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orenbus
09-22-2014, 05:08 PM
1 of 5 (posted 9/22/2014)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwSnyQYy5SE

AngryCanadian
09-22-2014, 05:35 PM
Vice News completely forget to mention the Child Soldiers of the FSA by the moderate rebels and how the FSA are installing Sharia courts in Aleppo. :rolleyes:

orenbus
09-22-2014, 05:49 PM
From what I'm reading (and I think understanding, this gets complex) the embedded reporter in this dispatch is covering the Islamic Front in this video and doesn't fall under the command of the FSA, although it did at one point in the past, but they had a falling out at the end of last year.


on 3 December 2013 they withdrew from the command of the FSA and criticized its leadership. On 6 December 2013 fighters from the Islamic Front seized several FSA bases and depots at the Bab al-Hawa crossing. This has caused conflict between the two.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Front_%28Syria%29

The Vice Reporters I've noticed try to report only what they either see or what they can gather from first account witnesses, especially those embedded overseas such as those that were with IS and the Kurds during those dispatches. It would be interesting to see if this reporter gets a chance to be embedded with the FSA, but I'd imagine he's only going to report what can be captured, although I do remember some pieces that did show Child Soldiers I think it may have been another outfit other than Vice or it was with another non-FSA rebel group, will have to look around.

Edit: Okay more specifically it sounds like these rebels are part of the Al-Tawhid Brigade (which is one of the groups that falls under the Islamic Front) which again was part of the FSA and prior to that had formed and has ties from the Muslim Brotherhood.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Tawhid_Brigade

orenbus
09-22-2014, 05:54 PM
Here is an Aleppo report from back in May.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg5UEz_Ao0g

Edit: I believe this is the Harakat Fajr Sham al-Islamiya group, which is part of the Ansar al-Deen Front, in this case allied, but not directly a FSA group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansar_al-Deen_Front

AngryCanadian
09-22-2014, 06:16 PM
The Point is the FSA are all in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood and thus arent any moderate. I have seen several videos of the FSA in 2011 and 2012 they had used terrorist style tactics agaisnt the Syrian Arab Forces.

The FSA are and are still using Child Soldiers, i am surprised no western had condemned them. Dont tell me that your digging into the whole thing that the FSA are moderates?

orenbus
09-22-2014, 06:31 PM
Dont tell me that your digging into the whole thing that the FSA are moderates?

LOL me? No, I'm not down with supporting or funding any so called "moderate" rebels or FSA, and I don't take the selling points McCain and others promote regarding FSA and related groups.

That aside I do try to get as brutally accurate as possible when it comes to information and reports coming out of the Middle East so that we can dispel rumor from fact, such as the beheading of children story by ISIS that was being pushed around a number of weeks back and finding out that the veracity of the claims could not be verified. When it comes to topics where we may end up getting involved militarily or where national security may be threatened due to blow back from our governments actions, I think accurate information is our first and best line of defense so that we can make logical and informed opinions.

orenbus
09-22-2014, 08:11 PM
Okay here we go (forgot about this one, from April), here is an embed report with the Syria Revolutionaries Front a direct group under the FSA.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cb3OURdl3g

At around 8:30 he talks about the training, 8:40 the pickups with the weapons on them, 8:47, this rebel admits the weapons he's getting are from the Americans making it clear they are supposed to be to fight ISIS.

At 10:52 a SRF allied fighter is executed for allegedly stealing money, when this is questioned by the reporter the SRF responded with "no comment", at 11:36 one of the SRF fighters ask did they kill him? then he says "they were right to do that", this is summarized by the reporter that the SRF is fighting the reputation they have for looting and banditry by having a zero tolerance policy on criminal activity. This is interesting because ISIS also has the death penalty for crimes that we would consider would be punishable by extended jail time, instead it seems over there some use a bullet others use a sword or a crucifix, but the end result is the same.

At 20:34 a fighter says to another if God makes things easy, in two weeks they will be done with ISIS, the other fighter responds, "we'll have to find someone else to fight" the original guy responds "come on, be serious"

At parts during the video it did feel like the FSA fighters were being coached, trying to put on their best face in front of the camera, knowing this would be viewed by westerners, and perhaps not necessarily behaving or saying certain things if the camera wasn't around.

fr33
09-22-2014, 08:33 PM
Speaking of Vice and ISIS. One part of a video that has really stuck with me is this: 12:14 (link should forward to it)

http://youtu.be/AUjHb4C7b94?t=12m14s

orenbus
09-23-2014, 10:34 AM
Speaking of Vice and ISIS. One part of a video that has really stuck with me is this: 12:14 (link should forward to it)

http://youtu.be/AUjHb4C7b94?t=12m14s

Yea...

orenbus
09-24-2014, 01:12 AM
2 of 5 (posted 9/23/2014)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SwnHL9MvmI

Edit: Oh by the way, Angry Canadian here is one rebel's answer (although not FSA) about a child soldier at 11:52.

orenbus
09-24-2014, 08:53 PM
3 of 5 (posted 9/24/2014)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FavaA3w6eXw

orenbus
09-25-2014, 03:01 PM
4 of 5 (9/25/2014)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iA36FPD3H0

Danke
09-25-2014, 10:05 PM
Hasn't RPFs already Vice News is full of shit? Sorry I don't have a link to that, but:

“Vice was built on lies,” Wired Magazine echoed in 2007. (http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/03/vice-founder-famous-for-truth-telling-has-history-of-lies/)

orenbus
09-26-2014, 04:51 PM
Hasn't RPFs already Vice News is full of shit? Sorry I don't have a link to that, but:

“Vice was built on lies,” Wired Magazine echoed in 2007. (http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/03/vice-founder-famous-for-truth-telling-has-history-of-lies/)

Well from what I've been watching of their material I'm leaning to believe the integrity of Vice reporters first hand investigations at emerging hot spots around the world vs other MSM canned critiques, or less "established" pundits theories for what is happening based on second or third hand information and being thousands or hundreds of miles away. Ferguson being a great example.

True that some Vice reporters might interject opinionated views at times, but it's mostly as a summation of the view of the people they are reporting on as opposed to forwarding their own views on the audience, for example if you look at the videos covering ISIS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUjHb4C7b94), the Kurds in Iraq (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RojiK_l45hY)(all dispatches in the east and west) and the Islamic Front, the reports focus on those specific groups and what those people's views are in each of them vs. what for example Fox News, MSNBC or CNN may be pushing as a unified political view by interest groups in Washington, at least that's my opinion so far from what I'm seeing.

What I think would be interesting next is if they can get a embedded reporter with Assad's forces to report the opinions of the Alawites and others in Syrian Government controlled areas and put out dispatches so the world can see that point of view and perhaps more coverage of ISIS controlled areas post air strikes to capture the results and the loss of life of those actions. Bottom line I don't see many media organizations large or small taking the risks to report stories like Vice does. I would like to see them do more as they grow as long as they can maintain the integrity of their reporters, that should be more important than focusing on if one person padded their resume or a CEO is overstating the value of a company as many startup CEOs tend to do.

orenbus
09-26-2014, 04:52 PM
5 of 5 (9/26/2014)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tSyvNroEic

HOLLYWOOD
09-26-2014, 05:04 PM
There yah go... the rebels confirms Egyptians in the Al-Nusra terrorist organization. Just what was confirmed the operations going on amongst Libya, Egypt, and the CIA/Mi6 etc. See, you have to get many player to create these monsters, because if just one country/agents performed the entire operation, they would be much more exposed to war crimes so... have government(s) craft and highly compartmentalized; Recruiting, Vetting, Training, Transporting, and Arming radicals into terrorists and divvy them up across a foreign land into organizations that have commit crimes against humanity.

No different than the Rendition/Torture crimes with all the government players taking a piece of the crime pie.