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orenbus
09-11-2014, 06:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5k6_KVSCyc

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/us/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-witnesses/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

(CNN) -- Two men, shocked at what they saw, describe an unarmed teenager with his hands up in the air as he's gunned down by a police officer.

They were contractors doing construction work in Ferguson, Missouri, on the day Michael Brown was killed.

And the men, who asked not to be identified after CNN contacted them, said they were about 50 feet away from Officer Darren Wilson when he opened fire.

An exclusive cell phone video captures their reactions during the moments just after the shooting.

"He had his f**n hands up," one of the men says in the video.

The man told CNN he heard one gunshot, then another shot about 30 seconds later.

"The cop didn't say get on the ground. He just kept shooting," the man said.

That same witness described the gruesome scene, saying he saw Brown's "brains come out of his head," again stating, "his hands were up."

The video shows the man raising his arms in the air -- just as, he says, Brown was doing when he was shot.

The other contractor told CNN he saw Brown running away from a police car.

Brown "put his hands up," the construction worker said, and "the officer was chasing him."

The contractor says he saw Wilson fire a shot at Brown while his back was turned.

The men said they didn't seen how the confrontation started.

Other witnesses also said teen's arms were raised

The video, recorded several minutes after the shooting, gives new insight into the case, which has spurred a Justice Department investigation, national debate and protests over authorities' handling of the case.

The construction workers said they don't live in Ferguson and don't know the Brown family, but their account squares with accounts from several other witnesses of the unarmed African-American teen's shooting death on August 9.

Some witnesses say the teenager assaulted the white officer at the outset and tried to grab his gun; other witnesses say Wilson was the aggressor.

A private autopsy conducted for the Brown family showed that Brown had been shot at least six times, including twice in the head.

A grand jury is hearing the case and will determine whether Wilson will face any charges.

Protesters near Interstate 70 and outside the police headquarters on Wednesday, pushing for Gov. Jay Nixon to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Brown's death.

CNN Senior Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin says the video could play an important role in the case.

"You have practically in real time someone discussing what they saw, and that's just good evidence," he said on CNN's "AC360."

Sunny Hostin, a CNN legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, says it's important to note that several witnesses are telling the same story.

"They're saying that he was running from the police officer and that his hands were up," she said. "I don't know what other witness testimony at this point or account we have to hear. The bottom line is having your hands up is the universal sign for surrender."

Neil Bruntrager, general counsel for the St. Louis Police Officers Association, cautioned against rushing to judgment. Witness accounts are important, he said, but need to be evaluated with all the evidence.

"I'm not saying disregard them. I'm saying that we will judge their credibility by all of the evidence, not by one statement, and certainly not by a 15-second video clip," he said.

orenbus
09-11-2014, 06:37 AM
Also as a side note although it really shouldn't matter, I know to some out there it does, the contract worker witnesses just interviewed are White and don't live in Ferguson.

Cap
09-11-2014, 08:09 AM
Thanks for posting. +rep

brushfire
09-11-2014, 08:34 AM
I'd read that the body of Brown was facing the officer, just a few feet away from the officer, with a shot to the top of the head. Anyone else read that?

It'd be nice if we could see more evidence without all the drama and race baiting by the media. Its pretty annoying... Of course the truth must be shrouded for whatever reason... Evidence has to be protected for legal strategy purposes.

thoughtomator
09-11-2014, 08:55 AM
The truth is shrouded because the government knows its agents committed crimes.


For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

sound familiar?

brushfire
09-11-2014, 09:04 AM
The truth is shrouded because the government knows its agents committed crimes.



sound familiar?

Perhaps, but I'd hope that my judgement would be based on the evidence, should I ever have the misfortune of being in such a scenario. My choosing not to testify against myself should not imply guilt (although that seems to be the direction they are going). I think its right to seek the evidence before drawing anything conclusive.

Is the government a slimy piece of sh!t a lot of times, yes. This may be one of those times, just like in the Erik Scott case. Then again, it may not be. I guess I'll have to continue to wait for the trial. Its pretty frustrating with so much coverage on something that we can only get selectively released information on.

TheTexan
09-11-2014, 09:13 AM
Neil Bruntrager, general counsel for the St. Louis Police Officers Association, cautioned against rushing to judgment. Witness accounts are important, he said, but need to be evaluated with all the evidence.

Yes, there may be several witnesses who say they saw the suspect with his hands up when he was shot, but what about the officer's account of what happened? That's whats really important

sparebulb
09-11-2014, 09:17 AM
I guess I'll have to continue to wait for the trial.

There will be no trial. Grand juries are convened for only two predetermined purposes: To justify prosecuting the innocent, or to justify not prosecuting the obviously guilty.

Guess which way this one will go.

If there is going to be any trial, it will be a phoney civil rights case against the city by the feds. Not even the inevitable civil case by Brown's family against the city will ever see the inside of a courtroom. Certain evidence and testimony regarding this case will never see the light of day.

Case nearly closed. Trouble may return to a much poorer city of Ferguson, but the Brown's can count on being able to buy a new Cadillac of their choice and move out of Ferguson.

brushfire
09-11-2014, 09:24 AM
There will be no trial. Grand juries are convened for only two predetermined purposes: To justify prosecuting the innocent, or to justify not prosecuting the obviously guilty.

Guess which way this one will go.

If there is going to be any trial, it will be a phoney civil rights case against the city by the feds. Not even the inevitable civil case by Brown's family against the city will ever see the inside of a courtroom. Certain evidence and testimony regarding this case will never see the light of day.

Case nearly closed. Trouble may return to a much poorer city of Ferguson, but the Brown's can count on being able to buy a new Cadillac of their choice and move out of Ferguson.

You know, the courts are supposed to be public. They pulled this same sh!t with Erik Scott, and did not even hold a trial. Pertinent evidence was not admitted, and every criminal in that case walked free.

I guess it goes to show - who employs the courts? Who employs the officer?

sparebulb
09-11-2014, 09:35 AM
You know, the courts are supposed to be public. They pulled this same sh!t with Erik Scott, and did not even hold a trial. Pertinent evidence was not admitted, and every criminal in that case walked free.

I guess it goes to show - who employs the courts? Who employs the officer?

Yep

presence
09-11-2014, 02:31 PM
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enhanced_deficit
09-11-2014, 03:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5k6_KVSCyc

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/us/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-witnesses/index.html?hpt=hp_t3


Sad to watch this.

It is good this case is getting lot of scrutiny unlike Miriam Carey's execution did... no videos, no detailed witnesses accounts for months but a standing ovation for cops by US Congress then (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?429504-Entire-House-Of-Reps-Gives-Standing-Ovation-To-Cops-After-Killing-Unarmed-Mother&highlight=miriam+carey+shot).

Reminded me of this other tragedy:

Miriam Carey was shot five times from behind (http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/08/us/miriam-carey-autopsy/)
CNN
Apr 10, 2014 - An autopsy report is made public six months after Miriam Carey was shot ... on the pending litigation and while an investigation is ongoing.



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aGameOfThrones
09-11-2014, 03:23 PM
That witness


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brushfire
09-11-2014, 03:23 PM
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I was trying to figure out, based on the entry wounds, whether he was shot with his arms up. Nothing conclusive, however, the autopsy shows at least one gunshot would on the arm that had to be made with the arm down. Its the top one on the right bicep, which coincides with the re-entry on the right pectoral.

The other interesting wound is at the base of the right thumb. The angle suggests that his hand may have been up, but who knows - I'm not a forensic tech, I just play one on Monday mornings.

The entry, exit, and re-entry wounds on the head definitely suggest a lunging angle. Is that also when the lower part of the palm/thumb was shot? When Brown may have been transitioning from hands up to moving down to take cover? Again, its hard to say.

The same shots might have been made with the officer to his right, or if Brown twisted instinctively after being fired upon. Its really hard to say from just the preliminary autopsy diagram - I hope that more evidence comes forth so we can filter out all the medial and political bullsht.

Disclosure: The portion of the image on the right hand side is not from the original doc - I modified it to see if it was possible that any of the bullets stuck brown while his arms were in the air.

http://s23.postimg.org/5akglkvy3/prelim_arm_bend.png