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Danke
09-22-2014, 03:17 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/carbon-time-bomb-set-off-30-years-less-153225137.html

Every kid who’s ever played with a bucket and a garden hose knows that the bucket will overflow and make a mess unless the water gets shut off in time.

The global bucket of carbon dioxide is now two-thirds full, according to a new study published in Nature Geoscience. And we’re running out of time to cut that carbon flow to limit global temperature increases to 2 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels to prevent catastrophic climate change.

The report was released as more than 310,000 people marched in Manhattan on Sunday to demand action on climate change as world leaders prepare gather in New York City for Tuesday’s United Nations Climate Summit.

To achieve the 2-degree target, that bucket’s maximum capacity is 3,200 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide, said Pierre Friedlingstein, a climate and carbon cycle modeler at the University of Exeter in the United Kingdom. We can only emit another 1,200 billion tons of carbon dioxide after 2015 if we want to remain on track.

Friedlingstein prefers to think of the remaining quota as a piece of cake. Now that we’ve eaten two-thirds of the cake, we have to cut slivers off the remaining piece, he said. At current rates, that slice of cake will be exhausted in 30 years—equivalent to one generation. The calculation is a new approach to determining when we might hit specific temperature thresholds.

But slashing greenhouse emissions won’t be a piece of cake.

Carbon dioxide emissions continue to grow year after year. In 2013, more than 36 billion tons of carbon dioxide was released into the atmosphere from the burning of fossil fuels and cement production, a 2.3 percent increase over the previous years, according to the report.

The authors project that carbon dioxide output will rise to 37 billion tons for 2014 and to 43.2 billion tons by 2019.

To keep temperatures below the 2 degrees threshold, we must reduce global emissions by five percent to seven percent annually, said Glen Peters, a climate policy analyst at the Center for International Climate and Environmental research in Oslo, Norway.

“That’s something that has never been seen before, and it has to happen globally for the rest of the century,” said Peters, who contributed to the research.

Furthermore, no single country has even met that target on its own.

“Theoretically it’s possible, but it’s difficult in practice,” he said.

Restricting carbon dioxide emissions from transportation and power plants, and putting a price on carbon could help slow emissions. The capture and storage of fossil fuel power plant emissions could also help, but the technology remains expensive and undeveloped.

Any delays in reducing carbon emissions means the 2 degrees target will hit even sooner. “If we don’t do anything until 2020, then we’ll only have 22 years,” said Friedlingstein.

In a second study, published in Nature Climate Change, researchers looked at how this remaining quota could be distributed nationally or regionally.

Sharing the pain of cutting emissions by dividing the cake among countries based on their population won’t work, said Peters. Doing so be “easier for the big emitters, but makes it harder for the developing countries,” he said.

A better option would allow developing countries to grow their economies and give large emitters reasonable targets to shoot for.

“In some way the quota will be shared,” said Peters. “All the countries need to make contributions.”

AuH20
09-22-2014, 03:41 PM
The economy will collapse before the carbon time bomb goes off. LOL We have nothing to worry about.

Dr.3D
09-22-2014, 03:44 PM
The economy will collapse before the carbon time bomb goes off. LOL We have nothing to worry about.
And even if it doesn't, maybe they will shut up about their carbon time bomb after 30 years has passed and nothing has changed.

Acala
09-22-2014, 04:22 PM
That the computer climate modelers have not yet been run out of town on a rail for their utter failure to predict much of anything is proof that climate science is dead.

BUT the single best thing we could do to lower the human carbon footprint - the one significant thing we could do that would not only not have a damaging effect on the world economy but would boost prosperity, is to end the US global empire, shut down our foreign bases, bring all the troops and ships home, and mothball everything not needed to defend the borders. The US DOD certainly must be the single largest consumer of fossil fuel the world has ever known. On this we might find agreement with the climate change folks. Let's stop arguing and start building bridges we ALL want to cross.

HVACTech
09-22-2014, 04:32 PM
The economy will collapse before the carbon time bomb goes off. LOL We have nothing to worry about.

or we could just stop breathing and eliminate beer.... :eek:

Origanalist
09-22-2014, 05:22 PM
And even if it doesn't, maybe they will shut up about their carbon time bomb after 30 years has passed and nothing has changed.

No, they won't. As proven by history.

Matt Collins
09-22-2014, 05:35 PM
Look up "peak oil"..... we run out of oil every 20 years or so don't you know? :rolleyes:

Dr.3D
09-22-2014, 06:03 PM
No, they won't. As proven by history.
Oh well, one can dream.

phill4paul
09-22-2014, 06:22 PM
Climate "Science"....

http://assets.forexlive.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/gypsy-crystal-ball.jpg

fatjohn
09-23-2014, 04:56 AM
One american uses 6,500 kg of oil equivalent a year.
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.PCAP.KG.OE?order=wbapi_data_value_2012+wbap i_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc

Oil consists out of 85% Carbon, which leaves 5,525 kg of carbon that is burned
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum

When burned Carbon (molecular weight of 12) combines with two oxygen atoms (molecular weight of 16)
This forms 20,258 kg of CO2.

The density of CO2 is 1.977 kg/m^3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide

This means every American produces 10,247 m^3 of CO2 gas a year.

The amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is 400 parts per million by volume.
This means that every American produces the same amount of CO2 that is already in 25,600,000 m^3.
That's about twice Boeing's Everett plant, the biggest building in the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_buildings_in_the_world

Nah that has no impact whatsoever.

http://d1jqu7g1y74ds1.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/atmosphere.jpg

Give me a fucking break.

Constitutional Paulicy
09-23-2014, 05:11 AM
http://www.restoreaustralia.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/No-carbon-tax.jpg