Ted Cruz: Revoke US citizenship of those supporting terrorist groups

[tsai3904]

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) is slated to introduce legislation next week that would revoke the U.S. citizenship of anyone fighting or providing support to terrorist groups working to attack the United States.

Cruz said he is filing the Expatriate Terrorist Act in reaction to the threat posed by the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS). It would provide another level of protection to prevent foreign fighters from re-entering the United States, he said.

“Americans who choose to go to Syria or Iraq to fight with vicious ISIS terrorists are party to a terrorist organization committing horrific acts of violence, including beheading innocent American journalists who they have captured,” Cruz said in a statement.

"There can be no clearer renunciation of their citizenship in the United States, and we need to do everything we can to preempt any attempt on their part to re-enter our country and carry out further attacks on American civilians.”

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More:
http://thehill.com/policy/international/216791-cruz-want-citizenship-stripped-from-us-fighters-linked-to-isis

[tod evans]

Does that include the congresscritters who voted to fund them too?

[Brett85]

I think I have to draw the line on this and oppose it. You can't just revoke someone's citizenship without a trial. That sets a dangerous precedent.

[Brett85]

Hmmm, the article says that Rand supports the bill as well. I'm not sure, it just seems like it could lead to the loss of civil liberties.

[Root]

Does that include the congresscritters who voted to fund them too?
No, just us.

[twomp]

I think I have to draw the line on this and oppose it. You can't just revoke someone's citizenship without a trial. That sets a dangerous precedent.

So you want a trial to remove their citizenship but a trial is not needed to bomb them? Consistency is hard.

[tsai3904]

Hmmm, the article says that Rand supports the bill as well. I'm not sure, it just seems like it could lead to the loss of civil liberties.

It doesn't say Rand supports the bill. It says Rand gave support to a similar proposal in a Time magazine op-ed.

The only mention of something similar in his op-ed is this:


We should revoke passports from any Americans or dual citizens who are fighting with ISIS.

[TaftFan]

I agree. Convict them of treason.

[twomp]

I agree. Convict them of treason.

There's no time. ISIS will take over the world soon. Just bomb them. If anything, have a trail afterwards. It should be a slam dunk. ISIS = boogey man.

[Brett85]

It doesn't say Rand supports the bill. It says Rand gave support to a similar proposal in a Time magazine op-ed.

The only mention of something similar in his op-ed is this:

Well that's good. We definitely need to revoke their passports but shouldn't strip them of their citizenship without a trial.

[juleswin]

Give them a speedy trial and if convicted, kick em off the island.

[RickyJ]

He wants his own citizenship revoked then since he supports the terrorist state of Israel. You see Cruz, you can't define who is a terrorist and who isn't because you support the biggest terrorist organization on Earth, Israel!

[tod evans]

How about just discussing the domestic terrorists who openly wage war on Americans right now?

The "Just-Us" department has declared war on the citizenry and has been taking prisoners and murdering for decades...

[William Tell]

Does that include the congresscritters who voted to fund them too?

This.

[RickyJ]

“Americans who choose to go to Syria or Iraq to fight with vicious ISIS terrorists are party to a terrorist organization committing horrific acts of violence,...

What about Americans choosing to go to Israel to fight with the demonic Israeli terrorists? Cruz you are inconsistent and it is obvious you don't belong in American politics at any level.

[cajuncocoa]

Says the Senator who recently held a dual citizenship.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/11/politics/ted-cruz-canada-citizenship/

[William Tell]

Says the Senator who recently held a dual citizenship.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/11/politics/ted-cruz-canada-citizenship/

Yeah, thin ice. Cruz knows a lot about revoking citizenship, he had his own Canadian Citizenship revoked.

[69360]

I'm ok with this if it is done through the courts. If it's done extra judicially, it can be abused.

[agitator]

http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/5385/images/McCain-ISIS_meme_stevepiper_net.jpg

[Brett85]

I'm ok with this if it is done through the courts. If it's done extra judicially, it can be abused.

There wasn't anything mentioned about going through the courts in the article, which is a major problem with the bill if it doesn't include any type of due process at all.

[mad cow]

Says the Senator who recently held a dual citizenship.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/11/politics/ted-cruz-canada-citizenship/

BURN!

[69360]

http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/5385/images/McCain-ISIS_meme_stevepiper_net.jpg


FFS, it has been proven over and over that those are not IS fighters. I'm not defending McCain here, but lets stick to actual facts ok?

[cindy25]

It doesn't say Rand supports the bill. It says Rand gave support to a similar proposal in a Time magazine op-ed.

The only mention of something similar in his op-ed is this:

revoking passports is different than revoking citizenship. I don't think it's constitutional to revoke natural born citizenship.

[Brett85]

Cruz says on his website that his bill would include some kind of due process.


Provided the requirements of due process are observed, if a U.S. Citizen undertakes these acts with the intent of supplanting his U.S. Citizenship with loyalty to a terrorist organization, that person can be deemed to have forfeited their right to be a United States Citizen and return to the United States.

http://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=1678

[CPUd]

Would it still cost the $2400 whatever exit tax?

[Vanguard101]

Wow libertarians think traitors exist? Statists...

[TheTexan]

I'm ok with this if it is done through the courts. If it's done extra judicially, it can be abused.

I agree. As long as it goes through the courts, it can't be abused.

[devil21]

FFS, it has been proven over and over that those are not IS fighters. I'm not defending McCain here, but lets stick to actual facts ok?

You're wrong buddy. Baghdadi (not his real name) is in that picture and the one in the link below.

http://talkandchats.blogspot.com/2014/08/abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-met-john-mccain.html

[Brian4Liberty]

Further down the slippery slope. Those who say that non-citizen prisoners of the US do not have rights were the first step. This is the next step. Stripping citizens of their citizenship and thus their rights. The Marxist Supremes will gladly uphold this. "All animals are equal but some animals are more equal."

[extortion17]

Does that include the congresscritters who voted to fund them too?


FFS, it has been proven over and over that those are not IS fighters. I'm not defending McCain here, but lets stick to actual facts ok?


http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/ebay005a_zps0954a142.jpg (http://s372.photobucket.com/user/sunblush/media/ebay005a_zps0954a142.jpg.html)

The guy on the far right is confirmed and implicated in ISIL operations fwiw _ I can dig up his name if need be.

This guy in the middle is . . . well . . . kinda a joker prankster - like on the USS Forrestal which does not forget btw

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/johnmccainisisjoker001a_zps266b92d3.jpg (http://s372.photobucket.com/user/sunblush/media/johnmccainisisjoker001a_zps266b92d3.jpg.html)



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[69360]

You're wrong buddy. Baghdadi (not his real name) is in that picture and the one in the link below.

http://talkandchats.blogspot.com/2014/08/abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-met-john-mccain.html


Please tell me you aren't really that gullible.

[Christian Liberty]

He wants his own citizenship revoked then since he supports the terrorist state of Israel. You see Cruz, you can't define who is a terrorist and who isn't because you support the biggest terrorist organization on Earth, Israel!

Israel is a lot smaller than the US.

How about just discussing the domestic terrorists who openly wage war on Americans right now?

The "Just-Us" department has declared war on the citizenry and has been taking prisoners and murdering for decades...

Good point.

[KingNothing]

He wants his own citizenship revoked then since he supports the terrorist state of Israel. You see Cruz, you can't define who is a terrorist and who isn't because you support the biggest terrorist organization on Earth, Israel!


lol, you're one goofy bastard.

Aren't you the guy who also went off the deep-end over "algorithmic vote flipping," among other goofy things?

[KingNothing]

Wow libertarians think traitors exist? Statists...

Well, I think there are a small number of people who want to kill guys like me and you. If a government has to exist, and for now -sadly- it does exist, I don't have too much of a problem with it saying "hey, you people who are jihading against innocent people.... you don't get to be around us."

Of course, this will eventually be abused if it is enacted. Hopefully Cruz and others proposing/supporting this recognize that fact and try to mitigate the consequences of it.

[Christian Liberty]

Well, I think there are a small number of people who want to kill guys like me and you. If a government has to exist, and for now -sadly- it does exist, I don't have too much of a problem with it saying "hey, you people who are jihading against innocent people.... you don't get to be around us."

Of course, this will eventually be abused if it is enacted. Hopefully Cruz and others proposing/supporting this recognize that fact and try to mitigate the consequences of it.

ISIS isn't actually a threat to the US though.

[PRB]

Does that include the congresscritters who voted to fund them too?

Proof that the liberty movement doesn't need teabaggers, paranoid jingoists and conspiracy theorists.

[tod evans]

Proof that the liberty movement doesn't need teabaggers, paranoid jingoists and conspiracy theorists.

The liberty movement needs all those folks...

It even needs the deranged...

Got anything to contribute to this thread?

[luctor-et-emergo]

Would it still cost the $2400 whatever exit tax?

No if you join ISIS it's free, and you get a free bonus gift, a hellfire missile delivered at your location. Non refundable. Until supplies run out. Experiences may vary. /s

[69360]

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/ebay005a_zps0954a142.jpg (http://s372.photobucket.com/user/sunblush/media/ebay005a_zps0954a142.jpg.html)

The guy on the far right is confirmed and implicated in ISIL operations fwiw _ I can dig up his name if need be.

Wrong. The guy next to McCain is General Idris of the FSA, not IS. McCain was meeting with a moderate faction early in the war in Syria. Plus if you look at the whole photo, not that cropped on, there is a Syrian woman in western clothes and a head scarf to the right. You really think radical jihadists like IS would be associated and pictured with a woman in western clothes?

[69360]

Proof that the liberty movement doesn't need teabaggers, paranoid jingoists and conspiracy theorists.

Eh, the conspiracy theorists piss me off sometimes, but nobody is making them leave. Hopefully they chill out with all that next presidential election.

[tod evans]

You really think radical jihadists like IS would be associated and pictured with a woman in western clothes?

I've never met a "radical jihadist" but given the MSM's propensity to distort things there's no telling...

Have you met one or are you relying on the MSM to help you form your opinions?

[69360]

I've never met a "radical jihadist" but given the MSM's propensity to distort things there's no telling...

Have you met one or are you relying on the MSM to help you form your opinions?

You're kidding right? They flatly state women are to wear a burqua outside the home and not leave the home without a male relative. MSM didn't tell me that, they did, it's their sharia law.

[Natural Citizen]

Does that include the congresscritters who voted to fund them too?

Heh. Yer on a roll, Tod evans. Alas, I must spread some reputation around...somewhere.

[William Tell]

Proof that the liberty movement doesn't need teabaggers, paranoid jingoists and conspiracy theorists.

Neg repped.

[tod evans]

You're kidding right? They flatly state women are to wear a burqua outside the home and not leave the home without a male relative. MSM didn't tell me that, they did, it's their sharia law.

[edit]

I don't know what they believe but most folks will swallow their pride and stand next to a snake for money or "stuff"....

[William Tell]

The liberty movement needs all those folks...

It even needs the deranged...

Got anything to contribute to this thread?

Yes, we can even use the MSM brainwashed sheeple, if they would join us. But the Libs prefer to troll.
I proudly reject the mainstream view on most things, even a dead fish can go with the flow. Real men are pioneers.

[roho76]

So when does support for Palestine turn into support for ISIS or any other "terrorist" networks?

[Natural Citizen]

So when does support for Palestine turn into support for ISIS or any other "terrorist" networks?

Beyond that, what happens when these so called "trade deals" come into fruition and economic hitmen who are fond of buying themselves legislation start calling you a terrorist because your national sovereignty cuts into their so called right to profit or prosper or loot the hell out of your country or whatever the heck word they want to use. That's a real thing. Ignored but real.

It baffles me how these people and industry who have no real or genuine loyalty to the US or even love for it's land are able to come into power and work against it's people in the way that they do. It's like they skate right on in.

I can't believe Ted Cruz's name is even uttered around here as it is. He's another one off those never let a good crisis go to waste kind of people.

[PRB]

Eh, the conspiracy theorists piss me off sometimes, but nobody is making them leave. Hopefully they chill out with all that next presidential election.

they won't until 9/11 truth is accepted as fact

[PRB]

So when does support for Palestine turn into support for ISIS or any other "terrorist" networks?

Wow, really? Yeah, that's ridiculous.

ISIS isn't supported by ANYBODY, not Hamas, not Hezbollah, not Muslim Brotherhood, not any government.

[devil21]

Wrong. The guy next to McCain is General Idris of the FSA, not IS. McCain was meeting with a moderate faction early in the war in Syria. Plus if you look at the whole photo, not that cropped on, there is a Syrian woman in western clothes and a head scarf to the right. You really think radical jihadists like IS would be associated and pictured with a woman in western clothes?

Wow this thread sure got quickly mucked up with bs by the troll brigade. The link clearly shows which person is Baghdadi (Simon Elliott) in the link pic. No one is talking about Idris and you know it.

There's tons of links and pics of the meeting. Stop playing dumb. McCain should lose his citizenship under Cruz' bill!! Only fair!

http://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2014/08/13/isis-is-run-by-simon-elliot-a-mossad-agent-reports-and-links-collection/

https://syrianfreepress.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/john-mccain-and-the-leader-of-isis.jpg

Must read!
http://madworldnews.com/video-john-mccains-whoops-moment-photographed-chilling-isis/

http://i2.wp.com/madworldnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/LiveLeak-dot-com-50ec6ffd7b3a-mccainsyria1.jpg?resize=610%2C360

[devil21]

Wow, really? Yeah, that's ridiculous.

ISIS isn't supported by ANYBODY, not Hamas, not Hezbollah, not Muslim Brotherhood, not any government.

Just Mossad, the CIA and probably the Saudis. But that's all.

[69360]

So when does support for Palestine turn into support for ISIS or any other "terrorist" networks?

Typical western view. You can't or purposely won't make a distinction between the various sects and organizations. Same as the guy who is claiming McCain posed with IS, when it was really the FSA.

Hamas and the PLO are not IS. This would be like saying if you are a Catholic in the US, you are the same as a protestant in the US because hey, they are all Christians.

[PRB]

Just Mossad, the CIA and probably the Saudis. But that's all.

In other words, no Islamofascist group.

[69360]

Wow this thread sure got quickly mucked up with bs by the troll brigade. The link clearly shows which person is Baghdadi (Simon Elliott) in the link pic.


No, you've clearly taken conspiracy wingnut to the next level is what happened.

You expect us to believe that the leader of IS was with McCain(pro tip- that's not him) and hold on, is really a Jew? :rolleyes:

Go back to the 9/11 conspiracies, you get more followers with those.

[devil21]

No, you've clearly taken conspiracy wingnut to the next level is what happened.

You expect us to believe that the leader of IS was with McCain(pro tip- that's not him) and hold on, is really a Jew? :rolleyes:

Go back to the 9/11 conspiracies, you get more followers with those.

Yep, that's exactly what I expect because that's exactly what happened and that's exactly what McCain is known for doing on behalf of his Mossad masters. So happy to see you zio-shills finally fully outing yourselves on this forum! Keep up the crap work!
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And what amazing timing! Once the Baghdadi and McCain pics start getting more attention, guess who shows up 'dead'?

http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/urgent-isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-allegedly-killed-us-airstrikes/

[nobody's_hero]

Would it still cost the $2400 whatever exit tax?

I was wondering this too. But I'm not sure what you mean exactly. Could you please elaborate using a .gif?

[CPUd]

I was wondering this too. But I'm not sure what you mean exactly. Could you please elaborate using a .gif?

http://i.minus.com/iKrrQmuj7RJ9Z.gif

[Dr.3D]

http://i.minus.com/iKrrQmuj7RJ9Z.gif
Man, it's a good thing that guy was knocked out. I'll bet after he regained consciousness, he figured he got really beat up in that crash.

[kylejack]

Look at all the innocent people who have been added to the no-fly list by the incompetent TSA. We shouldn't be giving the government the power to just revoke someone's citizenship.

[orenbus]

If this bill ever goes to the floor I hope you guys reach out to your reps. and tell them not to vote on something like this that could easily be abused. We already have laws on the books to deal with various threats, if the Republic has survived this long I don't think we need to add a law that could be corrupted by government to attack it's citizens in the future while calling it a measure to protect the country.

Also as a side note if our government ever gets to a point where we begin to live under dictatorship rule, you better believe a law like this will be used against those that fight to defend the constitution and fellow citizens, easily stripping them of their rights.

[extortion17]

Wrong. The guy next to McCain is General Idris of the FSA, not IS. McCain was meeting with a moderate faction early in the war in Syria. Plus if you look at the whole photo, not that cropped on, there is a Syrian woman in western clothes and a head scarf to the right. You really think radical jihadists like IS would be associated and pictured with a woman in western clothes?

Yes I did crop on the photo, and the guy next to McCain may be who you say and not ISIL. But . . .


http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/ebay005a_zps0954a142.jpg (http://s372.photobucket.com/user/sunblush/media/ebay005a_zps0954a142.jpg.html)


that does not mean I am wrong about the guy on the far right - the tallest who has been identified in other photos as
the same terrorist responsible for at least 2 or 3 murder atrocities for ISIL.

I have seen the photo with a woman against the wall far out to the right - I believe she was part of McCain's entourage.

These guys all know who Johnny McCain is . . . getting a photo set-up with him as they are laughing inside.
So what in the hell is McCain doing with these thugs anyway ? brokering US weapons to ISIL unknowingly or knowingly probably - imho

And that is the same question as on the videotape from the USS Forrestal on 29 July 1967. . .
. . . the video from the aircraft carrier deck shows McCain trying to start his jet, with his aft on fire already . . .
but this is all incidental to the 12.7 cm Zuni rocket whizzing by him, What the hell was McCain doing ?
Trying to start his jet amid explosions on deck . . . did he think he would - if his jet had started -
just then fly off the USS Forrestal while the carrier deck was on fire ?

[jmdrake]

I agree. Convict them of treason.

Yes. Let's start with certain Fox News commentators who openly supported Al Qaeda.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIRUeJYFZ94

[devil21]

I have a better solution for the Krauthammer problem.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3cbrfpVmK8

[extortion17]

Yeah, thin ice. Cruz knows a lot about revoking citizenship, he had his own Canadian Citizenship revoked.


This.. It's only unacceptable if you actually have a plan to see it done.. Just more grandstanding from this douchebag.

Canadian-born Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas) is an expert at grandstanding and theatrics . . . eh . . .
Thank the founding fathers of the Summer of 1787 that made it not possible for him to ever become President or Vice-President



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-4FQAov2xI

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[PRB]

Yes. Let's start with certain Fox News commentators who openly supported Al Qaeda.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIRUeJYFZ94


he didn't say he supports al Qaeda, and he's wrong, Rand didn't discover a problem that never exist, he's saying it was a problem and still is, when we take a side of lesser of 2 evils.

[Brett85]

We could start with stripping citizenship from President Obama, since he's calling for arming the Syrian rebels. (ISIS)

[JakeH]

There's zero need for any sort of expatriation act when the charge of treason exists.

[jmdrake]

he didn't say he supports al Qaeda, and he's wrong, Rand didn't discover a problem that never exist, he's saying it was a problem and still is, when we take a side of lesser of 2 evils.

When talking about Stalin he said "We gave him endless SUPPORT knowing we had to choose between the lesser of two evils". So you are wrong. He clearly said we should SUPPORT Al Qaeda in Syria because somehow they are Stalin and Assad is Hitler. The problem is that Stalin didn't attack us. Hitler's Japanese allies did. So Al Qaeda is closer to the Hitler analogy and Assad is Stalin.

[jmdrake]

Wrong. The guy next to McCain is General Idris of the FSA, not IS. McCain was meeting with a moderate faction early in the war in Syria. Plus if you look at the whole photo, not that cropped on, there is a Syrian woman in western clothes and a head scarf to the right. You really think radical jihadists like IS would be associated and pictured with a woman in western clothes?

This so called "moderate faction" sold a western journalist to ISIS for $50,000. The man was later beheaded.