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presence
09-21-2014, 08:07 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/21/peoples-climate-march_n_5857902.html


NEW YORK -- More than 400,000 people turned out for the People's Climate March (http://peoplesclimate.org/) in New York City on Sunday, just days before many of the world's leaders are expected to debate environmental action at the United Nations climate summit (http://www.un.org/climatechange/summit/).

alucard13mm
09-21-2014, 08:29 PM
I bet you most of those 400,000 people is using smart phones, which uses petroleum products and rare earth metals. And probably half of the ones that own smart phones upgrade a new one every year. The same smart phones they use to take their selfies and to record the event.

haha..

enhanced_deficit
09-21-2014, 08:30 PM
Controversial Dicaprio led the march... that says something about the credibility of this march's concern for humanity's welfare.


http://www.thejc.com/files/imagecache/simchach_galleria/images/leo-shimon.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=bFSjE2KwMe2dGM&tbnid=pC_zukkdRIRbDM:&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thejc.com%2Fgalleries%2Fshowb iz-galleries%2Ftouring-israel-celebrity-style-0%3Fimg%3D8&ei=1YcfVJ_NBpT9sASL54KwCA&bvm=bv.75775273,d.cWc&psig=AFQjCNG4k6LIPxECLXd8rRiviOF0Z9087g&ust=1411438896883297)



Palestinian officials: Israel's shelling of Gaza equivalent to six nuclear bombs
Friday, 22 August 2014 12:03

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/13646-palestinian-officials-israels-shelling-of-gaza-equivalent-to-6-nuclear-bombs

http://www.thetotalcollapse.com/wp-content/uploads/372852_Israel-Gaza-Smoke.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=gVNXOLghX3gwMM&tbnid=F_NbeE5jwu_BBM:&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetotalcollapse.com%2Fdeath-toll-from-israels-war-on-gaza-rises-to-961%2F&ei=CsIfVP77KcHygwT88YKgCQ&bvm=bv.75775273,d.eXY&psig=AFQjCNGCmg4TGs6O0hYLgE02XO2kMRRc-Q&ust=1411453806446362)


http://www.unep.org/disastersandconflicts/UNEPsActivities/GazaStrip/tabid/55025/Default.aspx

http://www.unep.org/pdf/dmb/unep_gaza_ea.pdf

devil21
09-21-2014, 08:38 PM
Can't march against war in DC anymore since a Dem is the presidential warmonger now. Gotta find a new cause to blame on everyone else.

I wonder how much CO2 and fossil fuels those 400k burned to get to NYC?

oyarde
09-21-2014, 08:52 PM
Well , Gore , Chuck Schumer , Sheldon Whitehouse and Bernie Sanders were there to represent .

enhanced_deficit
09-21-2014, 08:53 PM
Well , Gore , Chuck Schumer , Sheldon Whitehouse and Bernie Sanders were there to represent .

Is any of them non-commie?

oyarde
09-21-2014, 08:53 PM
Oh , yeah , India and China are not sending anyone important to the summit .....

oyarde
09-21-2014, 08:54 PM
Is any of them non-commie?

Negative , all commies .

oyarde
09-21-2014, 08:56 PM
Is any of them non-commie?

They all will though , support raising your taxes to save unicorns from warming .

pcosmar
09-21-2014, 08:56 PM
400,000 march for "climate change" in NYC

What do they want the climate to change to?

(if Yellowstone erupts they will get their wish,, in a big way)

PRB
09-21-2014, 10:41 PM
I bet you most of those 400,000 people is using smart phones, which uses petroleum products and rare earth metals. And probably half of the ones that own smart phones upgrade a new one every year. The same smart phones they use to take their selfies and to record the event.

haha..

what does wasting smartphones have to do with climate? are you suggesting people who hate oil companies and want carbon emissions have to hate capitalism?

Tod
09-21-2014, 11:03 PM
how on earth do they get so many to show up for something like that?

PRB
09-21-2014, 11:05 PM
how on earth do they get so many to show up for something like that?

In NYC? you can get a few thousand for just about anything.

Miss Annie
09-21-2014, 11:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDKWRRnS-BQ

Danke
09-21-2014, 11:24 PM
Just shoot me, I'll will be providing the the bullets...but with this warning, the bullets contain lead in them.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
09-21-2014, 11:27 PM
how on earth do they get so many to show up for something like that?

Eh, it's New York on a nice, Sunday afternoon. If you eliminate the shoppers, Central Park people, tourists, passerby, residents, people going to work, curious people on the stoops/sidewalks, etc., then it's far fewer than 400k.

oyarde
09-21-2014, 11:27 PM
Just shoot me, I'll will be providing the the bullets...but with this warning, the bullets contain lead in them.

I have a large stash of lead .

juleswin
09-21-2014, 11:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDKWRRnS-BQ

I am against the whole climate change BS but I am sorry, the woman in that video is retarded. After the nonsesne she pulled during the interview and the title she or her editor gave the video, I would not grant her any more interviews in the future.

What the fuck does using cell phones have to do with carbon emission? Maybe he charged it with a solar panel or electricity from hydro electric dam or the dozen other non carbon emitting power sources. Then again, he is talking about reducing carbon emission not eliminating all of it. This is just bad, the video from reason does a better job informing the audience on what these people are about.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
09-22-2014, 12:08 AM
That reporter wasn't even challenging Kennedy that much, but he still got bent out of shape. Kennedy not only grabs her microphone, but his little friend in the background starts wagging his finger at the reporter. lol

PRB
09-22-2014, 12:13 AM
Eh, it's New York on a nice, Sunday afternoon. If you eliminate the shoppers, Central Park people, tourists, passerby, residents, people going to work, curious people on the stoops/sidewalks, etc., then it's far fewer than 400k.

they probably gave everybody free t-shirts or some shit to attract people who don't give a shit

Anti Federalist
09-22-2014, 12:22 AM
And a million turned out to march against the wars.

Can't do that anymore, or at least until another Red Teamer is in the White House.

Fucking hypocrites.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
09-22-2014, 12:56 AM
they probably gave everybody free t-shirts or some shit to attract people who don't give a shit


The annual Columbus Ave Festival was held the same day as this rally. That festival is organized by the city's chamber of commerce. The festival is a fairly big deal. It covers about 20 blocks.

Columbus Ave is one block from Central Park, which is probably where people assembled for the rally.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
09-22-2014, 01:36 AM
I would probably put the 400,000 attendance number in quotes. It's also much more strategic to hold something like this in New York than DC. How hard can it be to get eco libs out of their apartments and onto the street? The trip is really a hop-skip-&-jump when you descend your street view apartment stairs that lead directly to the street. Come down at noon, watch the circus, and grab a jumbo pretzel. Then, it's right back up to your apartment for 1 o'clock football kickoff.

Holding the rally the same day as their huge fall festival was also a shrewd move.

devil21
09-22-2014, 02:28 AM
It's the same as eugenics. Who goes first?

Not me! You go first.

He did recover and spit a political answer but he's still full of shit because he won't go first. As Ghandi said, "Be the change you want to see."


I would probably put the 400,000 attendance number in quotes. It's also much more strategic to hold something like this in New York than DC.

No doubt about that. Remember when this was a "couple hundred" supporters at a UCLA RP speech according to msm articles? The numbers are manipulated both ways as long as the numbers benefit statists.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5TeneSysiw

and this was 1200 Romney supporters:
http://www.abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/ap_ford_field_jef_120224_wblog.jpg

Ronin Truth
09-22-2014, 02:44 AM
Get the names of all of those marchers and then quadruple their taxes in order to save the planet from "climate change". Come on folks, prove your dedication to the cause. No sacrifice is too great.

devil21
09-22-2014, 02:46 AM
Get the names of all of those marchers and then quadruple their taxes in order to save the planet from "climate change". Come on folks, prove your dedication to the cause. No sacrifice is too great.

We can all say that about our causes. Mine doesn't involve giving up my means of communication or transportation though. I think there's other places we can trim the fat.

Ronin Truth
09-22-2014, 02:54 AM
We can all say that about our causes. Mine doesn't involve giving up my means of communication or transportation though. I think there's other places we can trim the fat.


Do you think maybe a QUADRILLION $ in new FRNs from the Fed, just might solve the problem? We're never paying off the trillions, so what the hell?

luctor-et-emergo
09-22-2014, 03:05 AM
what does wasting smartphones have to do with climate? are you suggesting people who hate oil companies and want carbon emissions have to hate capitalism?

I don't think it's actually about emissions or waste. It's about the hypocrisy of these activists. They are against a lot of things they actually 'can't' live without.

PRB
09-22-2014, 11:14 AM
I don't think it's actually about emissions or waste. It's about the hypocrisy of these activists. They are against a lot of things they actually 'can't' live without.

what's the hypocrisy? they love smartphones, but they hate carbon emissions, what's the contradiction?

orenbus
09-22-2014, 11:55 AM
In NYC? you can get a few thousand for just about anything.

Yea a few thousand, but not 300 to 400 thousand, the last march that had those numbers was the Iraq War Protest back in Feb 15, 2003.

That being said, I'll wait for the official estimates to come out. Organizers and supporters usually pump the estimates, still if they are saying 400 thousand there is a chance the crowd was as large as 300.

AuH20
09-22-2014, 11:57 AM
Climate change advocates are a cult.

AuH20
09-22-2014, 12:00 PM
Sad panda time.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/environment/smart-phones-uses-as-much-energy-as-a-refrigerator

orenbus
09-22-2014, 12:14 PM
And a million turned out to march against the wars.

Can't do that anymore, or at least until another Red Teamer is in the White House.

Fucking hypocrites.

Yea this bothers me a bit.

I was there on Feb 15, 2003 and I didn't hear anything going on protesting current military actions. Although there are still some of those groups like code pink and others that will do their protests but nothing like what was going on back then. A huge part of this is probably because of the political party divide, but probably also because of how things are being sold now vs back then.

It's not about 'shock and awe' and massive armies it's presented as smaller scale and in slow build ups. I would imagine if an announcement came out, even if it was Obama, that we were going to send in 300k+ Soldiers back into Iraq or some other country that isn't a immediate threat there would be massive protests again, for some reason or other people don't equate "air-strikes" with "boots on the ground", they consider air-strikes as more surgical or less likely to cause as much damage both to troops and civilians, even though the impact could be the same or worse.

devil21
09-22-2014, 02:56 PM
what's the hypocrisy? they love smartphones, but they hate carbon emissions, what's the contradiction?

The power to charge their phones and power the cell network come from coal plants or nuclear plants. The plastic to build the phone case comes from petroleum. The chips are full of rare earth metals that are strip mined. Their cars are full of the same materials on an even larger scale. These products do not materialize out of thin air but rather are mined, formed, assembled and operated through means that contribute to the carbon emissions they are seeking to eliminate.

libertyjam
09-22-2014, 03:07 PM
The power to charge their phones and power the cell network come from coal plants or nuclear plants. The plastic to build the phone case comes from petroleum. The chips are full of rare earth metals that are strip mined. Their cars are full of the same materials on an even larger scale. These products do not materialize out of thin air but rather are mined, formed, assembled and operated through means that contribute to the carbon emissions they are seeking to eliminate.

Maybe the only truly intelligent response to the question.

devil21
09-22-2014, 03:15 PM
Maybe the only truly intelligent response to the question.

Thanks. Then there's the part where the cell phones are made in the heaviest polluting country on the planet that cares not one bit about their carbon emissions.

It would be like my vegan gf protesting against meat eaters before having a burger for lunch. At least she walks the walk.

PRB
09-22-2014, 07:06 PM
The power to charge their phones and power the cell network come from coal plants or nuclear plants. The plastic to build the phone case comes from petroleum. The chips are full of rare earth metals that are strip mined. Their cars are full of the same materials on an even larger scale. These products do not materialize out of thin air but rather are mined, formed, assembled and operated through means that contribute to the carbon emissions they are seeking to eliminate.

nucular plants have almost no carbon emissions.

Dr.3D
09-22-2014, 07:13 PM
nucular plants have almost no carbon emissions.
Yeah, but the spent fuel is pretty nasty and it seems nobody knows what to do with it.

BlackTerrel
09-22-2014, 07:15 PM
With all the changes in the climate over hundreds of thousands of years the idea what we humans are changing it in such a short amount of time is the height of arrogance.

BlackTerrel
09-22-2014, 07:18 PM
Controversial Dicaprio led the march... that says something about the credibility of this march's concern for humanity's welfare.


http://www.thejc.com/files/imagecache/simchach_galleria/images/leo-shimon.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=bFSjE2KwMe2dGM&tbnid=pC_zukkdRIRbDM:&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thejc.com%2Fgalleries%2Fshowb iz-galleries%2Ftouring-israel-celebrity-style-0%3Fimg%3D8&ei=1YcfVJ_NBpT9sASL54KwCA&bvm=bv.75775273,d.cWc&psig=AFQjCNG4k6LIPxECLXd8rRiviOF0Z9087g&ust=1411438896883297)



Palestinian officials: Israel's shelling of Gaza equivalent to six nuclear bombs
Friday, 22 August 2014 12:03

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/13646-palestinian-officials-israels-shelling-of-gaza-equivalent-to-6-nuclear-bombs

http://www.thetotalcollapse.com/wp-content/uploads/372852_Israel-Gaza-Smoke.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=gVNXOLghX3gwMM&tbnid=F_NbeE5jwu_BBM:&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetotalcollapse.com%2Fdeath-toll-from-israels-war-on-gaza-rises-to-961%2F&ei=CsIfVP77KcHygwT88YKgCQ&bvm=bv.75775273,d.eXY&psig=AFQjCNGCmg4TGs6O0hYLgE02XO2kMRRc-Q&ust=1411453806446362)


http://www.unep.org/disastersandconflicts/UNEPsActivities/GazaStrip/tabid/55025/Default.aspx

http://www.unep.org/pdf/dmb/unep_gaza_ea.pdf

With all the time I've been gone I still marvel at your ability to take any topic and move to discuss Israel/Palestine.

One day we'll play a game where I post an article about some obscure topic and you change the topic to Israel in 250 characters or less.

phill4paul
09-22-2014, 07:20 PM
Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by fault lines that cannot sit still.
Followed by millions of dumbfounded dip shits.

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see Armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will cause
I sure could use a vacation from this

Stupid shit, silly shit, stupid shit...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCEeAn6_QJo

moostraks
09-22-2014, 08:20 PM
With all the changes in the climate over hundreds of thousands of years the idea what we humans are changing it in such a short amount of time is the height of arrogance.

Woah! Hey BT. Long time no see. Arrogant indeed...

fr33
09-22-2014, 08:24 PM
"Stop climate change and give me free shit!"

HOLLYWOOD
09-22-2014, 08:35 PM
DeCaprio to push Climate change globally, via his private jet.

Socialists... the useful idiots of the Marxists.


http://x17online.com/LDiCaprioPrivate110208_01_X.jpg

oh... and via private yachts

http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Photos-clockwise-from-top-left-Getty-Images-AFP-Getty-Images-YouTube-screenshot-Wmagazinevevo-Getty-Images.jpg

orenbus
09-22-2014, 08:38 PM
Yeah, but the spent fuel is pretty nasty and it seems nobody knows what to do with it.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R4R4T7is5jM/Tk3PPfQp6dI/AAAAAAAAAsA/_PJKAt6PYYw/s640/superman4.png

Dr.3D
09-22-2014, 08:39 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R4R4T7is5jM/Tk3PPfQp6dI/AAAAAAAAAsA/_PJKAt6PYYw/s640/superman4.png
Imagine having an accident trying to put it in space. What would happen if it re-entered and burned up in the atmosphere?

orenbus
09-22-2014, 08:41 PM
Imagine having an accident trying to put it in space. What would happen if it re-entered and burned up in the atmosphere?

IDK superman pulled it off no reason we can't.

fr33
09-22-2014, 08:51 PM
DeCaprio to push Climate change globally, via his private jet.

Socialists... the useful idiots of the Marxists.

He also gets to smoke and not be harassed about it. It must be nice to a privileged puppet.

devil21
09-22-2014, 08:53 PM
nucular plants have almost no carbon emissions.

The uranium needed to operate it is conjured from thin air, not mined by large machines that run on fossil fuels?

And they say we libertarians want to return to the stone age. :rolleyes:

mad cow
09-23-2014, 12:42 AM
DeCaprio to push Climate change globally, via his private jet.

Socialists... the useful idiots of the Marxists.


http://x17online.com/LDiCaprioPrivate110208_01_X.jpg

oh... and via private yachts

http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Photos-clockwise-from-top-left-Getty-Images-AFP-Getty-Images-YouTube-screenshot-Wmagazinevevo-Getty-Images.jpg

Not to mention his multiple Hollywood mansions,his luxury NYC apartment or his private Caribbean Island.
http://www.bornrich.com/leonardo-dicaprio.html

I bet that yacht burns more fuel in 24 hours than I have burned in my V-8 4 wheel drive pickup truck in the last ten years,and which one does Leonardo want to outlaw?

Yep,the super rich liberals supported by the useful idiots.

rolirn
09-23-2014, 01:20 AM
That reporter wasn't even challenging Kennedy that much, but he still got bent out of shape. Kennedy not only grabs her microphone, but his little friend in the background starts wagging his finger at the reporter. lol

She should have asked him this:

“Don’t stronger environmental laws mean higher costs?”

“And don’t higher costs mean more pollution?”

PRB
09-23-2014, 02:55 AM
Sad panda time.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/environment/smart-phones-uses-as-much-energy-as-a-refrigerator

maybe it's the fact we have better energy saving refrigerators, while smartphones and computers are relatively new.

the paper actually attributes it to the use of wireless networks, which would be no better if your device was a tablet or computer. Smartphones are just one of many devices which use the same wireless technology. Is wireless communication less energy consuming than using copper wires? are smartphones more efficient than computers 10 years ago?

PRB
09-23-2014, 02:57 AM
She should have asked him this:

“Don’t stronger environmental laws mean higher costs?”

“And don’t higher costs mean more pollution?”

How about we start off on the right foot and stop conflating climate with pollution? CO2 is not a pollutant or poison. Causing climate change is not polluting.

PRB
09-23-2014, 02:58 AM
I bet that yacht burns more fuel in 24 hours than I have burned in my V-8 4 wheel drive pickup truck in the last ten years,and which one does Leonardo want to outlaw?


How many people have yachts?

And what would it matter how much fuel is burned if you don't accept that carbon emissions influence climate?

green73
09-23-2014, 03:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQxia_M-NkU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQxia_M-NkU

Ronin Truth
09-23-2014, 03:32 AM
I wonder about how many of those 400,000 marchers legally pay zero in income tax each year and/or are on welfare and feeding at the taxpayer trough?

Ronin Truth
09-23-2014, 03:40 AM
Yeah, but the spent fuel is pretty nasty and it seems nobody knows what to do with it.

Well it could be sent on a slow rocket into the Sun. POOF! Vaporized. ;) :D

Next insoluble problem?

Cdn_for_liberty
09-23-2014, 07:30 AM
the climate change debate has never been about the science. it's always been about control.

Ronin Truth
09-23-2014, 08:01 AM
the climate change debate has never been about the science. it's always been about control.

"If you want to understand, what's REALLY going on, just follow the money!" ;)

AuH20
09-23-2014, 09:06 AM
Ron Paul posted this the other day on his twitter account:

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/un-climate-summit-dirty-little-secret-about-global-warming-obama-doesnt-want?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CatoRecentOpeds+%28Cato+Recen t+Op-eds%29

Dr.3D
09-23-2014, 09:08 AM
Well it could be sent on a slow rocket into the Sun. POOF! Vaporized. ;) :D

Next insoluble problem?
It's too dangerous to transport it outside of the atmosphere. One accident and poof, the atmosphere is polluted with radioactive material.

AuH20
09-23-2014, 09:09 AM
the climate change debate has never been about the science. it's always been about control.

Sounds like a plot device from a cheesy Michael Bay Film...


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LmnfHrpDa_4/TrROVVmT1UI/AAAAAAAABGE/vxzZgQZz8h8/s1600/newworldorder-13.jpg

AuH20
09-23-2014, 09:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQxia_M-NkU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQxia_M-NkU

The Federal Reserve is far more dangerous than this global warming myth. With that said, I don't think people should conflate ecological conservation with this cult movement. I don't think losing thousand of acres of the Amazon rain forest every day is a good trend for the planet.

HOLLYWOOD
09-23-2014, 09:12 AM
I'd like to see the circus stop a pole shift or a CME.

Idiots

devil21
09-23-2014, 12:48 PM
Every day I quietly thank whoever the brave soul was that leaked all the Climategate emails. A true whistleblower hero. Lord only knows where we'd be today if that hadn't happened and the AGW hysteria of that time had continued unabated.

PRB
09-23-2014, 05:06 PM
Every day I quietly thank whoever the brave soul was that leaked all the Climategate emails. A true whistleblower hero. Lord only knows where we'd be today if that hadn't happened and the AGW hysteria of that time had continued unabated.

the climategate emails did not discredit any major claims on climate predictions. CRU wasn't and still isn't the source of temperature data, nor are they the last stop to policy making. CRU can burn down and climate change theory would still stand on available evidence on its own.

osan
09-23-2014, 05:16 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/21/peoples-climate-march_n_5857902.html

Human stupidity truly knows no bound. It is the truest expression of infinity in the universe.

osan
09-23-2014, 05:21 PM
Is any of them non-commie?

Is that a serious question?

phill4paul
09-23-2014, 05:42 PM
Aherm....


West Coast warming linked to naturally occurring changes

Naturally occurring changes in winds, not human-caused climate change, are responsible for most of the warming on land and in the sea along the West Coast of North America over the last century, a study has found.

The analysis challenges assumptions that the buildup of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere has been a significant driver of the increase in temperatures observed over many decades in the ocean and along the coastline from Alaska to California.

http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-pacific-warming-20140923-story.html

alucard13mm
09-23-2014, 06:30 PM
what does wasting smartphones have to do with climate? are you suggesting people who hate oil companies and want carbon emissions have to hate capitalism?

I am suggesting that these people want more government regulations to make sure air/water is clean. As consumers, if they have a problem a way company does things, then don't buy.

They want things, things that is probably made with a lot of waste products and pollution. They want it, but at the same time they want government to step in to make it a cleaner process so they feel less guilty about it. What they should do is not buy things from company that pollutes.

FindLiberty
09-23-2014, 08:08 PM
Well it could be sent on a slow rocket into the Sun...
Funny you should mention this... [Regarding how to dispose of nuclear waste.]

My UFO friends have shown me just how difficult it really is to "fly into the sun" from the Earth.

I think it's because the sun already has a HUGE gravitational pull on the not too measly gravity
of the entire Earth (that we are all already very familiar with) and the two are in perfect (elliptical)
orbital equilibrium with each other. It takes a "fast" rocket that has lots of "oomph" to gradually
get off the ground and into an orbit around the earth (or around the moon). It’s even possible to
"slingshot" near hit passes around the moon or around other planets with some clever orbital
mechanics calculations and the application of lots of additional "oomph" to the rocket.

Everything about those rocket rides mentioned above involve very high speed and adding even
higher speed /sling shot space flight(s) that originate from the already high relative speed of
an Earth-based launch pad (off of the ground that's already moving in orbit around the sun,
almost once each year).

The difficulty is slowing down from Earth's orbit round the sun. This requires a whole lot more
"oomph" to stop from orbiting the sun. Although it could be accomplished by complex reverse
slingshot "near hits" around the moon and/or other nearby planets, it's just not practical to
use the sun as a waste basket. There might even be a little solar wind blow back, like pissing
into a fan.

In any case, dispersing the contamination, evenly, over a wide area might bring the danger back
down to background radiation levels. Maybe even a rocket malfunction and disintegration
while in low earth orbit would have an acceptable, even desirable population reducing increase
in cancer and painful death. (Take all the climate chance activists, please.) Probably not
a good plan.

It would require far less "oomph" energy and magnitudes easier orbital mechanics precision
to simply shoot for a "near miss" at the moon and turn it into our "local" off-world garbage
dump.

While it's possible to recycle and re-process those self-contaminated/spent nuclear fuel rods
back into useable fuel rods (hopefully with better results than a retreaded truck tire), it's best
to just figure out a "safe" location to store the deadly nuclear waste products, like forever.

I'm sure the central planners will consider their options/profits and then force some
ham-fisted solution on eva’body else.

http://news.sciencemag.org/asiapacific/2014/09/fukushima-radiation-still-poisoning-insects

FindLiberty
09-23-2014, 08:22 PM
It just looks like circus to me... a parade for politicians to step in front of and "lead"!
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2084622/thumbs/o-PEOPLES-CLIMATE-MARCH-570.jpg

PRB
09-24-2014, 01:14 AM
I am suggesting that these people want more government regulations to make sure air/water is clean.


Climate change has nothing to do with water, air or soil being clean. Unless you're talking about floods, droughts and hurricanes which affect potable water.



As consumers, if they have a problem a way company does things, then don't buy.


Exactly, which is why I have a right to stop hearing about people bitch about Monsanto and drug companies.



They want things, things that is probably made with a lot of waste products and pollution. They want it, but at the same time they want government to step in to make it a cleaner process so they feel less guilty about it. What they should do is not buy things from company that pollutes.

Really though, how do you know they don't?

devil21
09-24-2014, 02:15 AM
the climategate emails did not discredit any major claims on climate predictions. CRU wasn't and still isn't the source of temperature data, nor are they the last stop to policy making. CRU can burn down and climate change theory would still stand on available evidence on its own.

No one will ever forget "hide the decline".

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/11/23/climategate-2-0-new-e-mails-rock-the-global-warming-debate/


A new batch of 5,000 emails among scientists central to the assertion that humans are causing a global warming crisis were anonymously released to the public yesterday, igniting a new firestorm of controversy nearly two years to the day after similar emails ignited the Climategate scandal.

Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails: (1) prominent scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions; (2) these scientists view global warming as a political “cause” rather than a balanced scientific inquiry and (3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data.

Regarding scientific transparency, a defining characteristic of science is the open sharing of scientific data, theories and procedures so that independent parties, and especially skeptics of a particular theory or hypothesis, can replicate and validate asserted experiments or observations. Emails between Climategate scientists, however, show a concerted effort to hide rather than disseminate underlying evidence and procedures.

“I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI [Freedom of Information] Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the process,”writes Phil Jones, a scientist working with the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), in a newly released email.

“Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research grants we get – and has to be well hidden,” Jones writes in another newly released email. “I’ve discussed this with the main funder (U.S. Dept of Energy) in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original station data.”

The original Climategate emails contained similar evidence of destroying information and data that the public would naturally assume would be available according to freedom of information principles. “Mike, can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith [Briffa] re AR4 [UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 4th Assessment]?” Jones wrote to Penn State University scientist Michael Mann in an email released in Climategate 1.0. “Keith will do likewise. … We will be getting Caspar [Ammann] to do likewise. I see that CA [the Climate Audit Web site] claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature paper!!”

The new emails also reveal the scientists’ attempts to politicize the debate and advance predetermined outcomes.

“The trick may be to decide on the main message and use that to guid[e] what’s included and what is left out” of IPCC reports, writes Jonathan Overpeck, coordinating lead author for the IPCC’s most recent climate assessment.

“I gave up on [Georgia Institute of Technology climate professor] Judith Curry a while ago. I don’t know what she thinks she’s doing, but its not helping the cause,” wrote Mann in another newly released email.

“I have been talking w/ folks in the states about finding an investigative journalist to investigate and expose” skeptical scientist Steve McIntyre, Mann writes in another newly released email.

These new emails add weight to Climategate 1.0 emails revealing efforts to politicize the scientific debate. For example, Tom Wigley, a scientist at the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research, authored a Climategate 1.0 email asserting that his fellow Climategate scientists “must get rid of” the editor for a peer-reviewed science journal because he published some papers contradicting assertions of a global warming crisis.

More than revealing misconduct and improper motives, the newly released emails additionally reveal frank admissions of the scientific shortcomings of global warming assertions.

“Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical troposphere unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a wealth of others. This is just downright dangerous. We need to communicate the uncertainty and be honest. Phil, hopefully we can find time to discuss these further if necessary,” writes Peter Thorne of the UK Met Office.

“I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run,” Thorne adds.

“Mike, The Figure you sent is very deceptive … there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model results by individual authors and by IPCC,” Wigley acknowledges.

More damaging emails will likely be uncovered during the next few days as observers pour through the 5,000 emails. What is already clear, however, is the need for more objective research and ethical conduct by the scientists at the heart of the IPCC and the global warming discussion.

PRB
09-24-2014, 02:26 AM
No one will ever forget "hide the decline".


Do you even know what they're referring to by that?

http://www.skepticalscience.com/Mikes-Nature-trick-hide-the-decline-advanced.htm

devil21
09-24-2014, 02:29 AM
Do you even know what they're referring to by that?

Does it matter? They're a bunch of liars pushing political causes and money making ventures under the guise of impartial science. Climategate exposed it and everyone paying attention knew it. Sun deniers are creepy.

PRB
09-24-2014, 02:36 AM
Does it matter?


You don't know what you're talking about, so yes, it matters.



They're a bunch of liars pushing political causes


Who is they?



and money making ventures under the guise of impartial science.


By what standard do you judge whether they are impartial science?



Climategate exposed it and everyone paying attention knew it. Sun deniers are creepy.

Saying it a million times won't make it true. I just called you out on your ignorance and gullibility, you bought the media lie that climate exposed some lie or conspiracy, you don't even know what the emails were referring to. YOU are the one who paid no attention, or else you'd actually know what 'hide the decline' meant, you'd actually know CRU e-mails exposed nothing about temperature data, CRU is not any authority on temperature publishing...etc.

Sun deniers? What evidence about solar activity influencing the climate are sun deniers denying and ignoring?

moostraks
09-24-2014, 05:12 AM
Climate change has nothing to do with water, air or soil being clean. Unless you're talking about floods, droughts and hurricanes which affect potable water.



Exactly, which is why I have a right to stop hearing about people bitch about Monsanto and drug companies.



Really though, how do you know they don't?

Monsanto and drug companies force their products upon the public. In the case of Monsanto, polluting other fields with their products when the seeds disperse which spoils the other farm and then suing for theft ironically. So to compare those protests to the climate change argument is apples to oranges.

These climate change folks want more government aggression in the market. These protesters are useful idiots for the big corporations that will merely, as they have proven, ship jobs out of the country and product back in all while destroying smaller production which will have less of a footprint in the long run. These folks will be used to destroy the very options true climate change believers desperately need to exploit.

The folks who shipped themselves out of area into NYC are hypocrites. Instead of walking the walk, they are narcissistic attention seekers. If the out of town protesters were really concerned, instead of going to NYC which compromised their own core values, they would be in smaller rallies and have drawn in those locals which could not afford to travel nor should they be traveling according to the arguments that are employed in their very protests.

osan
09-24-2014, 05:30 AM
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2084622/thumbs/o-PEOPLES-CLIMATE-MARCH-570.jpg


"People's Climate March"?

More like Idiot's Stoopidity March.

osan
09-24-2014, 05:33 AM
"Stop climate change and give me free shit!"

All you need is love.

osan
09-24-2014, 05:46 AM
how on earth do they get so many to show up for something like that?

Because Americans have been very successfully rewired to find stupidity impossibly attractive. There is an enormous subset population that appears unable to resist idiocy. The more profoundly vacuous and inane a given issue or thing, the more hopelessly draw they are.

You have to give Themme kudos for having pulled this off with such complete strength. Those poor dumb bastards which we call our "fellow Americans" never saw it coming and will never be able to until a millisecond before the blade enters their necks, which I believe will rate quite the mercy. OTOH, when you're that stupid the wretchedness of your profoundly mere existence is hidden from you.

In the immortal words of the Wicked Witch of the West: "What a world, what a world..."

Origanalist
09-24-2014, 06:42 AM
Is any of them non-commie?


Negative , all commies .


Is that a serious question?

Climate Movement Drops Mask, Admits Communist Agenda

ommunists along with a few environmental groups staged a “People’s Climate Rally” in Oakland, California on Sunday, September 21, in conjunction with the larger “People’s Climate March” in New York City on the same day.

Wait — did I say communists? Isn’t that a bit of an exaggeration?


Well…no.

At the New York event, many people noticed that gee, there sure are a lot of communists at this march. But in Oakland — always on the cutting edge — the entire “climate change” movement at last fully, irrevocably and overtly embraced communism as its stated goal. Any concerns about “optics” or operating in “stealth mode” were abandoned.

The “climate change” “crisis” is now nothing but the latest justification for “total revolution” and getting rid of capitalism forever.

http://cdn.pjmedia.com/zombie/files/2014/09/IMG_6197.jpg

Yes, capitalism itself is the problem. The primary message of the People’s Climate Rally was this: Climate change is caused by capitalism, and merely attempting to reform capitalism will not stop global warming; it is impossible to work within the existing system if we want to save the planet. We must replace it with a new social and economic system entirely.

Until recently, those attacking the capitalist system as the cause of global warming were intentionally a little vague as to what will replace it if we are to solve the problem. But on Sunday in Oakland, that curtain was drawn back and the new system was finally revealed: Communism. Or at least hardcore socialism as Marx defined it — the necessary transitional phase before true complete communism (i.e. no private property, no families, no individualism). Most countries we tend to think of as “communist” actually self-defined as “socialist”: The USSR, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, for example, was (as its name reveals) socialist. I point out this detail in case anybody reading this article thinks that the “socialism” advocated at the rally was merely some kind of squishy soft-hearted semi-capitalism; no, it is the same type of socialism one finds in places generally thought of as communist.

Below you will find irrefutable proof that communist ideologies, organizations and phraseologies have completely moved to the forefront of the “climate change” movement. (I was originally tempted to say that the communists, as they are wont to do, have merely “co-opted” environmentalism. But that would imply that the goal of global warming scaremongering was something other than “destroying capitalism” in the first place. At this point I now know that destroying capitalism has always been the goal; the only thing that changed on Sunday is that the mask was dropped.)

This proof will necessarily entail posting a lot of photographs; in situations like this, the only way to conclusively demonstrate a point is through repetition of evidence. One could summarize the evidence with a few shorthand images, but that would leave open the possibility that the case was being overstated. To quash that counter-argument before it arises, I will post lots and lots and lots and lots of images from all over the rally, from the sponsors, to the attendees, to the booths, to the speakers, to show beyond any doubt that the entire rally was thoroughly saturated with communism and socialism to the point where these ideologies were the overarching theme of the event.

Ready? All the photos below were taken at the People’s Climate Rally in Oakland on September 21, 2014.

http://cdn.pjmedia.com/zombie/files/2014/09/IMG_6129.jpg

http://cdn.pjmedia.com/zombie/files/2014/09/IMG_6130b.jpg

There is a LOT more at....http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2014/09/23/climate-movement-drops-mask-admits-communist-agenda/?singlepage=true

Chester Copperpot
09-24-2014, 06:59 AM
If you watch the accompanying DiCaprio interview, Bernie Sanders says that climate change is now become a national defense issue according to the DOD..

Well if its national defense, then they dont need any congressional approval.. theyll just start doing shit.

devil21
09-24-2014, 03:39 PM
You don't know what you're talking about, so yes, it matters.

Matters not what I do or don't know since it succeeded in derailing the AGW global warming taxation agenda and that makes me happy.



Who is they?

Mainly Al Gore and his cronies and the scientists that were paid to push the AGW taxation agenda using faux science. Especially the ones that tried to use media smear campaigns to damage the reputation of dissenting scientists, instead of debating their opponents on the merits.



By what standard do you judge whether they are impartial science?

What is this, 20 questions? The observant can always tell a troll by the fact that they do nothing but ask questions, hoping to find something to poke holes in, in the reply, instead of making their own arguments in favor of their view.



Saying it a million times won't make it true. I just called you out on your ignorance and gullibility, you bought the media lie that climate exposed some lie or conspiracy, you don't even know what the emails were referring to. YOU are the one who paid no attention, or else you'd actually know what 'hide the decline' meant, you'd actually know CRU e-mails exposed nothing about temperature data, CRU is not any authority on temperature publishing...etc.

Oh yeah that reminded me of the other troll hallmark. Hurling personal insults instead of actually making an argument in favor of the troll's viewpoint. I paid plenty of attention. Once I realized that AGW global warming was a fraud I stopped worrying about it. Proven right too since it then morphed into "climate change" when the models were shown to be bogus, the scientists shown to be on the gravy train and shown to be unethical.



Sun deniers? What evidence about solar activity influencing the climate are sun deniers denying and ignoring?

All of it. The climate always changes and the sun always changes. Seems like basic common sense to see the correlation. I was physically affected by the recent CMEs that hit Earth but I'm supposed to believe sun fluctuations are less responsible for temperature and climate changes than my car is. LOL ok.

Dunno about you but it's damn cold here today for only the 2nd day of fall. I should go let my car idle in the driveway for a few hours to warm things up! Perhaps you should kill yourself so you stop polluting the earth with that poisonous damaging CO2 gas.

PRB
09-24-2014, 11:41 PM
Matters not what I do or don't know since it succeeded in derailing the AGW global warming taxation agenda and that makes me happy.


That's the spirit, I don't care about the truth, I just care about my agenda.



Mainly Al Gore and his cronies and the scientists that were paid to push the AGW taxation agenda using faux science.


Who were these scientists paid to push an agenda? I bet you don't know and don't care.



Especially the ones that tried to use media smear campaigns to damage the reputation of dissenting scientists, instead of debating their opponents on the merits.


Name the scientist(s) who published something worth debating which deserved to be heard and not smeared/discredited/ridiculed. Again, I bet you don't know and don't care.



What is this, 20 questions? The observant can always tell a troll by the fact that they do nothing but ask questions, hoping to find something to poke holes in, in the reply, instead of making their own arguments in favor of their view.


No, you're thinking about a denier. I actually know my stuff which is why it's easy to ask a few questions and expose how little you know/care, at least admit you only care about taxation.



Oh yeah that reminded me of the other troll hallmark. Hurling personal insults instead of actually making an argument in favor of the troll's viewpoint. I paid plenty of attention.


You're the one calling people liars. If you paid attention you'd actually know what "hide the decline" means.



Once I realized that AGW global warming was a fraud I stopped worrying about it. Proven right too since it then morphed into "climate change" when the models were shown to be bogus, the scientists shown to be on the gravy train and shown to be unethical.


This again, that REALLY proves you don't know what you're talking about. "Climate change" is not a new phrase. What do you think IPCC stands for?



All of it. The climate always changes and the sun always changes.


Except the sun rises and sets every day, right?



Seems like basic common sense to see the correlation.


Except there isn't.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming-basic.htm



I was physically affected by the recent CMEs that hit Earth but I'm supposed to believe sun fluctuations are less responsible for temperature and climate changes than my car is. LOL ok.


CO2 and greenhouse gases are not physically affecting you?



Dunno about you but it's damn cold here today for only the 2nd day of fall.


There we go again, ignorance, plain ignorance, you think that global warming means
-it'll always be warmer and only warmer
-temperature is measured by your own subjective feeling of "it's cold cuz i sez so"



I should go let my car idle in the driveway for a few hours to warm things up! Perhaps you should kill yourself so you stop polluting the earth with that poisonous damaging CO2 gas.

I should kill myself because I don't deny global warming? Did you hear me ONCE say I am OK with carbon taxing?

Did you hear me once say CO2 is poison or pollution?