Libertarian candidate for Florida Governor 2014 Adrian Wyllie

[OrlandoChris]

For all in Florida, please help Adrian Wyllie the Libertarian candidate for Florida Governor. He can win this easily if we help him. Spread the word, contribute to his super brochure program and donate to his campaign. www.WyllieForGovernor.com and the spanish version: VotaPorWyllie.com

[R.G]

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[nobody's_hero]

After the stunt Rick Scott pulled in Liberty county with Sheriff Nick Finch, I'm surprised he even made it through the primaries.

[69360]

He can win this easily if we help him.


You don't really believe that, do you?

[R.G]

You don't really believe that, do you?

Yes
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[erowe1]

Are you talking Libertarian Party?

[OrlandoChris]

You don't really believe that, do you?
Yes I do, any other questions?

[philipped]

I'm voting for him, but I know he wont win, you must be realistic. What I would love is for him to get over a 10% in November and for Amendment 2 to pass so 1. Libertarian Party of Florida is on the ballot and in the debates and in the polls now, no way around it. 2. Libertarian activists will be the people thanked for Amendment 2 passing making the libertarian alternative more appealing to Floridians. 3. THIS WILL TURN THIS STATE INTO A PURE PURPLE STATE IN 2016. They can no longer ignore this party. A senate seat would really be up for grabs if Nelson doesnt go for re-election, Libertarian Party could no longer be ignored in this scenario. Major party recognition should really be the goal of the Libertarian Party in every state and on a state level looking toward 2016 and pass that as things move in this fashion. That's my $0.02

[bolil]

Yes I do, any other questions?

Are the people on this forum really that easy to take?

[philipped]

Are the people on this forum really that easy to take?

I am not a party loyalist.

[R.G]

Are the people on this forum really that easy to take?
Wyllie Libertarians think like Gable.

I never had the fear of getting beat, which is how most people lose.
Dan Gable (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/d/dan_gable.html)

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[erowe1]

I am not a party loyalist.

Good, then you won't waste time with the LP.

[erowe1]

Wyllie Libertarians think like Gable.

Oh, is that how easy it is? The reason so many people have thrown away so much time, energy, and resources on LP candidates all these decades has been that they weren't optimistic enough (never mind the ridiculously overconfident claims that we hear from LP folks election after election)? And now these Wyllie supporters finally discovered the key to victory, and it's all a matter of closing your eyes and clicking your heels together.

[R.G]

Oh, is that how easy it is? The reason so many people have thrown away so much time, energy, and resources on LP candidates all these decades has been that they weren't optimistic enough (never mind the ridiculously overconfident claims that we hear from LP folks election after election)? And now these Wyllie supporters finally discovered the key to victory, and it's all a matter of closing your eyes and clicking your heels together.

erowe1, the key is the "Power Of Prayer"

All that God is, and all that God has, is at the disposal of prayer. Prayer can do anything that God can do, and as God can do everything, prayer is omnipotent.”
― R.A. Torrey (http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/2986919.R_A_Torrey)

So pray that Libertarian Wyllie will replace Rick Scott who was CEO of a company that paid the largest Medicare Fraud fine of all time, $1.7 billion.

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[moostraks]

erowe1, the key is the "Power Of Prayer"

All that God is, and all that God has, is at the disposal of prayer. Prayer can do anything that God can do, and as God can do everything, prayer is omnipotent.”
― R.A. Torrey (http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/2986919.R_A_Torrey)

So pray that Libertarian Wyllie will replace Rick Scott who was CEO of a company that paid the largest Medicare Fraud fine of all time, $1.7 billion.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7EShaS_YdeI/TRS9e5OHwbI/AAAAAAAADNw/mb2uAfgJVTE/s400/31AALeW1V-L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

So the prosperity gospel is the answer for a win for the LP? Must be nice to have a god at one's behest for such things.

[erowe1]

FWIW RG and OrlandoChris, I'd take your pumping of your candidate more seriously if your join dates didn't suggest that the only use this forum has to you is as a pool of people you think you can get behind your LP guy.

[CaptUSA]

Listen, the problem with the LP is (and always will be, I'm afraid) is that they can't help but fight with each other. I was a LP party member for 20 years. Excited and energetic at first, but disappointed, apathetic, and lethargic by the end. I wish you luck, but I'm done throwing my money down that hole.

As far as the "easily win" comment... Well, let's just say you are in for a dose of reality.

[R.G]

FWIW RG and OrlandoChris, I'd take your pumping of your candidate more seriously if your join dates didn't suggest that the only use this forum has to you is as a pool of people you think you can get behind your LP guy.

Be careful erowel1 the RPF might have a few SNIOPs lurking. You need to know how to train fleas!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br0BZ-gPSNY

[erowe1]

Be careful erowel1 the RPF might have a few SNIOPs lurking. You need to know how to train fleas!


We do a lot of that training here. We take the lid off by directing candidates to Republican primaries, where they without exception stand greater chances of victory than in a general election.

Notice how the LP keeps exhausting people bumping into that 2% lid.

So who's really discouraging the SNIOPs?

[69360]

Yes
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Yes I do, any other questions?


Do you two believe in the easter bunny as well?

Seriously how long have you been involved in politics? The LP has never held ANY statewide office no less national office. If your guy gets lucky and does really well he might get 2%.

[CPUd]

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[goRPaul]

Most recent FL Gov Poll (http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=50582fcd-fbd1-4015-8068-45d66cc1cbf8) puts Wyllie at 4%. I've lived in Florida, people don't vote third party there for any reason.

[R.G]

So the prosperity gospel is the answer for a win for the LP? Must be nice to have a god at one's behest for such things.
I never said anything about prosperity.

I went to Iowa State University(ISU) on a wrestling scholarship, the #1 team in America at the time so I know a thing or two about winners and losers. I'm lucky though because my wife is so smart. We went to this meeting in Dallas together and management had this basketball coach going to tell us about motivation and I told my wife, "Sure, they get a basketball coach." My smart wife says, "Keep an open mind." At the end of the speech my wife looks at me and says, "See, that's the best motivational speaker I have ever seen, right? I said, "OK, you are right again."

Nobody has the time to watch this speech but I do have a copy of it that I will share with you. Basketball's Jimmy Valvano - about winning!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uezVYG4ba1E

[philipped]

Good, then you won't waste time with the LP.

By not being a party loyalist I meant Rick Scott doesn't have my vote by default because he has a R next to his name.

[moostraks]

erowe1, the key is the "Power Of Prayer"

All that God is, and all that God has, is at the disposal of prayer. Prayer can do anything that God can do, and as God can do everything, prayer is omnipotent.”
― R.A. Torrey (http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/2986919.R_A_Torrey)

So pray that Libertarian Wyllie will replace Rick Scott who was CEO of a company that paid the largest Medicare Fraud fine of all time, $1.7 billion.




I never said anything about prosperity.

I went to Iowa State University(ISU) on a wrestling scholarship, the #1 team in America at the time so I know a thing or two about winners and losers. I'm lucky though because my wife is so smart. We went to this meeting in Dallas together and management had this basketball coach going to tell us about motivation and I told my wife, "Sure, they get a basketball coach." My smart wife says, "Keep an open mind." At the end of the speech my wife looks at me and says, "See, that's the best motivational speaker I have ever seen, right? I said, "OK, you are right again."

Nobody has the time to watch this speech but I do have a copy of it that I will share with you. Basketball's Jimmy Valvano - about winning!




The prosperity gospel goes by many names: Word of Faith, Health and Wealth, Name It and Claim It. This “different gospel” teaches that God provides rewards, including personal happiness, financial wealth and physical health, for believers who have sufficient faith. http://www.faithstreet.com/onfaith/2014/05/09/ten-verses-prosperity-gospel-preachers-need-stop-misuising/32019


Let me start by quoting R.A. Torrey who said, "There is no spiritual blessing that any believer enjoys that may not be yours..."The previously unheard of idea of Christians having all needs and desires met was originally espoused nationally by Dr. Oral Roberts as a biblical principle known as seedtime and harvest. Following Dr. Roberts with an expanded version of the seedtime and harvest message was Dr. Kenneth Hagen. Following in Dr. Roberts and Dr Hagen's footsteps came Kenneth Copeland who proclaimed the word of faith variation of seedtime and harvest with extreme success. Kenneth Copeland Ministries has one of the largest television viewer ratings in America for religious programming. Those who follow the word of faith or seedtime and harvest doctrine have been labeled by some as the word people. The word people qualify as a grass roots movement within Christendom.

There are those within the body of Christ who place emphasis on material gain. Others have assigned unflattering names to the Word movement such as "name it and claim it people" or "blab it and grab it people."...

Two things must be at work, both faith and giving are required for success...

It is not Biblical if faith or believing does not come first and our words are substituted for the word of God. You can take a scripture and stand on that scripture by claiming that scripture and as an act of faith give money or time or prayer for others as a seed, if, now please understand what "if" means here, if your money, time or prayer time is precious to your well being. Then it becomes a seed, or sacrifice to God and proof you believe God's words. When you have done that you can biblically name it and claim it.
http://www.spiritualliving360.com/index.php/name-it-and-claim-it-bible-prosperity-24737/

Prosperity gospel is the term for the idea you have proposed for success in seeking the office of Governor. The above links describe the use of prayer for such ventures and the different names this belief goes by of which prosperity gospel is one. The term prosperity is not limited to financial success but is often thought of as such. Prosperity is the state of being successful...

[R.G]

http://www.faithstreet.com/onfaith/2014/05/09/ten-verses-prosperity-gospel-preachers-need-stop-misuising/32019


http://www.spiritualliving360.com/index.php/name-it-and-claim-it-bible-prosperity-24737/

Prosperity gospel is the term for the idea you have proposed for success in seeking the office of Governor. The above links describe the use of prayer for such ventures and the different names this belief goes by of which prosperity gospel is one. The term prosperity is not limited to financial success but is often thought of as such. Prosperity is the state of being successful...

So moonstruk, you twist R A Torrey into Dr. Oral Roberts. Let's see what R. A. Torrey said about Dr. Oral Roberts who will follow 40 years later:

Do not study commentaries, lesson helps or other books about the Bible: study the Bible itself. Do not study about the Bible, study the Bible. The Bible is the Word of God, and only the Bible is the Word of God. - R. A. Torrey

I hope this answers your question moonstuk. moonstruk, are you suggesting that people should not pray?

[Prominence]

I am in FL and absolutely voting for Wyllie. I don't care if he wins 1%, proud to be counted among those people. One day boobus will wake the f up. Stupid videos go viral all the time and we have a shot nowadays more than ever to elect a non mainstream candidate. People who vote for Crist or Scott because Wyllie has no chance are part of the problem.

[erowe1]

I am in FL and absolutely voting for Wyllie. I don't care if he wins 1%, proud to be counted among those people. One day boobus will wake the f up. Stupid videos go viral all the time and we have a shot nowadays more than ever to elect a non mainstream candidate. People who vote for Crist or Scott because Wyllie has no chance are part of the problem.

There's no reason his getting 1% should bother you if all you did was vote for him. I've voted for third party candidates too, and I probably will again, if I ever vote again. But if you devoted a major part of your life, energy, and money, over months, and then he only got that predictable 1%, you'd rightfully wonder why you did all that, and whether more profitable investments of all that time, energy, and money could have been made.

[moostraks]

So moonstruk, you twist R A Torrey into Dr. Oral Roberts. Let's see what R. A. Torrey said about Dr. Oral Roberts who will follow 40 years later:

Do not study commentaries, lesson helps or other books about the Bible: study the Bible itself. Do not study about the Bible, study the Bible. The Bible is the Word of God, and only the Bible is the Word of God. - R. A. Torrey

I hope this answers your question moonstuk. moonstruk, are you suggesting that people should not pray?

Matthew 6:9"Pray, then, in this way:
‘Our Father who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.

10‘Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven.

I don't twist anything. It is you doing the praying and expecting a specific outcome. So must be nice to have a god you can command for specific results.

[69360]

The Liberterian party will never win a state or local election. All the average voter sees them as is the party that wants legal heroin and nambla.

That said I voted LP in the last presidential election. It was a protest, I didn't like either major party candidate.

I'm under no illusion their candidate can "easily win" or win at all. I won't help them win that 2% with my time or money either, it's pointless and hopeless. In 40 years they have never won a statewide or nationwide race. I don't see how much clearer it could be, it's not going to happen for them.

[Christian Liberty]

Good, then you won't waste time with the LP.

Now that's just silly. If you were condemning people who vote Libertarian regardless of the ticket, fine. If you're condemning people who actually voted for Robert Savaris over Cuccinelli, fine. But to just say that someone should NEVER support an LP candidate? Come on. I GUARANTEE there are more good LP candidates than there are good Republican candidates.

[erowe1]

Now that's just silly. If you were condemning people who vote Libertarian regardless of the ticket, fine. If you're condemning people who actually voted for Robert Savaris over Cuccinelli, fine. But to just say that someone should NEVER support an LP candidate? Come on. I GUARANTEE there are more good LP candidates than there are good Republican candidates.

I wasn't really talking about just voting. I had heavy involvement in mind.

[R.G]

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Florida Needs Adrian Wyllie for Governorby JOHN SCIANNA (http://bitcoinmagazine.com/author/john-scianna/) on AUGUST 29, 2014

“I think voting is great, but, if I have to choose between a douche and a turd, I just don’t see the point.” – Stan MarshWell, great news Florida voters, you have a third option. Adrian Wyllie (http://wyllieforgovernor.com/), Florida’s Libertarian Gubernatorial Candidate, is running on a platform to keep government out of our personal lives, reduce unnecessary regulations and cut taxes.
Florida’s gubernatorial race is an interesting one; besides Wyllie, his two main competitors have an unique past.
Rick Scott, the current Republican governor, has one of lowest approval ratings (http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/which-governors-are-most-vulnerable-in-2014/)among governors in the country. I reached out to his office for comment but had no reply.
Scott is nothing short of a controversial political figure; Florida’s Democratic Party (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28A95EwrnAs)points out how Scott “oversaw the largest Medicare fraud in the nation’s history,” as CEO & Chairman of the Hospital Corporation of America (http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2014/mar/03/florida-democratic-party/rick-scott-rick-scott-oversaw-largest-medicare-fra/). In addition, Scott passed a law requiring welfare recipients to take drug tests (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/28/rick-scott-drug-testing_n_5405768.html), which was halted on constitutional grounds. Moreover, Scott has been pushing a campaign on how many jobs he has created, despite the fact that this was in a large effect the result of the country’s economic recovery.
Charlie Crist, the Democratic candidate, is the former governor of Florida but quit mid-term in an unsuccessful bid to pursue a US senate seat and now he wants his old job back. Crist was Republican at the time; however, he then changed his political affiliations to independent but is now running as a Democrat. I also tried to reach out to Crist but received no reply.
Crist has an interesting past of his own and it is the subject of a smear campaign (https://www.dropbox.com/s/azlxr5g26ak4tqo/Untitled%20Project%2019-HD%20720p.mov)paid for by the Republican Party of Florida. The party accuses Crist of accepting donations from billionaire ponzi schemer Scott Rothstein so Rothstein could have influence in the judicial appointment process. Rothstein even said in a testimony that he “was able to convince [Crist] to appoint people to judicial positions,” according to Politifact (http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2014/aug/25/republican-party-florida/republicans-ad-says-scott-rothstein-bought-charlie/).
Adrian Wyllie isn’t a lawyer or a career politician, he’s a military vet, political activist and an business man. Wyllie is the president of a white hat information technology company that does computer consulting in the Tampa Bay area. Wyllie has a commitment to technology and small businesses because they will continue to make Florida great.
That’s why Wyllie is a bitcoiner; he has been mining the digital currency as a hobby for over a year, and he is even accepting it for his campaign. In January, Wyllie even spoke at the North American Bitcoin Conference in Miami and talked about his campaign.
Florida’s political races have always been a bit on the untraditional side, but now Florida has a chance to vote for someone who adamantly fights for the people’s rights and liberties.
The most open critics to these threats to our rights have been Libertarians like Adrian Wyllie. Wyllie recently got arrested for driving without a license, in protest of Florida’s “REAL ID Act.” The law in Wyllie’s view is eerily similar to Nazi Germany’s laws which made it easier to pick out enemies of the state. Today’s identification photos are taken with biometric cameras and put into a government database, just like if you were a criminal, which is why Wyllie is protesting.
Wyllie would bring a much needed change to the state and wants to promote the Bitcoin industry. Florida is already home to many Bitcoin businesses like Cryptsy, BitJack BTMs, and Trucoin.
When I asked Wyllie what he would do for the Bitcoin Industry, he replied:

“I would champion competing currencies legislation that would lift any barriers to transacting business in alternative and cryptocurrencies. My Intrastate Commerce Act would lift federal regulations for banks and financial institutions that operate exclusively in Florida, creating a market more conducive to widespread acceptance of alternative currencies.”
There is no doubt that Bitcoin startups bring high paying jobs to the community. Florida, no matter who gets elected, should try to embrace these small businesses (http://www.forbes.com/sites/perianneboring/2014/05/12/why-small-businesses-and-president-obama-would-be-wise-to-jump-on-the-bitcoin-spaceship/). About half of all Bitcoin startups in the world have been in the US and most of those have been in the Silicon Valley area. Florida is a big financial hub for South America; the Brickell area has even been called the Wall Street of Miami (http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/print-edition/2013/08/23/international-banking-turned-brickell.html?page=all)because of the dense amount of international banks located in the district.
With recent regulations regarding bitcoin and lobbyists going to Washington to fight on both sides of the issue and BitLicense, bitcoin is going to be a topic of discussion in the coming political season – which is why Florida needs someone to protect Bitcoin.
So, I am calling upon YOU, the community, to help Adrian Wyllie out, spread the word, donate your time, or bits, whatever you can do to help out.
Wyllie will be taking part in several debates, so please make sure you watch:


Monday, Sept. 29, at the University of Florida and will air from 6:30 to 7:30pm
Friday, Oct. 10 WSCV Telemundo 51
Wednesday, Oct. 15, at Broward College and will air from 7:00 to 8:00pm
Tuesday, Oct. 21 Sponsored by CNN

If you’re going to vote, be informed and choose wisely.
Disclaimer: The author of this post is tired of the typical politician.


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[R.G]

Florida Gubernatorial Hopeful Once Begged to Be Arrested (http://pjmedia.com/blog/florida-gubernatorial-hopeful-once-begged-to-be-arrested/)Libertarian Adrian Wyllie to PJM: "If I find a law that is unjust and unconstitutional, I will willfully disobey it.”

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The Libertarian candidate in Florida’s gubernatorial election is not satisfied to be just an ideologue or even a spoiler in the November election.
Adrian Wyllie, who served in the U.S. Army’s 56th Air Defense Artillery and the 53rd Infantry Brigade, wants to win, he expects to win, and he has a plan set for his first day in office.
“Day One, the first thing I do, even before I sit down at my desk, will be to instruct the IT department to install a webcam system which will stream all meetings I have live on the Internet,” he said. “We are going to introduce real transparency and go after the corruption that is rampant in Tallahassee.”

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[Christian Liberty]

I wasn't really talking about just voting. I had heavy involvement in mind.

OK, what's wrong with it? Saying you shouldn't do it because you won't win is like saying we shouldn't fight for a stateless society because we're unlikely to win. Who cares?

Mind you, I'm not suggesting turning down real incremental progress in order to make a point. But when both options suck, why not?

[OrlandoChris]

Are the people on this forum really that easy to take?
Easy to take? Should we all just play our video games, watch our sports while our country is being taken over? Should we all just give in and vote for tyranny and become slaves? I am surprised to see some of the posts on the Ron Paul forums that are exact opposite of what Ron Paul would say. Here in Florida we actually have a rare chance to have a good man as Governor and I am supporting him, what the hell is wrong with that?

[OrlandoChris]

@ 69360 : Adrian Wyllie has got up to 16% MONTHS before the election, what is this 2% BS you're trying to shovel? Don't understand why a person from Maine would even comment on this Florida issue. We have 3 candidates to choose from, 2 of the 3 have all ready been Governor here and are hated. Both have horrible records. The Republicans don't like their candidate, Democrat's don't like theirs either. Nearly 12% of registered Republicans have declared they are voting for Adrian Wyllie and 14% of Democrats have too. With that, include all the Libertarian party, Constitution party AND the mass majority of the 3rd largest voting block (Independent/NPA) , that adds up to a damn good chance Adrian Wyllie will win. If you had to vote for one of three, Rick Scott (R) (Hitler), Charlie Crist (D) (Obama) OR Adrian Wyllie (L) (Ron Paul), who would you support? If you want to vote for Republicans or Democrats in your state and watch it fall a part, you are free to do so, but be prepared to suffer the results. As for me, I will stand up and fight for my state and my country. I am American, what do you call yourself?

[CPUd]

I will be writing in Ron Paul for Governor.

[OrlandoChris]

You may be a part of the problem. You should be ashamed of yourself. Ask Ron Paul who he would vote for if he lived in Florida, Rick Scott, Charlie Crist or Adrian Wyllie. If you don't like Libertarians, why would you be on a Ron Paul site? Maybe you would fit in more on a NPR or MSNBC site.

[CPUd]

Ron Paul was the LP candidate for President in 1988.

[OrlandoChris]

The Liberterian party will never win a state or local election. All the average voter sees them as is the party that wants legal heroin and nambla.

That said I voted LP in the last presidential election. It was a protest, I didn't like either major party candidate.

I'm under no illusion their candidate can "easily win" or win at all. I won't help them win that 2% with my time or money either, it's pointless and hopeless. In 40 years they have never won a statewide or nationwide race. I don't see how much clearer it could be, it's not going to happen for them.

You are ridiculous.

[R.G]

I wasn't really talking about just voting. I had heavy involvement in mind.

erowe1, Libertarian Adrian Wyllie answered your comment yesterday, "“Voters are tired of the Democratic and Republican duopoly. I am the underdog, and I have a good shot at winning this election,” Wyllie said. “I’m the only honest candidate in this race.”

http://www.newsherald.com/polopoly_fs/1.366822.1409451356!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_445/adrian-wyllie.jpg
Libertarian’s ‘Brewery Tour’ makes stop in Panama City (http://www.newsherald.com/news/government/libertarian-s-brewery-tour-makes-stop-in-panama-city-1.366821)

[69360]

@ 69360 : Adrian Wyllie has got up to 16% MONTHS before the election, what is this 2% BS you're trying to shovel? Don't understand why a person from Maine would even comment on this Florida issue. We have 3 candidates to choose from, 2 of the 3 have all ready been Governor here and are hated. Both have horrible records. The Republicans don't like their candidate, Democrat's don't like theirs either. Nearly 12% of registered Republicans have declared they are voting for Adrian Wyllie and 14% of Democrats have too. With that, include all the Libertarian party, Constitution party AND the mass majority of the 3rd largest voting block (Independent/NPA) , that adds up to a damn good chance Adrian Wyllie will win. If you had to vote for one of three, Rick Scott (R) (Hitler), Charlie Crist (D) (Obama) OR Adrian Wyllie (L) (Ron Paul), who would you support? If you want to vote for Republicans or Democrats in your state and watch it fall a part, you are free to do so, but be prepared to suffer the results. As for me, I will stand up and fight for my state and my country. I am American, what do you call yourself?

Your guy is going to lose. There is zero chance of victory. If you want to do a protest vote, great go for it. But if you are investing your time and money in a LP candidate and think there is any chance at all of victory or more than low single digit returns you will be extremely depressed after the election.

Here is the real polling-

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2014/governor/fl/florida_governor_scott_vs_crist-3545.html

The leftover 14% is not for your guy as you seem to assume, it's mostly undecided.


You are ridiculous.

No, realistic.


The truth hurts. Hopefully the 2 of you are idealistic kids who haven't learned the realities of politics yet, you kind of come off like that. If you are grown adults believing the LP can win governor of FL, I truly feel sorry for you.

[limequat]

Hate to say it guys, 360 is right. I remember being at this same spot 6.5 years ago. I stayed up until 2 AM (with many others on this board) as we watched the results from the NH primary. I firmly believed in my heart-of-hearts that Ron Paul would win. How could any rational person NOT vote for Ron Paul once they heard about him? And we made SURE they knew by waving signs and crashing internet polls and telling anyone who would listen (or not). Besides NH is the Live Free or Die state! It's full of libertarians!

Ron Paul got 7.7% in the 2008 NH primary. The polls were dead on. BUT, the missing ballots! The voting was rigged! But, but...no. This couldn't happen. But it did.

My advice to those of you that believe this Florida libertarian guy has a shot, is to act on it. Spend your time and eating-out money like we all did in 2007. Tell your friends and family.

But when the election comes around and you fight for 5% of the vote, don't skulk away. Take lessons learned and move on to the next battle. Those of us that have been there will pick our battles a little more carefully.

[R.G]

Making History in Florida!
http://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/enten-datalab-crist-1.png?w=610&h=462
Crist And Scott Could Make History by Being So Unpopular in Florida (http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/crist-and-scott-could-make-history-by-being-so-unpopular-in-florida/)While the national political scene has decayed into polarized (http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-house-and-senate-are-the-most-divided-theyve-been-in-our-lifetimes/)stagnation (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/04/10/president-obama-said-the-113th-congress-is-the-least-productive-ever-is-he-right/), Americans’ views of state governments have remained mostly positive (http://www.people-press.org/2013/04/15/state-govermnents-viewed-favorably-as-federal-rating-hits-new-low/). That’s probably part of the reason why governors seem to have an advantage when running for president (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-governors-advantage-in-presidential-races-is-bigger-than-you-thought/). Yet in Florida, home to one of the nation’s marquee gubernatorial races, Democrat Charlie Crist and Republican incumbent Rick Scott are teetering on becoming the least-liked pair of candidates for any governor’s race.

[CPUd]

He could crack 10%, but he needs about $20 million 6 months ago.

[R.G]

He could crack 10%, but he needs about $20 million 6 months ago.

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/3513/evilfool.jpg CUPd your guy isn't going to win, sorry.

[R.G]

Do you two believe in the easter bunny as well?

Seriously how long have you been involved in politics? The LP has never held ANY statewide office no less national office. If your guy gets lucky and does really well he might get 2%.

69210, did I ever tell you about the TIME I helped Dr. Greg Ganske (R-IA) way back in the pea-picking-past in 1996, right after I enrolled the first tax-free Medical Savings Account (MSA) in the United States? Ya, the tax-free MSA/HSA has been the center-piece of Republican Health Care Reform for the last 20 years. Plus, I'm sharp enough to understand that the tax-free MSA/HSA is also a corner-stone of the Ownership Society(OS). If you know what I mean.

I can't tell you about OrlandoChris because I have never asked him that question. He says I should change my name to TampaBayRG but I say, "NO". I was telling OrlandChris that it certainly would make everybody's life a whole lot easier if he changed his name to OC. We don't have much TIME you know before we take over, just 65 days. I hope good ole OC gets some rest here this holiday weekend, because hez been working like a dog.

http://wyllieforgovernor.com/wp-content/uploads/april15-286x300.jpg

[R.G]

http://www.rebrand.com/stuff/contentmgr/files/e1f91f74d6d6587db162a75bc513f11f/misc/assurant_2.jpg

[R.G]

FOX News Propaganda With Monkey With PHD, Dr. Merrill Matthews

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59S6VXwF-BQ

Dr. Merrill Matthew says, "Costs have gone up $5,500 per family with Obamacare." The TRUTH is, a 30-year-old family with 2 children can get the HSA Bronze plan for $467/month today in Volutia County, Florida. That comes out to $5,604/year. So Matthews thinks it used to be $5,500/year less or $104/year for family coverage. What a Hoze Monster. I should call the Institute for Public Policy (http://www.ipi.org/ipi_issues/detail/big-rise-in-health-care-premiums-in-time-for-midterm-races)and ask how much they are spending on Dr. Matthew's insurance. I would bet it is more than what it costs on the exchange. To bad Obama doesn't have anybody that can explain ObamaCare. I'm pretty busy so I can't help him. I will say that getting Richard Simmons to sell ObamaCare was a VERY STUPID move by the Obama Administration. Lucky the Obama Administration is so stupid or we might all be in trouble.

Dr Merrill Matthews - who you jivin' with that Cosmik Debri?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm9RqatOby0

[Feelgood]

I am no Rick Scott fan, and deplore the opportunist Crist, BUT Wyllie has about as much a chance of being Governor, as Ron Paul does of being President.

I feel much better abstaining and not playing into the delusion that our votes even matter. After two election cycles of watching Ron Paul, I have come to the conclusion, it just doesnt matter anymore. I am more apathetic now, than I was before I knew about Ron Paul. What I wouldn't give to be able to go back in time and choose the blue pill instead. At least then I would be able to live the illusion of being happy.

[MelissaWV]

It really helps the cause you guys are here for when you insult the people attempting to point out your flawed logic. Really.

I do think Wyllie will do better than expected (by the bulk of the MSM, for instance) but it would take a catastrophic blizzard in Hell before he actually won, and even then I'm pretty sure there'd be some way of calling for a do-over.

[R.G]

It really helps the cause you guys are here for when you insult the people attempting to point out your flawed logic. Really.

I do think Wyllie will do better than expected (by the bulk of the MSM, for instance) but it would take a catastrophic blizzard in Hell before he actually won, and even then I'm pretty sure there'd be some way of calling for a do-over.

Thank you MelissaWV, you are correct we are going to do so much better that what the media is currently reporting. There is so much money in this race it's mind blowing. That last poll was the best that money can buy. You sound exactly like my wife. But, she has agreed to go to the kick-off party at Wyllie Campaign HQ this Saturday night, it's about 5 minutes from our home. She hates politics. She does customer service on the oldest HSAs in the United States. She is smart. She has always said that she wished we could take politics out of the tax-free HSA. I tell her that's like trying to take the red out of ketchup, can't be done yet. I know that as soon as she meets Adrian she is going to immediately fall in love with him, she is DAR, it's in her DNA.

I don't expect anything from the RPF, I have never asked anybody for anything here. I certainly haven't asked for a money bomb. But, I am arranging Adrian to speak to various groups of real estate investors because a guy named Peter Fortunato, a Libertarian, insisted I do that. But I know we are not going to win because of money. Ideas are more valuable than money. So, around 9-11 we are going to spend $499 for an e-release that will go to every newspaper, radio station, 30,000 reporters and more. We are going after Rick Scott. We have 4 million uninsured Floridians and the next Governor should know something about healthcare policy.

You will see, it's going to be fun. As soon as this race is over the very next day the 2016 Presidential race begins. I was a Rand Paul Republican a long time before I became a Wyllie Libertarian. The 1st debate is in my home town, Ames, Iowa, on 8/15/2015. I hope it's Hillary the Democrats choose. I already have Wyllie's endorsement for Rand. Of course Adrian likes Rand, Wyllie is a big Ron Paul supporter and Vise Versa.

http://wyllieforgovernor.com/wp-content/uploads/fbbanner1-300x111.jpg

[OrlandoChris]

The last point I want to make here is, I have a choice between 3, 2 are the type of criminals all of you complain about and say we need to get rid of and 1 is someone who would make a good Governor. I choose the good guy, that's what I can do and will do. If any of you want to vote for one of the two criminals, go at it. As for the ones of you that say that you don't want to do anything, again, go for it. Could you do a favor for all the ones like me that are at least trying, and stop complaining about how bad things are when you sit back and let it happen or even worse, endorse it by voting for criminals. You want all out tyranny? You will have it sooner than you think if you don't get off your ass and at least TRY to do something. You will be just as much to blame as the evil ones.

[helmuth_hubener]

The Liberterian party will never win a state or local election. Inaccurate.


In 40 years they have never won a statewide or nationwide race. Inaccurate.

[erowe1]

You may be a part of the problem. You should be ashamed of yourself. Ask Ron Paul who he would vote for if he lived in Florida, Rick Scott, Charlie Crist or Adrian Wyllie. If you don't like Libertarians, why would you be on a Ron Paul site? Maybe you would fit in more on a NPR or MSNBC site.

I doubt that he'd vote.

How is that being part of the problem anyway?

[erowe1]

Inaccurate.

Inaccurate.

If you know those claims to be inaccurate, then would you please name the LP candidates who have ever won any statewide or nationwide races?

[helmuth_hubener]

Examples, not exhaustive (one would be sufficient):
Adam Dick, Wisconsin State Elections Board
Mariam Luce, New Hampshire State Liquor Commission
John Babiarz, New Hampshire Efficiency in Government Commission

The United States has no nationwide races, other than President and vice-President.

[MelissaWV]

Examples, not exhaustive (one would be sufficient):
Adam Dick, Wisconsin State Elections Board
Mariam Luce, New Hampshire State Liquor Commission
John Babiarz, New Hampshire Efficiency in Government Commission

The United States has no nationwide races, other than President and vice-President.

He likely meant for Federal office.

I don't think there will NEVER be an LP Governor, but it seems unlikely that Florida would be the place to break that barrier, particularly now and with this race.

[helmuth_hubener]

He likely meant for Federal office.

I don't think there will NEVER be an LP Governor, but it seems unlikely that Florida would be the place to break that barrier, particularly now and with this race.

I certainly agree.

Chris and R.G., while we all appreciate your enthusiasm and contributions I'm sure, having a longer-term perspective would be in order, don't you think? There is more to life than the next election.

[Wooden Indian]

I wouldn't go broke on this candidate (just based on location- LP in Florida aint happening) but I certainly will vote for him, after my due diligence of course.

Hell, I voted for Johnson as my protest vote for 2012 and I'm not that high on Johnson. Just to make my own point, I felt I needed to.
Thanks for the tip on your guy. Will research him.

[OrlandoChris]

I wouldn't go broke on this candidate (just based on location- LP in Florida aint happening) but I certainly will vote for him, after my due diligence of course.

Hell, I voted for Johnson as my protest vote for 2012 and I'm not that high on Johnson. Just to make my own point, I felt I needed to.
Thanks for the tip on your guy. Will research him.

I agree with you. The bottom line is he is the only candidate that deserves my vote and he will get my vote. I'm not saying just because I'm going to vote for him, that he will win. I don't vote to bet on being with the winning team. If he wins or if he loses, I did the best I could to help and I did the right thing. I am only one person, I can't change the world on my own, but I can do my part. I will NEVER vote for the 'lessor of two evils' again. I'm glad there is another choice for me in this election and I would be stupid and a hypocrite if I didn't vote for him. Sure I can stay home and not vote thinking 'oh, he won't win anyway' or I could do even worse and vote for a globalist scumbag, thereby aiding the enemy. I choose to vote for Adrian Wyllie.

[erowe1]

Examples, not exhaustive (one would be sufficient):
Adam Dick, Wisconsin State Elections Board
Mariam Luce, New Hampshire State Liquor Commission
John Babiarz, New Hampshire Efficiency in Government Commission

The United States has no nationwide races, other than President and vice-President.

None of those were by winning elections. They were all appointed to those positions.

Have any LP candidates ever in history won any statewide elections?

[The Free Hornet]

Are the people on this forum really that easy to take?

You've 100% missed the point of supporting a candidate. I'm surprised anybody on this forum is really that stupid. You've fallen for the biggest scam of TPTB. Don't try to pussyfoot out of this by restricting scope to "can he win" bullshit. The first supporter and the one to make a plurality candidate can each logically believe with equal vigor. It's not your place to rain on their parade. That's why dumbfucks spend so much on cable bills so the MSM can rain on the parade. Where's your cut for being a wet blanket? That's right, you got shit.


I feel much better abstaining and not playing into the delusion that our votes even matter.

I won't try to convince you voting matters, but if you do vote, vote 3rd party (or a STRONG liberty candidate like Paul, Amash, etc).

Here is copy/paste article. Basically, not voting third party is bad game theory [click the link, read the article - copied so it doesn't get lost to the ages (http://satyagraha.wordpress.com/2008/02/17/game-theory-and-the-american-two-party-racket/)]:


Game Theory and the American Two-Party Racket (http://satyagraha.wordpress.com/2008/02/17/game-theory-and-the-american-two-party-racket/)
[satyagraha wordpress page (http://satyagraha.wordpress.com/new/)]

Here we refer again to a recurring theme of this site: how American politics is, under the present regime, basically a one party system, with two colluding “wings” — Democrats and Republicans.

The argument presented in this post is that this is exactly what you’d expect to find if a single special interest coalition wished to control a country. Suppose, for the sake of argument, that in some hypothetical country there was a group of people who wished to control the government and to benefit themselves by manipulating government decisions in ways that were potentially harmful to the population at large.

Suppose, further, that these ruling interests first founded or bankrolled a single party only, which tried to gain control of the government. That might work in a dictatorship, but in a democracy like the United States, where people can in theory vote an aversive regime, it is difficult. After a few years, people would get tired of the oppression, identify the government as the cause, and elect a new government. Therefore it would not be in the interests of such vested interests to form a single party only, and to try to control the government by that means.

Suppose instead, then, that this group formed two nominal parties, and that these two parties shared control of the government, alternating, so that only one was in power at any given time. By this means the special interests could then exploit a population indefinitely. When the public got tired of the oppression of party A, then party B could come to the fore, denouncing party A. People could then vote party B into office, believing that in this way they had acted to end oppression. However, under the conditions of the example, party B would also be “owned” by the special interests. Nothing really would change. In this way, the special interests would become effectively immune to the corrective actions of public indignation.

Crucial to this scheme would to to convince people that they must vote only for one of these two main parties, and to dissuade them from voting for third-party candidates. One effective means for this is to dominate news media with coverage of two main parties. A second strategy would rely on the ultimate tried-and-true principle for mass manipulation: fear. That is, make both main party candidates so extreme that people will be forced to vote against one of them; this is facilitated by selecting platforms that divide the electorate as close as possible to a 50/50 split — that way nobody will be willing to vote for a third-party candidate, because each person believes that his or her own vote is crucial in preventing the less desirable mainstream candidate from winning.

This would be the perfect racket, scheme, or con-game. It would let vested interests remain in power indefinitely, continuing to exploit the population. Now, (1) since this would indeed be a very effective strategy for powerful vested interests, and would benefit them greatly, (2) since existing American special interests (big finance, defense contractors, etc.) are quite capable of manipulating two different parties, and (3) since, as outlined above, it gains them very little to manipulate only a single party, then we must seriously consider that this dual-party manipulation is actually occurring.

We might also note some specific evidence of this. First, it is well known that many corporations make campaign contributions to both the Democrats and the Republicans. There is absolutely nothing to prevent this. (Anyone who still thinks that big business only contributes to the Republicans is very naive!) Second, the news media (which is part of big business) tells us very little about third-party and independent political candidates and viewpoints. Rather, they devote inordinate amounts of space to petty squabbles between the Republicans and the Democrats, which fits with our model here.

Okay, that’s the argument. Some readers probably already accept that this is going on. Others are welcome to think about it. If you do agree that this is what’s happening, the answer is obvious: one should vote for some party other than the Republicans/Democrats. Even if this doesn’t change the government in 2012, it serves as a protest vote. It will gradually (or perhaps not so gradually) force the Republicans and Democrats to develop more rational and productive platforms. Further, it signifies that you yourself have extricated yourself from the game.

Most of all, I wish to encourage people reconsider entrenched ways of thinking about Republicans versus Democrats. If the model proposed here is correct, then if one is a staunch Democrat who hates Republicans, or vice versa, then I propose that one is succumbing to the false rhetoric of these parties; one is buying into the specious controversies which the parties and their special interest owners engineer to give the mere appearance of their having two different points of views..

Look at the evidence. Yes, we’ve had a Democrat in the White House for 4 years, and things are bad. But before that we had Republican president for 8 years, and things were bad then. Previous to that, we had a Democrat president along with a deeply troubled economy and imperialistic foreign policy. (True, on paper, the economy then was booming in the 90’s. But how much of that was the result of a hyperinflated stock market? Everyone was delighted when their pension plans, heavily invested in the stock market, doubled in value. But who was asking if this was sustainable? Or moral?) At the same time people were still working like dogs in high-stress jobs, commuting 1 hour to and from work, and breathing polluted air. The country then, as now, suffered from massive epidemics of stress-related psychosomatic diseases. In short, the quality of life was bad under Clinton, a Democrat, under George W. Bush, a Republican, and now under Obama, a Democrat. During none of these administrations was there anything even remotely close to a realistic long-term vision or plan for the country.

We can keep going back and forth like this, changing the name and the superficial appearance of the ruling party, telling ourselves that it matters; or we can wake up and smell the coffee, and throw both sets of bums out of office. What’ll it be?

Related post: Why Vote Third-Party? (http://satyagraha.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/why-vote-third-party/)

[bolil]

"You've 100% missed the point of supporting a candidate. I'm surprised anybody on this forum is really that stupid. You've fallen for the biggest scam of TPTB. Don't try to pussyfoot out of this by restricting scope to "can he win" bullshit. The first supporter and the one to make a plurality candidate can each logically believe with equal vigor. It's not your place to rain on their parade. That's why dumbfucks spend so much on cable bills so the MSM can rain on the parade. Where's your cut for being a wet blanket? That's right, you got shit."

In the light of what happened in Iowa, I stand by my statement. Just because someone claims a label does not grant them my support. I wonder what his organization will do with leftover cash after the ballots are cast? Mmmm? Yeah, I am highly skeptical that people will run as a libertarian or whatever because its a proven way to make money on "donations." If you got a problem with that, it is your problem. Deal with it, kiddo. I am not saying that is the case here, but when a new member posts for fundraising, my eyebrows are going up for sure. Why didn't the man himself come?

And no, I'll not "fuck-off".

[Feelgood]

The bottom line is he is the only candidate that deserves my vote and he will get my vote.

What exactly has he done to "deserve" your vote? No candidate deserves anything from me. If I vote for them I do so because I choose to, and believe they are the best of the choices before me. If I contribute to their campaign, it is because I choose to do so and want to do so, not because I feel that candidate deserves anything. I agree that voting for the lessor of two evils, is wrong. You are still voting for evil. If you think simply abstaining aids the enemy, then you are clueless as to how things really work. I am guessing you are young, early to mid 20 range? I walked around with my head in the clouds then as well.


I won't try to convince you voting matters, but if you do vote, vote 3rd party (or a STRONG liberty candidate like Paul, Amash, etc).


I know how to vote, if I *choose* to do so. Last election, I wrote in Ron Paul, and it felt great. If Rand gets the nomination, not only will I vote for him, but I will make sure to drag my friends kicking and screaming to the booths to vote for him as well. At this time, I am not convinced even Rand Paul can pull off getting the nomination. I have watched things long enough to know, how things work. When we come up with a winning game plan that is making end roads, THEY change the rules mid game to their favor. When our candidate is about to score and win, THEY move the goal line to deny a win. When we do pull off a win, THEY spin it to make it look like a loss OR re-write the rules and manipulate the numbers to change the outcome OR they just completely block everything from the media and ignore the win.

What you guys dont seem to understand, is you are playing a COMPLETELY rigged game! If it were Russian roulette, they would hand you a gun with 6 bullets in it, spin the chamber, hand it to you with a wink of the eye, and guess what? You are going to lose. Keep playing the game if you wish. I will sit by and laugh at all the fodder you provide for me. At this point, it is more entertaining than reality.

Go ahead guys, send the neg rep and nasty PM's. Not like I havent received them before. At least my feet are planted firmly on the ground, and I live in a land of reality.

[The Free Hornet]

What you guys dont seem to understand, is you are playing a COMPLETELY rigged game!

I posted an article about this (http://satyagraha.wordpress.com/2008/02/17/game-theory-and-the-american-two-party-racket/) and will reiterate that TPTB rely on people pushing the futility myth. Something rigged can be unrigged if you know how they did it.

Added: Cancel your cable/dish subscriptions. For every $2 you send them, you ought to send $1 to a liberty movement just to cancel out all the harm the MSM causes.



Go ahead guys, send the neg rep and nasty PM's. Not like I havent received them before. At least my feet are planted firmly on the ground, and I live in a land of reality.

OK...


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Feelgood again.

Seems like I must neg some others before I neg you again! FWIW, I hope you aren't talking about MY PM in response to YOUR nasty PM:


Re: derp

Quote Originally Posted by Feelgood
You are an idiot. How is that for think voting?

dumbass

To which, all I PM'd back was:


That's your alternative? It's too bad typos didn't sink some constitutional amendments. They matter less than you think.

Nor was my neg rep all that nasty:


Thread: Libertarian candidate for Florida Governor 2014 Adrian Wyllie

you really shouldn't be here then ... if think voting doesn't matter, either keep it to yourself or provide your non-blue-pill alternative

So whoever is sending you nasty messages, I sure hope they stop!!!

[bolil]

I posted an article about this (http://satyagraha.wordpress.com/2008/02/17/game-theory-and-the-american-two-party-racket/) and will reiterate that TPTB rely on people pushing the futility myth. Something rigged can be unrigged if you know how they did it.

Added: Cancel your cable/dish subscriptions. For every $2 you send them, you ought to send $1 to a liberty movement just to cancel out all the harm the MSM causes.




OK...



Seems like I must neg some others before I neg you again! FWIW, I hope you aren't talking about MY PM in response to YOUR nasty PM:



To which, all I PM'd back was:



Nor was my neg rep all that nasty:



So whoever is sending you nasty messages, I sure hope they stop!!!

Choribum. That is what you would be. Pretty petty for a free hornet.

[The Free Hornet]

Choribum. [Educate me... what's the connection?] That is what you would be. Pretty petty for a free hornet.

But yes I'm petty. I just don't piss on the promotion of a non-two-party liberty candidate polling 9% (!) (http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/meet-adrian-wyllie-the-outlaw-libertarian-in-floridas-governors-race/2193197).

Nor do I believe that support should be conditioned on

a) a strong chance of winning (or a guarantee as some seem to require)
b) not having hurt feelings .... sawwwy! your big strong guy lost!

I suspect people like you and Feelgood would only go to war if you were guaranteed victory and had zero chance of dying. Sorry if the world doesn't work that way. I'm not claiming blind, unconditional support is required but I do believe it is hard to win a campaign with everybody and the "supporters" believing it isn't even a remote possibility. And that is exactly what you and Feelgood implied. Do you show up at a fundraiser, "Here's money, your guy doesn't have a chance in hell, thanks for the button, bye!"?

There is a reason more people remember Ross Perot and Ralph Nader despite losing elections, their influence affects how the major parties attract voters (particularly when the votes of your guy, plus a guy nominally on your 'wing' comprise a majority or exceed the plurality winner). If you want liberty candidates, vote for liberty candidates.

You know who 'threw their votes away'? People who didn't vote for Ron Paul in 1988. What a bunch of assholes!

[R.G]

WOW - thank you RPF. I do a google search on Adrian Wyllie on the web, restrict it to the last 24 hours, and this post comes up #1, crazy. I guess that the RPF is the only place in America that is discussing the next Governor of Florida! I have noticed how the world can be a bit lethargic.

Number 2 is a radio interview with a liberal who hates Democratic candidate Charlie Crist, too funny. The Liberal host tries to give Wyllie problems but he is converted by the time the interview is over and asks Wyllie to come back to the show when he is Governor. Listen to the interview if you want here:

The BONE (http://www.theboneonline.com/Player/102371421/)

[RonPaulFanInGA]

The Libertarian Party simply does not want to win. The best example of that is back in 2010. Lisa Murkowski lost the GOP nomination to Joe Miller, and attempted to get on the ballot with the Libertarian Party, and they refused, and Murkowski went on to wage a successful write-in campaign.

The Libertarian Party had the perfect chance to wash away the stink of never winning anything important in forty-something years of existence, and passed it up. For what? They didn't prevent Murkowski from getting back into the Senate, nor did their candidate get anything other than single-digits.

[erowe1]

The Libertarian Party simply does not want to win. The best example of that is back in 2010. Lisa Murkowski lost the GOP nomination to Joe Miller, and attempted to get on the ballot with the Libertarian Party, and they refused, and Murkowski went on to wage a successful write-in campaign.

The Libertarian Party had the perfect chance to wash away the stink of never winning anything important in forty-something years of existence, and passed it up. For what? They didn't prevent Murkowski from getting back into the Senate, nor did their candidate get anything other than single-digits.

That's a good point. And it's not like they would have turned Murkowski down as a candidate if she were some no-name person with the exact same political positions she had.

[helmuth_hubener]

None of those were by winning elections. They were all appointed to those positions. Well, and of course the President is appointed by the Electoral College, or by the Senate.


Have any LP candidates ever in history won any statewide elections?
No, not to my knowledge.

[Wooden Indian]

Not a fan of his abortion stance. It's pretty consistent with most in the LP, though.
Either you're against the murder of an unborn child... or you're not, is how I see it.
Saying you are "personally against it" while saying it should be the mother's choice is a cowardice attempt to play both sides, imo. But- it is a common approach.

Still, far and away better than Scott. Will likely vote for him out of protest.

[R.G]

That's great Wooden Indian - I'm in Tampa Bay, where do you live?
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[erowe1]

Well, and of course the President is appointed by the Electoral College, or by the Senate.


That happens when the president wins a national election.

[MelissaWV]

That happens when the president wins a national election.

Not necessarily, no. It happens when the candidate wins the majority of electors, and because the electors tend to be chosen for their loyalty.


Q: How many times was a president elected who did not win the popular vote?

A: It has happened four times.

[erowe1]

Not necessarily, no. It happens when the candidate wins the majority of electors, and because the electors tend to be chosen for their loyalty.

Those four cases are still cases where the president won the election according to the rules of the election, which is not based on popular vote.

It's perfectly fair to say the President has to win a national election.

It's not fair to say that somebody appointed to the New Hampshire liquor commission has won a statewide election.

[R.G]

erowe1, because of you and all of your negativity I went looking for another Libertarian I could help win in November. First of all there are not many in America that are really running. I call the babe in Iowa, my home state, running for Governor but she is a physician who hasn't had a campaign stop since March, not good. But, because she is a physician I just called her office and her campaign manager SAMANTHA is going to email me, I can hardly wait. But, if you can believe this there is another one in of all places -- FLORIDA. This guy, Lucus, is running for Congress. So I call him and say my name and said, "You should give me a call and give my phone number." So, in about 10 minutes this Lucus calls me and we talk for about 45 minutes and I fill him in on how the world is shaping up. I must say I was totally impressed with this young guy named Lucus. What is totally weird is the Democrats were so stupid they don't have anybody in the race for this congress seat in Tampa Bay, I kid you not. So it's this Libertarian kid named Luca against the Republican named Jolly with no Democrat in the race. So I'm thinking I could really use an ally in DC. So instead of just Wyllie as Governor maybe I should help this kid defeat this lawyer/politician Republican called Jolly. After all I'm a Rand Paul Republican in all states but Florida so why not. So if I help Lucus win a seat in Congress and he goes to DC it's all because of you erowe1. Thanks for making me think outside of the box.
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[erowe1]

erowe1, because of you and all of your negativity I went looking for another Libertarian I could help win in November. First of all there are not many in America that are really running. I call the babe in Iowa, my home state, running for Governor but she is a physician who hasn't had a campaign stop since March, not good. But, because she is a physician I just called her office and her campaign manager SAMANTHA is going to email me, I can hardly wait. But, if you can believe this there is another one in of all places -- FLORIDA. This guy, Lucus, is running for Congress. So I call him and say my name and said, "You should give me a call and give my phone number." So, in about 10 minutes this Lucus calls me and we talk for about 45 minutes and I fill him in on how the world is shaping up. I must say I was totally impressed with this young guy named Lucus. What is totally weird is the Democrats were so stupid they don't have anybody in the race for this congress seat in Tampa Bay, I kid you not. So it's this Libertarian kid named Luca against the Republican named Jolly with no Democrat in the race. So I'm thinking I could really use an ally in DC. So instead of just Wyllie as Governor maybe I should help this kid defeat this lawyer/politician Republican called Jolly. After all I'm a Rand Paul Republican in all states but Florida so why not. So if I help Lucus win a seat in Congress and he goes to DC it's all because of you erowe1. Thanks for making me think outside of the box.
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlWLhOEJ9zOnIFnljIBYiw6-EbQBHi0iIEkbatMlAOf-rOAJwM

We're all waiting with bated breath to see how this works out for you. Keep us posted.

[OrlandoChris]

None of those were by winning elections. They were all appointed to those positions.

Have any LP candidates ever in history won any statewide elections?


YES.

Gary Johnson, Governor of New Mexico

Jesse Ventura (even though not pure Libertarian) Governor of Minnesota.

Many other state positions by Libertarians, throughout the country.

The Libertarian party is the 3rd largest political party in the country, very close to being larger than the Republican party.

[CPUd]

Gary Johnson was elected as a Republican.

[OrlandoChris]

Thank you erowe1.
I have a friend that lives in his area that can vote for him and of course will. I can't because I'm in Orlando, but I certainly am cheering him on. The Jolly guy is NOT good at all and needs to be booted out for sure. Go Overby!!

[OrlandoChris]

Ron Paul ran on the Republican ticket. I think if you ask him he will say he is a Libertarian.

[OrlandoChris]

I agree with you on abortion. I don't like it either and would never do it, but it is one of those issues that can't be stopped by writing a law. We can outright ban abortion and it will still happen, just in more dangerous and hazardous conditions. Same as the war on drugs, a law will not stop it, so why throw massive amounts of money to something that is a huge failure? We have to come to a point of recognizing some things are purely individual choice and laws won't change it a bit, other than creating more problems and sucking more money from us in the meantime.

[erowe1]

YES.

Gary Johnson, Governor of New Mexico

Jesse Ventura (even though not pure Libertarian) Governor of Minnesota.

Many other state positions by Libertarians, throughout the country.

The Libertarian party is the 3rd largest political party in the country, very close to being larger than the Republican party.

So your "yes" is really a no. Gotcha.

[R.G]

We're all waiting with bated breath to see how this works out for you. Keep us posted.
erowe1, of course I will. I will tell you what happened. I told Lucas that our Senator Marco Rubio, some say a 2016 Presidential candidate, has on his website that he supports tax-free HSAs and that he wants to let insurance companies sell across state lines. Then I told Lucus that I talked to Marco's healthcare policy czar and said, "Hey, I can set under a palm tree here in Tampa Bay and sell to 43 states with one company, TIME Insurance Company, America's oldest health insurance company, by using my laptop. So what do you mean about selling across state lines? Of course Marco's czar didn't have a clue." Then Lucas gave me the answer, which I already knew, but it blew me away that Lucas did! This Lucas is a policy wonk!! Something you erowe1 are not, that's for sure.

I also talked to Andrew today for the 1st TIME, he runs Florida for TIME Insurance and their 3,000 agent's in the Sunshine State, and he was too easy to talk to. I just called Milwaukee and left a voice mail that said, "I enrolled America's 1st tax-free MSA with TIME would you please call me." BOOM, Andrew called me back pronto. You see at TIME, Assurant Health to most people, they know the tax-free HSA is a big deal with their 200,000 agents appointed across the USA. Andrew is 29 years old and I taught him stuff today that somebody else should have taught him already. That's the way those corporate guys are though.

When the Liberals said that the tax-free HSA was only for rich people the Bush Administration shot back, "Assurant Health reports that 40% of HSAs had no previous health insurance." That shut up those Liberals, that's for sure. You see erowe1, this is a coast to coast deal. I need a guy in DC and Lucas might work.
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[erowe1]

Something you erowe1 are not, that's for sure

How do you know? And why does it matter?

[Wooden Indian]

That's great Wooden Indian - I'm in Tampa Bay, where do you live?

Just outside of Tampa, neighbor. lol

[helmuth_hubener]

It's not fair to say that somebody appointed to the New Hampshire liquor commission has won a statewide election.That is why I did not say it. They won a "race". There was some sort of contest, some sort of selection criteria, and they won that contest and thereby succeeded in being a statewide official. The NH governor could have picked anyone to be on his efficiency commission, and the person he picked, the person who won the race called "get the governor to pick me" was John Babiarz. And, since I know you love this sort of insufferable technicality harping, I will mention that of course one could synonymously say that the winner of the race got the governor to elect him. http://www.liverpoolfc-newkit.co.uk/images/smilies/eyebrow.gif


The Libertarian party is... very close to being larger than the Republican party. Inaccurate.

[R.G]

Just outside of Tampa, neighbor. lol

Nice, so you are here where it's safe. Those Floridians 4 hours to the east are on the hurricane coast.

When we take over with the Governor's Election where do you want to celebrate? I like Capt'n Jacks in Tarpon Springs - because it's so close to drive home. I won't be moving back to Iowa any time soon. Snows till June there.
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[R.G]

How do you know? And why does it matter?
How do I know you are not talking policy or a candidate's position on issues? Because you don't, maybe you will in the future.

Why does it matter that you don't discuss a candidate's position on issues? It doesn't matter to you. You want to talk about history of other Libertarian candidates, as if that matters.

[R.G]

Democrats are swarming in Florida today trying to win this Governors race. Bring'n in the big guns.

DEMOCRATS OVER THE MOON (http://spectator.org/articles/60363/democrats-over-moon)

Then a Republican U.S. Senate candidate (incumbent Democrat Bob Graham cleaned his clock that year), Crist called on Clinton to step down because he (Clinton) had “shattered the confidence and trust of the American people…the best thing he could do for the country would be to step down from the office of president.” So, who says Charlie has always been wrong?

Crist was crooning a different tune when announcing the Clinton visit this week. “President Clinton’s been fighting on the front lines for years on the issues we care about: equal pay for women, raising the minimum wage, expanding health care to everyone who needs it, and making sure that everyone has a fair shot at success. He’s better than anyone at explaining why what we're doing matters. I’m looking forward to kicking off the final two months of this campaign with him.”

Another slick pivot and dismount by the most fluid politician in the lower 48.

No one should be surprised that Charlie has changed his mind about Clinton. He’s changed his mind about everything else, so why should he not evolve on Billy-Bob? And surely Crist recognizes a soul mate in Slick Willie. Perhaps these two old hustlers, after rousing and shaking down the marks on Friday, can reminisce about the bad-old days. They’re a matched pair. They’re both so slick you could make rides of them at a water park. They’re both so oily, if either of them campaign in your home you’ll have to get the carpets cleaned afterward.
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[R.G]

Who is Adrian Wyllie?
BY MARGIE MENZELTHE NEWS SERVICE OF FLORIDA
TALLAHASSEE – Libertarian gubernatorial candidate Adrian Wyllie has just completed a statewide tour of 30 brew pubs, discussing issues over craft beer. His campaign accepts Bitcoin. In other words, he’s running a vastly different campaign than Republican Gov. Rick Scott and Democratic former Gov. Charlie Crist.

http://daytonatimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/140904_dt_focus01.jpgAdrian Wyllie, right, selects insurance professional Greg Roe as his lieutenant governor pick. The campaign’s brew pub tours around the state have attracted a lot of attention.
(COURTESY OF WYLLIEFORGOVERNOR.COM)

But a July poll by Quinnipiac University showed Wyllie with 9 percent of the vote in a three-way race, while Crist got 39 percent and Scott had 37 percent.
“Virtually no one knows much about Wyllie, but there are a lot of Floridians who aren’t keen on either of the major party candidates,” Peter Brown, the poll’s assistant director, said at the time.
A few facts
Wyllie lives in Palm Harbor. He and his wife, Dawn, have been married 22 years and have two sons. He attended Dunedin High School and served in the U.S. Army and Florida National Guard.
A small-business owner, Wyllie is president of an IT consulting firm and co-founder of the 1787 Radio Network, which calls itself “Florida’s Voice of Liberty.” He’s also been chairman of the Libertarian Party of Florida.
The News Service of Florida has the following questions for Adrian Wyllie:
On Common Core
Q: You’ve said if elected, you’ll fight to repeal Common Core. Talk about why.
WYLLIE: Well, I firmly believe in the United States Constitution. And the federal government only has the authority to do those things which are specifically enumerated in the Constitution. Education is not one of them. Education is the realm of the state and local government. And one of the problems I see with the Common Core curriculum is that it’s coming down from upon high. And parents and teachers and students lose input when that happens.
Right now, it’s very easy for someone to get their school board member on the phone and tell them their concerns or make suggestions about curriculum. But with Common Core, everything is being flowed down from the national level, and it really takes away the local community’s ability to steer the direction of their local schools.
So my objective is to repeal Common Core and to give local school boards more authority over the curriculum and the course of their schools. And also work to ensure that the funding is directed locally to the correct places. Right now we’re spending a ton of money on education, and it’s not making it to the classrooms. We need to fix that.
On cronyism
Q: You’re also running against cronyism. But you’ve only raised about $62,000, while Scott and his supporters are on track to raise $100 million and Crist about half that. Is it possible to be elected governor without contributions from cronies who’ll expect a return?
WYLLIE: (Laughs.) The reason that you see such a large gap in fundraising between our campaign and the campaigns of Scott and Crist is exactly because of the cronyism.
We don’t have special interests or large corporations trying to buy favors from us because they know that we’re not going to be granting those special favors. We’re not going to be granting those single-source no-bid contracts at three times the market value. That’s the kind of influence that the big-money campaign financing buys. And we’re not for sale.
Yes, that is one of my highest priorities: to go after the cronyism, to go after the corruption and the waste and, in a lot of cases, fraud. And that’s how we can cut the state budget. We are very pro-business, but we’re not pro-business in the way that Republicans or Democrats think of it. They think of it as giving special favors to the corporations that came to the table. We think of it as leveling the playing field for everyone and making sure that nobody has any special barriers to entry or hurdles in their way – but by the same token, making sure no businesses have any special advantages. That’s the difference in the Libertarian free-market concept.
On personal liberty
Q: You’re also against intrusive government. Both your opponents have been governor – how would you rate their records in terms of respect for personal liberty?
WYLLIE: Horrendous. We’ve seen over both these administrations a growing encroachment in our individual freedom. We’ve seen it in the decimation of the Fourth Amendment here in the state of Florida. We’ve seen it to some degree in the seeming increase in the militarization of our local law enforcement.
We’ve seen it in the form of REAL ID (federal identification law) and government delving into our medical records to do things like prevent people from owning firearms or prevent people from potentially using a certain type of drug.
And it really has to stop. We have to stop being afraid, and we have to stand up for our freedoms, because if we continue down this path, we’re going to lose many of them forever.
On winning the race
Q: Growing numbers of independent voters, disgusted with the tone of the campaign, low turnout in a mid-year election – are you feeling you could win an unprecedented share of the vote?
WYLLIE: Oh, absolutely. I wouldn’t be in this race if I didn’t think that we had a legitimate shot to win this election. Is it a long shot? Yes. But I do believe that we have a chance to get to that 33.4 percent that it will take to win. In the mainstream polls, I’m currently polling anywhere between four and nine percent. However, our internal polling data puts us at around 15 percent.
I think what a lot of the pollsters are not taking into account is the influx of people who are not your typical super-voters or not even your typical likely voters. There’s a lot of things that are going to be drawing people to the polls this November. One of them, for instance, is Amendment 2 (a proposal to legalize medical marijuana) being on the ballot. We know that is going to be energizing, specifically, a base of young people that in no way, shape or form have any interest in voting for Crist or Scott.
So I would say that our realistic standings right now are somewhere in the teens. So that’s what we’re looking at. And if we can continue to build that momentum, which we have been, and with a solid debate performance, I really think we can change the course of this election – and we can win.

[helmuth_hubener]

Cool, good interview. Thanks!

[Anti-Neocon]

With growing discontent with the two-party system and Congressional approval ratings at rock bottom, this could be the perfect storm to getting some 3rd party candidates elected. I don't know if a Libertarian in the state of Florida is exactly the guy who's going to do it, but his loss is a self-fulfilling prophecy if the actual libertarians who can help are defeatists from the start. If I was in Florida, I'd be trying to help this guy's campaign out, at least by word of mouth, not trying to shut down his supporters.

[helmuth_hubener]

His supporters here made some ill-advised, over-the-top, clearly unrealistic statements. It was predictable that the experienced, knowledgeable, and truth-loving crowd at RPF would shoot down those statements.

Had they come and, say, posted the interview at post 94 as the opening post instead, this thread would have gone very differently. Because he actually is polling remarkably high for a gubernatorial candidate. If Wyllie got 9%, it would be huge! An astounding success! And if he got even more? 15% would be a bomb shell. Ed Thompson in Wisconsin got 10% and changed the outcome of the race; changed Wisconsin politics.

If Wyllie gets 10%, which is in my sober and calm opinion entirely possible, that would be a wonderful thing and a big victory. And in Florida, no less!

So yes, this is an excellent campaign for us to support. It would be good if R.G. and OrlandoChris were honest with themselves and with others, however, about the actual chances of winning. Acknowledge, like Wyllie, that winning is a long shot. But realize also that even getting 10% would be a great victory and very exciting.

[Anti-Neocon]

I'm pretty sure that there are certain posters here who have a conflict of interest here regarding their ties to the GOP, so I doubt how they presented the guy would've made much of a difference. I prefer the GOP strategy over the LP strategy too myself, but I really think the 3rd party strategy can work on some fronts if libertarian and libertarian-leaners stop looking at it as being futile, which may actually be a bigger obstacle to overcome than getting media exposure and the like.

[R.G]

His supporters here made some ill-advised, over-the-top, clearly unrealistic statements. It was predictable that the experienced, knowledgeable, and truth-loving crowd at RPF would shoot down those statements.

Had they come and, say, posted the interview at post 94 as the opening post instead, this thread would have gone very differently. Because he actually is polling remarkably high for a gubernatorial candidate. If Wyllie got 9%, it would be huge! An astounding success! And if he got even more? 15% would be a bomb shell. Ed Thompson in Wisconsin got 10% and changed the outcome of the race; changed Wisconsin politics.

If Wyllie gets 10%, which is in my sober and calm opinion entirely possible, that would be a wonderful thing and a big victory. And in Florida, no less!

So yes, this is an excellent campaign for us to support. It would be good if R.G. and OrlandoChris were honest with themselves and with others, however, about the actual chances of winning. Acknowledge, like Wyllie, that winning is a long shot. But realize also that even getting 10% would be a great victory and very exciting.I just saw this interview today and had it posted in 12 minutes. But you are right, we have to get Wyllie to be a bit more confident. I have a team of people doing opposition research and my team can't understand how anybody could lose to the clueless Rick Scott and Charlie Crist. You should see all the stuff we have uncovered, it's mind boggling. I just got off the phone with Greg Roe, Wyllie's running mate and insurance agent, and informed him on the newest thing today.

I will explain to you. In 2008 Governor Crist dumped $1 million into a corporation to go into competition with the private sector selling insurance. So they have been spending money hand over fist for 6 years now. Paying this babe $120,000 per year to run it. Rick Scott has taken over and keeps dumping more money into this goofy program that after 6 years has sold 37 discount dental plans and 7 of those have cancelled. So after millions of dollars they have 30 discount dental plans that cost $9 a month each. But, it's totally against the law, I kid you not and can prove it to you. First of all, I know the law. At the link below click on - Insurance Plans - and then click on the green button that says - Join Now - go down to the bottom above TERMS AND CONDITIONS - and tell me what it says. When my guy Lee told me he had me rolling on the floor with laughter. You should hear the whole story.

Florida Health Insurance Marketplace (http://www.floridahealthchoices.net/insurance/plans/fharglbmp.aspx)

[R.G]

Lee just sent me this email addressed to me and Greg Roe:

Well to summarize, they have spent over $1,000,000 to design a website to sell insurance that isn't insurance. The target market is people between 100% to 138% of the federal poverty level who do not qualify for Medicaid or Federal tax credits. In the last 30 days they have had over 900,000 advertised impressions with over 300,000 people reached with over 5,000 paid clicks that resulted in 0 sales. They have 0 actual insurance products available on a non-functioning website that is costing $1,500 a month to maintain. The only products available are vision and dental discount programs that are sold by an agency in Frisco Texas. They have 30 active policies on the books generating an income of about $8 a month with cash in the bank in excess of $1,000,000. Someone needs to stop these people before they waste another $1,000,000 of tax payers money!

How on earth did Crist or Scott even win a primary let alone a general election is beyond me. If Wyllie loses we have no one to blame but ourselves. The incompetence or corruption of these two are bewildering.

[helmuth_hubener]

I will explain to you. ... - go down to the bottom above TERMS AND CONDITIONS - and tell me what it says.

"This is not insurance."

I guess that is illegal? I don't know, all this does seem bewildering.

But realize Wyllie is not lacking confidence. He is being honest. That is an admirable quality.

I hope you have a super plan and a super team and a lot of resources and political experience and that you do win. But winning some wrestling matches doesn't really have anything to do with winning a political election. Positive thinking only goes so far. That is: not very far. Positive thinking can be fuel to keep you going, but in order to actually go, you need a car.

[R.G]

"This is not insurance."

I guess that is illegal? I don't know, all this does seem bewildering.

But realize Wyllie is not lacking confidence. He is being honest. That is an admirable quality.

I hope you have a super plan and a super team and a lot of resources and political experience and that you do win. But winning some wrestling matches doesn't really have anything to do with winning a political election. Positive thinking only goes so far. That is: not very far. Positive thinking can be fuel to keep you going, but in order to actually go, you need a car.Finally a smart person!
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MDXwa-MoJeo/UfCYQUZQxxI/AAAAAAAAH10/r5HvxJ3hpDE/s1600/dan_gable_quotes.jpg

[R.G]

I'm pretty sure that there are certain posters here who have a conflict of interest here regarding their ties to the GOP, so I doubt how they presented the guy would've made much of a difference. I prefer the GOP strategy over the LP strategy too myself, but I really think the 3rd party strategy can work on some fronts if libertarian and libertarian-leaners stop looking at it as being futile, which may actually be a bigger obstacle to overcome than getting media exposure and the like.I agree. I'm a Rand Paul Republican in all states but Florida. Those Republicans that don't like Rand, tough.

I was banned off of RedState a long time ago because they were way too stupid. But, some guy there re-posted a piece I wrote on Swannblog that now has disappeared, probably like the stuff I do here. Dumb-ass Lynn Swann wasn't smart enough to follow his own advice that someone had written for him in his own book. Never once would he let the tax-free HSA leave his lips. I hope Wyllie and Rand are smarter.

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By Mark Kilmer (http://archive.redstate.com/user/mark_kilmer) Posted in 2006 (http://archive.redstate.com/sections/elections/2006) — Comments (0) (http://archive.redstate.com/blogs/mark_kilmer/2006/sep/23/swannsolution_100#comment) / Email this page » (http://archive.redstate.com/forward/20574) / Leave a comment » (http://archive.redstate.com/comment/reply/20574#comment_form)

This is from Ron Greiner at the SwannBlog (http://swannblog.com/2006/09/23/swannsolution-100/):

On page [100] of Lynn Swann’s new book he wrote that the first thing he would do as Governor of Pennsylvania to combat the skyrocketing cost of healthcare is to promoteHealth Savings Accounts (HSA). This is right up my alley so maybe I can help. While it is true that employer-based health insurance will cost $1,000 a month for family coverage and $500 a month for single coverage; HSA Qualifying health insurance may be just a fraction of these costs. For example, a 30-year-old nonsmoking male can get HSA insurance in Uniontown, PA, for $62 a month for the HSA $2,700 Deductible that pays 100%, including prescription drugs, to $3 million dollars. When his policy arrives it will be accompanied with a HSA VISA debit cardand HSA Checkbook. The HSA is called HSA Tools (http://www.save101.com/pdf/HSA_tools_brochure.pdf).

The maximum a single may deposit into an HSA in 2007 is $2,850 (People over 55 years of age may deposit more). President Bush said, “HSAs have tax-free deposits, growth and withdrawals.” Either the employer or employee, or a combination of both, may make HSA deposits. There is no payroll tax on employer HSA deposits. It's compensation without taxation. The employee and employer each save 7.65% payroll tax. The employee also saves federal and state income tax. With a combined federal and state income tax of 20% (Not the highest tax bracket), this employee would save 27.65% taxation on his employer’s HSA deposit into his HSA versus including that $2,850 per year on the employees’ taxed paycheck. The employee saves $788 in taxes per year ($2,850 x .2765 = $788). In other words, the employee saves $53 more per year in taxes than the annual cost of his health insurance ($788 tax savings - $735 annual HSA insurance cost = $53 total annual employee savings). This isn’t magic, it’s just math.

HSA clients have immediate access to HSA balances for Qualified Medical Expenses (QME) which include, but are not limited to, medical, vision and dental expenses. Unspent HSA balances grow with FDIC insured interest or may be placed in mutual funds for the possibility of a higher return. Everything is online and is high tech. Most people wouldn’t take the $100 it costs to see the dentist out of their 401k that is growing tax deferred for retirement, even if they could. Many HSA clients don’t take withdrawals out of their HSA because they have the freedom to take their withdrawal out in future years, after the HSA balance has grown without taxation.

My HSA is the oldest HSA in America with a 1/1/97 Effective Date. A 25-year-old who has $2,850 annually deposited into their HSA will have $1,000,000 at 65 years of age with 8% growth in mutual funds. A married couple would have double or $2,000,000 at Medicare eligibility. HSA balances are dedicated to retirement healthcare expenses. We now know that money that is never taxed will last longer in retirement. The tax free HSA is both the centerpiece of Republican healthcare Reform and President Bush’s 2006 Domestic Agenda. The HSA is also a cornerstone of the Ownership Society.

Because my HSA is the oldest in America I place my HSA balance in stock just to prove that you can. At the birth of the HSA the stock ticker symbol AIZ (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=aiz) was born with a 2004 IPO (http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7BD0773D2B-4BE7-450A-BB7F-7066D9B939CA%7D&siteid=mktw) (Price $22.00/share).

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Of course, education will be the key for Governor Swann. Vote Republican if you want to be a multi-millionaire. Vote Democrat if all you want is what you wear.


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[R.G]

Libertarian Adrian Wyllie Climbing in Polls - Up to 8%
In Florida, the PPP poll (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2014/09/crist-holds-slight-lead-over-scott.html#more) found that Democrat and former governor, Charlie Crist led Gov. Rick Scott 42%-39% with 8% for Libertarian Adrian Wyllie. Rick Scott remains wildly unpopular. The Republican governor’s net approval rating remains a net (-9) 40%-49%. The problem for Crist is that the barrage of negative advertising that Scott unleashed dropped his approval rating to a net (-6) 40%-46%. This development has allowed Libertarian Wyllie to pull support from both the Democratic and the Republican candidates. Without the Libertarian in the poll, Crist still leads 44%-41%. Crist is being helped by the popularity of two big Democratic issues. Florida voters overwhelmingly support raising the minimum wage to $10/hour (63%-29%), and expanding Medicaid (61%-27%).

All of America should hope Adrian Wyllie will win come November because both Rick Scott and Charlie Crist will take $51 billion of your Federal tax dollars to expand Medicaid and put more people on Government health insurance. I know a lot of people think the Feds have $51 billion lying around but that's not true. The truth is your unborn Grandchildren will spend their entire life paying of this debt. The Federal Government is far beyond busted & broke.

Rick Scott and Charlie Crist are Mr Medicaid Men (3M)

[erowe1]

Yes
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https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQuqYKjDdVqxb67n5nlaij8eZhB5mwlc XKLOC931ddtIs2rPL2SdQ this great American

Bump.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Rick Scott wins.

The Libertarian candidate...low single digits. No one but the completely deluded shocked.

[CPUd]

Politico is calling it for Scott. Wyllie holding strong at 3.8%

[Wooden Indian]

4% is better than I expected. Got my vote out of protest.

[Feelgood]

If he got that 4%, then good for him. Much better than I would have expected from Florida. Never saw a single sign or ad for Wyllie anywhere. Scumbags Crist and Scott were every where. I had a feeling Scott would win, even with his un-favorables. The Dems obviously were not serious about winning this election cycle, or they would have run someone other than Crist.

I can not really stomach this crap any more. I abstained from voting as I said I would. Outcome was pretty much what I expected it to be.

[erowe1]

I abstained from voting

+rep

[Feelgood]

So guess what? I'm driving around Boca Raton area today, and guess what I see? A Wyllie sign right there in the median staring at me. I had to laugh since I had just posted I never even saw a sign. Day late, and dollar short, but SOMEONE here was backing Wyllie. Wish I knew who it was.

[CPUd]

I heard they were having a twitter rally for him the other day, not sure how that turned out.