Poll shows Americans favor military action against Islamic State by 4-1

[cajuncocoa]

By Rick Moran (http://www.americanthinker.com/rick_moran) (American Thinker.com)



A survey conducted by YouGov.com showed that by a 4-1 margin, Americans favor military strikes against Islamic State.

The poll's results are the opposite of a similar survey taken earlier this year regarding military action against President Bashar Assad's forces in Syria.



Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/09/poll_shows_americans_favor_military_action_against _islamic_state_by_41.html#ixzz3CBI9ZJQF

[orenbus]

Is that even a real poll?

[Brett85]

The poll's results are the opposite of a similar survey taken earlier this year regarding military action against President Bashar Assad's forces in Syria.

Because if we had intervened and taken out Assad, ISIS would've taken over Syria. It was only blind stupid luck that made Obama decide to not take out Assad and allow ISIS to take over Syria.

[Ronin Truth]

Send the four. Is this that 20% having 80% of the brains thing again?

[Acala]

You can see just from some people's reactions on this forum how effective the war propaganda machine is. We have endless war on this planet because the people who profit from it hire the very best manipulators money can buy. And we fall for it again and again and again.

[Czolgosz]

Send the four. Is this that 20% having 80% of the brains thing again?

Sounds like it.

Those numbers also jibe w/ my sense of "free range farm animal"/"independent thinker" ratio.

[Brian4Liberty]

You can see just from some people's reactions on this forum how effective the war propaganda machine is. We have endless war on this planet because the people who profit from it hire the very best manipulators money can buy. And we fall for it again and again and again.

And it always helps to have a good outrage as a catalyst...


Who remembers the infamous 2004 Fallujah ambush, where the Blackwater victims were burned and hung from a bridge? It was probably the single biggest key to escalating the war in Iraq. The US was ready to leave Iraq, but then this outrageous event occurred, which provided all of the motivation necessary to stay and escalate.
...
What are the odds of another 2004 Fallujah-style attack? One that will create outrage, and serve as a rallying cry for the neoconservative war-mongers?


The beheading of James Foley by ISIS comes pretty close to meeting the criteria. And the neoconservatives are ecstatic...

[Antischism]

Well, both neoliberals and neoconservatives are fear-mongering and attacking Obama for not being hawkish enough, so both sides are starting to unite around that narrative. The anti-Muslim sentiment is growing again along with the bloodlust.

Someone I interact with daily who is an avid Fox News watcher told me this a couple of hours ago while we were in the same room: "Obama is a Muslim, of course he doesn't want to attack them! We're weak now because Obama doesn't want to protect America." I could only roll my eyes.

[GunnyFreedom]

Military action to do what, exactly? Bomb a few collateral targets and march a few soldiers around for a couple weeks and go home? I don't get the point. If these guys are a legitimate threat, go to Congress and get Marque, and throw a $10 Million bounty on the head of the guy who's trying to kill you. You will see him soon enough. I don't honestly get what "military action" is supposed to accomplish with a problem like this?

[Christian Liberty]

Well, both neoliberals and neoconservatives are fear-mongering and attacking Obama for not being hawkish enough, so both sides are starting to unite around that narrative. The anti-Muslim sentiment is growing again along with the bloodlust.

Someone I interact with daily who is an avid Fox News watcher told me this a couple of hours ago while we were in the same room: "Obama is a Muslim, of course he doesn't want to attack them! We're weak now because Obama doesn't want to protect America." I could only roll my eyes.

Its a perfect example of conservatives* thinking they are intelligent when they are really just dumb as rocks.



*Not denying that there are a handful of highly intelligent paleocons... I was definitely generalizing above.

[Christian Liberty]

Military action to do what, exactly? Bomb a few collateral targets and march a few soldiers around for a couple weeks and go home? I don't get the point. If these guys are a legitimate threat, go to Congress and get Marque, and throw a $10 Million bounty on the head of the guy who's trying to kill you. You will see him soon enough. I don't honestly get what "military action" is supposed to accomplish with a problem like this?

Yeah, but then it would be obvious that we don't actually need the State to protect us, that private civilians can do it. That's the true nightmare scenario for the crooks in DC.

[Brian4Liberty]

Military action to do what, exactly? Bomb a few collateral targets and march a few soldiers around for a couple weeks and go home? I don't get the point. If these guys are a legitimate threat, go to Congress and get Marque, and throw a $10 Million bounty on the head of the guy who's trying to kill you. You will see him soon enough. I don't honestly get what "military action" is supposed to accomplish with a problem like this?

They want to fully deploy, have a surge, re-occupy Iraq, set up another puppet one-Iraq government, and spend another $4,000,000,000,000.00 and ten more years supporting and training them to "stand on their own".

[enhanced_deficit]

Another tragic act unfolds.



Jewish-American Journalist Steven Sotloff Beheaded By ISIS

2 hours ago at 2:00 PM
ISIS has released another video showing a beheading of an American journalist, and this time the victim is Jewish reporter Steven Sotloff.
Sotloff has been missing since August 2013, when he was believed kidnapped in Syria. Just last week, his mother Shirley Sotloff published a video appeal calling for her son’s release.
Today, a video began circulating showing a masked terrorist standing over a kneeling victim dressed in orange. The individual is now believed to indeed be Sotloff.
In the video, the ISIS terrorist threatened another captive, a British reporter named David Haines, before brutally beheading Sotloff.
“This is something that the administration has obviously been watching very carefully,” said White House press secretary Josh Earnest. “Our thoughts and prayers first and foremost are with Mr. Sotloff and Mr. Sotloff’s family and those who worked with him.”
Two weeks ago, ISIS similarly beheaded US journalist James Foley (http://www.jspacenews.com/tag/james-foley/), also video taping the murder.
In 2002, Jewish journalist Daniel Pearl was likewise murdered by extremists from al Qaeda.

http://www.jspacenews.com/jewish-american-journalist-steven-sotloff-beheaded-isis/


This was one of his last tweets:



Steven Sotloff @stevensotloff · 25 Apr 2013 (https://twitter.com/stevensotloff/status/327528104912367616)
If #70000 dead isn't #redline (https://twitter.com/hashtag/redline?src=hash) enough, whats a few dozen by #chemicalweapons (https://twitter.com/hashtag/chemicalweapons?src=hash)? Not advocating anything in #Syria (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Syria?src=hash) but after 2yrs stop tiptoeing
https://twitter.com/stevensotloff


(https://twitter.com/stevensotloff)

[Brian4Liberty]

Another tragic act unfolds.


More fuel for the fire.

[Acala]

Military action to do what, exactly? Bomb a few collateral targets and march a few soldiers around for a couple weeks and go home? I don't get the point. If these guys are a legitimate threat, go to Congress and get Marque, and throw a $10 Million bounty on the head of the guy who's trying to kill you. You will see him soon enough. I don't honestly get what "military action" is supposed to accomplish with a problem like this?

Exactly.

[twomp]

There are some self proclaimed "non-interventionist" on these very forums that are advocating air strikes on ISIS. The greatest propaganda machine in the world has struck again.

[Tywysog Cymru]

The media is obviously responsible. The only reporter I ever saw question the Cheney's of this world during the last few months was Meghan Kelly.

[devil21]

yougov.com is based in London, according to whois data.


They want to fully deploy, have a surge, re-occupy Iraq, set up another puppet one-Iraq government, and spend another $4,000,000,000,000.00 and ten more years supporting and training them to "stand on their own".

Gotta disagree with ya. Assad and his gov't is still the target and all of this ISIS stuff is propaganda to try to build US support for attacking (whether explicitly stated or not) the Syrian military.

[Anti Federalist]

Military action to do what, exactly? Bomb a few collateral targets and march a few soldiers around for a couple weeks and go home? I don't get the point. If these guys are a legitimate threat, go to Congress and get Marque, and throw a $10 Million bounty on the head of the guy who's trying to kill you. You will see him soon enough. I don't honestly get what "military action" is supposed to accomplish with a problem like this?

"Bomb something, God damn it!" - Boobus.

[Anti Federalist]

Jewish - American?

<facepalm>

[GunnyFreedom]

yougov.com is based in London, according to whois data.



Gotta disagree with ya. Assad and his gov't is still the target and all of this ISIS stuff is propaganda to try to build US support for attacking (whether explicitly stated or not) the Syrian military.

I'm not so sure they are that devious. More likely their next chosen golden boy boogie man went off the reservation, and so ended up with a target on his back.

[enhanced_deficit]

The media is obviously responsible. The only reporter I ever saw question the Cheney's of this world during the last few months was Meghan Kelly.

2003: Washington Post ran 27 editorials in favor of Iraq invasion (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?458793-2003-Washington-Post-ran-27-editorials-in-favor-of-Iraq-invasion&)





"Bomb something, God damn it!" - Boobus.

Maybe some but public appetite for militant interventions has greatly decreased in recent years.. although dem/leftist neecons/SWC drone's puppet masters have been quite artful in continuing foreign interventions under the radars.

http://fedupflyers.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Grope-a-dope-13.png (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=KcbSS0LaU9HrhM&tbnid=VWA6rV39cIdDtM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffedupflyers.org%2F&ei=dFWmUrruFYe1kQfMtYCgAQ&bvm=bv.57752919,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNE_alBxHlmqyF93OeXkFC1W5j_DXw&ust=1386718952285962)

[Jamesiv1]

The "actual" video here:

http://vidmax.com/video/85698-Video-of-beheading-of-reporter-Steven-Sotloff-by-ISIS

Now... someone help me out here. The wind is blowing like a son-of-a-gun - both guy's clothes are blowing - but none of the plant-life in the background is moving a single pixel.

I am no video editor guy, but it sure looks to me like the background is a still photo.

Greenscreen?

also... look at 1:40. The beheader casts a shadow, but the beheaded does not?

[devil21]

I'm not so sure they are that devious. More likely their next chosen golden boy boogie man went off the reservation, and so ended up with a target on his back.

5 years was certainly optimistic but the rest has followed his speech. Only Syria, Lebanon and Iran left on the list and I've been seeing Lebanon creeping into the talking points lately.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pGkFMho6Co



Jewish - American?

<facepalm>

Serious question. Have there been any journalists 'beheaded' that weren't Jewish? Nick Berg (contractor), Pearl, Foley, and this guy are the four I recall.

[GunnyFreedom]

5 years was certainly optimistic but the rest has followed his speech. Only Syria, Lebanon and Iran left on the list and I've been seeing Lebanon creeping into the talking points lately.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pGkFMho6Co




Serious question. Have there been any journalists 'beheaded' that weren't Jewish? Nick Berg, Foley, and this guy are the three I recall.

Well, sure, I never said they would stop going after Assad, I'm just saying I don't think this is a 'feint.' I think something went horribly wrong with the McCain/ISIS plan, and as a result IS decided to become legit enemies. Now everybody is freaking out. It's not a sleight of hand, I think it's an 'oops' somebody f'd up.

[69360]

Military action to do what, exactly? Bomb a few collateral targets and march a few soldiers around for a couple weeks and go home? I don't get the point. If these guys are a legitimate threat, go to Congress and get Marque, and throw a $10 Million bounty on the head of the guy who's trying to kill you. You will see him soon enough. I don't honestly get what "military action" is supposed to accomplish with a problem like this?

Who arms the mercenaries that get the letters? IS has heavy weapons and SAMs. Private US citizens can't own comparable weaponry and you can't give a letter of marque to foreigners.

I think if IS is to be taken out, you do it like this. Use all your satellite resources. Send in the spooks. Find out exactly where they are, their habits etc. Announce nothing to the press or public. Position special forces out of country quietly. Rain hell down on them and follow up with SF to kill the survivors. Leave, pull out all US troops and let the civil wars continue. Issue a statement that more threats or executions of US citizens will result in more actions.

You'll never get them all. Best you can hope for is to weaken them as much as possible.

[GunnyFreedom]

Who arms the mercenaries that get the letters? IS has heavy weapons and SAMs. Private US citizens can't own comparable weaponry and you can't give a letter of marque to foreigners.

The full company of MARSOC supporting the Marque with Reprisal. :)


I think if IS is to be taken out, you do it like this. Use all your satellite resources. Send in the spooks. Find out exactly where they are, their habits etc. Announce nothing to the press or public. Position special forces out of country quietly. Rain hell down on them and follow up with SF to kill the survivors. Leave, pull out all US troops and let the civil wars continue. Issue a statement that more threats or executions of US citizens will result in more actions.

You'll never get them all. Best you can hope for is to weaken them as much as possible.

No, but you can get a lot closer to 'all' than you might imagine if you approach it with a lackadaisical attitude. When it becomes obvious that the people only caught up in the tangents are getting released, then that 'all' figure will come even closer to full, as tangential people will stop being so afraid of getting caught up. The the holdouts you pretty much know are the ones in hiding, and you can jack up their bounties to the sky, if only just to demonstrate you had hands on them. Balance the threat to equal measure. Take down the threat network and only the threat network. Bounties and private collectors backed up by a hardened (and heavy) full company of MARSOC. A full MARSOC company can probably do to a place what an heavy battalion or a light regiment does, but here all of that force is laser-focused on prying out this Marque'd threat network.

[pcosmar]

American Thinker=Oxymoron

[pcosmar]

"Bomb something, God damn it!" - Boobus.

http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/204752.jpg


-Ahh... Scrap the plan, just blow something up!
Fargo Flintlocke

[enhanced_deficit]

Jewish - American?

<facepalm>

Wonder this is why hifenated identity was in headline:

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/447748380958011392/B-3cSD0r_normal.png Haaretz.com @haaretzcom (https://twitter.com/haaretzcom) · 6h (https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/507100450571558912)

Foreign Ministry spokesperson: American-Jewish journalist Steven Satloff was an Israeli citizen http://htz.li/b4 (http://t.co/ztQa05eurn)

[oyarde]

They want to fully deploy, have a surge, re-occupy Iraq, set up another puppet one-Iraq government, and spend another $4,000,000,000,000.00 and ten more years supporting and training them to "stand on their own".

Good Lord , that is what I think too . Now where is the wisdom in that ?

[GunnyFreedom]

Good Lord , that is what I think too . Now where is the wisdom in that ?

Nobody sees wisdom in that, except for the people invested in the companies who will make a killing from all the killing.

[JK/SEA]

Nobody sees wisdom in that, except for the people invested in the companies who will make a killing from all the killing.

thread winner.

[Acala]

Nobody sees wisdom in that, except for the people invested in the companies who will make a killing from all the killing.

Ron Paul was correct when he said it will only stop when the government runs out of monetary tricks to finance it. And I might add that when that day arrives it will not be pretty.

[JustinTime]

Well with ISIS chopping heads off and the media splashing it all over the place I guess its predictable, but I wonder if the average American gives any thought to how we got to this sorry and chaotic state in Iraq.

[tangent4ronpaul]

There was a reporter doing a report from on the ground who make a really important comment as an afterthought last night.

She said there are a lot of ISIS people wandering around with their guns but not firing them, though there was shooting going on. They didn't have any ammo...

-t

[tod evans]

Proving once again how powerful a weapon the Tee-Vee is......