Russian Troops invade Ukraine

[DevilsAdvocate]

I'll admit my heart skipped a beat when I saw this on Drudge. I really hope this doesn't blow up. I don't want to get drafted for this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russian-and-ukraine-troops-battle-in-south-prompting-fears-of-widescale-invasion/2014/08/28/04b614f4-9a6e-40f4-aa21-4f49104cf0e4_story.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/29/world/europe/ukraine-conflict.html

[William Tell]

This is very bad.

[pcosmar]

I'll admit my heart skipped a beat when I saw this on Drudge. I really hope this doesn't blow up. I don't want to get drafted for this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russian-and-ukraine-troops-battle-in-south-prompting-fears-of-widescale-invasion/2014/08/28/04b614f4-9a6e-40f4-aa21-4f49104cf0e4_story.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/29/world/europe/ukraine-conflict.html

I call bullshit. Though I think Russia is the best hope for the people of East Ukraine under assault from Kiev.

They were reporting the Aid Convoy as an invasion,, and even claimed tanks were involved.. (they were not)
Russia is the only force in the area that could put an end to the atrocities,, but so far have refused to be baited into it.

[Acala]

Don't worry. The USA isn't going to take on any industrial power directly. The MIC likes proxy wars. Lots of money and not so many body bags.

[thoughtomator]

Keep in mind that this is coming from the Fascist/coup government of Ukraine, and they have an extensive track record of false claims.

[pcosmar]

Keep in mind that this is coming from the Fascist/coup government of Ukraine, and they have an extensive track record of false claims.

That's why I call bullshit. ;)

[klamath]

They have been there from the beginning. Putin's lies can't be covered up anymore. Tank columns don't JUST appear in a months old war zone having never been in seen in the action before.

[DevilsAdvocate]

The thing that really bothers me is the way all of the headlines I've been reading recently have been seeming to point towards Russia.

US and Russia flying into each others airspace. Russian hackers attack US banks. US sanctions against Russia, and now this.

Either the Russians are making a lot of shifty moves for some dark purpose or the MSM is painting a target on them for their own dark purpose. We all know that relations between the US and Russia are worsening, and it really worries me considering that we are the only two nations capable of ending the world.

[pcosmar]

They have been there from the beginning. Putin's lies can't be covered up anymore. Tank columns don't JUST appear in a months old war zone having never been in seen in the action before.

What tank columns?

Do you mean the truck convoy of Humanitarian aid that was held up for weeks,, and then called an "invasion" when they finally delivered it.

I have seen NO Evidence of Russian Tank Columns. Though I have heard that claim several times.
The Ukraine Army is not in smoking ruin.(and it would be if such was true)

[thoughtomator]

They have been there from the beginning. Putin's lies can't be covered up anymore. Tank columns don't JUST appear in a months old war zone having never been in seen in the action before.

Dramatic claims like Ukraine has been making require evidence, and they produce none. Meanwhile, the only copy of the ATC tapes from the MH17 incident - which they squarely blame on Russia - lie in the hands of the Ukraine security apparatus, blackholed from the world.

[green73]

Keep in mind that this is coming from the Fascist/coup government of Ukraine, and they have an extensive track record of false claims.

Yup. And shithead Drudge is the biggest fearmonger on the internet.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Don't forget a mass amount of Ukrainian amour was confiscated by the eastern Oblasts in the beginning... also from the huge defections from the Ukrainian army. They set a trap, drew them in, and it worked, makes NATO experts look like a bunch of buffoons. Very impressed by the tactical planning operations, now the Junta ZioNazi forces are entrapped, Whammo... oh the irony of Stalingrad.

The circus continues... Even WWE is playing the Good Cop US - Evil Cop Russia meme

http://notmadeinchelsea.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/vlcsnap-2014-05-14-03h33m04s217.png

[Pericles]

And the Russian soldiers helping out the rebels while on leave, that was a good one :)

[pcosmar]

And the Russian soldiers helping out the rebels while on leave, that was a good one :)

I doubt they take tanks with them on vacation. ;)

[pcosmar]

OK,, Finally found one story (Reuters) with a Photo.

http://www.euronews.com/wires/reuters/images/2014-08-28T130602Z_1007650001_LYNXMPEA7R0MY_RTROPTP_3_OUKW D-UK-UKRAINE-CRISIS-RUSSIA-COLUMN-EXCLUSIVE.JPG

Except the column is on a train,, and inside Russia.

OMG there are Russian Tanks in Russia. :rolleyes:

[Ender]

OK,, Finally found one story (Reuters) with a Photo.

http://www.euronews.com/wires/reuters/images/2014-08-28T130602Z_1007650001_LYNXMPEA7R0MY_RTROPTP_3_OUKW D-UK-UKRAINE-CRISIS-RUSSIA-COLUMN-EXCLUSIVE.JPG

Except the column is on a train,, and inside Russia.

OMG there are Russian Tanks in Russia. :rolleyes:

Whodda Thunk? ;)

[klamath]

And the Russian soldiers helping out the rebels while on leave, that was a good one :) Or highly trained Russian paratroopers stumbling across a hot border... How stupid do they think we are....but then again judging by some posts...

[pcosmar]

Whodda Thunk? ;)

I know,, huh?

I have seen a few,, some video of Tanks and other hardware.. on the Russian side of the border.

When the Aid convoy was being held up for two weeks at the border,, there was a bunch.

With the Nazi takeover of their neighbor,, and threats from the very beginning,, I do not blame them for beefing up border security.

Just as I can't blame Ukrainians of Russian ancestry for being concerned about the threats from the Nazis in Kiev.

[Brian4Liberty]

The thing that really bothers me is the way all of the headlines I've been reading recently have been seeming to point towards Russia.

US and Russia flying into each others airspace. Russian hackers attack US banks. US sanctions against Russia, and now this.

Either the Russians are making a lot of shifty moves for some dark purpose or the MSM is painting a target on them for their own dark purpose. We all know that relations between the US and Russia are worsening, and it really worries me considering that we are the only two nations capable of ending the world.

Both the neoconservatives (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?450257-Neoconservatives-The-List) and the neoliberal interventionists have an ax to grind with Russia. They are former communists (Leninists, Trotskyites) that have had a disagreement with Russia since after Stalin took full control and ruined their communist paradise. Old grudges from old Europe.

[ClydeCoulter]

"I'll have a little more leeway after the election"

[Brian4Liberty]

They have been there from the beginning. Putin's lies can't be covered up anymore. Tank columns don't JUST appear in a months old war zone having never been in seen in the action before.

Stepping back from the current war frenzy, let's look at the bigger picture.

There are areas in eastern Ukraine that were relatively recently part of Russia. All of Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, it may have made sense for those Russian speaking and Russian ethnic areas to go back to being part of Russia. It seems that they want to do that now.

They want to be independent or part of Russia. Why should I care whether they are independent, part of Ukraine or part of Russia? Why should the US care? Why should anyone care? Why is that an emergency? Why should bombs be dropping causing death and destruction? Why?

[klamath]

Stepping back from the current war frenzy, let's look at the bigger picture.

There are areas in eastern Ukraine that were relatively recently part of Russia. All of Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, it may have made sense for those Russian speaking and Russian ethnic areas to go back to being part of Russia. It seems that they want to do that now.

They want to be independent or part of Russia. Why should I care whether they are independent, part of Ukraine or part of Russia? Why should the US care? Why should anyone care? Why is that an emergency? Why should bombs be dropping causing death and destruction? Why? That might be a good question to ask the person that has an ongoing, months long thread about the atrocities of the Ukrainians? Do ask him this question as well? Why should "ANYBODY CARE?"

[Brian4Liberty]

That might be a good question to ask the person that has an ongoing, months long thread about the atrocities of the Ukrainians? Do ask him this question as well? Why should "ANYBODY CARE?"

Can't speak for that person.

Most people do care about death and destruction. That's why there is so much charity after disasters. But when there is civil war, it's more a question of policing the world. It's perfectly acceptable to care, yet not want to play global Police, get involved, and probably make matters worse.

But I don't care at all if some city is on one side of a border or the other. I would prefer that they find a civilized, reasonable and rational solution to any disagreements.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Kiev 'cries wolf' so often that I've stopped paying much attention. Maybe that's Russia's strategy: Get Ukraine to squeal about an invasion every other day until the world becomes bored with it, then actually do something.

[sparebulb]

It is probably always best to rely on reputable main-stream media outlets to gain understanding of world geopolitical events. They usually get it right, regardless of what you hear on unverified "news" outlets. Just have a little faith in the system.


UPDATE: BREAKING NEWS:

http://revolution-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/BuzRYvsIIAA9mre.jpg



New photos show Russian armored column and troops entering Ukraine.

[RonPaulIsGreat]

Dudes sorry to interrupt the discussion of possible trivial war, but I think everyone should know, Joan Rivers has been transported to the hospital. More details forthcoming.

A moment of silence for the great american icon......

[klamath]

Can't speak for that person.

Most people do care about death and destruction. That's why there is so much charity after disasters. But when there is civil war, it's more a question of policing the world. It's perfectly acceptable to care, yet not want to play global Police, get involved, and probably make matters worse.

But I don't care at all if some city is on one side of a border or the other. I would prefer that they find a civilized, reasonable and rational solution to any disagreements.I don't believe I said anywhere we should police it. My point has always been that until people are willing to look at all sides this shit will continue to happen. Putin is believed without question in this around here and as far as I am concerned he has his hand in the destabilization just as much as the west.

[pcosmar]

Why should "ANYBODY CARE?"

Because American Tax dollars put The Nazis in power in Kiev.

so anyone that pays taxes,, has a concern. And because the USgov is deliberately provoking a Nuclear Power.
Which is also a concern for many.

[sparebulb]

Because American Tax dollars put The Nazis in power in Kiev.

so anyone that pays taxes,, has a concern. And because the USgov is deliberately provoking a Nuclear Power.
Which is also a concern for many.

But Dianne Sawyer, Anderson Cooper AC/DC, Rush Limpbag and Hannity have all told me that V.V. Putin is a bloodthirsty dictator, a thug, and has deprived the rights of homosexuals and imprisoned freedom fighters like Pussy Riot. We cannot stand for this kind of dangerous provocative behavior that threatens the freedom of the Western world.

[pcosmar]

http://revolution-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/BuzRYvsIIAA9mre.jpg



New photos show Russian armored column and troops entering Ukraine.

Isn't that Ferguson?

[westkyle]

I'll admit my heart skipped a beat when I saw this on Drudge. I really hope this doesn't blow up. I don't want to get drafted for this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russian-and-ukraine-troops-battle-in-south-prompting-fears-of-widescale-invasion/2014/08/28/04b614f4-9a6e-40f4-aa21-4f49104cf0e4_story.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/29/world/europe/ukraine-conflict.html

Why would you allow yourself to be drafted? Are you not a human being with a free will?

[sparebulb]

Isn't that Ferguson?

Yes, but that's beside the point.

Sometimes, the legitimate mainstream media must help direct information in such a way as to achieve a greater sense of social awareness and change.

[Cutlerzzz]

Both the neoconservatives (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?450257-Neoconservatives-The-List) and the neoliberal interventionists have an ax to grind with Russia. They are former communists (Leninists, Trotskyites) that have had a disagreement with Russia since after Stalin took full control and ruined their communist paradise. Old grudges from old Europe.

What do neoliberals want war with Russia for?

[pcosmar]

What do neoliberals want war with Russia for?

To please their Master.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon

[sparebulb]

What do neoliberals want war with Russia for?

The hate Russia for the same reasons as the neocons:

Their emerging free-market economy

Their partial hard-back currency

Their emerging middle class

Their restrictions on public displays of homosexuality

The resurgence of practicing Christianity and the Russian Orthodox Church

Their resistance to centralized world policy

[HOLLYWOOD]

But Dianne Sawyer, Anderson Cooper AC/DC, Rush Limpbag and Hannity have all told me that V.V. Putin is a bloodthirsty dictator, a thug, and has deprived the rights of homosexuals and imprisoned freedom fighters like Pussy Riot. We cannot stand for this kind of dangerous provocative behavior that threatens the freedom of the Western world.Speaking of the Pussy Riot nutcases... not too cool


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDC5TEFNrxo

[Demigod]

To please their Master.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon

I thought you were talking about Abaddon the Despoiler ,but the character in your link is cool as well.

[Brian4Liberty]

What do neoliberals want war with Russia for?

You'd have to ask Hillary, Brzezinski, Soros, Albright and whole host of others. You have more options, as there are many more of them than neoconservatives. The neoconservatives are just an offshoot (going back to Democrat Scoop Jackson). Hillary is the new Scoop Jackson.

[kybkh]

Sadly, if it "blows up" the only draft you feel will be from a neutron bomb.

Hopefully, Putin is a rationale actor and will walk away happy to have Crimea in the fold. Not much else to gain in Eastern Ukraine if RU hopes to stay in the circle of trust.

Really, if RU has any kind of dreams of rapprochement with the West it can't "invade Ukraine" with regular forces.

[sparebulb]

Sadly, if it "blows up" the only draft you feel will be from a neutron bomb.

Hopefully, Putin is a rationale actor and will walk away happy to have Crimea in the fold. Not much else to gain in Eastern Ukraine if RU hopes to stay in the circle of trust.

Really, if RU has any kind of dreams of rapprochement with the West it can't "invade Ukraine" with regular forces.

I don't quite know how this was allowed to happen, but many of the weapon systems that Russia relies upon are manufactured and supported in Ukraine. I suppose that Russia was under the assumption that their relationship with Ukraine was stable, and the US/EU coup was a bit sudden and unexpected.

I imagine that Russia's situation was not the product of gross stupidity like the US, where many of our weapon systems rely upon parts made in China.

[Cutlerzzz]

To please their Master.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon


The hate Russia for the same reasons as the neocons:

Their emerging free-market economy

Their partial hard-back currency

Their emerging middle class

Their restrictions on public displays of homosexuality

The resurgence of practicing Christianity and the Russian Orthodox Church

Their resistance to centralized world policy


You'd have to ask Hillary, Brzezinski, Soros, Albright and whole host of others. You have more options, as there are many more of them than neoconservatives. The neoconservatives are just an offshoot (going back to Democrat Scoop Jackson). Hillary is the new Scoop Jackson.

I don't think neoliberal means what you think it means.

[ChristianAnarchist]

Isn't that Ferguson?

Touche'

[Brian4Liberty]

I don't think neoliberal means what you think it means.

Yeah I know, there is a lot of hair splitting. Liberal interventionist is probably the most popular terminology today. I don't like that because that's a perversion of the word liberal. Progressive interventionist? Socialist interventionist? Marxist interventionist? New world order globalist interventionist? Which do you prefer?

Everyone is an individual, so let's start with Hillary. What is her philosophy or category?

[pcosmar]

I don't think neoliberal means what you think it means.

Neoliberal,, Neoconservative,,, Phfittt!

What difference does it make,, they both serve the same spirits.


All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

They serve their Master.

[AngryCanadian]

Yeah an invasion of just 1000 troops the MSM is sure and recently getting desperate.

[AngryCanadian]

Isn't that Ferguson?

Yup.

[Cutlerzzz]

Neoliberal,, Neoconservative,,, Phfittt!

What difference does it make,, they both serve the same spirits.



They serve their Master.
Neoliberalism is a word that refers to what are more or less moderate libertarians. Milton Friedman being the most famous. Hayek himself wasn't a neoliberal, but he is probably the second most popular among neoliberals.

Not many neoliberals want a gigantic military spanning the globe. Most want a small military budget as it is a wage of money.

[Natural Citizen]

I'll admit my heart skipped a beat when I saw this on Drudge. I really hope this doesn't blow up. I don't want to get drafted for this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russian-and-ukraine-troops-battle-in-south-prompting-fears-of-widescale-invasion/2014/08/28/04b614f4-9a6e-40f4-aa21-4f49104cf0e4_story.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/29/world/europe/ukraine-conflict.html

NATO is just trying to justify their existence and using the conflict in the Ukraine as a mechanism to do that. This brand of propaganda is expected. Predictable.




18:49 GMT:
UN can't confirm claims that Russian troops have gone into Ukraine, Stephane Dujarric, UN secretary-general’s spokesman, told an Itar-Tass news agency.



Aside - The image were provided by an independent organization called Digital Globe.

Recent Updates (http://rt.com/news/eastern-ukraine-army-operation-680/)

[sparebulb]

Neoliberalism is a word that refers to what are more or less moderate libertarians. Milton Friedman being the most famous. Hayek himself wasn't a neoliberal, but he is probably the second most popular among neoliberals.

Not many neoliberals want a gigantic military spanning the globe. Most want a small military budget as it is a wage of money.

To tell you the truth, I honestly did not know what the meaning of neo-liberalism was. I did some assuming.

However, I cannot wrap my mind around what a moderate libertarian might be. I don't think I want to know.

[Brett85]

So I guess all of the people who are criticizing Russia for invading Ukraine also spoke out against the U.S invasion of Iraq?

[HOLLYWOOD]

Like Ron Paul said: US is pushing its own agenda in Ukraine

Well, anybody that believes Zionist corporate media news is a fool.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeQk2JppZtw

http://kwout.com/cutout/c/da/k4/x5a_bor.jpg

Six Big Lies About The Ukraine: Washington’s Narrative Is Pure Propaganda Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! (http://www.infowars.com/six-big-lies-about-the-ukraine-washingtons-narrative-is-pure-propaganda/)

[Brian4Liberty]

Neoliberalism is a word that refers to what are more or less moderate libertarians. Milton Friedman being the most famous. Hayek himself wasn't a neoliberal, but he is probably the second most popular among neoliberals.

Not many neoliberals want a gigantic military spanning the globe. Most want a small military budget as it is a wage of money.

Yeah, closer to the classical liberal.

So what is Hillary?

[Cutlerzzz]

Yeah, closer to the classical liberal.

So what is Hillary?

A progressive internationalist. Or a neocon. Not a huge difference and she fits both.

[sparebulb]

Speaking of the Pussy Riot nutcases... not too cool


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDC5TEFNrxo

And to think that there are those here on this forum that equate Pussy Riot with the ideals of Ron Paul.....


Also, it is no surprise that they are using a pussy German saw.

[dillo]

The hate Russia for the same reasons as the neocons:

Their emerging free-market economy

Their partial hard-back currency

Their emerging middle class

Their restrictions on public displays of homosexuality

The resurgence of practicing Christianity and the Russian Orthodox Church

Their resistance to centralized world policy

Whats funny is Putin would probably be a star in the Tea Party down south

Also I find this ironic considering its the day after I read about some deal between Russia and China to trade in their own currencys

[kybkh]

I do find the timing of all these "national security" issues to be awfully coincidental with the rising beliefs that the NSA is not needed and wars are not cool.

[RonPaulIsGreat]

http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/29/news/companies/mcdonalds-russia-closures/

Whoa, things getting real now, they cut off the big macs. Everyone knows Ronald Mcdonald is a lifetime Illuminati member in good standing, and a 36 degree mason. I got a feeling things gonna get worse.

[Pericles]

OK,, Finally found one story (Reuters) with a Photo.

http://www.euronews.com/wires/reuters/images/2014-08-28T130602Z_1007650001_LYNXMPEA7R0MY_RTROPTP_3_OUKW D-UK-UKRAINE-CRISIS-RUSSIA-COLUMN-EXCLUSIVE.JPG

Except the column is on a train,, and inside Russia.

OMG there are Russian Tanks in Russia. :rolleyes:

Those are self propelled artillery pieces, not tanks, and the model is post breakup of the Soviet Union, so if there are found anywhere else than Russia, that would be interesting. Same for today's photo going around the net of a purported revel capture of a Ukranian tank, which to me (because there has been no view of the back, which I would need to see in order to know) looks more like a Russian T-80U rather than a Ukraine T-80UD.

And then there are the images a few posts up of T-72s which are obsolete in both nation's forces.

[HOLLYWOOD]

http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/29/news/companies/mcdonalds-russia-closures/

Whoa, things getting real now, they cut off the big macs. Everyone knows Ronald Mcdonald is a lifetime Illuminati member in good standing, and a 36 degree mason. I got a feeling things gonna get worse.33rd degree mason

Russian cuts off the America's Big Mac

Germany cuts off 'amoured' Mercedes-Benz vehicles to Russia

Those are self propelled artillery pieces, not tanks, and the model is post breakup of the Soviet Union, so if there are found anywhere else than Russia, that would be interesting. Same for today's photo going around the net of a purported revel capture of a Ukranian tank, which to me (because there has been no view of the back, which I would need to see in order to know) looks more like a Russian T-80U rather than a Ukraine T-80UD.

And then there are the images a few posts up of T-72s which are obsolete in both nation's forces.Yeah, any intel IMINT I've seen released on the accusations of Russia tanks in the Ukraine, are completely unverifiable, well, at least at the image resolution released to the public. BTW, Google has a better imagery of my cars at home than the crap Washington DC released as evidence. What an embarrassment. The Ukraine has been in the business of selling 1000s of T-72s and T-80UDs around the world from the Malyshev HMB Plant, based in Kharkov, Ukraine . Though, it would not be too difficult to setup a another Ukrainian false flag with placing Russian configured/marked tanks in the region for a photo op.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/t72/
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/t80/
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/oplot-m-main-battle-tank-ukraine/

Ukraine buys scrap Russian tanks from Hungry to frame Russia: http://www.hidfo.net/2014/08/12/hulladekvas-araert-eladott-honvedsegi-harckocsik-utban-az-ukrajnai-haboru-fele

Latest: Putin negotiates escape to corridor for Ukrainian military surrounded in cauldron by eastern separatists.

http://kwout.com/cutout/a/h5/88/pmv_bor.jpg

Ukraine rebels to open path for trapped army - Europe - Al Jazeera English (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/08/ukraine-rebels-open-path-trapped-army-20148295161895605.html)

[qh4dotcom]

Does anyone think the Ukraine - Russia conflict could have been avoided had Russia complied with US demands and extradited Edward Snowden?

Seems to me that the removal of pro-Russia president Yanukovitch was payback for granting Snowden asylum.

[pcosmar]

Does anyone think the Ukraine - Russia conflict could have been avoided had Russia complied with US demands and extradited Edward Snowden?

Seems to me that the removal of pro-Russia president Yanukovitch was payback for granting Snowden asylum.

And for their Diplomacy in negotiating the Iran Nuclear enrichment,, and Syrian Chemical weapons situations.. thus preventing attacks from the US.

Diplomacy pisses off the MIC.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Does anyone think the Ukraine - Russia conflict could have been avoided had Russia complied with US demands and extradited Edward Snowden?

Seems to me that the removal of pro-Russia president Yanukovitch was payback for granting Snowden asylum.I don't think so... the overthrow and capture of resources in the Ukraine has been planned long ago and the US government has spent $6 Billion (http://www.sott.net/article/273602-US-Assistant-Secretary-of-State-Victoria-Nuland-says-Washington-has-spent-5-billion-trying-to-subvert-Ukraine) over the past ~10 years setting up the groups and working with the Fascists and Zionists within Ukraine. It's obvious, the US/NATO global locus have underestimated every country they were to inflict their dictatorial Fascist type of New World Order; Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, U.A.E. Qatar, Bahrain, Somalia, Georgia, Romania, Moldova, ahhhh, everywhere, take your pick. There's been meetings and even group photos for years with the 'USUAL SUSPECTS' Yatsenyuk, Klitschko,

Victoria Nuland, heck, all the Kagans, have a permanent fiefdom in the entire US State Department, DOD cloaks, even the Israeli MOSSAD that was a major player behind the Kiev protests (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukraine-protests-israeli-ex-officer-leads-militant-group-1436865), have been working Ukraine for years on this overthrow... It appears the US/NATO control has also the eastern European nations economically-financially controlled. Heck even outspoken Polish Foreign Minister, Radoslaw Sikorski, was caught in another wiretap saying, "It is even harmful, because it creates for Poland a false sense of security." ...who earlier this year was named as a contender for NATO secretary-general. ... (BMD) shield, designed to just protect U.S. troops and allies(western Europe) from missile attack by Iran.
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If anything, this Zionist/CFR operations and war Ukraine has been planned and in the works for a very long time... Obama did get a deal with Russia on the multi billion HIND helicopter deal in Afghanistan for an abstention on U.N. res 1973 to attack Libya and overthrow Qaddafi. That was Putin and Larionov's major mistake, especially after the overthrow, discovery that Libya was covert operations be the CIA, Mi6, et al in; recruiting, training, and transport hub for rebel/terrorists in overthrowing governments, regions, and countries. One only has to look at who is behind the years of destabilizing, nations, regions around the world, and overthrowing governments with false flags, lies, trade wars, sanctions, propaganda, terrorism, and wars.

Here's the latest updates in Eastern Ukraine if anyone is interested:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rhur4RQvkY

[green73]

Even Drudge is having to admit....

Satellite Images of Tanks in Ukraine From 'Computer Game'

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/russian-foreign-minister-those-satellite-images-of-russian-tanks-are-from-computer-games-video/?PageSpeed=noscript

[sparebulb]

Perhaps BO can recruit an expert of unquestionable character,Colin Powell, to present this latest photographic evidence of Russian aggression to the UN.


https://www.vintagetoysillustrated.com/2014/vintage-toys-for-sale/march/GREEN_PLASTIC_ARMY_MEN_SOLDIERS_MARINE_TANKS_TENTS _ARTILLERY_RIFLES_JEEPS_BAZOOKAS_BUGLER.JPG

[specsaregood]

Even Drudge is having to admit....
Satellite Images of Tanks in Ukraine From 'Computer Game'

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/russian-foreign-minister-those-satellite-images-of-russian-tanks-are-from-computer-games-video/?PageSpeed=noscript

"admit"? I see no evidence that it is from a computer game. I'd be really happy to see that however, where is the evidence? I just heard a claim that it was so from an untrustworthy agent of a foreign government.

[green73]

"admit"? I see no evidence that it is from a computer game. I'd be really happy to see that however, where is the evidence? I just heard a claim that it was so from an untrustworthy agent of a foreign government.

Maybe. But here we are--what, 36 hours from this sensational headline?--and it's obviously bullshit.

[DevilsAdvocate]

Wow what a joke. It looks like it was all a wash. Screw Drudge, I'm never going to that site again. Scaring people for clicks like that is unforgivable.