Judge decriminalizes polygamy in Utah

[green73]

A judge has ruled that parts of Utah's law banning polygamy are unconstitutional, effectively decriminalizing the practice, in a victory for the family that appears in the reality TV show 'Sister Wives'.

Kody Brown, who stars in the TLC reality show with his four wives, filed a lawsuit against the state after leaving Utah fearing prosecution after the programme aired.

Now a federal judge has issued his final ruling in the case that strikes down parts of the state's anti-polygamy law.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2736287/Final-ruling-issued-against-polygamy-ban.html

[William Tell]

Nice.:cool:

[DevilsAdvocate]

I never really understood polygamy. Do they realize that the ratio of men vs. women in the world is 50/50? If everybody was a polygamist with 4 wives, then 3/4ths of the male population must be single right? Thus it can never catch on to the population at large, it is destined to exist forever in tiny little cultish enclaves.

[presence]

I never really understood polygamy. Do they realize that the ratio of men vs. women in the world is 50/50? If everybody was a polygamist with 4 wives, then 3/4ths of the male population must be single right? Thus it can never catch on to the population at large, it is destined to exist forever in tiny little cultish enclaves.


Re: mormon polygamy...

I think the logic is that 3/4 of the male population shouldn't breed because they lack faith in God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_boys_%28Mormon_fundamentalism%29


But who's to say that polygamy is always one man with many wives... could be one woman with many husbands. One might consider female prostitution a form of matriarchal polygamy.

[tod evans]

One at a time is plenty for my ol' contrary ass....

[brushfire]

Now to get the government completely out of the marriage business.

[Pericles]

One at a time is plenty for my ol' contrary ass....

Likewise, one good one would be enough for me.

[Ender]

Now to get the government completely out of the marriage business.

Exactly.

The gov has no business in marriage or what happens between consenting adults.

[tod evans]

Now to get the government completely out of the marriage business.

Get government out of the welfare business and they're automatically out of the marriage business..

If there are no benefits to squabble over the the issue of marriage falls back to the Church where it belongs......

[Ender]

Re:

But who's to say that polygamy is always one man with many wives... could be one woman with many husbands. One might consider female prostitution a form of matriarchal polygamy.

The word, polygamy means: many marriages- not many wives. ;)

[Ender]

Get government out of the welfare business and they're automatically out of the marriage business..

If there are no benefits to squabble over the the issue of marriage falls back to the Church where it belongs......

Actually, the marriage license originated as a racist ploy. It was to keep inter-racial marriages from happening. If more people understood THAT, I believe there would be a huge outcry.

[Christian Liberty]

Nice.:cool:

While I agree that the legalization is good, polygamy is still immoral;)

[Ender]

While I agree that the legalization is good, polygamy is still immoral;)

I thought you believed in the Bible?

[dannno]

I never really understood polygamy. Do they realize that the ratio of men vs. women in the world is 50/50?

Back when polygamy began with the Mormon church, most of the men had gone off to fight in the Mexican/American War and there were in fact too many single women.

The irony here is that for Utah to become a state, the church had to agree to ban polygamy because it was against federal law or something.

[dannno]

Re: mormon polygamy...

I think the logic is that 3/4 of the male population shouldn't breed because they lack faith in God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_boys_%28Mormon_fundamentalism%29


That doesn't make any sense, does that assume that more women have faith in God or that men with faithful wives should take on more wives with women who are unfaithful?

[presence]

That doesn't make any sense, does that assume that more women have faith in God or that men with faithful wives should take on more wives with women who are unfaithful?

You're in that realm of "great unanswerable questions" my friend. Some would say the word "chattel" comes into the conversation.

[Philhelm]

One at a time is plenty for my ol' contrary ass....

I prefer two at a time. It's exquisite.

[Vanguard101]

I'm moving there. I need 2 wives :)

[HOLLYWOOD]

I always found it odd seeing those pro polygamy billboards driving up and down I-15. We used to joke about them in starting our own harem.

I hear the Kingstons(family tree) are a large polygamist clan that practically owns Davis County, UT.


http://i.ytimg.com/vi/yF1G2xRoUpw/0.jpg

[Ender]

Back when polygamy began with the Mormon church, most of the men had gone off to fight in the Mexican/American War and there were in fact too many single women.

The irony here is that for Utah to become a state, the church had to agree to ban polygamy because it was against federal law or something.

Bingo-

The Mormons are a conquered people that had to do or die.It wasn't just about statehood, it was also that all Mormons, who didn't comply, would be taken to jail.

[John F Kennedy III]

Get government out of the welfare business and they're automatically out of the marriage business..

If there are no benefits to squabble over the the issue of marriage falls back to the Church where it belongs......

The Church doesn't need to have any say either.

[bolil]

Judge gives his opinion on a belief that is none of his damn business anyways, somehow this becomes law. Murica!

[Christian Liberty]

I thought you believed in the Bible?

God's original design for marriage, as explained in Genesis 2:24, only allows for one wife.

Now, to be clear, I have no issue with the decision. Polygamy isn't aggressive and thus shouldn't be illegal. William Tell agrees with you that its not morally wrong, hence my comment.

[PierzStyx]

Back when polygamy began with the Mormon church, most of the men had gone off to fight in the Mexican/American War and there were in fact too many single women.

The irony here is that for Utah to become a state, the church had to agree to ban polygamy because it was against federal law or something.

Republicans actually made up the federal law so they could go after the Mormons.

[PierzStyx]

God's original design for marriage, as explained in Genesis 2:24, only allows for one wife.

Now, to be clear, I have no issue with the decision. Polygamy isn't aggressive and thus shouldn't be illegal. William Tell agrees with you that its not morally wrong, hence my comment.

Genesis 2:24= That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.

It's a stretch to say that God only ever intended man only have one wife from that verse, especially considering God allowed the practice under the Law of Moses. Even if you try and argue that God prefers monogamy nothing in the Bible says that polygamy is immoral.

[PierzStyx]

Bingo-

The Mormons are a conquered people that had to do or die.It wasn't just about statehood, it was also that all Mormons, who didn't comply, would be taken to jail.

And their assets (money, property, land, etc.) seized, their families broken, and their society forcibly shattered. The Mormons resisted for a long while even in the face of all that. The history of Mormon polygamy is a perfect example of why you don't want government involved in marriage.

[PierzStyx]

I always found it odd seeing those pro polygamy billboards driving up and down I-15. We used to joke about them in starting our own harem.

I hear the Kingstons(family tree) are a large polygamist clan that practically owns Davis County, UT.


http://i.ytimg.com/vi/yF1G2xRoUpw/0.jpg

To add a little clarity to that quote, Brigham Young said the following in the same paragraph as the quote in the picture but before the quote in the picture.

"It may be hard for many, and especially for the ladies, yet it is no harder for them than it is for the gentlemen. It is the word of the Lord, and I wish to say to you, and all the world, that if you desire with all your hearts to obtain the blessings which Abraham obtained, you will be polygamists at least in your faith, or you will come short of enjoying the salvation and the glory which Abraham has obtained."

Mormons believed God commanded the practice of polygamy, to resist it was to disobey His commands. That meant even if you did not actively practice it, you had to accept it as a principle of faith or rebel against God. And no one who rebels against God can expect celestial glory.

[69360]

I never really understood polygamy. Do they realize that the ratio of men vs. women in the world is 50/50? If everybody was a polygamist with 4 wives, then 3/4ths of the male population must be single right? Thus it can never catch on to the population at large, it is destined to exist forever in tiny little cultish enclaves.

They realize it all right. The men kick all the boys out of the church when they become teenagers so they can take all the women as wives. They end up out on their own at 14 or 15 not able to contact their family.

Still, consenting adults can marry as many as they please for all I care, not my concern.

[ChristianAnarchist]

Now we need to get rid of the "marriage license". Who the hell do they think they are "licensing" us anyway? Why do people put up with asking permission to do what is their right??

[William Tell]

While I agree that the legalization is good, polygamy is still immoral;)
So the Patriarchs were living in sin, and king David and others? I wonder why God and his prophets never told them to repent?:confused:
I guess the Lord is OK with Immoral behavior?

[William Tell]

I thought you believed in the Bible?

The Bible takes a back seat to church dogma with many professing believers.

[Christian Liberty]

The Bible takes a back seat to church dogma with many professing believers.

:rolleyes:

If only you knew how many issues I have with most churches...

So the Patriarchs were living in sin, and king David and others? I wonder why God and his prophets never told them to repent?:confused:
I guess the Lord is OK with Immoral behavior?

Yes, I believe they were living in sin. Mind you, not adultery. But I would still say they weren't living up to God's ideal.

And yes, I realize we don't either.

[Wooden Indian]

The bible clearly states that God does not condone polygamy. However, like divorce, due to man's nature, it was permitted under Mosaic Law.

[William Tell]

:rolleyes:

If only you knew how many issues I have with most churches...


Yes, I believe they were living in sin. Mind you, not adultery. But I would still say they weren't living up to God's ideal.

And yes, I realize we don't either.
That is absurd, God told people what to eat. But he forgot to tell his main guys to stop living with so many women? interesting.

[Christian Liberty]

The bible clearly states that God does not condone polygamy. However, like divorce, due to man's nature, it was permitted under Mosaic Law.

Yes. And I think it should be permitted under today's law as well. I only really posted that point because William Tell believes polygamy is morally OK.

[Christian Liberty]

That is absurd, God told people what to eat. But he forgot to tell his main guys to stop living with so many women, interesting.

Are you planning to take multiple wives?;)

[William Tell]

Are you planning to take multiple wives?;)

No, are you planning on using cocaine?

[satchelmcqueen]

While I agree that the legalization is good, polygamy is still immoral;)

i must disagree. i couldnt do it, but to each his own.

[Christian Liberty]

No, are you planning on using cocaine?

I think using cocaine is immoral as well, though I also think that should be legal.

[William Tell]

I think using cocaine is immoral as well, though I also think that should be legal.

I assume you don't believe that any and all uses of the coca plant are immoral?

[dannno]

I think using cocaine is immoral as well, though I also think that should be legal.

I assume you avoid caffeine?

[Christian Liberty]

I assume you don't believe that any and all uses of the coca plant are immoral?

No, I just think getting high is immoral for the same reason I think getting drunk is immoral.

I assume you avoid caffeine?

No. Drinking caffeine doesn't cause one to lose control of his actions and his judgment.

[idiom]

I never really understood polygamy. Do they realize that the ratio of men vs. women in the world is 50/50? If everybody was a polygamist with 4 wives, then 3/4ths of the male population must be single right? Thus it can never catch on to the population at large, it is destined to exist forever in tiny little cultish enclaves.

What percentage of the male population is wealthy?

Why should a woman marry a lesser man and have 100% of a loser, when she could have 25% of a legend?

[Christian Liberty]

What percentage of the male population is wealthy?

Why should a woman marry a lesser man and have 100% of a loser, when she could have 25% of a legend?

Because not everything is about wealth for everyone?

[Muwahid]

Can't wait to get me my 4 wives.

[PRB]

this doesn't mean bigamy and polygamy are recognized forms of marriage, just that the obviously unconstitutional law against cohabitation is struck down, and people are allowed to live with their lovers, however many, as long as they're adults and consensual.

[Southron]

So, what part of the Constitution did the judge reference/?

[mosquitobite]

No William Tell, I am not moving to Utah.

[Origanalist]

One unconstitutional law down, 50,000 or so to go.

[idiom]

Because not everything is about wealth for everyone?

Its not about wealth, the rich person didn't get their by accident, but by determination and strength of character. They are much more suitable as a husband and a father.

[mosquitobite]

Its not about wealth, the rich person didn't get their by accident, but by determination and strength of character.

Or by being elected to Congress.

[ClydeCoulter]

It's not just about sex, but it can give a man a break if one starts trying to use keeping it off limits as punishment.

There are many men who don't want the responsibility of children, nor do they care for them at all.

There are many women that aren't cut out to be house wives, but are more "tomboy" and might work along side the man.

I see advantages in many ways.

It's funny that people get all up in arms about polygamy, but will sleep with someone who they have no idea who or how many they have been with in recent times. At least the wives of polygamists know where their man has been. And, if his wives are monogamous, he knows where they have been.

And, again, it's more, much more than about sex. It's about family and working toward a common goal, many times that being self sufficient.

[idiom]

To think this thread isn't even beginning to touch polyamory, or group marriages, or line marriages, or one wife and four husbands...

[mosquitobite]

one wife and four husbands...

yeah because you never hear jokes about a woman never putting out... lol

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[William Tell]

To think this thread isn't even beginning to touch polyamory, or group marriages, or line marriages, or one wife and four husbands...

That stuff is messed up. But plural wives, and concubines are traditionally acceptable.

[dannno]

No. Drinking caffeine doesn't cause one to lose control of his actions and his judgment.

For some people it does.

Of course, I believe i have better judgement and control of my actions when I smoke weed so I guess that would be ok.

[Wooden Indian]

I smoke weed.

Behavioral Modification Specialists are now being deployed. Please lie face down on the floor and await their arrival, citizen.
Thank you for choosing America for all of your corrective action needs.

[William Tell]

No William Tell, I am not moving to Utah.

Interesting, and noted. I wonder how many rep points it would cost me, to get the other gals on this forum to move to Utah?:p

[Christian Liberty]

Can't wait to get me my 4 wives.

Well, you're Muslim;)

That stuff is messed up. But plural wives, and concubines are traditionally acceptable.

Can a woman morally have more than one husband? If not, why not?

Interesting, and noted. I wonder how many rep points it would cost me, to get the other gals on this forum to move to Utah?:p

Perv;)

[idiom]

That stuff is messed up. But plural wives, and concubines are traditionally acceptable.

Please, justify your arbitrary line in the sand for the whole class?

[idiom]

The most interesting counter-point on this topic that I have read is this little missve:

http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html

Its long but worth reading in full.

[satchelmcqueen]

but then again maybe i could do it. could be fun, yet could be torture.