Video Shows Man Gunned Down by Cops in OH Walmart Was Leaning on Air Rifle,Not Holding It

[SeanTX]

The cctv video shows he was leaning on the air rifle, not holding it, not pointing it. Leaning on it "like it was a cane." Of course, leaning on an actual cane could get you shot by police also, so that's hardly a defense anymore.

Yet another summary execution by police. They got yet another exaggerated 911 call from some ninny and came ready to take out a bad guy. Maybe the grand jury will do the right thing and indict the killers (yeah, right).

Another interesting point I saw on another board, open-carry activists have been known to carry *real* AR-15s into department stores, and none have been gunned down (yet) -- so just simply having your hand on a rifle isn't just cause to be summarily executed (though I'm sure some of those open-carry guys would say this guy deserved it , for some reason or another).

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/26/video-shows-police-shot-ohio-man-on-sight-as-he-leaned-on-toy-gun-in-walmart-attorney-says/


Video shows police shot Ohio man ‘on sight’ as he leaned on toy gun in Walmart, attorney says
By Travis Gettys
Tuesday, August 26, 2014 14:55 EDT


Surveillance video shows an Ohio man talking on a cell phone, leaning on a toy gun, and facing away from officers moments before police shot and killed him in a Walmart store, according to an attorney for the man’s family.

John Crawford III died Aug. 5 after police were called to Walmart in Beavercreek, near Dayton, by another shopper who reported a man carrying what appeared to be an AR-15 rifle.

The 22-year-old Crawford was instead carrying an unpackaged MK-177 (.177 caliber) BB/pellet rifle he picked up in the store’s toy department.

Police claim Crawford ignored their commands to drop the weapon, and the former Marine who called in the report and witnessed the shooting said Crawford “looked like he was going to go violently.”

But attorney Michael Wright said surveillance video from the incident, which Ohio’s attorney general allowed him to watch with Crawford’s family, contradicted those accounts.

“John was doing nothing wrong in Walmart, nothing more, nothing less than shopping,” Wright said.

The attorney said surveillance video showed Crawford facing away from officers, talking on the phone, and leaning on the pellet gun like a cane when he was “shot on sight” in a “militaristic” response by police.

Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine announced Tuesday handed the case over to a special prosecutor to present to a grand jury Sept. 22.

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Wright said the family objected to the piecemeal release of evidence, such as dispatch audio and video on the day of the shooting, was biased toward the police.

“Everything released is one-sided,” Wright said. “There is nothing favorable to John Crawford. You can’t show different pieces, show it all, don’t trickle pieces to gain favor of the public.”

He said the video suggests Crawford probably did not see or hear officers as they arrived.

Crawford was speaking by cell phone to his girlfriend, who was with his parents, when he was shot.

“He said he was at the video games playing videos, and he went over there by the toy section where the toy guns were,” said LeeCee Johnson, the mother of his two children. “The next thing I know, he said, ‘It’s not real,’ and the police start shooting, and they said ‘Get on the ground,’ but he was already on the ground because they had shot him.”

Johnson put the phone on speaker mode, and she and Crawford’s parents heard him die.

“I could hear him just crying and screaming,” Johnson said. “I feel like they shot him down like he was not even human.”

A 37-year-old woman at the store suffered an unspecified medical emergency after the shooting and died a short time later.

Sgt. David Darkow, one of the officers involved in the shooting, has already been allowed to resume his duties.

The other officer, Sean Williams, remains on administrative leave.

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[aGameOfThrones]

So cops killed 2? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?457442-Man-shot-dead-by-police-in-Walmart-after-he-picked-up-a-toy-gun)


..

[SeanTX]

Nah, I'm sure the "medical condition" that caused the woman to die had absolutely nothing to do with hearing shots fired, and cops screaming "get out of the store!". Just a bizarre coincidence.

Kind of like how people die of complications from an enlarged heart after being hit in the head a dozen times with a nightstick. Tragic, but not the cop's fault.

[tangent4ronpaul]

carrying an unpackaged MK-177 (.177 caliber) BB/pellet...

are they usually packaged...

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

ooooohhhh! it's branded as a "tactical" air rifle and it's black!

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Crosman-MK-177-Tactical-Air-Rifle-Black/27254978


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMYQDqNajkw

sweet little pellet/BB gun - yes multi-ammo!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSmkt0o31EM

-t

[orenbus]

Here is a video interview starts at 3:27 where the events of the Walmart surveillance video is described by Crawfords father and attorney who was able to watch it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7vWDHqMJDg

[XNavyNuke]

http://www.whio.com/news/news/crime-law/ag-defends-not-releasing-video-walmart-shooting/nhCGy/


. It would be "playing with dynamite" to release the Walmart surveillance video of Beavercreek police shooting and killing John Crawford III because it may hinder prosecution of any defendants, Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine said.

In an exclusive interview with the newspaper, DeWine said Friday that releasing the video of the Aug. 5 police-involved shooting would allow a defense attorney to argue about a tainted jury pool.

Since the defendants in this case are the cops and they're talking about a jury pool, I think it's safe to infer the contents of the store video. If it were video of the same guy robbing a minimart do you think the cops would be sitting on the video or would it be all over the evening news? Farmer Mike gives special treatment to his sheepdog.

XNN

[kcchiefs6465]

are they usually packaged...

-t
They are in a box and usually wrapped with a security device.

They are also not in the toy department but the sporting goods department with the other air rifles.

They look comparable to a SCAR but are all plastic.

[kcchiefs6465]

This is the air rifle and box. The box is the same size and dimension as the air rifle.

http://i.imgur.com/K2kqWtA.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/MdHgxT3.jpg?1

This would be the device used on it.

http://i.imgur.com/NHG9fA2.jpg?1

You couldn't get the air rifle out of the box if it was on it.

Video should be released. (of course, and regardless)

[orenbus]

Maybe he bought or was going to buy the floor model (no box) or a returned/refurbished item.

[kcchiefs6465]

Maybe he bought or was going to buy the floor model (no box) or a returned/refurbished item.
They're all in the box. No floor model.

Could have been a returned item if he was the one coming in to return it (absent a box).

I think they would have mentioned had he walked in the store with it and as well the family probably would have mentioned that he had one. The way the news cannot (from police reports, probably) establish that the air rifle, which will kill birds and possibly a person, (I suppose), was not in the toys section is troublesome.

The video would certainly confirm or deny theories on the incident. It would not surprise me if he was shot holding a box.

It's a very realistic looking box.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Maybe he bought or was going to buy the floor model (no box) or a returned/refurbished item.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking...

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

The video would certainly confirm or deny theories on the incident. It would not surprise me if he was shot holding a box.

It's a very realistic looking box.

That they are not releasing it SCREAMS he was shot and killed for holding a box...

-t

[Origanalist]

Police claim Crawford ignored their commands to drop the weapon, and the former Marine who called in the report and witnessed the shooting said Crawford “looked like he was going to go violently.”

This whole thing stinks to high heaven. So the Marine couldn't tell it was a air rifle and panicked? Really?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

It would be "playing with dynamite" to release the Walmart surveillance video of Beavercreek police shooting and killing John Crawford III because it may hinder prosecution of any defendants, Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine said.

Uh, that would be a negative mush mouth. The jury would see the video during a trial. Guess we can't have them influenced by all those pointed Youtube comments.

[devil21]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking...

-t

Doesn't matter if it was packaged or not. If he didn't threaten anyone with the air rifle then it matters none whether the air rifle was in a box or not. Open carry is legal in Ohio and Walmart doesn't prohibit it. This man was shot down in cold blood.

[squarepusher]

Doesn't matter if it was packaged or not. If he didn't threaten anyone with the air rifle then it matters none whether the air rifle was in a box or not. Open carry is legal in Ohio and Walmart doesn't prohibit it. This man was shot down in cold blood.

but the officers feared for their lives, which is the most important thing

[SeanTX]

Pics of people carrying *real* rifles in stores -- better gun 'em all down !

http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2711.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/535775_384343125001058_1418678438_n.jpg

[limequat]

Nice AK ^
I wonder what stock that is?

[SeanTX]

Hundreds of people showed up at a rally at that Walmart yesterday -- it's just too bad that idiot Al Sharpton is getting involved. A rally to support the police will be held today ... :rolleyes:

http://www.whio.com/news/news/john-crawford-supporters-rally-beavercreek/nhCcJ/


pdated: 5:28 p.m. Saturday, Aug. 30, 2014 | Posted: 1:23 p.m. Saturday, Aug. 30, 2014
Protestors: Al Sharpton to be in Beavercreek

BEAVERCREEK —

UPDATE @5:27 p.m.: Several hundred people showed up at a rally today at the Walmart in Beavercreek in support of the release of surveillance video that shows the shooting of John Crawford III.

The Fairfield man died after being shot by Beavercreek Police after a Riverside man called 911 to report that Crawford was in the store with a gun.

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Those at the rally were calling for Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine to release the store's surveillance footage to the public.

Several speakers at the rally accused DeWine of reneging on releasing the footage to the public.

Derrick Foward, president of the Dayton Unit NAACP, told the crowd that DeWine had told him in a meeting that he would release the video, but then went back on his word.

snip

He said the case is scheduled to be heard Sept. 22 by a Greene County grand jury.

UPDATE @ 2 p.m.: Protestors announced to the crowd that civil rights activist Al Sharpton will be in the Beavercreek area on Sept. 18.

snip

A rally supporting Beavercreek police is set to happen on Sunday.

[otherone]

A rally to support the police will be held today ... :rolleyes:


http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2012/11/07/zombie_mob.jpg

[Carson]

Every time this story rolls by I can't help but wonder if someone was staked out waiting for someone to pick up a toy gun.

That's pretty sick, I know, but I can't help but wonder.

[Anti Federalist]

“He said he was at the video games playing videos, and he went over there by the toy section where the toy guns were,” said LeeCee Johnson, the mother of his two children. “The next thing I know, he said, ‘It’s not real,’ and the police start shooting, and they said ‘Get on the ground,’ but he was already on the ground because they had shot him.”

“He said he was at the video games playing videos, and he went over there by the toy section where the toy guns were,” said LeeCee Johnson, the mother of his two children. “The next thing I know, he said, ‘It’s not real,’ and the police start shooting, and they said ‘Get on the ground,’ but he was already on the ground because they had shot him.”

“He said he was at the video games playing videos, and he went over there by the toy section where the toy guns were,” said LeeCee Johnson, the mother of his two children. “The next thing I know, he said, ‘It’s not real,’ and the police start shooting, and they said ‘Get on the ground,’ but he was already on the ground because they had shot him.”

[Anti Federalist]

Amped up cops, hut hutting about, charge into a situation they know nothing about, cause a panic, which gets one person killed in the stampede, then gun down the next person before he can even get a word out of his mouth.

Just another day in AmeriKa.

[libertyjam]

Surveillance Footage Released Shows Cold Blooded Killing of Unarmed Man by Off Duty Chicago Cop

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cold-blooded-killing-unarmed-man-duty-chicago-cop-caught-tape/

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Chicago – The brutal killing of an unarmed Chicago man outside a west side CHA housing project on September 7, 2013 by an off duty Chicago police officer, Kenneth Walker, has sparked outrage as recently released surveillance video contradicts virtually everything officer Walker, who shot and killed Marlon Horton, claimed happened prior to the shooting.

Horton had gone to the complex to meet his girlfriend Rhonda Day in the early morning hours Saturday morning. Day had spent the night at her mother’s apartment in the building.

When Horton arrived the security guards wouldn’t allow him to enter, one of which was the off duty cop that eventually killed him. Horton’s cell phone had died so he was not able to call Day to let him into the building.

Horton left the lobby and urinated on or near Walker’s SUV. At this point the female security guard says to Walker, “He is not f**king pissing,” and both Walker and the female security guard then exit the building to confront Horton.

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The officer and security guard make absolutely no attempt to arrest Horton, in fact judging by the video the only intention for going outside was to confront/assault him. Never once do they have cuffs out or is any attempt made to subdue.

The officers clearly aren’t in fear of their lives or concerned that the public is in imminent danger, as the video clearly shows people coming and going from the building as they are engaging Horton.

Officer Walker, during the investigation of the killing, prior to being aware that video of the incident existed, claimed that he and the security guard never initiated any physical contact with Horton, and in fact claimed that Horton knocked him to the ground and overpowered him when he attempted to take him into custody and began to pummel him with punches.

Clearly this is blatant fabrication used as a means to justify shooting Horton. In fact, what can clearly be seen happening in the video is in stark contrast to officer Walker’s version of events.

Walker never attempts to take Horton into custody, his cuffs never come out, and the only physical contact was actually officer Walker kicking Horton in the chest. There are no attempts to take anyone into custody. The only time Horton gets physical is to defend himself after he is assaulted by these two jackboot thugs.

Walker was simply angry that Horton urinated on his vehicle and decided he was going to assault him as a means of revenge, not realizing the entire incident was being caught on camera. These actions are completely unprofessional, but add in the fact that he subsequently draws his firearm on an unarmed man and proceeds to shoot and kill him makes one question the mental health of this officer.

He is clearly not fit to be a law enforcement officer. No procedure was followed, as you don’t draw your weapon without an intention of potentially using it, yet both the security guard and Walker have their weapons drawn without any justification. You can clearly see that there was no threat of deadly force being used against them causing them to fear for their lives.

[libertyjam]

Man Dies After Cops Use Tasers as Cattle Prods 13 Times, Forcing Him To Walk

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/man-dies-taser-13-times-cattle-prod/

The autopsy ruled the death a homicide.

East Point Police Department in Georgia has a very clear policy against tasers being used to “escort or prod” suspects or being used on handcuffed suspects, and this case is a very clear example of why.

A lawsuit has been filed on behalf of the family, including the 7 month old son, of 24 year old Gregory Towns, who died after being tased 13 times in 29 minutes. Two officers repeatedly shocked this man’s body for a total of 47 seconds… while unarmed and handcuffed.

[Mani]

Surveillance Footage Released Shows Cold Blooded Killing of Unarmed Man by Off Duty Chicago Cop

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cold-blooded-killing-unarmed-man-duty-chicago-cop-caught-tape/

Search did not turn up a match to this story.

Chicago – The brutal killing of an unarmed Chicago man outside a west side CHA housing project on September 7, 2013 by an off duty Chicago police officer, Kenneth Walker, has sparked outrage as recently released surveillance video contradicts virtually everything officer Walker, who shot and killed Marlon Horton, claimed happened prior to the shooting.

Horton had gone to the complex to meet his girlfriend Rhonda Day in the early morning hours Saturday morning. Day had spent the night at her mother’s apartment in the building.

When Horton arrived the security guards wouldn’t allow him to enter, one of which was the off duty cop that eventually killed him. Horton’s cell phone had died so he was not able to call Day to let him into the building.

Horton left the lobby and urinated on or near Walker’s SUV. At this point the female security guard says to Walker, “He is not f**king pissing,” and both Walker and the female security guard then exit the building to confront Horton.

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The officer and security guard make absolutely no attempt to arrest Horton, in fact judging by the video the only intention for going outside was to confront/assault him. Never once do they have cuffs out or is any attempt made to subdue.

The officers clearly aren’t in fear of their lives or concerned that the public is in imminent danger, as the video clearly shows people coming and going from the building as they are engaging Horton.

Officer Walker, during the investigation of the killing, prior to being aware that video of the incident existed, claimed that he and the security guard never initiated any physical contact with Horton, and in fact claimed that Horton knocked him to the ground and overpowered him when he attempted to take him into custody and began to pummel him with punches.

Clearly this is blatant fabrication used as a means to justify shooting Horton. In fact, what can clearly be seen happening in the video is in stark contrast to officer Walker’s version of events.

Walker never attempts to take Horton into custody, his cuffs never come out, and the only physical contact was actually officer Walker kicking Horton in the chest. There are no attempts to take anyone into custody. The only time Horton gets physical is to defend himself after he is assaulted by these two jackboot thugs.

Walker was simply angry that Horton urinated on his vehicle and decided he was going to assault him as a means of revenge, not realizing the entire incident was being caught on camera. These actions are completely unprofessional, but add in the fact that he subsequently draws his firearm on an unarmed man and proceeds to shoot and kill him makes one question the mental health of this officer.

He is clearly not fit to be a law enforcement officer. No procedure was followed, as you don’t draw your weapon without an intention of potentially using it, yet both the security guard and Walker have their weapons drawn without any justification. You can clearly see that there was no threat of deadly force being used against them causing them to fear for their lives.


Well well...Piss on a cops car...and it will be the last thing you ever do...



Oh yes...He "LUNGED" for the officer's weapon...FIVE FEET AWAY! "Because you know them n**** got real long arms and can jump real far...so it was justified." What a crock of shit of officer safety. "Kill a mundane...Then time to go for coffee...I love the smell of dead mundane in the morning..." Psychopaths.



http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/26378492/family-of-unarmed-man-fatally-shot-by-chicago-police-seeks-justice

CHICAGO (FOX 32 News) -

The shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri has prompted calls for more police to start wearing cameras that would record their behavior.

Now, FOX 32 News has the story of a fatal shooting of an unarmed man that was caught on video in Chicago. However, the victim's family said they're still seeking justice.

Video from a surveillance camera in the lobby of a CHA building on the near West Side shows 28-year-old Marlon Horton in a baseball cap, the brother of Jarrod Horton.

“He was my younger brother, he was a good guy, like any younger brother,” Jarrod said.

Marlon was at the CHA building to pick up his girlfriend, but his cellphone had died. Security guards would not let him upstairs, and one of those guards was an off-duty Chicago Police Officer.

Marlon eventually leaves and then urinates on or near the officer's SUV. He then exchanges words with the two guards, until the off duty-cop appears to initiate a scuffle. As Marlon escapes, he appears to pull out some of the female guard's hair.

Both guards then pull out their weapons.

The verbal exchanges continue, and as Horton is moving toward the off-duty officer, the officer shoots him. Jarrod Horton's civil rights lawsuit alleges the shooting was not justified. It identifies the off-duty cop as Kenneth F. Walker.

“It's hard to see them in a situation where he didn't have to die, you know? I felt like they just murdered him,” Jarrod said.

Last year after the shooting, a police spokesperson said the officer shot, quote, "in fear for his safety." Police reports suggest Marlon lunged for the officer's weapon. The Horton's family attorney, Jeffrey Granich, said the video suggests otherwise.

“Despite the fact that the police say he was going for a weapon, he's five feet away from a police officer who basically executes him,” Granich said.

Granich said the guards could have backed off and called for help, or if necessary, subdue Marlon without using their weapons.

Marlon's lawyer also claims that the conduct of the two security guards after the shooting on West Monroe was just as shocking at the shooting itself.

“I believe what the video shows is a complete disregard for his safety, his well-being, and ultimately his life,” Granich added.

After the shooting, the video shows Officer Walker walking back into the building. Police reports said both guards called 911. Marlon can be seen still moving in the video, but neither guard appears to offer any assistance.

“She picks up her morning coffee as my client is dying at her feet. She doesn't attempt to stop the bleeding, she doesn't attempt to provide first aid, she makes sure she gets her coffee,” Granich said.

The security company did not respond to FOX 32's questions. Our efforts to reach the two guards themselves on Tuesday were unsuccessful.

So, did either of them have an obligation to help Marlon once he was shot?

“Under the law they really have no duty to rescue the person. They called 911, they stepped back, they stayed on scene, they waited for Chicago fire department to arrive, and that's what they're supposed to do,” said veteran defense attorney Joe Lopez. (Wait!?! What!?!? But...but.....but...there job is to protect and serve? I don't understand...They don't have to rescue people??? But....but...they are HEROES!!!)


Law professor Richard Kling, also a defense attorney, disagrees.

“I would think they have an obligation to at least comfort the individual and keep the individual comforted until medical assistance comes and does what they're supposed to do. Police take an oath to serve and protect, and I think serving and protecting is more than just calling 911,” Kling said.

In two weeks, it'll be one year since Marlon Horton was killed. His family is planning a vigil on September 6.

The Independent Police Review Authority's investigation into the shooting is not yet complete. A CHA spokesperson would not comment on the shooting, and a Chicago police spokesman told FOX 32 the department takes the issue of office-involved shootings seriously, but cannot comment due to the ongoing IPRA investigation.

[otherone]

He is clearly not fit to be a law enforcement officer. No procedure was followed, as you don’t draw your weapon without an intention of potentially using it

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2013/10/26/97/fc/37520d3e0c6144ef965a9bb636512239-30b876d5219e4cfabf7e9ba7f1ad1338-6.jpg

Must not have gotten the memo.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Good job by the government, again... turning the people upon each other. That's how the ruling and deadly force class work in the nuevo JUST-US system.

This all returns to the Marxist Nazis, with both their propaganda and brainwashing fear into people. Well, I guess the only consolation prize is to file lawsuits against, the PD, WALMARX, and the that dumbass ex-psyco-jarhead.

Always remember where this shit started:


http://steynian.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/jp3.jpg
http://www.tahlequahschools.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Safety-Logo_670x292.jpg

[thoughtomator]

A 37-year-old woman at the store suffered an unspecified medical emergency after the shooting and died a short time later.


Um... begs the question, did she get shot by cops unloading on the other victim? 37-year-olds generally don't just die on the spot like that.

[jjdoyle]

Um... begs the question, did she get shot by cops unloading on the other victim? 37-year-olds generally don't just die on the spot like that.

I think from original reports, she had a heart attack from the events that happened? I'll go see if I can find it.

[Anti Federalist]

Father Hears Son Dying in Ohio Wal-Mart Shooting

CINCINNATI — Sep 7, 2014, 4:41 PM ET

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/father-hears-son-dying-ohio-wal-mart-shooting-25333238

Associated Press

The father of a man fatally shot by police at an Ohio Wal-Mart says a cellphone call in which he said he heard his son's dying breaths keeps replaying in his head.

John Crawford Jr. talked about that last day of son's life to The Cincinnati Enquirer (http://cin.ci/1rQ47PO) in a telephone interview from his home in Jackson, Tennessee. His son, John Crawford III, was shot Aug. 5 in a Wal-Mart in the Dayton suburb of Beavercreek. A 911 caller told police that Crawford III was waving a weapon that turned out to be an air rifle.

Officers have said Crawford III was shot when he didn't respond to orders to put the gun down. The Crawford family and their attorney have said that a section of store surveillance video they saw shows Crawford III holding the air rifle and talking on his cellphone.

The family has requested public release of the store video. But Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine has refused to release it while the investigation is continuing.

Crawford Jr. said he was in Ohio the day of the shooting and had stopped by to see his son, who wasn't at his Fairfield home. The mother of his son's two young children was there talking on her cellphone to Crawford III, who was at the Wal-Mart shopping, according to Crawford Jr. He said she began screaming when she heard shots and put the call on speaker.

"You could hear in the background he was gasping," Crawford Jr. told the newspaper. "I'm virtually listening to my kid taking his last breath."

Assistant Hamilton County Prosecutor Mark Piepmeier is now overseeing the investigation as special prosecutor. Piepmeier is scheduled to present evidence in the case to a Greene County grand jury this month. Jurors will determine if anyone should be charged in the shooting.

But the parents of Crawford III and their attorney have asked the U.S. Attorney's Office to take over the investigation and determine if there were any civil rights violations.

"We do believe there was a violation of his civil rights and that does have to do with race," family attorney Michael Wright said.

Federal authorities have said they are monitoring the situation.

Crawford Jr. described his son as a typical 22-year-old who was laid back and very family oriented. He had once considered going into the military and had recently said he wanted to start college, his father said.

"He was figuring out his next step," Crawford Jr. said.

The final autopsy report has not been completed, and Crawford Jr. said he has not been told which of the two officers involved shot his son.

[phill4paul]

Doubts cast on witness's account of black man killed by police in Walmart

When Ronald Ritchie called 911 from the aisles of a Walmart in western Ohio last month to report that a black man was “walking around with a gun in the store”, he said that shoppers were coming under direct threat.

“He’s, like, pointing it at people,” Ritchie told the dispatcher. Later that evening, after John Crawford III had been shot dead by one of the police officers who hurried to the scene in Beavercreek, Ritchie repeated to reporters: “He was pointing at people. Children walking by.”

One month later, Ritchie puts it differently. “At no point did he shoulder the rifle and point it at somebody,” the 24-year-old said, in an interview with the Guardian. He maintained that Crawford was “waving it around”, which attorneys for Crawford’s family deny.

Ritchie told several reporters after the 5 August shooting that he was an “ex-marine”. When confronted with his seven-week service record, however, he confirmed that he had been quickly thrown out of the US marine corps in 2008 after being declared a “fraudulent enlistment”, over what he maintains was simply a mixup over his paperwork.

Crawford, 22, turned out to be holding an unloaded BB air rifle that he had picked up from a store shelf. After Ritchie said Crawford appeared to be “trying to load” the gun, the 911 dispatcher relayed to an officer that it was believed the gunman “just put some bullets inside”.

The Crawfords’ attorneys told the Guardian that they had learned the preliminary findings of an autopsy were that he was shot in the back of his left arm and in his left side, supporting their claim that he was turned away from the police officer who shot him.

They have pleaded with Mike DeWine, Ohio’s attorney general, to release the store’s surveillance footage of the shooting to the public. Having viewed it, they say that it disproves Ritchie’s version of what led to the deaths of both Crawford and a 37-year-old woman who collapsed and died in the ensuing panic.

“It was an execution, no doubt about it,” alleged Crawford’s father, John Crawford II. “It was flat-out murder. And when you see the footage, it will illustrate that.”

DeWine has said that releasing the footage would be “playing with dynamite” and prevent any trial from being fair. He has assigned a special prosecutor from the neighbouring Hamilton County to handle the case. A grand jury will begin hearing evidence on it later this month. A Beavercreek police spokesman said in a statement: “Preliminary indications are that the officers acted appropriately under the circumstances.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/07/ohio-black-man-killed-by-police-walmart-doubts-cast-witnesss-account

Makes it sound like he was SWATted.

[libertyvidz]

Rhetorical question. Why is this black man being shot by the cops not as important as the "gentle giant" in Fergason Missouri?

[aGameOfThrones]

Ronald Ritchie is more responsible for the murder than the cops, but the cops got to pay too.

[Anti Federalist]

Ronald Ritchie is more responsible for the murder than the cops, but the cops got to pay too.

This.

If there was any justice to be had, he would be arrested and prosecuted.

[XNavyNuke]

Update: Grand Jury fails to indict.

http://m.wlwt.com/news/justice-dept-to-investigate-police-shooting-of-fairfield-man/28220038


. A special grand jury met for two days and heard testimony from 18 witnesses before coming to a decision Wednesday morning.

Special prosecutor Mark Piepmeier said at least seven of the nine grand jurors had to vote for one of three possible charges for the officers to be indicted: murder, reckless homicide or negligent homicide. But that did not happen.

XNN

[aGameOfThrones]

Update: Grand Jury fails to indict.

http://m.wlwt.com/news/justice-dept-to-investigate-police-shooting-of-fairfield-man/28220038



XNN


was about to post the good job the grand jury did regarding the heroic actions of the heroes in blue. they deserve a thank you police day.

[phill4paul]

Update: Grand Jury fails to indict.

http://m.wlwt.com/news/justice-dept-to-investigate-police-shooting-of-fairfield-man/28220038



XNN

Damnable copsuckers....everyone of the jurors.


The video shows Crawford turned toward a shelf, still on the phone with the air rifle in his right hand pointing toward the ground, as the officers come from his left. After two shots were fired, Crawford appears to stumble, then fall to the ground as the officers rush toward him.

This ^^^ means there was NO justification. None. He was not threat.

But..wait....


"He didn't commit a crime. He did nothing wrong," Piepmeier said. "At the same time, the police officers have to be judged on everything they had."

No crime. Nothing wrong. Yet, still his shooting is deemed appropriate and the copsuckers,well, suck cops dicks.

At least we know that the officers will live their lives in a personal hell....


"All I can say about this case is that it's a tragedy," Piepmeier said. "It's a tragedy for the Crawford family ... and it's also a tragedy for the police officers, who have to live the rest of their lives knowing that, even though they had a justified use of force, they took the life of someone that didn't need to die."

so, I guess there is that....:mad:

[fisharmor]

I just heard a long piece on National Proletariat Radio about this. Aside from the inevitable tying in to Trayvon, it did a pretty good job pointing out how corrupt this all is.
They made quite a point out of the fact that the Wal-Mart surveillance video was intentionally not released until after the grand jury ruled, specifically so that public sentiment wouldn't drive their decision.

Of course the piece also drove home the idea that cops are always going to get exonerated as long as they thought they were doing the right thing (or at least say so), but it was done, IMO, in a way that left the listener open to questioning that policy.

In any case, it would appear that the media has shifted focus away from the "crazy white guy shoots up a school" stories, and on to the "crazy white guy shoots up a black dude who wasn't doing anything" stories. It's reinforcing the idea with me that the media, at least most of it, really doesn't have an agenda besides "put people irrationally shooting things on the news", and I'm glad it's working more in liberty's favor now.

[phill4paul]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9FtNOV6Qhk#t=91

[ClydeCoulter]

On the video, looks like the kid didn't even have the bb gun at the time he was shot. The police are at the extreme end of the isle when he drops it and hits the ground, then gets back up and gets shot?

[tod evans]

1:28 in the video looks like he was swinging the BB gun back-n-forth muzzle pointed down when he took the first round...He drops the BB gun and appears to limp/stagger around the end of the isle..

[specsaregood]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9FtNOV6Qhk#t=91

sickening

[ChristianAnarchist]

I'm so glad the officers didn't get hurt !!!

[enhanced_deficit]

I'm so glad the officers didn't get hurt !!!

Video: SC trooper charged with felony in shooting of unarmed black man after traffic stop (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?460416-Video-SC-trooper-charged-with-felony-in-shooting-of-unarmed-black-man-after-traffic-stop&)

[aGameOfThrones]

next time I see kids playing with toy guns I will call the cops and tell them that 2 active shooters are shooting each other with invisible bullets

[Anti Federalist]

And I'm supposed to hate Eric Frein, why again, exactly?

[Influenza]

So they shot him from ~50 ft away and as that wasn't enough they finished him off at point blank range?

http://www.twowheelforum.com/images/smilies/hang.gifGet a rope!

[SeanTX]

next time I see kids playing with toy guns I will call the cops and tell them that 2 active shooters are shooting each other with invisible bullets

Somebody beat ya to it ...

http://www.wwltv.com/story/news/local/lafourche-terrebonne/2014/09/24/sheriff-fatal-shooting-of-14-year-old-freak-accident/16186877/

Sheriff: Fatal shooting of 14-year-old 'freak accident'
Xerxes Wilson / Houma Courier 8:52 a.m. CDT September 25, 2014

HOUMA, La. -- Only the handful of terrified teenagers and the Terrebonne Parish sheriff's deputy in the Village East home when Cameron Tillman died can say exactly what happened Tuesday evening, and their stories do not match.

The 14-year-old Tillman was killed by four shots fired by the deputy just before 6 p.m. Tuesday.

On Wednesday, Sheriff Jerry Larpenter defended the deputy, saying the still unnamed seven-year veteran of the department "feared for his life" when confronted by what appeared to be a 45-caliber pistol but was actually a BB gun designed to look like a Sig Sauer .45. Family of the three teenagers who made it out of the house alive claim the deputy had a "killer mentality."

Deputies were called to the ramshackle two-bedroom brick home on Kirkglen Loop east of Houma by a neighbor's report of five or six men "brandishing guns" as they entered the vacant house, Larpenter said.

Within minutes, two deputies parked three houses down from the home. One of the lawmen remained outside, Larpenter said. The other entered the open garage, its plywood walls decorated with the scribbling of the teens who had made the house a regular afternoon hangout since the last tenant left about two years ago.

What happened as the deputy neared the door leading into the home is disputed by the deputy and families involved.

"He knocked on the door and said 'Sheriff's Office, come out.' A very short time after, Tillman threw the door open brandishing that gun toward the officer. The officer feared for his life, and, unfortunately, the individual was shot four times," Larpenter claims. "He (Tillman) turned that gun toward the deputy, and that deputy had to shoot or assume he would be shot."

Family members of the other teens in the house said their children claim Tillman wasn't holding the BB gun when he answered the door. They also dispute the deputy announcing himself as law enforcement, saying Cameron opened the door expecting a friend.

snip

[aGameOfThrones]

Somebody beat ya to it ...

http://www.wwltv.com/story/news/local/lafourche-terrebonne/2014/09/24/sheriff-fatal-shooting-of-14-year-old-freak-accident/16186877/



"He knocked on the door and said 'Sheriff's Office, come out.' A very short time after, Tillman threw the door open brandishing that gun toward the officer. The officer feared for his life, and, unfortunately, the individual was shot four times," Larpenter claims. "He (Tillman) turned that gun toward the deputy, and that deputy had to shoot or assume he would be shot."

Eric frein doesn't believe you!

[libertyjam]

We could dream that the Ohio case will actually follow the law and actually be charged with murder. ... No, I thought not.

Ohio “Open Carry” Laws Could Spell Murder Charges for Cops who Shot Innocent Man

http://theantimedia.org/ohio-open-carry-laws-could-spell-murder-charges-for-cops-who-shot-innocent-man/


There can be no immunity in this case for the officers because even if he was carrying a gun, which he was not, they didn’t have legal grounds to question him. They were not operating within the law. Police only have immunity when adhering to the law (http://civilrights.findlaw.com/civil-rights-overview/police-misconduct-and-civil-rights.html). This was murder.
This is no different than if I, as a journalist, walked up to you at a public park while you were grilling and told you to put the fork down. You laugh and say “It’s not even sharp,” and then I open fire and kill you. You legally possessed an object, threatened nobody, and were murdered by someone that had no legal reason to even question what you were doing. That’s what happened to Mr. Crawford.


This isn’t an accidental shooting during the course of an investigation. This wasn’t a case of failing to comply with a lawful order. This was murder. It must be charged as such, or Beavercreek’s Police will be seen the same way departments across the country are seen. Departments whose officers face daily threats to life and limb from a public that knows the people with the badges are more of a threat to public safety than any criminal on the streets.

[phill4paul]

http://i.imgur.com/snYFtAN.jpg