UK's police state takes a giant step forward.

[Anti Federalist]

David Cameron outlines new anti-terror measures to MPs

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29008316

1 Sept. 2014

Among measures announced:

Legislation will be drawn up to give the police new statutory powers to confiscate the passports of suspect terrorists at UK borders

The UK will challenge any attempt by the courts to water down these powers

Plans to block suspected British terrorists from returning to the UK will be drawn up on a "cross-party basis"

Terrorism prevention and investigation measures (Tpims) will be extended, to include the power to relocate suspects

Terrorists will be required to undergo de-radicalisation programmes

Airlines will be forced to hand over more information about passengers travelling to and from conflict zones.

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David Cameron: "Passports are not an automatic right"

[heavenlyboy34]

I predict the Stupid Right applauding this and demanding it or something even more terrifying come here. :(

[TheTexan]

Terrorists will be required to undergo de-radicalisation programmes

I'm not quite sure how you de-terrorist someone but I'm interested in seeing how that plays out.

If this strategy is successful, it could even be used as a model for programs to combat domestic extremists in the US. We do tend to have quite a bit of that.

[aGameOfThrones]

http://www.8ball.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/700x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/v/_/v_for_vendetta_-_norsefire_-_red_mens_cu.jpg

[pcosmar]

http://www.8ball.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/700x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/v/_/v_for_vendetta_-_norsefire_-_red_mens_cu.jpg


I'm not quite sure how you de-terrorist someone but I'm interested in seeing how that plays out.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_conversion


It is Our will that all the peoples who are ruled by the administration of Our Clemency shall practice that religion which the divine Peter the Apostle transmitted to the Romans....The rest, whom We adjudge demented and insane, shall sustain the infamy of heretical dogmas, their meeting places shall not receive the name of churches, and they shall be smitten first by divine vengeance and secondly by the retribution of Our own initiative"
Codex Theodosianus XVI 1.2

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/2942990080/h68E5480F/

[JK/SEA]

History repeating itself........again.

[HOLLYWOOD]

You don't even have to draw up new caricatures

http://mossiso.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/US-Imperialism.jpg

[kahless]

It certainly makes sense for the UK/US to deny citizens return that have declared their allegiance to groups like ISIS and to deny the return of jihadists coming back from conflict zones. Of course one would have to see the text of the legislation first to ensure it is limited specifically to those groups.

I assuming people here are taking words of context or being blinded by their hatred of government and rightful distrust that such laws would not be wrongfully applied to all citizens?



Miliband said a "mandatory and comprehensive programme of de-radicalisation" was needed "not just for those who will be under Tpims but those who have been on the fringes of extremism in Iraq and Syria".

If a British citizen pledges their allegiance to ISIS, is making terror threats and are already here then what is the solution? Where do you send them? Do you really want to allow them to roam the streets and execute another British soldier on the streets of London again or something worse?

[pcosmar]

Do you really want to allow them to roam the streets and execute another British soldier on the streets of London again or something worse?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtQgjyaJqkI

The Police State.

http://criminologycareers.about.com/od/Criminology_Basics/a/The-History-Of-Modern-Policing.htm

Perhaps the most powerful advocate for a professional police force was Sir Robert Peel, a Minister of Parliament who served as Home Secretary for the United Kingdom in the 1820's. In 1829, Peel established the Metropolitan Police Services in London. With the founding of London's police force, Peel became widely regarded by criminologists and historians alike as the father of modern policing.

Our Founders would be very disappointed..

just like Fabian Socialism,, this shit will infect these shores.

[kahless]

The Police State.

http://criminologycareers.about.com/od/Criminology_Basics/a/The-History-Of-Modern-Policing.htm


Our Founders would be very disappointed..

just like Fabian Socialism,, this shit will infect these shores.

I believe there can be a distinction between citizens and those acting on behalf of a foreign power in war.

btw - singling out my quote like that gives it a whole new meaning. The full quote puts that question in it's rightful context to those slamming de-radicalization. I do not know if that is the right solution to the problem but know they are in a difficult spot since what else do you do with citizens that have pledged their allegiance to a foreign power and are making terror threats.

[DP714]

Is this their version of our famous NDAA provision(s)?

[PaulConventionWV]

It certainly makes sense for the UK/US to deny citizens return that have declared their allegiance to groups like ISIS and to deny the return of jihadists coming back from conflict zones. Of course one would have to see the text of the legislation first to ensure it is limited specifically to those groups.

I assuming people here are taking words of context or being blinded by their hatred of government and rightful distrust that such laws would not be wrongfully applied to all citizens?



If a British citizen pledges their allegiance to ISIS, is making terror threats and are already here then what is the solution? Where do you send them? Do you really want to allow them to roam the streets and execute another British soldier on the streets of London again or something worse?

You tell me. Am I being blinded by my rightful distrust that such laws would not be wrongfully applied to all citizens? Something about that sentence does not compute.

[kahless]

You tell me. Am I being blinded by my rightful distrust that such laws would not be wrongfully applied to all citizens? Something about that sentence does not compute.

The distrust is legitimate but how far do you want to take it since I believe some measures are needed. What is unreasonable about denying citizens to return that have declared their allegiance to groups like ISIS and/or returning jihadists coming back from conflict zones?

[Dianne]

lol at the limp d's UK ... didn't someone post here a few days ago that the UK in wealth would place behind Mississipi and Louisiana if they were a U.S. terrority. LMAO at the UK ...

[pcosmar]

I believe there can be a distinction between citizens and those acting on behalf of a foreign power in war.

btw - singling out my quote like that gives it a whole new meaning. The full quote puts that question in it's rightful context to those slamming de-radicalization. I do not know if that is the right solution to the problem but know they are in a difficult spot since what else do you do with citizens that have pledged their allegiance to a foreign power and are making terror threats.

I have no doubt in my mind that these "UK Radicals" are nothing less than agents of the state in the first place.
The Rothschild Empire OWNS the UK,,, they have since 1815.

They have been a driving force in Mid East troubles and wars. From the push to create Israel,, To the Assault on Iran in 1953.

You really have it ignore a lot of shit to believe that these events are unrelated.
Including the Royal Family connections to the House of Saud.

[Anti Federalist]

Bump for a story I'm about to post