War Propaganda - looking for examples

[lilymc]

I have an idea, and if anyone likes this idea, your help would be greatly appreciated.

I want to put together a video to help wake up people who are still buying all the propaganda and supporting the neverending wars.

I want to compile all the blatant propaganda and lies, going all the way back to the first Gulf War. Anyone remember that? :o Remember the whole "babies being yanked out of incubators" story, with that girl crying.... and then it turned out to be completely fake?

They've been doing the same thing for so long now, every time they want to sell a war. There's always a boogeyman or babies being killed, or other horrific stories designed to get everyone angry and gung ho about going to war.

So, if you can think of examples (that turned out to be known lies) could you post the clips here?

I've noticed you guys are good at catching when they use the same person for two different things, and stuff like that.

Thank you!!! :)

[lilymc]

Oh, and I put this here because I didn't know what forum to post it in..... if it should be somewhere else, the mods can move it.

[bolil]

The only effective defense against propaganda is as complete alienation from it as is possible. Even identifying it spreads it. Game over. Having said that, "I know half of you half as well as I should like and like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." I'm going now.

[Ronin Truth]

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=US+war+propaganda&gbv=2&oq=US+war+propaganda&gs_l=heirloom-hp.13..0l2j0i22i30l8.8503828.8512390.0.8547281.17. 12.0.0.0.0.2063.3969.6-1j1j0j1.3.0....0...1ac.1.34.heirloom-hp..14.3.3969.VvEUvOaGXsk

[thoughtomator]

Heck, you can do a real-time war propaganda collection with the Ukraine situation.

[Ronin Truth]

The only effective defense against propaganda is as complete alienation from it as is possible. Even identifying it spreads it. Game over. Having said that, "I know half of you half as well as I should like and like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." I'm going now.

It is hard to fight an enemy who has outposts in your head.

[Carlybee]

Project for a New American Century

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

[lilymc]

The only effective defense against propaganda is as complete alienation from it as is possible. Even identifying it spreads it. Game over. Having said that, "I know half of you half as well as I should like and like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." I'm going now.

Not if it's clearly pointed out to be false. The problem is, usually by the time people realize it's false, it's too late and then people forget about it. I think compiling examples will remind them and hopefully cause people to stop believing everything they hear from the major media.



Heck, you can do a real-time war propaganda collection with the Ukraine situation.

Thanks, I'll look definitely look there.


Project for a New American Century

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

Thanks!


https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=US+war+propaganda&gbv=2&oq=US+war+propaganda&gs_l=heirloom-hp.13..0l2j0i22i30l8.8503828.8512390.0.8547281.17. 12.0.0.0.0.2063.3969.6-1j1j0j1.3.0....0...1ac.1.34.heirloom-hp..14.3.3969.VvEUvOaGXsk

Yes, of course, but since many here seem to be extra savvy on this stuff, I figured it would be much better and quicker to ask for help instead of trying to find examples on my own by wading through hundreds of pages of google. But no worries either way.


Oh, and thank you to the mods for changing the title! So much better! :)

[CPUd]

This should give you some ideas:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHXiYtkWHjI

[lilymc]

This should give you some ideas:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHXiYtkWHjI

Awesome, thank you. I need to watch it, bit I think I can definitely use clips like that. :D

[devil21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsUtvOW6SR0

[presence]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5jQe6C01XU

[lilymc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsUtvOW6SR0

Wow, interesting. Thanks so much!

I have a 2 other video projects in the works right now, but I want to keep compiling these clips, so when I do start on it, I'll have plenty of content.

Thanks again!!

[lilymc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5jQe6C01XU

LOL! Oh my gosh.... his propaganda comment is perfect. :p

Thanks!

[devil21]

Here's another good vid for you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lF1pxOLLK0

[fr33]

I like you idea of working on this. I'm kind of drawing a blank at the moment but hope to contribute. If you are trying to persuade others, I would caution you to be careful when using some of the more controversial conspiracies that don't have enough proof but people should post them anyways.

One thing that comes to mind (and I won't be wording it correctly for public consumption) is the chickenhawk.
Bill Kristol
John Bolton
Dick Cheney
Mitt Romney
Paul Wolfowitz
George W. Bush
Karl Rove
Ted Nugent
etc...

There are so many chickenhawks who have always supported every war they can think of. Just not enough to ever put their asses on the line.

[amy31416]

There was a girl who stated that the Iraqi gov't forces were tossing babies out of incubators--turned out she was totally full of shit. Can't do videos right now, but should be easy enough to Google...along with the whole "yellowcake" debacle.

I can give you these for reference though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries

[lilymc]

Here's another good vid for you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lF1pxOLLK0

Excellent, thanks!


I like you idea of working on this. I'm kind of drawing a blank at the moment but hope to contribute. If you are trying to persuade others, I would caution you to be careful when using some of the more controversial conspiracies that don't have enough proof but people should post them anyways.

One thing that comes to mind (and I won't be wording it correctly for public consumption) is the chickenhawk.
Bill Kristol
John Bolton
Dick Cheney
Mitt Romney
Paul Wolfowitz
George W. Bush
Karl Rove
Ted Nugent
etc...

There are so many chickenhawks who have always supported every war they can think of. Just not enough to ever put their asses on the line.

I agree about using things that are iffy. I want to try to stick to clear cut cases... things that are undeniable.

And thank you for the list of warmongering hypocrites!



There was a girl who stated that the Iraqi gov't forces were tossing babies out of incubators--turned out she was totally full of shit. Can't do videos right now, but should be easy enough to Google...along with the whole "yellowcake" debacle.

I can give you these for reference though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries

Thanks. Yeah, I remember the incubator one. I think a lot of people either forgot about that, or maybe are too young to remember it.

Because how people can STILL buy all the pro-war propaganda at this point is amazing to me.

Thanks so much, you all! :)

[presence]

There was a girl who stated that the Iraqi gov't forces were tossing babies out of incubators--turned out she was totally full of shit.
I can give you these for reference though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmfVs3WaE9Y

[presence]

http://www.c-span.org/video/?175510-1/house-session&start=17792


10:56:11
Scott McInnis LIKE TO SAY THAT KEVIN BRADY AND I HAVE FOR SOME TIME WANTED TO GET TOGETHER ON THE HOUSE FLOOR AND DISCUSS THE CENTRAL ISSUE OF IRAQ.

[.............]


TELL ME ABOUT THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM WHERE THEY PUT MEN THROUGH SHREDERS -- MAYBE WOMEN, TOO.


You can cut and paste that clip using the tools provided.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein%27s_alleged_shredder

[presence]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Libyan_rape_allegations


United States secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, has noted that "rape, physical intimidation, sexual harassment, and even so-called 'virginity tests' have taken place in countries throughout the region."


, Jumana Hanna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumana_Hanna), testified that she had been subjected to inhumane treatment by Baathist policemen during two years of imprisonment, including being subjected to electric shocks and raped repeatedly.


In 2004, former Marine Staff Sgt. Jimmy Massey claimed that he and other Marines intentionally killed dozens of innocent Iraqi civilians, including a 4-year-old girl.


Muammar Gaddafi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi) loyalists, who where ordered to perform mass "Viagra-fueled rapes"


Ukrainian soldiers in Sloviansk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloviansk) had crucified a three-year old boy to a board, and later dragged his mother with a tank, causing her death.


Serbian photographer claimed to have seen the corpses of 41 children, which had allegedly been killed by Croatian soldiers. The story was published by media outlets worldwide, but the photographer later admitted to fabricating his account.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda#Iraq_War

keyword: atrocity propaganda

[presence]

Then of course there were the 100,000, err, 20000, err 10,000, err could be a few hundred yazitis... fuck it we already dropped bombs.

[presence]

Have we mentioned "The Holocaust(™)"? Or is that taboo?

http://www.whale.to/b/jewish_soap_article2.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cgZOBVqzHyo


he Dachau homicidal “Gas Chamber” is not a homicidal gas chamber because it was originally a real, operational shower room that US Psychological Warfare units modified to look like a “gas chamber disguised as a shower room” shortly after camp liberation. Among other crude modifications, they plastered a lower ceiling below the original, much higher ceilings.
http://holocausthoaxmuseum.com/holocaust-genocidal-gas-chambers-auschwitz-dachau-majdanek-hoax-museum/


http://holocausthoaxmuseum.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/dachau-ceiling-hoax-gas-chamber.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0JLAeizGoNQ

[twomp]

I was against war until I found out ISIS beheaded these pandas today. Now I saw we nuke them all.

http://www.pbh2.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/cutest-panda-gifs-group.gif

[KingNothing]

Propaganda is way more subtle than almost everyone realizes. I highly suggest that anyone interested in it become familiar with Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent. Really insightful stuff, from an otherwise insufferable Progressive.

[Iowa]

World War Two propaganda from the National World War Two Museum. For students but basic.
http://www.nationalww2museum.org/learn/education/for-students/ww2-history/at-a-glance/propaganda-posters.html

[mrsat_98]

Elliot Rodger/Sandy Hook/James Foley "These lines…: http://youtu.be/ne824PMLe8w wtc made for tv fakery.