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Brett85
09-12-2014, 02:42 PM
Sigh. All these developments don't seem good at all for Rand's chances in 2016.

http://www.longislandpress.com/2014/09/11/poll-americans-terror-concerns-trump-civil-liberties/


Half of Americans today say the government’s anti-terrorism policies have not gone far enough to protect the country, while about one-third of people say those same policies have gone too far in restricting civil liberties—a precipitous change from one year ago.

Americans’ rising angst regarding terrorism was revealed by the Pew Research Center on the same day that President Barack Obama outlined his strategy to “degrade and ultimately destroy” ISIS militants in a nationally televised speech Wednesday.

“I have made it clear that we will hunt down terrorists who threaten our country, wherever they are,” Obama declared. “That means I will not hesitate to take action against ISIL in Syria, as well as Iraq. This is a core principle of my presidency: If you threaten America, you will find no safe haven.”

The Obama administration plans to “eradicate a cancer like ISIL,” another name used for the Sunni militant group ISIS, by sending 475 additional service members to Iraq to support and train Iraqi and Kurdish forces, as well as assist with intelligence. Obama, who was elected to office largely because of his opposition to the Iraq war instigated by President George W. Bush, insisted those troops won’t have a combat mission. “We will not get dragged into another ground war in Iraq,” he claimed.

The president also requested that Congress give his administration the authorization to train and equip moderate opposition forces in Syria battling Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s regime.

“We must strengthen the opposition as the best counterweight to extremists like ISIL, while pursuing the political solution necessary to solve Syria’s crisis once and for all,” Obama said.

The Pew poll released Wednesday found that 62 percent of Americans are “very concerned” about the rise of Islamic extremism in the world, and 53 percent are worried about such extremism rising in the US.

In a previous survey conducted in August, 67 percent of people identified ISIS as a “major threat to the US.”

But Obama said that authorities have not uncovered any ISIS plots at home, though he did note that the intelligence community believes “some” Americans have joined the militant group in Syria and Iraq.

It’s still unclear what kind of threat, if at all, ISIS poses to the homeland, according to a New York Times report on Thursday.

“It’s hard to imagine a better indication of the ability of elected officials and TV talking heads to spin the public into a panic, with claims that the nation is honeycombed with sleeper cells, that operatives are streaming across the border into Texas or that the group will soon be spraying Ebola virus on mass transit systems—all on the basis of no corroborated information,” Daniel Benjamin, a former Obama State Department counterterrorism adviser, told the Times.

From the report:


“[Benjamin] said the public discussion about the ISIS threat has been a “farce,” with “members of the cabinet and top military officers all over the place describing the threat in lurid terms that are not justified.”

One year after NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden revealed mass government surveillance at home and abroad, most Americans are becoming more concerned with how the government is combating terrorism than how it impacts civil liberties.

Only 35 percent of those polled say current anti-terrorism policies have gone “too far” in restricting civil liberties. That is a stark difference from July 2013 when Pew found that 47 percent said those policies go too far in impeding civil liberties.

“That marked the first time in nearly a decade of Pew Research Center polling that more expressed concern over civil liberties than protection against terrorism,” Pew said.

The recent slayings of hundreds of people in Iraq and Syria by ISIS, including the beheadings of two American journalists by the group, could also be impacting how Americans view Muslims.

According to the poll, half of Americans now say that Islam encourages violence more than other religions, up 7 percent since July and 12 percent since February.

Obama touched on the extremists’ warped ideology of the religion early in his speech:

“Now let’s make two things clear: ISIL is not ‘Islamic.’ No religion condones the killing of innocents,” Obama said. “And the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim. And ISIL is certainly not a state. It was formerly al-Qaeda’s affiliate in Iraq, and has taken advantage of sectarian strife and Syria’s civil war to gain territory on both sides of the Iraq-Syrian border. It is recognized by no government, nor by the people it subjugates. ISIL is a terrorist organization, pure and simple. And it has no vision other than the slaughter of all who stand in its way.”

aGameOfThrones
09-12-2014, 02:52 PM
Next election we vote out the tyrants... Or in the one after the next... We'll get them eventually...

Anti Federalist
09-12-2014, 02:58 PM
No suprise here.

People, mostly, hate freedom, do not want it, will actively fight to curtail it and will report you to authorities for exercising it.

They'd sacrifice their first born, if government told them it would "keep them safe".

We are so far removed from the people that forged this nation as to be a different species.

Anti Federalist
09-12-2014, 02:59 PM
Next election we vote out the tyrants... Or in the one after the next... We'll get them eventually...

SWLODs...that'll do the trick.

Anti Federalist
09-12-2014, 02:59 PM
Next election we vote out the tyrants... Or in the one after the next... We'll get them eventually...

SWLODs...that'll do the trick.

donnay
09-12-2014, 03:09 PM
Does anyone ever think they put up these phony polls to make those of us that love liberty feel isolated?

I am not buying it. Even the one comment in there points out that they are the 35%.

ghengis86
09-12-2014, 03:15 PM
No suprise here.

People, mostly, hate freedom, do not want it, will actively fight to curtail it and will report you to authorities for exercising it.

They'd sacrifice their first born, if government told them it would "keep them safe".

We are so far removed from the people that forged this nation as to be a different species.

This. People do not want freedom. They want to be comfortable, "happy" and above all, safe from the unknown.

How do you convince the foodstamp-fed welfare queen living in subsidized housing that she should vote for the guy (or gal) that wants to reduce and eliminate her free food, free cash and free house? You can't because no one will vote to slit their own throat or make life harder or more strenuous. Our dear leaders learned this long ago. Have we?

Anti Federalist
09-12-2014, 03:16 PM
Does anyone ever think they put up these phony polls to make those of us that love liberty feel isolated?

I am not buying it. Even the one comment in there points out that they are the 35%.

Meh, one poll? Sure.

Ten polls and elections? Probably not.

Thousands of polls, elections, ballots, plebiscites and referendums? Not a chance.

People hate liberty.

Always have, human history has a million chapters and a million matyrs that have tried to bring liberty to the people.

They want to be fed, entertained and exercise some petty power over their fellow men.

69360
09-12-2014, 03:44 PM
If Rand wants to overcome this, he needs to start pushing the idea that IS is only a threat to us BECAUSE OF OBAMA. Put the blame squarely where it belongs. If Obama didn't bomb them there wouldn't have been threats made and Americans killed. This is an absolutely prime moment for Rand if he plays it right. Support eliminating the threat, while putting the blame on Obama and by extension Hillary.

otherone
09-12-2014, 03:47 PM
Americans’ Terror Concerns Trump Civil Liberties

THANK GOODNESS WE HAVE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES IN DC WHO SWORE AN OATH TO PROTECT OUR RIGHTS.

http://media1.giphy.com/media/9VS2JAjPdPLQk/giphy.gif

Brett85
09-12-2014, 03:56 PM
If Rand wants to overcome this, he needs to start pushing the idea that IS is only a threat to us BECAUSE OF OBAMA. Put the blame squarely where it belongs. If Obama didn't bomb them there wouldn't have been threats made and Americans killed. This is an absolutely prime moment for Rand if he plays it right. Support eliminating the threat, while putting the blame on Obama and by extension Hillary.

The more important point is that ISIS wouldn't be a threat if Obama hadn't armed and trained them in Syria.

PaulConventionWV
09-12-2014, 04:14 PM
This. People do not want freedom. They want to be comfortable, "happy" and above all, safe from the unknown.

How do you convince the foodstamp-fed welfare queen living in subsidized housing that she should vote for the guy (or gal) that wants to reduce and eliminate her free food, free cash and free house? You can't because no one will vote to slit their own throat or make life harder or more strenuous. Our dear leaders learned this long ago. Have we?

This is the paradox we find ourselves in. We should not have let them take our liberties away in the first place, because once they do, they use their new found power to make us complacent such that we are too dependent on them to try to take away that power. This is why voting won't change anything. The whole idea of voting was intended for people to have a chance to retain their freedom, but the problem is that freedom is no longer a priority. Once you vote to have your liberties taken away and do nothing when the government misuses them, you've made the whole institution of voting invalid. Now it's just an illusion used to simplify the idea of freedom down to having the opportunity to choose which master imposes which kind of burden/relief of said burden on you or someone else. Once you vote away your liberties, you can't vote them back because they don't belong to you anymore. Beside that, your liberties have been replaced with something that keeps you from wanting them enough to revolt against the system to get them back. Yes, I'm afraid America is a lost cause.

PaulConventionWV
09-12-2014, 04:19 PM
If Rand wants to overcome this, he needs to start pushing the idea that IS is only a threat to us BECAUSE OF OBAMA. Put the blame squarely where it belongs. If Obama didn't bomb them there wouldn't have been threats made and Americans killed. This is an absolutely prime moment for Rand if he plays it right. Support eliminating the threat, while putting the blame on Obama and by extension Hillary.

That's exactly what Ron Paul used to say in the debates. "They attack us because we're over there! We've been bombing Iraq for ten years!"

Saying it again isn't going to make a big difference.

NewRightLibertarian
09-12-2014, 04:20 PM
No suprise here.

People, mostly, hate freedom, do not want it, will actively fight to curtail it and will report you to authorities for exercising it.

They'd sacrifice their first born, if government told them it would "keep them safe".

We are so far removed from the people that forged this nation as to be a different species.

Like you said, we gotta cobble together as many refuseniks as possible to drag the rest of the population to freedom kicking and screaming. It's the only way

Christian Liberty
09-12-2014, 04:51 PM
No suprise here.

People, mostly, hate freedom, do not want it, will actively fight to curtail it and will report you to authorities for exercising it.

They'd sacrifice their first born, if government told them it would "keep them safe".

We are so far removed from the people that forged this nation as to be a different species.




That's exactly what Ron Paul used to say in the debates. "They attack us because we're over there! We've been bombing Iraq for ten years!"

Saying it again isn't going to make a big difference.

Yep. Most people just believe what they are told. Its unfortunate.

69360
09-12-2014, 04:59 PM
The more important point is that ISIS wouldn't be a threat if Obama hadn't armed and trained them in Syria.

He didn't. You allege that and you are in tin foil hat territory. That's not a good place to be if you are running for president.

The CIA covertly ran guns to the FSA, not IS. The US government never acknowledged this publicly.

69360
09-12-2014, 05:00 PM
That's exactly what Ron Paul used to say in the debates. "They attack us because we're over there! We've been bombing Iraq for ten years!"

Saying it again isn't going to make a big difference.

It's different this time. People are weary after a decade of war with no results. Plus IS is on video flatly stating they are beheading Americans because Obama bombed them. There is no denying the truth here.

DamianTV
09-12-2014, 05:17 PM
Yeah, people hate Capitalism too because they have been force fed the worst version of it for years. People are told that our current Crony Captialism is the result of a Free Market, so people learn to hate a Free Market. This extends even further into Freedom in general where what we have currently is called Freedom (which its not) and what theyre selling is a far better alternative to Freedom. Then they hate Freedom because of peoples perceptions of the current version of Freedom.

"This coffee tastes like shit!"
"Thats because it IS shit!"

War is Peace

Slavery is Freedom

Wealth is Debt

Black is White

Night is Day

The Marketing of any product or service is far more important than the product or service itself. This is an EXPECTED PAVLOVIAN RESPONSE, and it is being exploited to twist people into giving up everything that is truly important. We are being SOLD War as Peace, and everything else in that list that wasnt mentioned.

Tywysog Cymru
09-12-2014, 06:03 PM
This all has to do with the fact that the media only presents one side, the neocon warmonger side.

Anti Federalist
09-12-2014, 06:12 PM
Like you said, we gotta cobble together as many refuseniks as possible to drag the rest of the population to freedom kicking and screaming. It's the only way

Yes, this, exactly, and this will not be easy. It never is.

DamianTV
09-12-2014, 06:57 PM
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/09/20140912_grave.jpg
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-12/obamas-gravest-threat

PaulConventionWV
09-12-2014, 07:09 PM
It's different this time. People are weary after a decade of war with no results. Plus IS is on video flatly stating they are beheading Americans because Obama bombed them. There is no denying the truth here.

Lol @ "It's different this time."

Radical muslims have always made it known why they are doing this. Osama bin Laden made a similar video and nobody paid attention to that.

First it was bin Laden, then Al Qaeda, now ISIS. It's really not different this time at all.

tod evans
09-12-2014, 07:14 PM
Next election we vote out the tyrants... Or in the one after the next... We'll get them eventually...


SWLODs...that'll do the trick.

:D