Do you believe the ISIS propaganda?

[tod evans]

Just a simple yes-no poll..

I don't believe it.

[jmdrake]

Which parts? I believe ISIS is a group of very bad actors that commit atrocities such as beheading people. I don't believe that funding their FSA allies somehow "fights" ISIS. I don't believe ISIS just grew up spontaneously.

[enhanced_deficit]

ISIS propaganda is as credible as propaganda of RM 1.0 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?459503-ISIS-Revolution-Muslim-2-0&)

So, no.



Which parts? I believe ISIS is a group of very bad actors that commit atrocities such as beheading people. I don't believe that funding their FSA allies somehow "fights" ISIS. I don't believe ISIS just grew up spontaneously.

Do you believe swc Obama's puppet masters helped enable creation of ISIS as retd US Army colonel Mary Ann Wright and other have suggested?

[JK/SEA]

its all bullshit.

follow the money.

[donnay]

No...they (the powers that be) need a crISIS to continue taking our liberties.

[juleswin]

What I find most bizarre is that ISIS seems to be baiting the US into attacking them in Syria. Why would they want the US to attack them in Syria? That just raises a lot of red flags for me. But I don't think its propaganda that ISIS is a powerful fighting force in Syria and Iraq. Just watch some of the battle strategies they've used in Syria and you will understand why they are feared.

[enhanced_deficit]

What I find most bizarre is that ISIS seems to be baiting the US into attacking them in Syria. Why would they want the US to attack them in Syria? That just raises a lot of red flags for me. ..

Look at the bright side, if US launches airstrikes in Syria.. we will be fighting on same side as two of our most trustworthy allies in the world, namely Saudi Arabia and Israel.

Syria: 4 killed, 9 wounded in Israeli airstrikes | Fox News
www.foxnews.com/.../israel-bombs-targets-in-syria-in...Fox (http://www.foxnews.com/.../israel-bombs-targets-in-syria-in...Fox) News Channel
Jun 23, 2014 - It said the attack was a "flagrant violation" of Syrian sovereignty, but in a departure from previous incidents when Israeli warplanes struck targets ...

[luctor-et-emergo]

What propaganda ?

They are definitely a sick bunch of extremists.
We all know how this situation got to be, question is who's responsibility is it to correct mistakes made almost a generation ago.

[AuH20]

ISIS is very real but it didn't just spontaneously appear out of nowhere without Western cultivation.

[enhanced_deficit]

ISIS is very real but it didn't just spontaneously appear out of nowhere without Western cultivation.

It is as real as the US/Israeli/Saudi supported "rebels" in Syria that have been trying to overthrow a Christian friendly Syrian government to weaken Iran's influence.

No need to panic ; Former CIA deputy station chief discusses ISIS with Iraqi Sunni leaders (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?454707-No-need-to-panic-Former-CIA-deputy-station-chief-discusses-ISIS-with-Iraqi-Sunni-leaders&)

[Root]

I don't believe anything FedGov says.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjmjqlOPd6A

[thoughtomator]

‘Vetted Moderate’ Free Syrian Army Commander Admits Alliance with ISIS, Confirms PJ Media Reporting
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/09/10/vetted-moderate-free-syrian-army-commander-admits-alliance-with-isis-confirms-pj-media-reporting/

here's my favorite part:


In April, the Obama administration again turned on the CIA weapons spigot to the FSA, and Obama began calling for an additional $500 million for the “vetted moderate” rebels, but by July the weapons provided to the FSA were yet again being raided and captured by ISIS and other terrorist groups. Remarkably, one Syrian dissident leader reportedly told Al-Quds al-Arabi that the FSA had lost $500 million worth of arms to rival “rebel” groups, much of which ended up being sold to unknown parties in Turkey and Iraq.

[Carlybee]

No, although I'm sure there are members who are not compartmentalized in the loop.

[jmdrake]

ISIS is very real but it didn't just spontaneously appear out of nowhere without Western cultivation.

Yup.

[Brian4Liberty]

Do you believe the ISIS propaganda?

Not specific enough.

I believe that the IS leadership, hard-core followers and associated mercenary thugs are a bunch of ruthless, brutal totalitarians who are ethnically and religiously cleansing every area they conquer, along with some raping and pillaging. They are a threat to all of their neighbors.

I also believe that the IS leadership and true believers are a small minority of the residents of all of the areas that they now control. There are a lot of ordinary Sunni Arabs who have no choice at this point. IS has taken over their home towns, and they are stuck. Do they want the Shiite controlled Central Iraq government back? Probably not. Would they like IS to leave? Probably.

That's what I believe at this point in time. Doesn't make any of it fact.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

"We're dealing with Hitler revisited!"

[FindLiberty]

Maybe ISIS is just another "Peal Harbor" semi-scripted event that's being orchestrated to get WWIII going full tilt.

IMO, ISIS is propaganda that happens to also be manifest evil.

Please don't take the bait.

[heavenlyboy34]

Stef made an interesting vid about this toady:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3iqoYSVoFs It's better than many of his opinion videos because he cites a lot of verifiable sources.

ETA: This is not a substitute for independent research of your own, of course. Take it FWIW.

[Brian4Liberty]

"We're dealing with Hitler revisited!"

Yes, there are people who would like to conquer the world and implement their self-serving government upon everyone, killing many of the people they don't want around anymore.

Hold on, are we talking about ISIS or the neoconservatives?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Hold on, are we talking about ISIS or the neoconservatives?


Yeah, I know. They're the same in my book.


George Bush, Sr on Hussein: "And that's what we're dealing with! We're dealing with Hitler revisited, a totalitarianism and a brutality that is naked and unprecedented in modern times! And that must not stand! We cannot talk about compromise."

[TaftFan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

[CPUd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1xmNx834P8

[vita3]

Build up Angry Islamists, Bomb Angry Islamists.

Repeat.

[juleswin]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

Its also a leading question which makes it weird than anyone would answer yes to believe a propaganda (information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view) And 4 whole people answered yes. I wonder who the 4 troll err I mean members who voted yes are?

[juleswin]

Build up Angry Islamists, Bomb Angry Islamists.

Repeat.

Little correction

Build up Angry Islamists, Use Angry Islamists, Bomb Angry Islamists.

Repeat.

There is always use for cannon fodders in the imperialist fight to rule the world and sadly there are so many stupid people willing to take up that role.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

More propergander, please.

[69360]

It's far to complicated for a yes or no answer.

[Brett85]

I agree with everything Rand has said on this and support his position. We should work with the Iraqi government and work with Assad to root out ISIS. I'm not, however, in favor of Obama's plan. Obama wants to arm the Syrian rebels (ISIS). I'm not exactly sure how we're going to defeat ISIS by arming them. He also wants to continue to train the Iraqi military after we've already been doing that for 10 years. That's more nation building that I can't support. The Iraqi government should get their military in line and get them equipped. Our role in Iraq should simply be to gather intelligence for the Iraqi government and provide air support. Our role in Syria should be to work with Assad and provide him with intelligence about where ISIS is. If we worked with Assad we wouldn't necessarily even have to launch air strikes in Syria; Assad could do it himself and take out ISIS.

[Brian4Liberty]

I agree with everything Rand has said on this and support his position. We should work with the Iraqi government and work with Assad to root out ISIS. I'm not, however, in favor of Obama's plan. Obama wants to arm the Syrian rebels (ISIS). I'm not exactly sure how we're going to defeat ISIS by arming them. He also wants to continue to train the Iraqi military after we've already been doing that for 10 years. That's more nation building that I can't support. The Iraqi government should get their military in line and get them equipped. Our role in Iraq should simply be to gather intelligence for the Iraqi government and provide air support. Our role in Syria should be to work with Assad and provide him with intelligence about where ISIS is. If we worked with Assad we wouldn't necessarily even have to launch air strikes in Syria; Assad could do it himself and take out ISIS.

My take on this remains the same. The major failure is the attempt to nation build and cling to this futile idea that there can be one, happy, united Iraq. The "Iraqi military" at this point is the Shiites. They will never be able to conquer (without US help) and hold the northern Sunni areas. A coalition government has failed. It will continue to fail. It can not be forced.

Let Iraq break up. Help the moderate Sunni's get rid of ISIS. In the long run, all the Shiite's and Kurd's can really do is hold their own home ground.

[Brett85]

My take on this remains the same. The major failure is the attempt to nation build and cling to this futile idea that there can be one, happy, united Iraq. The "Iraqi military" at this point is the Shiites. They will never be able to conquer (without US help) and hold the northern Sunni areas. A coalition government has failed. It will continue to fail. It can not be forced.

That's actually similar to what Rand said on Hannity last night, that Iraq has never really been a "country" and may end up breaking into different parts.

[Massachusetts]

Loaded, intellectually dishonest question. It's like asking "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

You can be opposed to ISIS without being a neo-con...FYI.

[devil21]

No. Or more specifically, every narrative the feds are using as justification to get into Syria is fabricated. Syria "rebels" do exist and most of what is called 'ISIS' is made up of those same people. It's not a complete fairy tale but everything out of the mouths of fed.gov and msm is.

[FindLiberty]

... got lost - took a wrong turn on the Interwebs: https://public.isishq.com/public/about/default.aspx

another wrong turn took me here: http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2014/09/isis-israeli-secret-intelligence-service.html

from here: http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2014/09/isis-israeli-secret-intelligence-service.html

[turns PC off - cuts off own head with crispy strip of bacon]

[thoughtomator]

Well, the whole "September 11 terrorist attack" thing was a dud this year. Or maybe Obama's speech was the terror attack.

[FindLiberty]

...maybe Obama's speech was the terror attack.

now you're talkin'

[lilymc]

No.