ISIS in Houston

[Carlybee]

Just saw this on FB


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[CPUd]

I don't see this working out well for anyone.

[brushfire]

You just never know when you may run into the boogie man


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQWYEjSnh0s

[twomp]

OMG OMG ISIS is here everyone hide!

[Carlybee]

OMG OMG ISIS is here everyone hide!

Do you have to be an assclown? This was an FYI.

[Carlybee]

Whether they are independent or CIA sponsored, they do like to chop peoples heads off.

[cajuncocoa]

Whether they are independent or CIA sponsored, they do like to chop peoples heads off.
True. It's easy for those who don't live in Houston to blow this off.

9/11 Truthers may be right too, but the people who went to work in the WTC buildings on 9/11 are still dead.

[Acala]

And in a deli too! Probably going to make a dirty bomb with potato salad.

[mad cow]

I saw a werewolf drinkin' a pina colada at Trader Vic's
And his hair was perfect.

[MaxHen]

Isn't the ISIS emblem just a generic Islamic symbol/message? I'm pretty sure it's on the Saudi flag as well.

[orenbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XppeqGaUSlM

[twomp]

Do you have to be an assclown? This was an FYI.

I think it's only fair that you call the other posters above me assclowns too.

[Carlybee]

There are days I wish there was a delete post function on here. Some of the snark gets old especially when it's not particularly funny or clever.

[Carlybee]

I think it's only fair that you call the other posters above me assclowns too.

I am not a democracy.

[orenbus]

OMG OMG ISIS is here everyone hide!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV5AM2kjVxY

[juleswin]

Isn't the ISIS emblem just a generic Islamic symbol/message? I'm pretty sure it's on the Saudi flag as well.

Not at all, they are quite very different. I would post the 2 images side by side but lately I have been hard time posting images to RPF. This sort of events remind me of the H.L. Mencken quote about politics


The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

The problem now is that governments have begun create real hobgoblins and have ditched the imaginary ones

[pcosmar]

Just saw this on FB


You do know that idiots post stuff on FB don't you.

Do you also know that the flag has been around much longer than ISIS?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/14/nj-man-says-isis-flag-flown-on-porch-misunderstanding/


Dunaway, who converted to Islam more than 10 years ago, said the flag was given to him by a friend years ago and that he was unaware that it was used by the Islamic State,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Standard
The Black Flag has a long history,, and various additions for different groups at different times. and was around before ISIS adopted it.

[Dr.3D]

Black Flag kills bugs dead.

[brushfire]

Black Flag kills bugs dead.

You aint kiddin

http://obeygiant.com/images/2011/02/HANK%C2%A9GEF.jpg

[69360]

Isn't the ISIS emblem just a generic Islamic symbol/message? I'm pretty sure it's on the Saudi flag as well.

Yes. It's called the black standard.

It's the shahada. It just says "there is no god but allah, muhammad is the the messenger of god"

There is nothing inherently bad or evil about it. IS just adopted it.

[presence]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3042&d=1409940878

[12:01] I think its a Mossad Agent posing as an ISIL supporter buys a bagel in Houston

[12:15] Nah, FBI attempts to entrap a suicide paxil bomber of the day.

[01:35] Both wrong. Its my Halloween costume. I was just trying it on and posing with friends.

[Carlybee]

You do know that idiots post stuff on FB don't you.

Do you also know that the flag has been around much longer than ISIS?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/14/nj-man-says-isis-flag-flown-on-porch-misunderstanding/


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Standard
The Black Flag has a long history,, and various additions for different groups at different times. and was around before ISIS adopted it.


Yes, idiots also post on here and no I didn't know about the flag.

[kylejack]

I live in Houston. Smells like bullshit to me.

[fr33]

What kind of sandwich did he get?

[CaptainAmerica]

panic panic panic panic. JK ...just keep calm and carry on fools.

[enhanced_deficit]

"Fake neocons" are making these calls for invading ISIS knowing in secret that SWC droneking's puppet masters/ real neocons/zionist funders would not make any real move to disband ISIS as long as it is attacking Iran's allies/Syria or until Maliki/Assad have been removed from power and Iran's allies sufficiently weakened.

ISIS and Israel to attack Hezbullah in Lebanon (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?459389-ISIS-and-Israel-to-attack-Hezbullah-in-Lebanon&)


http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/pipes-320x109.png



Caution Graphic Photo: Fake ‘ISIS Jihadi’ walks across US border (http://www.inquisitr.com/1454452/isis-jihadi-carries-severed-head-across-u-s-border-stunt-shows-how-easy-it-is-to-get-into-america)
http://www.inquisitr.com/1454452/isis-jihadi-carries-severed-head-across-u-s-border-stunt-shows-how-easy-it-is-to-get-into-america


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsUtvOW6SR0
(http://www.inquisitr.com/1454452/isis-jihadi-carries-severed-head-across-u-s-border-stunt-shows-how-easy-it-is-to-get-into-america)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsUtvOW6SR0

[CPUd]

Yes. It's called the black standard.

It's the shahada. It just says "there is no god but allah, muhammad is the the messenger of god"

There is nothing inherently bad or evil about it. IS just adopted it.

It doesn't matter, little details like that. By now, the dude is probably chained to the back of someone's pickup truck.

[P3ter_Griffin]

I live in Houston. Smells like bullshit to me.

lol

[idiom]

It lead to a massive fight in the UK between Gaza Protestors because some muslim ISIS refugees saw the Hamas people waving black flags at a pro-Gaza Rally and beat the crap out of them.

[oyarde]

I have a black flag too , but mine is plain .

[Carlybee]

It doesn't matter, little details like that. By now, the dude is probably chained to the back of someone's pickup truck.

Doubtful. We have a large Muslim population here. I haven't heard of any being chained to a pickup.

[Miss Annie]

Getting people to wake up to the threat of radical Islam is no different and just as frustrating as getting people to wake up to the threat of the Federal Reserve!!

[pessimist]

ISIS is no joke. I'm not saying they're a threat to our national security (yet), but they're a pretty savage group with a level of sophistication to them that demands them to be taken seriously.

I have a feeling Europe and the UK are going to have their hands full with sympathizers of this group in the near future.

[pessimist]

Getting people to wake up to the threat of radical Islam is no different and just as frustrating as getting people to wake up to the threat of the Federal Reserve!!

Radical Islam is far more of a threat to Europe than it is to the US. The US is creating more radical Islamists with their continuous meddling and war mongering in the ME. Also, their undying support for Israel doesn't help either.

[Anti Federalist]

This guy walking into a coffee shop does not unnerve me as much as...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3042&d=1409940878

This guy does.

http://********************************/2014/02/cops2.jpg

[Christian Liberty]

This guy walking into a coffee shop does not unnerve me as much as...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3042&d=1409940878

This guy does.

http://********************************/2014/02/cops2.jpg
True.

[pessimist]

There is no reason to irrationally fear the police. It's true many of them are asshole jock types on power trips, but they are necessary in maintaining order. Let's be honest here: they put their own lives on the line on a daily basis- when a cop pulls over someone or rushes to a domestic disturbance they have no idea what they’re getting into. They have families, pay taxes, and watch college football just like the everyday American.

However, they do need to stop the G.I Joe wannabe police state garbage.

Personally any group of men who roam in packs unnerves me regardless of their titles, social status, or religious/ethnic/racial background.

[KingNothing]

And in a deli too! Probably going to make a dirty bomb with potato salad.


The world's most delicious bomb ever.

[KingNothing]

So, I'm going to go out a limb and suggest that ISIS wouldn't be wearing an ISIS uniform when they go out to a local deli. They're probably a bit more subtle than that.

[Carlybee]

So, I'm going to go out a limb and suggest that ISIS wouldn't be wearing an ISIS uniform when they go out to a local deli. They're probably a bit more subtle than that.

I don't think subtle is the word I would use. They seem to want a lot of attention.

[Acala]

Getting people to wake up to the threat of radical Islam is no different and just as frustrating as getting people to wake up to the threat of the Federal Reserve!!

You must be joking. Or asleep. Muslims are the villain de jour in the mainstream media. Literally a day does not go by that I don't have some viral muslim hate mail sent to me by my Dad. The media pundits are drooling anit-muslim venom. Half the country is ready to bomb the entire religion into extinction. And you find this an inadequate level of alarm? I'm stunned.

As AF points out, by FAR the most serious threat to the American people comes from our own government. And our government is USING fear of Muslims against us. And you want more of it?

[Miss Annie]

ISIS is no joke. I'm not saying they're a threat to our national security (yet), but they're a pretty savage group with a level of sophistication to them that demands them to be taken seriously.

I have a feeling Europe and the UK are going to have their hands full with sympathizers of this group in the near future.

ISIS is not some poor terrorist group. They are financially self sufficient. Even the EU is buying oil from them now.
They have taken over a Syrian air base and are forcing the pilots to educate the terrorists on how to fly.
They have taken over an airport in Tripoli. They have now access to jet airliners.
They are NOT under equipped!
Our open borders problem is NOT new. Don't think for a minute that they have not been sneaking in here for a few years.
This is NOT a threat to take lightly.

[Acala]

I don't think subtle is the word I would use. They seem to want a lot of attention.

Certainly SOMEBODY wants you to give ISIS a lot of attention.

[Acala]

ISIS is not some poor terrorist group. They are financially self sufficient. Even the EU is buying oil from them now.
They have taken over a Syrian air base and are forcing the pilots to educate the terrorists on how to fly.
They have taken over an airport in Tripoli. They have now access to jet airliners.
They are NOT under equipped!
Our open borders problem is NOT new. Don't think for a minute that they have not been sneaking in here for a few years.
This is NOT a threat to take lightly.

The threat of terrorism is real. Hence the dire need to stop giving people who have nothing to lose a reason to attack us.

[Miss Annie]

The threat of terrorism is real. Hence the dire need to stop giving people who have nothing to lose a reason to attack us.

What most people do NOT understand is that in Islam, they are ordered as part of their religion, (which is why terrorists are called "fundamentalists") to strive and fight for a global caliphate.

It has nothing to do with not giving them a reason, allah gave them the reason.

[NewRightLibertarian]

Be real scared! And never forget how much we need our god the state to keep us safe from these evil Muslim savages!!!

[Christian Liberty]

There is no reason to irrationally fear the police. It's true many of them are asshole jock types on power trips, but they are necessary in maintaining order. Let's be honest here: they put their own lives on the line on a daily basis- when a cop pulls over someone or rushes to a domestic disturbance they have no idea what they’re getting into. They have families, pay taxes, and watch college football just like the everyday American.

However, they do need to stop the G.I Joe wannabe police state garbage.

Personally any group of men who roam in packs unnerves me regardless of their titles, social status, or religious/ethnic/racial background.

Government agents don't pay taxes by definition, as they make their incomes by taxation. In addition to that, cops are aggressors, by definition, simply by virtue of their profession. Their profession forces them to be.

[Miss Annie]

Be real scared! And never forget how much we need our god the state to keep us safe from these evil Muslim savages!!!

Bullshit! What we need is to keep the state from removing our rights to protect ourselves. There is none so blind as those who just will not see. :rolleyes:

[Carlybee]

Certainly SOMEBODY wants you to give ISIS a lot of attention.


I'm sure whomever in our govt that is in cahoots with them, yes.

[pessimist]

ISIS is not some poor terrorist group. They are financially self sufficient. Even the EU is buying oil from them now.
They have taken over a Syrian air base and are forcing the pilots to educate the terrorists on how to fly.
They have taken over an airport in Tripoli. They have now access to jet airliners.
They are NOT under equipped!
Our open borders problem is NOT new. Don't think for a minute that they have not been sneaking in here for a few years.
This is NOT a threat to take lightly.


They are nowhere near a level of being a national security threat to the US. Are you serious?

There are madmen out there who can go shoot up a mall or school or post office or drive a car into a crowd of people. ISIS is currently able to inflict that type of damage on us.

They are not however able to commit such an offense that is a threat to our NATIONAL security. Once they're able to roll in on tanks across the Mexican border, or launch missiles into federal buildings - I'll agree with you.

Like I said, they are far more of a geographic threat to Europe, which has a huge ever-growing Muslim population which is by and large segregated from the general populations.

[Carlybee]

They are nowhere near a level of being a national security threat to the US. Are you serious?

There are madmen out there who can go shoot up a mall or school or post office or drive a car into a crowd of people. ISIS is currently able to inflict that type of damage on us.

They are not however able to commit such an offense that is a threat to our NATIONAL security. Once they're able to roll in on tanks across the Mexican border, or launch missiles into federal buildings - I'll agree with you.

Like I said, they are far more of a geographic threat to Europe, which has a huge ever-growing Muslim population which is by and large segregated from the general populations.

We have a huge Muslim population too in the large cities. The Islamic school near me was raided a few years ago by DHS for possibly funneling money to terrorist groups. http://www.chron.com/life/houston-belief/article/Muslims-decry-move-to-seize-Houston-mosque-1736694.php

[idiom]

We have a huge Muslim population too in the large cities. The Islamic school near me was raided a few years ago by DHS for possibly funneling money to terrorist groups. http://www.chron.com/life/houston-belief/article/Muslims-decry-move-to-seize-Houston-mosque-1736694.php

Okie, now you are talking about a global war with Islam.

[Miss Annie]

They are nowhere near a level of being a national security threat to the US. Are you serious?


Yes, quite.


They are nowhere near a level of being a national security threat to the US. Are you serious?
Aha, they will take over all of the equipment that has been funneled down to our local levels. Don't be fooled.


There are madmen out there who can go shoot up a mall or school or post office or drive a car into a crowd of people. ISIS is currently able to inflict that type of damage on us.
And much more. There are thousands of missing foreign "students" in this country who think that if they die trying to further their cause for allah, that will give 70 of their family members entrance into heaven and 72 virgins will meet them there. That's just the foreign students. What about the millions that have been coming across our borders that our federal government has so graciously flown to unknown locations and dumped there? Don't be fooled into thinking that all of them are mexicans. Most are OTMs.


They are not however able to commit such an offense that is a threat to our NATIONAL security. Once they're able to roll in on tanks across the Mexican border, or launch missiles into federal buildings - I'll agree with you.

The tanks are all over the US. Any dummy knows that the government has been moving military equipment all over the country. And as I stated above.... it has also been trickled to local levels.
Don't forget that our military has been PURGED! Purged of what? Gee I wonder! :rolleyes:

The threat is also in cahoots with the upper level of government. The CIA, DHS, etc.... No one ever stops to ask why Obama has filled the administration with the Muslim Brotherhood???

Come on now...... the pieces are not that hard to put together of the puzzle..... really.

[kylejack]

There is no reason to irrationally fear the police. It's true many of them are asshole jock types on power trips, but they are necessary in maintaining order. Let's be honest here: they put their own lives on the line on a daily basis- when a cop pulls over someone or rushes to a domestic disturbance they have no idea what they’re getting into. They have families, pay taxes, and watch college football just like the everyday American.

However, they do need to stop the G.I Joe wannabe police state garbage.

Personally any group of men who roam in packs unnerves me regardless of their titles, social status, or religious/ethnic/racial background.
There is no reason to irrationally fear the police, but plenty of reason to rationally fear the police.

And why is that rational? Because "It's true many of them are asshole jock types on power trips".

[FloralScent]

,,,

[FloralScent]

There is no reason to irrationally fear the police. It's true many of them are asshole jock types on power trips, but they are necessary in maintaining order. Let's be honest here: they put their own lives on the line on a daily basis...

Cop, is not even in the top ten most dangerous jobs.

[pessimist]

Yes, quite.


Aha, they will take over all of the equipment that has been funneled down to our local levels. Don't be fooled.

And much more. There are thousands of missing foreign "students" in this country who think that if they die trying to further their cause for allah, that will give 70 of their family members entrance into heaven and 72 virgins will meet them there. That's just the foreign students. What about the millions that have been coming across our borders that our federal government has so graciously flown to unknown locations and dumped there? Don't be fooled into thinking that all of them are mexicans. Most are OTMs.


The tanks are all over the US. Any dummy knows that the government has been moving military equipment all over the country. And as I stated above.... it has also been trickled to local levels.
Don't forget that our military has been PURGED! Purged of what? Gee I wonder! :rolleyes:

The threat is also in cahoots with the upper level of government. The CIA, DHS, etc.... No one ever stops to ask why Obama has filled the administration with the Muslim Brotherhood???

Come on now...... the pieces are not that hard to put together of the puzzle..... really.

Is this satire?

Or are you Pamela Geller? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamela_Geller

[Miss Annie]

Is this satire?

Or are you Pamela Geller? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamela_Geller

Why don't you try discussing with facts instead of insults?

[pessimist]

There is no reason to irrationally fear the police, but plenty of reason to rationally fear the police.

And why is that rational? Because "It's true many of them are asshole jock types on power trips".

Yeah many do have crappy personalities, but to become paranoid at the mere sight of a cop is a bit ridiculous.

[pessimist]

Why don't you try discussing with facts instead of insults?

Because you've taken an irrational POV that is not worth arguing with. You're right though- I shouldn't have been insulting. I apologize.

[Miss Annie]

Because you've taken an irrational POV that is not worth arguing with. You're right though- I shouldn't have been insulting. I apologize.

Well, I am sorry that is your opinion. But when I am discussing something and people resort to insults such as "satire" or "irrational", I can only assume that they are out of facts to dispute.
That is your typical liberal response.

[Carlybee]

Yeah many do have crappy personalities, but to become paranoid at the mere sight of a cop is a bit ridiculous.

I don't think it's ridiculous when they have become an entity that shoots first and asks questions later.

[jjdoyle]

And, this thread reminds of this thread:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?454429-Crisis-Actors-needed-in-Houston

[dillo]

Did he get a ham and bacon sandwich?

[green73]

Jesus Christ, this thread. Smh.

[fr33]

Did he get a ham and bacon sandwich?

Probably some gay veggie wrap.

[Acala]

What most people do NOT understand is that in Islam, they are ordered as part of their religion, (which is why terrorists are called "fundamentalists") to strive and fight for a global caliphate.

It has nothing to do with not giving them a reason, allah gave them the reason.

Islam has been around for a thousand years and yet the great imperialists have been from "other" religions.

I doubt you will care about this as you have swallowed the koolaid. But when your political philosophy makes an enemy of 3 billion people because of their religion, you are well on the road to madness and it will not end well.

[Dr.3D]

We already know how it's going to end.

[pessimist]

I don't think it's ridiculous when they have become an entity that shoots first and asks questions later.


That's a little hyperbolic isn't it? You make it sound like we have the einsatzgruppen out there patrolling the streets. Look, I am not fan of the 'militarization' of the police, and there is no doubt that there are cops with itchy trigger fingers, and many are indeed assholes, but I think the fanatical distrust and paranoia of the police on this board is a tad unreasonable.

Does anyone have any national stats on police killing unarmed civilians? I'm not a stats guy, but I would have to assume that is rather low.

[Miss Annie]

Islam has been around for a thousand years and yet the great imperialists have been from "other" religions.
.

I guess you have never studied the history of the Ottoman Empire.


I doubt you will care about this as you have swallowed the koolaid.
What koolaid? I am simply looking at facts. Please show me where my facts are wrong?


But when your political philosophy makes an enemy of 3 billion people because of their religion, you are well on the road to madness and it will not end well.
Ah, sorry but you are mistaken. It will not be my political philosophy that makes me the enemy of 3 billion people, it will be my religion - because I am a kafir. I am a Christian and that equals an infidel for being a polytheist. Does anyone even wonder why ISIS and other radical Islamists are killing Christians all over the ME? Does this fact escape everyone? It has actually become a genocide. It is not only happening in the ME, but Africa as well. Anyone have any idea how many Christians Boko Haram killed last month?

If I am right, (and I truly pray that I am not).... unless you sir convert to Islam - it will not end well for you either.

[pessimist]

We already know how it's going to end.

You can't declare war on an entire religion, especially one with sects made up of fearless warriors, and expect a good outcome. The sad thing is, her views are very common in the global think tanks that have an enormous influence on our foreign policy.

[Acala]

I guess you have never studied the history of the Ottoman Empire.


What koolaid? I am simply looking at facts. Please show me where my facts are wrong?


Ah, sorry but you are mistaken. It will not be my political philosophy that makes me the enemy of 3 billion people, it will be my religion - because I am a kafir. I am a Christian and that equals an infidel for being a polytheist. Does anyone even wonder why ISIS and other radical Islamists are killing Christians all over the ME? Does this fact escape everyone? It has actually become a genocide. It is not only happening in the ME, but Africa as well. Anyone have any idea how many Christians Boko Haram killed last month?

If I am right, (and I truly pray that I am not).... unless you sir convert to Islam - it will not end well for you either.

So you really thing that Islam is going to sweep the world killing everyone who is not a Muslim? You are seriously deluded.

[pessimist]

I guess you have never studied the history of the Ottoman Empire.


What koolaid? I am simply looking at facts. Please show me where my facts are wrong?


Ah, sorry but you are mistaken. It will not be my political philosophy that makes me the enemy of 3 billion people, it will be my religion - because I am a kafir. I am a Christian and that equals an infidel for being a polytheist. Does anyone even wonder why ISIS and other radical Islamists are killing Christians all over the ME? Does this fact escape everyone? It has actually become a genocide. It is not only happening in the ME, but Africa as well. Anyone have any idea how many Christians Boko Haram killed last month?

If I am right, (and I truly pray that I am not).... unless you sir convert to Islam - it will not end well for you either.


Most of what you are saying here is true. I agree. However, radical Islam is NOT a threat to AMERICA's national security. We are in fact creating more of these psychos via our war mongering, meddling, and unwavering support for Israel.

The biggest conflict in the ME is the Shia/Sunni divide is it not? Muslim vs Muslim.

[Miss Annie]

So you really thing that Islam is going to sweep the world killing everyone who is not a Muslim? You are seriously deluded.

Now don't put words in my mouth. And insults are not necessary either. Of course, if that is all you can come up with, then of course I understand.
I never said that Islam is going to "sweep the world" and kill everyone that is not muslim.
But the thing that you are not understanding is that it IS THEIR STATED goal to do it in this country and several others.
We have handed them Iraq, Libya, Egypt (the brave egyptians took their shit back!), Syria, Afghanistan.
They are doing a fine job at setting us up to be handed over as well.

[Dr.3D]

You can't declare war on an entire religion, especially one with sects made up of fearless warriors, and expect a good outcome. The sad thing is, her views are very common in the global think tanks that have an enormous influence on our foreign policy.
I'm not about to declare war on any religion. I've read the scriptures and know what is going to become of those who are doing what they are doing.

[Antischism]

Might as well start posting pictures of everyone with a police uniform on because the chances of being killed by a cop are much higher. Don't get me wrong, I realize there are extremist groups with misguided means to address valid grievances who would love to exact retribution on Americans, but the actual threat is incredibly hyped by government and its third branch, the media, to cause fear in the public thus allowing them to further strip us of our rights and garner support for military action overseas. The only valid response is to stop intervening. You can't kill an ideology. All that's accomplished by intervening is you embolden them and rightfully, anger the citizenry allowing for these sentiments that lead to the creation of groups such as ISIS. It's an endless cycle.

[Miss Annie]

Most of what you are saying here is true. I agree. However, radical Islam is NOT a threat to AMERICA's national security. We are in fact creating more of these psychos via our war mongering, meddling, and unwavering support for Israel.

The biggest conflict in the ME is the Shia/Sunni divide is it not? Muslim vs Muslim.

Ok, let me put this in as simple of terms as I possibly can.
I am in NO WAY disagreeing with the fact that the US has caused this mess. But the simple fact that seems to be escaping people here is the WHY!
Our government is run by SUNNIS! Does anyone seem to miss the fact that we are always on the Sunni side?
Is the Shia / Sunni divide the biggest conflict in the ME? Yes and No.
There are two conflicts going on in the whole ME right now. Yes it is the Sunni / Shia divide - but as demonstrated in Egypt and Syria it is also the conflict of secular rule / Islamic rule.
Does anyone notice that any time we "liberate" a country that they end up in a messy Islamic rule under Sunni? Or at least run by Sunni terrorists, as in Libya right now?

Please do NOT misunderstand me, I am not saying that the mess is not our fault. But it is our fault because our government is run by Sunnis and has been on the side of political islam even going back decades.

[kylejack]

Yeah many do have crappy personalities, but to become paranoid at the mere sight of a cop is a bit ridiculous.
So is becoming paranoid at the sight of a Muslim, more paranoid, in fact. Which is what the person was comparing to.

[Carlybee]

That's a little hyperbolic isn't it? You make it sound like we have the einsatzgruppen out there patrolling the streets. Look, I am not fan of the 'militarization' of the police, and there is no doubt that there are cops with itchy trigger fingers, and many are indeed assholes, but I think the fanatical distrust and paranoia of the police on this board is a tad unreasonable.

Does anyone have any national stats on police killing unarmed civilians? I'm not a stats guy, but I would have to assume that is rather low.

No I'm not being hyperbolic. They engaged in a cross city police chase for a shoplifter that resulted in innocent commuters getting killed. Over a shoplifter. They've shot a homeless man because he waved an ink pen at them. That's just a couple of instances.

[CPUd]

Ok, let me put this in as simple of terms as I possibly can.
I am in NO WAY disagreeing with the fact that the US has caused this mess. But the simple fact that seems to be escaping people here is the WHY!
Our government is run by SUNNIS! Does anyone seem to miss the fact that we are always on the Sunni side?
Is the Shia / Sunni divide the biggest conflict in the ME? Yes and No.
There are two conflicts going on in the whole ME right now. Yes it is the Sunni / Shia divide - but as demonstrated in Egypt and Syria it is also the conflict of secular rule / Islamic rule.
Does anyone notice that any time we "liberate" a country that they end up in a messy Islamic rule under Sunni? Or at least run by Sunni terrorists, as in Libya right now?

Please do NOT misunderstand me, I am not saying that the mess is not our fault. But it is our fault because our government is run by Sunnis and has been on the side of political islam even going back decades.

Except for Saddam. The US handed him to Sadr loyalists who tried, executed him, and then turned against the US.

When the US policy favors Sunni groups, it is often done to balance the power against Iran.

[kylejack]

I've had enough interactions with cops to know better than to talk to them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

[navy-vet]

I don't see this working out well for anyone.
//

[navy-vet]

Just saw this on FB


3042
thanks Carlybee

[kylejack]

Does anyone have any national stats on police killing unarmed civilians? I'm not a stats guy, but I would have to assume that is rather low.
No, nobody has those stats, because police departments don't track them and don't want people to know how widespread the problem is.

http://regressing.deadspin.com/were-compiling-every-police-involved-shooting-in-americ-1624180387

[Danke]

Our government is run by SUNNIS!

Please do NOT misunderstand me, I am not saying that the mess is not our fault. But it is our fault because our government is run by Sunnis and has been on the side of political islam even going back decades.

Did you tweet this information on twitter for the AIPAC and CFR yet?

[Miss Annie]

Have you twittered this information to the AIPAC and CFR?

AIPAC does NOT support or represent Israel in any way. They are just a labeled lobbying mouthpiece. The CFR supports the Sunnis (aka Muslim Brotherhood)

[pessimist]

Ok, let me put this in as simple of terms as I possibly can.
I am in NO WAY disagreeing with the fact that the US has caused this mess. But the simple fact that seems to be escaping people here is the WHY!
Our government is run by SUNNIS! Does anyone seem to miss the fact that we are always on the Sunni side?
Is the Shia / Sunni divide the biggest conflict in the ME? Yes and No.
There are two conflicts going on in the whole ME right now. Yes it is the Sunni / Shia divide - but as demonstrated in Egypt and Syria it is also the conflict of secular rule / Islamic rule.
Does anyone notice that any time we "liberate" a country that they end up in a messy Islamic rule under Sunni? Or at least run by Sunni terrorists, as in Libya right now?

Please do NOT misunderstand me, I am not saying that the mess is not our fault. But it is our fault because our government is run by Sunnis and has been on the side of political islam even going back decades.

I must say I haven't heard this one before.

[Danke]

AIPAC does NOT support or represent Israel in any way. They are just a labeled lobbying mouthpiece. The CFR supports the Sunnis (aka Muslim Brotherhood)

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/2119740160/h620632A9/

[Miss Annie]

AIPAC is not pro Israel, they are pro AIPAC.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/rand-paul-aipac-israel-106269.html#ixzz30YRkX6By

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/santa-claus-and-the-israel-lobby/

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.580535

[green73]

AIPAC is not pro Israel, they are pro AIPAC. [...]

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.580535

I see you're a premium subscriber to Haaretz.

[Miss Annie]

I see you're a premium subscriber to Haaretz.

Actually I am not, but what difference would that make?

[green73]

Actually I am not, but what difference would that make?

Why are you linking it then?

[Miss Annie]

Why are you linking it then?

Because there is a relevant article there. Some others might have an account, even if I do not. Again, what's the point you are trying to make?

[green73]

Because there is a relevant article there. Some others might have an account, even if I do not. Again, what's the point you are trying to make?

You haven't read it, so how do you know?

[presence]

I see you're a premium subscriber to Haaretz.

premium subscriptions are antedeluvian


The full text is available for subscribers & registered users.
Click here to subscribe (http://www.haaretz.com/promotions) ($1 for the first 4 weeks) or login (http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.580535#)



Here's that article hacked:




Haar'etz

AIPAC’s Israel is not my Israel

North America’s largest Jewish gathering staged a flattened Israel I didn’t recognize,
where there’s no time for the occupation, or women, but plenty for The Iranian Threat.

By Anat Saragusti (http://www.haaretz.com/misc/writers/anat-saragusti-1.494526) http://www.haaretz.com/images/icons/comment.png 34



Two days after AIPAC’s annual policy conference (http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.577993) in Washington DC, the organization sent out an email headlined: “Maps of Israel Security Threats.” Attached were three maps. The first, “Israel in the Middle East,” shows a little Israel within a broad sea of Arab states. The second, “Iranian Missile Threats,” displays how the entire State of Israel is within strike range of Iran’s ballistic missiles. And the third map shows the range of Hezbollah’s weapons, which, it turns out, also encompass the entire State of Israel.

This series of maps epitomizes the narrative of AIPAC’s 2014 conference. I spent three days at the Washington Convention Center. Three intense, full, jam packed days. It was my first time at the conference,

which has become synonymous with Jewish power in the United States

and a show of force by the American lobby for Israel.

Some 14,000 people filled the Convention Center – singles, couples, families. Old, young, enthusiastic. Three days of speeches, debates, panel discussions, music, video clips and lectures. Three staged, orchestrated, scripted, perfected days, with superb audio-visual technology, precision background music, a meticulously chosen guest list, VIPs, and, most importantly, three days of concise talking points, from which no one deviated an inch. Three days which did not leave any room whatsoever for doubt or criticism.

Three days at the end of which I didn’t recognize Israel,

the place where I was born, where I have lived my entire life, the state where my son was born and where I raised him. The state where I built my career. My state.

In three days the organizers managed to flatten Israel into a two-dimensional placard, which can be summed up in three words:

The Iranian Threat.

With disturbing precision, the organizers took advantage of the three conference days to plant in the participants’ minds one single message:

The Iranian Threat.

Israel of the AIPAC conference is a scared, fragile little state, dependent on the support of the world’s strongest superpower, the United States. AIPAC’s Israel is painted in only one shade: The Iranian Threat. In the Israel that emerged from the conference, women are destined to play only one role: To provide succor and to play on emotions. In AIPAC’s Israel there was no place for women among the list of plenary speakers. The Israel of the AIPAC policy conference is a state devoid of open, critical, democratic discourse. The AIPAC conference’s Israel is a state with a one-directional, one-dimensional, univalent message:

The Iranian Threat.

AIPAC’s annual policy conference is the largest Jewish gathering in the United States. It’s not only a display of power and influence, it’s also the place to which Jews come from all corners of North America to be imbued with strength and support, to hear directly from leading opinion makers about Israel, to get information. But the 14,000 delegates who packed the giant convention were not permitted to hear about the real Israel. They were not allowed to hear any words of criticism, they did not hear the term “occupation,” they weren’t presented with differences of opinion, they weren’t given to understand that there’s a combative opposition, that the numbers of Israel’s poor and those suffering economic hardship are growing. The participants of the AIPAC conference did not hear about Israel. They heard about

The Iranian Threat.

The real Israel is coming up to its 50th year of rule over another people and the dispossession of that people’s rights in nearly every sphere. This is the longest occupation in modern history. This occupation deprives hundreds of thousands of Palestinians of their basic human and civil rights every day. And those who view themselves as its supporters and its representatives to the strongest democracy on earth must not ignore this. Reality is forever complex. It means, among other things, a multitude of views about this reality, and that the voices of dissent must not be silenced, the debate must not be distilled to just one issue:

The Iranian Threat.

Israel is a vital society with much to be proud of, and it is a country wrestling with many serious issues. People who love Israel should be learning about and engaging with this real-life country, and not with a two-dimensional placard.

Anat Saragusti is a journalist and one of the founders of Israel’s Channel 2 News. She is the director of B’Tselem USA and lives in Washington DC. Follow her on Twitter: @Saragusti (https://twitter.com/saragusti)




How to hack harretz

http://uncommonprogrammer.blogspot.com/2013/05/haaretz-cracked-goodbye-paywall-its-now.html

Hocus pocus, no paywall.

[Miss Annie]

You haven't read it, so how do you know?

How do you know I haven't read it? Pretty presumptive aren't ya?
I posted 3 article from 3 different sources with pretty much the same message. Again, what is your point?

[green73]

How do you know I haven't read it? Pretty presumptive aren't ya?
I posted 3 article from 3 different sources with pretty much the same message. Again, what is your point?

You don't have account with them; you haven't read it. But you posted it in your fusillade of links, which leads me to believe that you might not have read any of them.

[presence]

You don't have account with them; you haven't read it.

Accounts? We don't need no stinking accounts!

[Miss Annie]

You don't have account with them; you haven't read it. But you posted it in your fusillade of links, which leads me to believe that you might not have read any of them.

I don't lie. I really don't give a crap what you think. What was the point with me having an account anyway. You were trying to make a point about me having an account, then not having an account. Looks like you don't know what the hell direction your going in.

[green73]

I don't lie. I really don't give a crap what you think. What was the point with me having an account anyway. You were trying to make a point about me having an account, then not having an account. Looks like you don't know what the hell direction your going in.

You're fucking stupid. Congratulations.

[Miss Annie]

You're fucking stupid. Congratulations.

Sorry dude, but we are no longer on the elementary playground. Your petty insults are not going to damage me.
What I find so interesting is that with all that I have posted, is that the only rebuttals are stupid shit like this.

[Danke]

AIPAC is not pro Israel, they are pro AIPAC.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/rand-paul-aipac-israel-106269.html#ixzz30YRkX6By

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/santa-claus-and-the-israel-lobby/

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.580535

Great sources, no agendas there.


Ron Paul Is A Vicious Anti-Semite and Anti-American and Conservatives Need To Wash Their Hands of Him

by David Horowitz

[Miss Annie]

'Sharia controlled zone' in Germany: Group of young Muslims patrolling city streets

http://rt.com/news/185664-sharia-police-patrol-germany/

When it happens here, ...... you won't be able to say you weren't friggin warned!

[kcchiefs6465]

Sorry dude, but we are no longer on the elementary playground. Your petty insults are not going to damage me.
What I find so interesting is that with all that I have posted, is that the only rebuttals are stupid shit like this.
People get tired of rebutting the same bullshit year in and year out. At the end of the day, think what you think.

It's not like They particularly care about your opinion on the matter anyways. Or mine, for that matter.

[green73]

Sorry dude, but we are no longer on the elementary playground. Your petty insults are not going to damage me.
What I find so interesting is that with all that I have posted, is that the only rebuttals are stupid shit like this.

You didn't read the article you posted, is all I can surmise. The Haaretz article, btw, was the first one I clicked on because they're the one I most respect of the three. When it turned out to be a premium link; I could only surmise that you hadn't read it. Which I'm 100% confident is true.

[pessimist]

'Sharia controlled zone' in Germany: Group of young Muslims patrolling city streets

http://rt.com/news/185664-sharia-police-patrol-germany/

When it happens here, ...... you won't be able to say you weren't friggin warned!

I have pointed out several times in this thread that Europe is going to have a huge problem with muslim extremists in the future.

However, I do not believe that they pose a security risk to the USA. You're more likely to get shot by a fellow citizen with a legal firearm who is draped in the American flag for trespassing on his property than you are to get killed by a suicide bomber shouting allah akbar before blowing himself to pieces in a parking lot.

Will there be terrorist attempts? Sure. Will some be successful? Most likely. Are they a significant threat to the national stability to this country? Absolutely not.

ETA: I can't type. Oh and btw...do you have evidence that the Sunnis are running shit in DC? Just curious- because that is a theory I have never heard before.

[alucard13mm]

If we all had guns, we wouldn't be afraid of ISIS...

[RonPaulIsGreat]

Allahu Akbar

[Christian Liberty]

Sorry dude, but we are no longer on the elementary playground. Your petty insults are not going to damage me.
What I find so interesting is that with all that I have posted, is that the only rebuttals are stupid shit like this.

With respect, I do think your dispensational theology is making you more afraid of ISIS than I think is appropriate. While they are bad people, they aren't going to form a worldwide caliphate, nor do they have anything at all to do with the end of the world.

With respect, it is people like you that make me think dispensationalism is extremely dangerous, it leads to what I would consider overly fearful reactions toward Islam, which leads to more of a police state at home. I understand you don't support the police state, but if they can scare you enough it won't matter. Please don't fall for it.

[Carlybee]

If we all had guns, we wouldn't be afraid of ISIS...


For the record, I only posted a pic I saw on FB which interested me because I live in Houston. I'm not afraid of ISIS, although due to the southern border being wide open and due to the fact that we already have Mexican cartels operating here, it's not outside the realm of expectation that other dubious groups are operating here. For that matter we have so many Muslims here on work and student visas that it wouldn't surprise me if there are not imbedded groups here. Not all terrorist groups are funded by our govt, but our govt sure makes it easy for them to be here. And by using the word terrorist, I include some of our own agencies in that description.

[pessimist]

Allahu Akbar

You know, I had that originally but changed it cuz it didn't look right lol

[green73]

I sure am glad that we have Rand Paul being the voice of reason on this. o_O

[Anti Federalist]

Yeah many do have crappy personalities, but to become paranoid at the mere sight of a cop is a bit ridiculous.

Do you not pay attention to the people around you?

I see a gangbanger walk into a place wearing colors, I'm going to take notice, and keep an eye on him.

[twomp]

For the record, I only posted a pic I saw on FB which interested me because I live in Houston. I'm not afraid of ISIS, although due to the southern border being wide open and due to the fact that we already have Mexican cartels operating here, it's not outside the realm of expectation that other dubious groups are operating here. For that matter we have so many Muslims here on work and student visas that it wouldn't surprise me if there are not imbedded groups here. Not all terrorist groups are funded by our govt, but our govt sure makes it easy for them to be here. And by using the word terrorist, I include some of our own agencies in that description.

Don't worry Carly, the NSA has got all those filthy muslim on watch.

[oyarde]

Do you not pay attention to the people around you?

I see a gangbanger walk into a place wearing colors, I'm going to take notice, and keep an eye on him.
I keep an eye on cops too. They are dangerous .Most disconcerting thing is , while I am watching them , they usually seem to be watching me .Maybe I should get a haircut :)

[AngryCanadian]

Whether they are independent or CIA sponsored, they do like to chop peoples heads off.
I have seen plenty of videos of peoples heads being chopped off, they expect us and the idiotic public to believe that they did with an simple cutting kitchen knife that looks almost like they bought at a local store? :rolleyes:

[Carlybee]

Don't worry Carly, the NSA has got all those filthy muslim on watch.

I am not bigoted against Muslims so the term filthy is yours to own.

[Carlybee]

I have seen plenty of videos of peoples heads being chopped off, they expect us and the idiotic public to believe that they did with an simple cutting kitchen knife that looks almost like they bought at a local store? :rolleyes:


I've never watched one so I don't know. I just know beheading seems to be an acceptable practice in parts of the Middle East.

[Muwahid]

Ok, let me put this in as simple of terms as I possibly can.
I am in NO WAY disagreeing with the fact that the US has caused this mess. But the simple fact that seems to be escaping people here is the WHY!
Our government is run by SUNNIS! Does anyone seem to miss the fact that we are always on the Sunni side?
Is the Shia / Sunni divide the biggest conflict in the ME? Yes and No.
There are two conflicts going on in the whole ME right now. Yes it is the Sunni / Shia divide - but as demonstrated in Egypt and Syria it is also the conflict of secular rule / Islamic rule.
Does anyone notice that any time we "liberate" a country that they end up in a messy Islamic rule under Sunni? Or at least run by Sunni terrorists, as in Libya right now?

Please do NOT misunderstand me, I am not saying that the mess is not our fault. But it is our fault because our government is run by Sunnis and has been on the side of political islam even going back decades.

To give context I think Annie believes ISIS/Sunni bloc is Satanic, and the apocalypse is near, therefore reality needs to be skewed to fit this narrative.

[libertariantexas]

Yes, quite.


Aha, they will take over all of the equipment that has been funneled down to our local levels. Don't be fooled.

And much more. There are thousands of missing foreign "students" in this country who think that if they die trying to further their cause for allah, that will give 70 of their family members entrance into heaven and 72 virgins will meet them there. That's just the foreign students. What about the millions that have been coming across our borders that our federal government has so graciously flown to unknown locations and dumped there? Don't be fooled into thinking that all of them are mexicans. Most are OTMs.


The tanks are all over the US. Any dummy knows that the government has been moving military equipment all over the country. And as I stated above.... it has also been trickled to local levels.
Don't forget that our military has been PURGED! Purged of what? Gee I wonder! :rolleyes:

The threat is also in cahoots with the upper level of government. The CIA, DHS, etc.... No one ever stops to ask why Obama has filled the administration with the Muslim Brotherhood???

Come on now...... the pieces are not that hard to put together of the puzzle..... really.

The SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!

Hide the women and children!

BTW, I'm curious as to this "purge" you mention. I've been in the military for decades, and work as a military contractor, and I haven't seen any "purge." Did I miss an email somewhere?

[bunklocoempire]

We already know how it's going to end.

Hot Topics?

[kcchiefs6465]

I've never watched one so I don't know. I just know beheading seems to be an acceptable practice in parts of the Middle East.
The video looks fake as all hell.

[orenbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyQr_Vc1f9s

[navy-vet]

We are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of Nature has placed in our power... the battle, sir, is not to the strong alone it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave.
Patrick Henry (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/patrick_henry.html)

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/p/patrickhen121156.html#fyxgqPWPOh33MGZh.99

[pessimist]

Do you not pay attention to the people around you?


Of course. I have anxiety and in a hyperaware state in public.



I see a gangbanger walk into a place wearing colors, I'm going to take notice, and keep an eye on him.


Personally I don't feel threatened at the sight of a police officer. I remember when I was in my late-teens, me and a friend were stoned walking around town in the middle of the night- a cop pulls over, asks us what we were doing ("just walking"), then asked for ID, he glanced at it, and that was it. He didn't even get out of the car.

I really didn't feel bullied or harassed or anything. I mean, it was a reasonable question to ask. What were two skinny white kids who look like skaters/stoners doing out in the middle of the night?

Granted, there are asshole cops who bully people. I'm sure there are a lot of black folks who feel bullied and singled out, but they face that even when they go shopping- they're profiled and considered potential shoplifters the moment they enter the stores. I'm sure white folks of a certain demographic face the same type of harassment. I am not disputing that.

I am disputing that cops go into neighborhoods shooting people at will and collectively act like animals. The "militarization" of local law enforcement is a bit scary though. If that keeps up and they start playing out a Michael Bay fantasy- I'll agree and develop the same paranoia.

[TheTexan]

Personally I don't feel threatened at the sight of a police officer. I remember when I was in my late-teens, me and a friend were stoned walking around town in the middle of the night- a cop pulls over, asks us what we were doing ("just walking"), then asked for ID, he glanced at it, and that was it. He didn't even get out of the car.

I'm sure that if you had declined to show your ID, the cop would have been very respectful of your rights, and went on his way. With that said, you're a good citizen, showing that ID when you didn't legally have to. Well done, citizen.

[navy-vet]

I'm sure that if you had declined to show your ID, the cop would have been very respectful of your rights, and went on his way. With that said, you're a good citizen, showing that ID when you didn't legally have to. Well done, citizen.
TOUCHE' :D

[Dr.3D]

I'm sure that if you had declined to show your ID, the cop would have been very respectful of your rights, and went on his way. With that said, you're a good citizen, showing that ID when you didn't legally have to. Well done, citizen.
That seems to be a matter of which state you are in.

States (colored red) in which Stop and Identify statutes are in effect as of February 20th, 2013.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/States_with_Stop_and_Identify_Laws.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes

[navy-vet]

I've never watched one so I don't know. I just know beheading seems to be an acceptable practice in parts of the Middle East.
Bravo! The very fact that you have not watched that, speaks admirably to your character in my book.

[Anti Federalist]

If that keeps up and they start playing out a Michael Bay fantasy- I'll agree and develop the same paranoia.

Paranoia implies a sense of fear or anxiety that is debilitating and irrational.

I have zero, and I mean zero, fear of ululating Jihadists, surrounding my home with military vehicles, storming my property, shooting my dog, lighting up my house with flash bangs, and ventilating me and my family with automatic weapons fire if we do not comply and submit immediately.

I can not say the same thing about cops, and 45,000 plus SWAT raids a year.

As I have said numerous times before, most encounters with cops will go smoothly, if not frustratingly.

The problem is when encounters do go sideways.

Paranoia?

I would suggest is it childish naivete to willfully be around people that, for all intents and purposes, can kill you any time they feel like it, with no realistic chances of having any consequences assigned to that.

[pessimist]

Paranoia implies a sense of fear or anxiety that is debilitating and irrational.

I have zero, and I mean zero, fear of ululating Jihadists, surrounding my home with military vehicles, storming my property, shooting my dog, lighting up my house with flash bangs, and ventilating me and my family with automatic weapons fire if we do not comply and submit immediately.

I can not say the same thing about cops, and 45,000 plus SWAT raids a year.

As I have said numerous times before, most encounters with cops will go smoothly, if not frustratingly.

The problem is when encounters do go sideways.

Paranoia?

I would suggest is it childish naivete to willfully be around people that, for all intents and purposes, can kill you any time they feel like it, with no realistic chances of having any consequences assigned to that.


I agree with nearly everything you said here.

As for the bold: that is part of life. Every time we walk out of our house, something can go sideways. Freak accidents, random shootings, many instances of being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Life doesn't always run smoothly. I am not excusing cops for behaving badly, I'm just putting it into perspective.

[69360]

Paranoia implies a sense of fear or anxiety that is debilitating and irrational.

I have zero, and I mean zero, fear of ululating Jihadists, surrounding my home with military vehicles, storming my property, shooting my dog, lighting up my house with flash bangs, and ventilating me and my family with automatic weapons fire if we do not comply and submit

I have no fear of Jihadists attacking me personally. I fear them attacking my country and pulling it into another war we can't afford that will be the straw that broke the camels back of out financial system.

The cops? I have a slight fear of interaction with them going sideways. But I try my best to avoid interacting with them, don't call them for any reason and try to deflect as much as possible if I have to deal with them, which is rarely, less than once every few years.

[kcchiefs6465]

I have no fear of Jihadists attacking me personally. I fear them attacking my country and pulling it into another war we can't afford that will be the straw that broke the camels back of out financial system.

So your solution to them possibly attacking us and the United States possibly being pulled into another war is to preemptively start another war? (or rather, continue this perpetual one)

To save the economy, you say?

Well, I'll be damned. I never thought about it that way.

[tangent4ronpaul]

BREAKING! - ISIS has relocated to right under your bed! and they are gonna git ya!

boogity, boogity!

-t

[pessimist]

BREAKING! - ISIS has relocated to right under your bed! and they are gonna git ya!

boogity, boogity!

-t


I agree that we shouldn't buy into the neocon narrative that all Muslims are islamo-fascist-nazi-terrorists. But let’s be honest here: we shouldn't dismiss it ALL as propaganda.

There are dangerous elements out there who have a seething hatred of the US and the West as a whole. Much of it is due to foreign policy, some of it maybe even manufactured, but the danger is there. Some groups wouldn't hesitant to slit your throat just because you're an infidel or a Westerner.

However these folks don't have a national identity- they're funded from various sources. They are no threat militarily but they have the means and capability to do a lot of damage- they moreover are a threat to folks traveling abroad, world embassies, etc.

We don't want these guys achieving any sort of legitimate power in the region. No one does. I'm not sure bombing is the solution or arming another group to fight them, as that usually backfires.

Terrorist groups are extremely difficult to fight because they have no state or army to speak of. Bombing them in regions that kill a massive amount of innocent civilians and occupying their countries only draws more into an extremist ideology.

It wouldn’t be a good thing if they were able to achieve any sort of power- but they would be at least easier to obliterate.

[Carlybee]

Boy who cried wolf scenario. They have used Islamo Fascism as a white flag so often how would anyone know if it's the real thing?
We have had so much flawed or just flat out ignored intelligence...and I use that term loosely. And by ignored I mean where they have had knowledge of events and let them happen for political expediency. Both sides now use terrorism to keep people living in fear and each side now claims to be the preferable warmonger.

[Acala]

We don't want these guys achieving any sort of legitimate power in the region. No one does.

Speak for yourself. I couldn't care less. Most of the existing governments in the region are already rotten. Why should I care if the new violent gang of brigands displaces the old violent gang of brigands in Syria or Egypt or Turkey or Saudi Arabia or any of the other cesspools over there? I weep for the innocent, but care not at all who lives in the capital buildings.

Let's take a look at the big picture: what we have in the Middle East is half a dozen religious and/or ethnic groups who can't live with each other and are in various states of conflict with each other. From time to time they band together to fight outsiders (like us) who are foolish enough to stick our noses in. But they immediately turn back to fighting for control when they can. Essentially the Middle East needs to be left alone for a few hundred years of unrestrained fighting over territories until they get tired of it and settle into more or less stable regions. Over time, the hatred will simmer down and the wars will become less frequent. Then freedom and prosperity can get a foothold. Which is exactly what happened in Europe.

We need to get out now, and stay out forever. You are NEVER going to "fix" it.

[69360]

So your solution to them possibly attacking us and the United States possibly being pulled into another war is to preemptively start another war? (or rather, continue this perpetual one)

To save the economy, you say?

Well, I'll be damned. I never thought about it that way.

No I don't think intervening is the right thing to do. But Obama already did it and the war is already started. He made an enemy of IS.

With that the reality of it, I'd rather see a few days of overwhelming air strikes followed by a few weeks of special forces than another 10 year of nation building. Deal the heaviest blow possible to IS leadership structure and funding sources to minimize their capability to strike the US and get out. Hopefully that would help prevent a well funded co ordinated attack. But if they really want to commit a terrorist attack on the US, they will. Killing leaders and cutting off funds should reduce the scale of it from a 9/11 to a Boston bombing. Another 9/11 and 10 years of war and this country is done for.

[Anti Federalist]

I agree with nearly everything you said here.

As for the bold: that is part of life. Every time we walk out of our house, something can go sideways. Freak accidents, random shootings, many instances of being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Life doesn't always run smoothly. I am not excusing cops for behaving badly, I'm just putting it into perspective.

Quite right, which is why you do not see me standing under lone trees in a thunderstorm, handling snakes, walking through bad neighborhoods in the middle of the night or paying attention to my surroundings.

Roughly 90,000 people die every year from slips, trips and falls around the house, but I am not about to go out and rig up my home with fall arresting gear in every room and wear a full face helmet during all waking hours.

A rational ordering of risk (h/t to Acala) + reasonable assessment of the cost, complexity and unintended consequences of risk management = sensible safety.

Given that we have more people in prison than any other place on earth, and that militarized police responses are increasing at a rapid pace, if all it takes is getting up and leaving a place when cop appears, that seems to me to be just simple common sense.

[pcosmar]

With that the reality of it, I'd rather see a few days of overwhelming air strikes followed by a few weeks of special forces than another 10 year of nation building. Deal the heaviest blow possible to IS leadership structure and funding sources to minimize their capability to strike the US and get out. .

That mentality is what created them in the first place.
If you kill one.. ten more are recruited.. Kill one leader,, and five more leaders are created out of the ranks.

When we started our "war" with Al ciada,, there were less than 1000 of them.

Now we have ISIS (Al CIAda 2.0) that are over 100,000 strong,, and armed with weapons we provided.

I don't know that the guy in the Houston Photo wasn't an FBI operative.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/28/justice/texas-terror-arrests/



Wolfe acquired a passport so he could travel abroad. He had trained for the battle with the help of military and physical fitness exercises and was looking for a contact to help him slip into Syria, the prosecutor's office said.

That contact turned out to be an FBI official.

[Rond]

It's a plant.

[kylejack]

The black flag is an old icon in Islam. Peaceful Muslims have been using it for a long time. Groups like ISIS are now trying to co-opt it, but all it actually says is that there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet. It's just a very basic statement of beliefs for Muslims. This whole controversy was grown out of ignorance.

[pessimist]

Speak for yourself. I couldn't care less.

You see no problem with an unhinged group of fearless maniacs with a complete disregard for human life, international law, and civilization having an air force, army, and possibly chemical/biological weapons? I think much of the world would care- especially our allies.



Most of the existing governments in the region are already rotten


That entire region is a meat grinder with ethno-religious wars existing under mostly totalitarian nightmare regimes, but none of those regimes are crazy enough to declare a global jihad.



why should I care if the new violent gang of brigands displaces the old violent gang of brigands in Syria or Egypt or Turkey or Saudi Arabia or any of the other cesspools over there? I weep for the innocent, but care not at all who lives in the capital buildings.


What do those who live in those capital buildings control and have access to?



We need to get out now, and stay out forever. You are NEVER going to "fix" it.

You can't fix the ethno/religious conflicts.

I support no war with Iran or Syria or any other country- I was against going into Iraq and our presence in Afghanistan. I am OPPOSED to invasion and occupying and bombing- but I do see the threat of terrorism that has global implications. I don't think we can just turn a blind eye to it. We live in a global world.

What would happen if we shut off from the rest of the world? I can't imagine how that is even possible.

[pcosmar]

What would happen if we shut off from the rest of the world? I can't imagine how that is even possible.

What do you mean by "shut off from"?

I have no problem with trade and commerce.. and remaining entirely and completely neutral otherwise.

Simply refusing to get involved in conflicts elsewhere.

Bring the troops home,, close bases all around the world. Stop using our Navy as a tool of intimidation. (protect coast, and shipping)

Basically stop imposing ourselves on others.

[twomp]

I am not bigoted against Muslims so the term filthy is yours to own.

Sure you aren't bigoted and the NSA isn't doing anything unconstitutional.


I've never watched one so I don't know. I just know beheading seems to be an acceptable practice in parts of the Middle East.

So you just KNOW that right? Because you aren't bigoted and all the muslims you know, tell you that, "yeah, beheadings are accepted in our culture." /rolls eyes LOLLOL

[Acala]

You see no problem with an unhinged group of fearless maniacs with a complete disregard for human life, international law, and civilization having an air force, army, and possibly chemical/biological weapons? I think much of the world would care- especially our allies..

If much of the world cares, let much of the world do something about it. I owe foreign "allies" NOTHING! My children owe foreign "allies" NOTHING! The best place to manage threats of invasion or attack on American soil is at the American border. The best place to stir up the kind of animosity that leads to terrorist attacks is by going over there and making yet ANOTHER bombing run, thinking that this time for some unfathomable reason it will actually have the opposite of the usual result.



That entire region is a meat grinder with ethno-religious wars existing under mostly totalitarian nightmare regimes, but none of those regimes are crazy enough to declare a global jihad..

I think a declaration of global jihad has come out of the ME daily for thirty years. You must be very gullible to take it seriously anywhere outside the ME. The idea that Russia, or China, India, or industrial Europe will fall to a rag tag band of goat herders is semi-hysterical raving. I doubt they can handle Iran, Turkey, or Pakistan, let alone industrialized nuclear powers.



What do those who live in those capital buildings control and have access to?.

Nothing that another bombing run will eliminate. Nothing that is aimed primarily at us - UNLESS we continue our meddling. Nothing that isn't better deflected by minding our own borders and airspace.


You can't fix the ethno/religious conflicts.

And yet you advocate trying it again. Just one more time! THIS time the method that has failed every other time will work!


I support no war with Iran or Syria or any other country- I was against going into Iraq and our presence in Afghanistan. I am OPPOSED to invasion and occupying and bombing- but I do see the threat of terrorism that has global implications. I don't think we can just turn a blind eye to it. We live in a global world.
What would happen if we shut off from the rest of the world? I can't imagine how that is even possible.

You cannot bomb terrorists out of existence. Period. You are flailing away at a mosquito with a mace.

I never suggested being shut off from the rest of the world. Now you have adopted neo-con word games in which not constantly bombing every hotspot in the world = living in isolation. Minding our own business and our own borders means just that - limiting our military action to defending our own soil from imminenet attack and giving up the futile (and corrupt) game of policing the world.

[Carlybee]

Sure you aren't bigoted and the NSA isn't doing anything unconstitutional.



So you just KNOW that right? Because you aren't bigoted and all the muslims you know, tell you that, "yeah, beheadings are accepted in our culture." /rolls eyes LOLLOL



Of course the NSA is unconstitutional and should be abolished. I've never defended them so I don't know where you got that. And no, I'm not bigoted toward Muslims at all. I have quite a few neighbors who are Muslim. As for the beheadings, I am only going by what I have read, so go piss up a rope and stop trying to label me.

[pcosmar]

As for the beheadings, I am only going by what I have read, so go piss up a rope and stop trying to label me.

Read more.
beheading was considered Humane executions well through the 20th century in Europe. It has even been proposed here in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine

The guillotine remained the official method of execution in France until the death penalty was abolished in 1981.[2] The final guillotinings in France before abolition were those of child-murderers Christian Ranucci on 28 July 1976 and Jérôme Carrein on 23 June 1977 and torture-murderer Hamida Djandoubi on 10 September 1977.

In 1996 in the US, Georgia State Representative Doug Teper[26] unsuccessfully sponsored a bill to replace the state's electric chair with the guillotine.

http://freebeacon.com/blog/botched-oklahoma-execution-proves-its-time-to-bring-back-the-guillotine/
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/lethal-injection/appeals-judge-says-guillotine-probably-best-executions-n161641

And though I am opposed to State executions,, I expect it to become common.

[69360]

That mentality is what created them in the first place.
If you kill one.. ten more are recruited.. Kill one leader,, and five more leaders are created out of the ranks.

When we started our "war" with Al ciada,, there were less than 1000 of them.

Now we have ISIS (Al CIAda 2.0) that are over 100,000 strong,, and armed with weapons we provided.

I don't know that the guy in the Houston Photo wasn't an FBI operative.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/28/justice/texas-terror-arrests/

Nothing is perfect. Knock down the current threat as best possible and get out.

It would have been better to not get involved at all, but fearless leader already did and made us a new enemy. You can't just ignore that.

[Acala]

Read more.
beheading was considered Humane executions well through the 20th century in Europe. It has even been proposed here in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine



http://freebeacon.com/blog/botched-oklahoma-execution-proves-its-time-to-bring-back-the-guillotine/
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/lethal-injection/appeals-judge-says-guillotine-probably-best-executions-n161641

Amazing how gung ho and tough-minded we are about blowing people up and "killing them all and letting God sort them out", until we actually see someone being killed. Then we scream like frightened children. There is NOTHING about a beheading that is more grisly than what we have been doing to people for a LONG time with atomic weapons, napalm, cluster bombs, etc. In fact, a beheading is more civilized than what we do in at least one respect - no collateral damage. Only the intended person is killed.

[Acala]

Nothing is perfect. Knock down the current threat as best possible and get out.



1. What EXACTLY is the current threat to the USA?

2. How does dropping bombs reduce it?

3. How will you know WHO to drop bombs on?

and

4. How will you know when the mission has been accomplished?

If you cannot answer these questions with specificity, you have not made your case.

[kylejack]

Nothing is perfect. Knock down the current threat as best possible and get out.

It would have been better to not get involved at all, but fearless leader already did and made us a new enemy. You can't just ignore that.
So you want more enemies. Because that's what always seems to happen when we get involved.

How about if we just did a humble non-interventionist policy instead, like the Doctor ordered.

[Carlybee]

Read more.
beheading was considered Humane executions well through the 20th century in Europe. It has even been proposed here in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine

I guess it's a matter of opinion. I'm not sure what you and twomp are driving at unless I wasn't specific enough and should have said "among certain factions" it is acceptable in the Middle East. I personally find it barbaric, although is any execution humane by definition? When someone cuts someone's head off and waves it around like a trophy..not too humane but a statement. For the record I don't find drone bombing villages and taking out innocents as humane either.

[Carlybee]

How about if we just did a humble non-interventionist policy instead, like the Doctor ordered.

That's never going to happen with all the warmongers running things.

[kylejack]

That's never going to happen with all the warmongers running things.
Right, like the warmonger Rand Paul who wants to take us into another war because 2 Americans traveling in a dangerous area where the State Department warned them not to travel have died.

[Carlybee]

Right, like the warmonger Rand Paul who wants to take us into another war because 2 Americans traveling in a dangerous area where the State Department warned them not to travel have died.

I wouldn't call Rand a warmonger. I am referring to the usual suspects backed by the Defense lobby.

[kylejack]

I wouldn't call Rand a warmonger. I am referring to the usual suspects backed by the Defense lobby.
Well, Rand wants to make war on ISIS, so.

war·mon·ger noun \ˈwȯr-ˌməŋ-gər, -ˌmäŋ-\
: a person who wants a war or tries to make other people want to start or fight a war

[tangent4ronpaul]

And yet you advocate trying it again. Just one more time! THIS time the method that has failed every other time will work!

What happened in 1917 did work. But I guess you are yet another one that didn't read 20/44.

I view ISIS in the same way that I view Ebola. A global threat that needs to be eliminated. A disease. But I'm not totally convinced it's not just a wag the dog.

-t

[Carlybee]

Well, Rand wants to make war on ISIS, so.

war·mon·ger noun \ˈwȯr-ˌməŋ-gər, -ˌmäŋ-\
: a person who wants a war or tries to make other people want to start or fight a war

Even so he is hardly one of the major problems like Peter King, Lindsay Graham, John McCain, etc. who call for war at the drop of a hat with or without the Constitution.

[kylejack]

Oh sure, there's different degrees of warmonger. Ron not a warmonger hardly at all, for example.

[Acala]

What happened in 1917 did work. But I guess you are yet another one that didn't read 20/44.

I view ISIS in the same way that I view Ebola. A global threat that needs to be eliminated. A disease. But I'm not totally convinced it's not just a wag the dog.

-t


1917? The war to end all wars? The war that began our century of policing the world? The war that laid the foundation for WWII? I suppose it "worked" if you are a crony-capitalist defense contractor. Otherwise, not so much.

[Acala]

A global threat.

This is wild speculation without a shred of factual or logical support. Is it really even necessary to point out that saying you want to take over the world does not make you a realistic threat for taking over the world?

[kylejack]

Declare war on The Brain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYvAYwpUDv8

[kcchiefs6465]

What happened in 1917 did work. But I guess you are yet another one that didn't read 20/44.

I view ISIS in the same way that I view Ebola. A global threat that needs to be eliminated. A disease. But I'm not totally convinced it's not just a wag the dog.

-t
Smh.

[pessimist]

If much of the world cares, let much of the world do something about it.

Well we're pretty much the world police at the moment and Europe pretty much relies on our military prowess for protection.


I owe foreign "allies" NOTHING! My children owe foreign "allies" NOTHING!

Globalization makes it kinda hard to cut ties.


The best place to manage threats of invasion or attack on American soil is at the American border

There is no way we're going to be invaded. I never implied that...that's ridiculous.


the best place to stir up the kind of animosity that leads to terrorist attacks is by going over there and making yet ANOTHER bombing run, thinking that this time for some unfathomable reason it will actually have the opposite of the usual result.

I am opposed to bombing because these groups don't have a nation. I absolutely agree that firebombing a village wiping out hundreds of women and children to knock off some terrorist leader is absurd, and only creates more terrorism. I just mean we need to have intelligence and resources and an international coalition of some kind to defeat these groups. Arming a bunch of 'rebels' who turn on us and funding rogue regimes obviously isn't working.


I think a declaration of global jihad has come out of the ME daily for thirty years

What nation specifically has declared it?


You must be very gullible to take it seriously anywhere outside the ME.

Well, the radical groups out there declaring it are doing a good job of slaughtering people and generally wreaking havoc. You wait until this shit starts happening in Europe. Hell, France and Sweden can't even control hordes of 'youths' out rioting in the streets. Wait till they start blowing shit up.


The idea that Russia

Russia is already in a never ending conflict in the Caucasus.


industrial Europe will fall to a rag tag band of goat herders is semi-hysterical raving

It's a mistake to underestimate them.


I doubt they can handle Iran, Turkey, or Pakistan, let alone industrialized nuclear powers.

Yeah, I am not talking about them literally 'conquering' the world. I am saying they are dangerous motherfuckers who need to kept out of power and away from chemical and nuclear weapons.


Nothing that another bombing run will eliminate

I agree. You're not going to defeat terrorism by dropping bombs.


And yet you advocate trying it again. Just one more time! THIS time the method that has failed every other time will work!

No I am not. I don't give shit about the family feuds over there. I care about the psychopathic radicals who don't give two shits about life on this earth looking for targets around the globe to vent their frustrations.

How to defeat them? I don't know, But I agree....warfare is NOT the way to go.


You cannot bomb terrorists out of existence. Period. You are flailing away at a mosquito with a mace.

I'm aware of that. I am sure there are other methods.


I never suggested being shut off from the rest of the world

Well you were certainly hinting at it.


you have adopted neo-con word games in which not constantly bombing every hotspot in the world = living in isolation

Not what I was saying. I too am AGAINST bombing. However, putting ones head in the sand to the global threat of terrorism, minding your own business, and not 'owing anything' to our allies is getting close to shutting oneself off from the world imo.


Minding our own business and our own borders means just that - limiting our military action to defending our own soil from imminenet attack and giving up the futile (and corrupt) game of policing the world.

We are the police atm. How do we just 'pull back' when we are so deeply ingrained in world affairs? That is what I meant by "we can't shut ourselves off from the world". The consequences would be huge.

[69360]

1. What EXACTLY is the current threat to the USA?

2. How does dropping bombs reduce it?

3. How will you know WHO to drop bombs on?

and

4. How will you know when the mission has been accomplished?

If you cannot answer these questions with specificity, you have not made your case.

A terrorist attack by IS in the contus in retaliation for being bombed. They have told us that is what will happen. I see no reason to doubt that.

Bombing them and then sending in limited special forces to clean up survivors mitagates that threat. Take out the leadership, cut off the funding. That limits their ability to organize a 9/11 type of attack. If they really want to, a lone wolf boston bombing attack is going to happen, we can't stop it.

Use the satellites and spooks. It's not that hard to track them. Obviously you never get them all.

You don't know when your mission is accomplished. There is no way to know. Do the best you can in the shortest time possible and pull out. Make it very clear you will re-engage with overwhelming force if an attack occurs.

[pcosmar]

I guess it's a matter of opinion. I'm not sure what you and twomp are driving at unless I wasn't specific enough and should have said "among certain factions" it is acceptable in the Middle East. I personally find it barbaric, although is any execution humane by definition? When someone cuts someone's head off and waves it around like a trophy..not too humane but a statement. For the record I don't find drone bombing villages and taking out innocents as humane either.

The point is,,, that beheadings are not unknown in the "civilized' western world.
The point is,, a big deal is being made of a manner of execution that has been used worldwide for centuries. And portrayed (falsely) as a "Muslim thing".

Dead is dead,, whether by beheading or by a drone blast.
Just how many civilians have been killed by US Drone strikes?

I do not have an exact number,, but I can say that there are many more than are beheaded by ISIS. (Al CIAda 2.0)

[Carlybee]

The point is,,, that beheadings are not unknown in the "civilized' western world.
The point is,, a big deal is being made of a manner of execution that has been used worldwide for centuries. And portrayed (falsely) as a "Muslim thing".

Dead is dead,, whether by beheading or by a drone blast.
Just how many civilians have been killed by US Drone strikes?

I do not have an exact number,, but I can say that there are many more than are beheaded by ISIS. (Al CIAda 2.0)


Who else beheads besides middle easterners or drug cartels? I know drug cartels do it for the shock value because it is considered a brutal death. I'm not saying it's unknown either but it's certainly not considered civilized. Nowhere have I supported war or drone bombing either. I am anti war.

[kcchiefs6465]

Who else beheads besides middle easterners or drug cartels? I know drug cartels do it for the shock value because it is considered a brutal death. I'm not saying it's unknown either but it's certainly not considered civilized. Nowhere have I supported war or drone bombing either. I am anti war.
Well, France did until 1977. Many other western countries as well.

A gas chamber, an electric chair, lethal injection, or a firing squad have the same general result.

Some may even argue those methods to be more barbaric than death by decapitation.

A lot of the deaths there are more barbaric than it, anyways. Babies born cyclopped or without a brain... I mean, wicked shit.

Arguing which is more barbaric is more or less pointless. Being stoned to death probably is worse.

Or burned alive. Saddam Hussein's brother (and him, IIRC) were decapitated. Their heads were ripped off after the counter weight was off. Qadaffi was raped, beaten, etc. before his death.

The world is fucked up.... and not simply the Muslim dictatorial countries.

[pcosmar]

Who else beheads besides middle easterners or drug cartels?

It was widely practiced throughout the world. Especially in Europe. up until very recently.

It is still the state means of execution in Saudi Arabia..

It has been repeatedly proposed here in the US.( as I posted links of)

If you want to see barbaric,, Google "Old Sparky" electric chair.

[Carlybee]

It was widely practiced throughout the world. Especially in Europe. up until very recently.

It is still the state means of execution in Saudi Arabia..

It has been repeatedly proposed here in the US.( as I posted links of)

If you want to see barbaric,, Google "Old Sparky" electric chair.


There is a difference between executing someone who committed a horrific crime and someone who is an innocent bystander. For example, while I wouldn't want to witness it, the thought of a child murderer frying in the chair seems a bit different than a tourist getting his head chopped off so some group can make a point. That's all I'm getting at.

[Carlybee]

//

[kylejack]

There is a difference between executing someone who committed a horrific crime and someone who is an innocent bystander. For example, while I wouldn't want to witness it, the thought of a child murderer frying in the chair seems a bit different than a tourist getting his head chopped off so some group can make a point. That's all I'm getting at.
Yes well, the United States kills a lot of innocent people with drones, so.

[Carlybee]

Yes well, the United States kills a lot of innocent people with drones, so.

Yes I've acknowledged that and for the umpteenth time have never supported it.

[enhanced_deficit]

ISIS in Houston (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?459274-ISIS-in-Houston&)



On related note, anyone recalls Revolution Muslim in New York couple of years ago and conspiracy theories around it?

They vanished as quickly as they came.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=670qHZBM5Is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=670qHZBM5Is

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6eonppuEMEo/S4ZCab9kUYI/AAAAAAAAJps/SbrVmezFraA/s400/shahadayu3.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=ZBlfr5S2yFZmVM&tbnid=ZkfadYIGKHcXQM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.billwarnerpi.com%2F2010_02_21 _archive.html&ei=p5MOVOfBKtXBggTal4GoDw&bvm=bv.74649129,d.eXY&psig=AFQjCNHPRvuXoFkVKRBhD9mC04bXkFTFIw&ust=1410327840789132)http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6eonppuEMEo/S4ZEecJYvXI/AAAAAAAAJp0/LpzQmtbYGjM/s400/Younes+Abdullah+Mohammed.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=3urJRjGsseeW5M&tbnid=DqbQ4VQkXFHXMM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.billwarnerpi.com%2F2010_02_21 _archive.html&ei=9o8OVNnwNIuPNuaJgbgE&bvm=bv.74649129,d.eXY&psig=AFQjCNHLaIlJZ-AvHoLwrB_qTmY4WIm48w&ust=1410324382758058)
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQQo1Q7WU1jQIWPvm_nv2R0wYtf_HuKp Ga8FEmeYJ2d_4WggzZe (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=FE6bXlfO-W8gsM&tbnid=tdtVoZelTfM7LM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftotus-blog.blogspot.com%2F2009_11_01_archive.html&ei=QowOVLmJAozwgwSz8ILgDQ&bvm=bv.74649129,d.eXY&psig=AFQjCNHLaIlJZ-AvHoLwrB_qTmY4WIm48w&ust=1410324382758058)http://www.r-islam.com/en/images/stories/joseph%20cohen.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=Z6V2OH9KuPHXJM&tbnid=AonBC4ZYNmpysM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpascasher.blogspot.com%2F2010_10_ 01_archive.html&ei=55AOVI6WBdPzgwTFvYGADw&bvm=bv.74649129,d.eXY&psig=AFQjCNFppYYGPsBshlaEKY7XHx0ViUb6rg&ust=1410327126090475)

Yousef al-Khattab was born Joseph Cohen, in Brooklyn, New York. He was jewish, a settler who went to Palestine to live on the Israeli settlements.

http://thebrooklynink.com/2010/04/23/11041-yousef-al-khattab-man-behind-virulent-islamic-website-grew-up-jewish/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsUtvOW6SR0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsUtvOW6SR0


Similar conspiracy theories are springing up about "ISIS Islamic State" also now and conspiracy theorists claim al-Baghdadi's real name is Simon Elliot :


ISIS Is A Zionist Plot; A Jew Is Leading The Group - Reports Claim

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/562727/20140814/isis-zionist-plot-theory.htm#.VA6Mrq7zbwf


https://www.metabunk.org/data/MetaMirrorCache/3a2eec3b90a0ba5e6ef11e6a4f9613d3.jpg (https://syrianfreepress.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/al-baghdadi-simon-elliot.jpg)

[tangent4ronpaul]

1917? The war to end all wars? The war that began our century of policing the world? The war that laid the foundation for WWII? I suppose it "worked" if you are a crony-capitalist defense contractor. Otherwise, not so much.

The Arab Revolt was completely different than anything else that happened in WW I. That kind of a disconnect is like knowing nothing of the revolutionary war and spouting off that the colonists fought the British using their tactics.

You might want to learn something about it...

20/44

-t

[kcchiefs6465]

The Arab Revolt was completely different than anything else that happened in WW I. That kind of a disconnect is like knowing nothing of the revolutionary war and spouting off that the colonists fought the British using their tactics.

You might want to learn something about it...

20/44

-t
It might possibly help people learn about it if instead of vague references to two numbers you provided a link and summary?

Best I can tell you are referring to division, or the Bible.

Assuming you aren't trying to offer a course in simple mathematics, the hell is your point?

And WWI was a failure. ISIS is a fly on the ass of this behemoth. They need eradicated? I believe the army still accepts recruits.

[brushfire]

Dead is dead,, whether by beheading or by a drone blast.
Just how many civilians have been killed by US Drone strikes?

I do not have an exact number,, but I can say that there are many more than are beheaded by ISIS. (Al CIAda 2.0)

Not an exact number, but the fairest assessment thus far

http://drones.pitchinteractive.com/

[pcosmar]

Not an exact number, but the fairest assessment thus far

http://drones.pitchinteractive.com/

That is just in one country,, Pakistan. An alleged Ally.( who we gave $$Millions to)

[tangent4ronpaul]

It might possibly help people learn about it if instead of vague references to two numbers you provided a link and summary?

Best I can tell you are referring to division, or the Bible.

Assuming you aren't trying to offer a course in simple mathematics, the hell is your point?

And WWI was a failure. ISIS is a fly on the ass of this behemoth. They need eradicated? I believe the army still accepts recruits.

I've mentioned it over and over and over again...

post 20 and post 44.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?459078-ISIS-debate-issues-of-intervention-blowback-war-propaganda-amp-more

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[kcchiefs6465]

I've mentioned it over and over and over again...

post 20 and post 44.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?459078-ISIS-debate-issues-of-intervention-blowback-war-propaganda-amp-more

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Well, I will not be reading post 20 but did read post 44.

Here it is for people curious.


agree.

ISIS is the borg, except those they absorb are not willing soldiers. "convert or die" and conversion means fighting with them. They are 100,000 strong - how many are unwilling? Drop fliers promising immediate humanitarian aid for any city that rises up and kicks IS out. Offer a bounty for the head of any IS officer. Provide simple sabotage instructions as we did in Nicaragua.

http://www.intbel.com/Downloads/CIA%20Manual.pdf

supposedly 500 people have come from each the US and UK, that's 1,000 total, 1:100. A drop in the bucket. They self identify by getting on certain flights and could be intercepted or fitted with trackers upon landing. Communications (recruitment) could be jammed and the MSM asked to maintain a blackout on things like beheadings.

They use human shields. For every person that dies due to collateral damage, three join their ranks. In short, we are their best recruiter. Stop doing that! Seriously pay heed to Laurence's words about avoiding frontal attack. Instead attack the roads, rail, communications, water and power, sanitation, repair facilities, ammo dumps and fuel dumps (think Rommel in Africa). If you make the population miserable, they will rise up. Also, remember that they are using american weapons and shouldn't have any resupply for the munitions. When they run out of ammo, they stop. When they run out of gas, they can't use heavy weapons except where they are. When they can't feed their troops, people desert or revolt. Then sit back and wait, attacking only repair crews, far from where they are strong.


There is so much fail within this post I feel like moving to the mountains. Congratulations. I've officially lost hope in this country ever wising up.

ETA: You do seem like quite the strategist. You could always volunteer your expertise, you know? Who knows, a military strategist such as yourself might not even be placed on the front lines.

[navy-vet]

Personally, I would think that a beheading with a hand knife verses a swift guillotine or even an axe or a sword, would be far more painful, "grisly" and terrifying. Apples to oranges comparison here.