claimed to show a significant increase in “active shooter” incidents over the last 10 years.

The report did not claim to show an increase in mass shooting incidents. Yet that’s how it was widely reported.

Over at Reason, Jesse Walker consulted two academics who study mass shootings, Grant Duwe at the Minnesota Department of Corrections, and James Alan Fox, a criminology professor at Northeastern University.

Both say the FBI report is a helpful contribution to the discussion, but also insist that it does not show what the media claim it shows.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?460415-Mass-shooting-hysteria-and-the-death-of-John-Crawford&p=5657541#post5657541

Anti Federalist
02-18-2018, 12:59 AM
relevant bump