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Brian4Liberty
09-23-2014, 03:58 PM
The opposite of libertarian is authoritarian
By Jack Hunter - September 23, 2014


Recently, The Washington Post’s Jennifer Rubin attempted to explain, “Why conservatives and libertarians are at odds,” concerning ISIS, social issues and other hot button topics on the right.

But a better analysis might be—why is conservatism today so often at odds with itself?

From its earliest days, the modern conservative movement has always emphasized liberty and fidelity to the Constitution. Barry Goldwater thought we should be extreme in our defense of liberty. Ronald Reagan believed that where “government expands, liberty contracts.”

Conservatives have also believed it is the job of government to defend the nation and protect citizens. In this balance between liberty and security, conservatives have traditionally erred on the side of liberty.
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The opposite of libertarianism can be fairly described as authoritarianism. If a preference for liberty over authority (government) is what defines libertarians, it is not unreasonable to say that those who prefer authority to liberty have an authoritarian bent. Authoritarianism, like libertarianism, exists on the left and right.

Today there are libertarians and authoritarians who both call themselves conservative despite deep contradictions in what each stands for.

Concerning ISIS, libertarians (whether they believe military action should be taken or not) all agree that the president must follow the Constitution in declaring war by consulting Congress. Authoritarians do not believe this, preferring a strong executive that governs beyond constitutional limits. The same dynamic extends to debates over the Fourth Amendment and due process, where libertarians have gone to great lengths to remind everyone of constitutional parameters and authoritarians have insisted there aren’t any.

When we learned that the National Security Agency had been spying on every Americans’ private information, libertarians cried foul. Authoritarians defended the NSA without reservation or hesitance. For libertarians, Edward Snowden did Americans a service despite breaking the law. For authoritarians, Snowden was the equivalent of a terrorist who undermined the integrity of the federal government.
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Much more:
http://rare.us/story/the-opposite-of-libertarian-is-authoritarian/

Brian4Liberty
09-23-2014, 03:58 PM
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heavenlyboy34
09-23-2014, 04:06 PM
The conservatives, in my experience, are just one panic attack (due to a real or perceived threat/danger) away from authoritarians.

Ronin Truth
09-23-2014, 04:08 PM
Well the Nolan Chart calls the opposite "Statist". Close enough. ;)

http://www.nolanchart.com/index.php

Brian4Liberty
09-23-2014, 04:16 PM
Well the Nolan Chart calls the opposite "Statist". Close enough. ;)

http://www.nolanchart.com/index.php

Yep. An easy follow-up to that article would be the Nolan Chart.

LibertyEagle
09-23-2014, 08:57 PM
The conservatives, in my experience, are just one panic attack (due to a real or perceived threat/danger) away from authoritarians.

"I am the most conservative member of Congress"-Ron Paul

Christian Liberty
09-23-2014, 09:12 PM
"I am the most conservative member of Congress"-Ron Paul

We really need to define the term "conservative." It was politically advantageous at the time for Ron to call himself a conservative rather than a libertarian. In reality, though, I think he's much more libertarian. Of course, there are significant overlaps between paleoconservatism and libertarianism, just as there are significant overlaps between theonomy and libertarianism.

HVACTech
09-23-2014, 09:23 PM
The conservatives, in my experience, are just one panic attack (due to a real or perceived threat/danger) away from authoritarians.

"truth, is subject to perspective" HB.

:)

cajuncocoa
09-23-2014, 09:32 PM
"I am the most conservative member of Congress"-Ron Paul
Not in the sense that people like Jennifer Rubin and Rush Limbaugh have bastardized the word.

heavenlyboy34
09-23-2014, 09:33 PM
"truth, is subject to perspective" HB.

:)

Indeed it is. ;) :)

liberty2897
09-23-2014, 09:37 PM
I like Heinlein's observation:


Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
Robert A. Heinlein

heavenlyboy34
09-23-2014, 09:39 PM
I like Heinlein's observation:

Cool. :cool: I am love Heinlein. :)

Christian Liberty
09-23-2014, 09:44 PM
I like Heinlein's observation:

There should be a third category for people who want to control.

Ronin Truth
09-23-2014, 10:57 PM
There should be a third category for people who want to control. Sociopaths? Megalomaniacs? Politicians?

Natural Citizen
09-23-2014, 11:03 PM
Sociopaths? Megalomaniacs? Politicians?

The Doomed?

For the time being stalking horse works for me. That's what I call 'em...

We actually see this phenomenon quite a bit in the so called liberty movement. Too much, I think. Only because they aren't very good at it. You can spot it like a mile away. Of course, out in the wild, most who do that actually have good intentions but it's when you get the organized fellers that we start to get in the "control" category. Basically they're just doing someone elses handy work anyhow.

Origanalist
09-23-2014, 11:10 PM
The Southern Avenger .......

FindLiberty
09-23-2014, 11:18 PM
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mindmelding/201301/what-is-psychopath-0

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http://www.urbandictionary.com

Psychopath:

A person with an antisocial (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=antisocial) personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=empathy) or remorse.

Psychopaths tend to lack normal human emotions such as guilt. They are also often highly intelligent and skilled (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=skilled) at manipulating others.

Also, psychopaths seem to appear normal. You would probably never (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=never) guess (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=guess) there was something wrong with them.

Note, not all psychopaths are serial killers.

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A person who knows the difference between right and wrong, but doesn't give a damn. Shows (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Shows) no morality (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=morality) and no emotions (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=emotions) towards others, including love, guilt or hatred. Would happily destroy anything or anyone merely for personal pleasure.

Ronin Truth
09-23-2014, 11:40 PM
The Doomed?

For the time being stalking horse works for me. That's what I call 'em...

We actually see this phenomenon quite a bit in the so called liberty movement. Too much, I think. Only because they aren't very good at it. You can spot it like a mile away. Of course, out in the wild, most who do that actually have good intentions but it's when you get the organized fellers that we start to get in the "control" category. Basically they're just doing someone elses handy work anyhow.

The road to HELL is paved with the very best of intentions, gone bad. Beware the Law of Unintended Consequences.

56ktarget
09-24-2014, 12:53 AM
Barry goldwater thought GOP of today was too extreme.

Ronin Truth
09-24-2014, 01:10 AM
Barry goldwater thought GOP of today was too extreme.

So now you're channeling the dead?

Or are you just getting your Barrys mixed up and confused?

56ktarget
09-24-2014, 08:43 PM
Libertarian- Somalia
Authoritarian- Nazi Germany/USSR

Take your pick. For most people, we would like somewhere in the middle

Origanalist
09-24-2014, 08:50 PM
So now you're channeling the dead?

Or are you just getting your Barrys mixed up and confused?

I think 56k has been hitting the sauce.

Brett85
09-24-2014, 09:36 PM
Libertarian- Somalia
Authoritarian- Nazi Germany/USSR

Take your pick. For most people, we would like somewhere in the middle

Most libertarians are not anarchists.

Christian Liberty
09-24-2014, 09:39 PM
Most libertarians are not anarchists.

You think Somalia is my ideal society? lol!

Brett85
09-24-2014, 09:59 PM
You think Somalia is my ideal society? lol!

I don't know that much about Somalia and whether or not they're truly an anarchist society. But liberals seem to bring up Somalia every time they criticize libertarians, the implication being that we would have anarchy if libertarians were ever in charge of the U.S government.

Christian Liberty
09-24-2014, 10:22 PM
I don't know that much about Somalia and whether or not they're truly an anarchist society. But liberals seem to bring up Somalia every time they criticize libertarians, the implication being that we would have anarchy if libertarians were ever in charge of the U.S government.

And you really trust liberals?

Look at this:

http://mises.org/daily/5418/anarchy-in-somalia

Ronin Truth
09-25-2014, 04:12 AM
Most libertarians are not anarchists.

The main difference between libertarians and anarchists is just about 20 years.