California Looks To Ban the Confederate Flag

[AuH20]

The coastal bastion of freedom may strike yet again!

http://watchdog.org/167179/stifling-free-speech-california-looks-ban-confederate-flag/


California is looking to bar the “Stars and Bars.”

A bill sits on Gov. Jerry Brown’s desk to ban California from displaying or selling the Confederate flag or objects with images of it. The state’s Legislature passed the bill nearly unanimously last week.

Assemblyman Isadore Hall III, D-Compton, introduced the legislation after his mother discovered the Capitol gift shop sold a replica of Confederate money that contained a picture of the flag, according to the L.A. Times.

The lone dissenting vote among the 67 cast was from former California GOP gubernatorial candidate Tim Donnelly of Twin Peaks. He argued the bill would infringe on free speech.

“I’m a strict Constitutionalist,” he told the Times. “It’s painful and lonely.”

Hall thanked his fellow lawmakers for “standing together united to fend off the ugly hatred of racism that’s been portrayed and demonstrated through the emblem of the Confederacy.”

The flag is, to be sure, divisive. In the South, some fly it as a nod to their roots — the “Stars and Bars” or variations of it are used as the state flag in a few states, including Alabama, Florida and Mississippi. Others use the flag as the symbol of racism that Hall, a black man, decries.

[ZENemy]

At first they came fo...........whatever, nobodies listening. :(

[William Tell]

I bet you anything these idiots will only ban the most famous one out of the dozens that flew over the Confederate States Of America. And no, it is not called the Stars And Bars.

THIS is the Stars And Bars flag:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Confederate_%27Stars_and_Bars%27_Flag%2C_captured_ at_Columbia%2C_South_Carolina_-_Wisconsin_Veterans_Museum_-_DSC02996.JPG/220px-Confederate_%27Stars_and_Bars%27_Flag%2C_captured_ at_Columbia%2C_South_Carolina_-_Wisconsin_Veterans_Museum_-_DSC02996.JPG

[luctor-et-emergo]

The flag that I have as my avatar has a similar background. It's the first flag of the Dutch republic.


Today, the Prince's Flag is used in settings with particular nostalgia and historic national sentiment. The flag is for example raised from the old Matthias church tower in Warmond, as part of a commemoration ceremony for the start of the Dutch Kingdom.[4] The flag is also used as a symbol of the Greater Netherlands and Dutch Pan-nationalist politics, by right-wing parties such as the Nederlandse Volks-Unie (NVU),[5] Voorpost.[6] and the (now defunct) Nationalist Peoples Movement (NVB).[7]

In 2011, two members of parliament for the Party for Freedom (PVV) had the Prince's flag hanging in their offices in the parliament's building. When this was received with scrutiny, the flags were removed. Former Dutch MP Wim Kortenoeven said he regrets that the flag has some negative connotations because it has been hijacked by the NSB in war-time Netherlands. The party denounces the defunct NSB and far-right movements.[8] At a PVV protest on 21 September 2013 in The Hague, several attendants were carrying Prince's flags. When Geert Wilders was speaking in House of Representatives the same week, Alexander Pechtold referred to the flags as 'NSB-flags', implying Wilders is a Nazi, to which Wilders called Pechtold a sad, measly, hypocritical little man.[9][10] In protest of this remark, at least five members of the House of Representatives, Martin Bosma, Reinette Klever, Machiel de Graaf, Harm Beertema and Barry Madlener wore a Prince's flag lapel pin.[11][12] (wiki)

[William Tell]

LOL! I was right/ wrong!:p :D the dumbasses banned the wrong flag, sort of:



LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST



AB 2444, Hall. Confederate flag: sales: government property.
Existing law regulates the sale of certain merchandise, including political items and sports memorabilia.
This bill would prohibit the State of California from selling or displaying the Battle Flag of the Confederacy, or a similar image, or tangible personal property inscribed with those images, unless the image appears in a book, digital medium, or state museum that serves an educational or historical purpose.

Digest Key

Vote: MAJORITY Appropriation: NO Fiscal Committee: YES Local Program: NO Bill Text

The people of the State of California do enact as follows:



SECTION 1.

Chapter 2.9 (commencing with Section 8195) is added to Division 1 of Title 2 of the Government Code, to read:
CHAPTER 2.9. Confederate Flag



8195.

(a) The State of California may not sell or display the Battle Flag of the Confederacy, also referred to as the Stars and Bars, or any similar image, or tangible personal property, inscribed with such an image unless the image appears in a book, digital medium, or state museum that serves an educational or historical purpose.

(b) For purposes of this section, “sell” means to transfer title or possession, exchange, or barter, conditional or otherwise, in any manner or by any means whatsoever, for consideration. “Transfer possession” includes only transactions that would be found by the State Board of Equalization, for purposes of the Sales and Use Tax Law, to be in lieu of a transfer of title, exchange, or barter http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140AB2444

[nobody's_hero]

I think this is from a while back. It's pretty extreme to ban something that's a historical reproduction.

I mean, how the hell are you going to sell replica confederate currency without printing it exactly how it looked? Are they gonna put a black mark over the stars and bars?

It's historical. It would be like banning the Nazi swastika from appearing in history books and replacing it with rainbow flags.

EDIT: Well looks like the law actually exempts history books. I wonder why this guy got so pissed off about replica currency. It's not like you can buy a slave with it these days.

[presence]

Maybe Alabama should ban the gay flag to keep things balanced.

[Acala]

The law is actually pretty limited and does not ban the Confederate flag as the title says. It just bans the State of California from displying or selling it. The public can still buy, sell, or display that flag. I would be embarassed to have the State of California displying any flag I cared about anyway.

[Anti Federalist]

The law is actually pretty limited and does not ban the Confederate flag as the title says. It just bans the State of California from displying or selling it. The public can still buy, sell, or display that flag. I would be embarassed to have the State of California displying any flag I cared about anyway.

I was just going to say that, it seems all it does is prohibit the state from selling or displaying it.

Not that it makes it much better...

[Zippyjuan]

The law is actually pretty limited and does not ban the Confederate flag as the title says. It just bans the State of California from displying or selling it. The public can still buy, sell, or display that flag. I would be embarassed to have the State of California displying any flag I cared about anyway.

It would ban the sale of them in state run gift shops only.

[scottditzen]

Is the intent of this thread to find out which forum members can pass a reading comprehension test?



The coastal bastion of freedom may strike yet again!

http://watchdog.org/167179/stifling-free-speech-california-looks-ban-confederate-flag/

[Philhelm]

EDIT: Well looks like the law actually exempts history books. I wonder why this guy got so pissed off about replica currency. It's not like you can buy a slave with it these days.

A pity, really. I'm going to move soon and could use some cheap labor.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Flags of the Confederate States of America: http://www.moc.org/collections-archives/flags-confederacy

After the Civil War, 545 captured Confederate flags were held by the U.S. War Department in Washington, D.C. These flags were stenciled with a number in black ink and, in some cases, capture histories were handwritten on linen tags sewn onto the flag. Detailed records were kept so that the government could award the Congressional Medal of Honor for capturing an enemy flag. Today, these records, detailed in the National Archives’ Register of Captured Flags, are valuable tools for historians.
In 1905, Congress passed legislation returning the captured flags to the Southern States. The Museum of the Confederacy was the recipient of the Commonwealth of Virginia’s 75 repatriated flags. In 1906, another 252 flags from unidentified Confederate units were also entrusted to the Museum, creating the world’s largest collection of Wartime flags.


http://kwout.com/cutout/6/dt/77/gyj_bor.jpg

[Southron]

Perhaps they should stop selling the California flag as well, given their anti-Chinese history.

[twomp]

Well I guess the economy is gonna go down the tank in California now. The world's 8th biggest economy. The confederate flag is such a big seller in California...

[TheTexan]

Absolutely. Confederate flag is a symbol for racists who wish the Great Abraham Lincoln had lost the war on slavery. If we can't explain to those slavery lovers that the war is over by now, they'll never learn.

/salutes Lincoln, the freer of slaves and the unifier of states

[phill4paul]

Why the hell does a state run a gift store? Shouldn't gift stores be run by private individuals?

[ZENemy]

It would ban the sale of them in state run gift shops only.


Why the hell does a state run a gift store? Shouldn't gift stores be run by private individuals?


This

[56ktarget]

Anyone who flies the confederate flag is a traitor.

[William Tell]

Anyone who flies the confederate flag is a traitor.

Cool, I am flattered that you consider me a traitor.

[anaconda]

Well I guess the economy is gonna go down the tank in California now. The world's 8th biggest economy. The confederate flag is such a big seller in California...

Maybe Jerry Brown can ceremoniously light the match for a grand spectacle of a mass flag burning.

[anaconda]

Cool, I am flattered if you consider me a traitor.

The founding fathers were traitors. You're in good company.

[DevilsAdvocate]

Free speech wins, case closed. Grandstanding politicians look good. Move on.

[Danke]

Anyone who flies the confederate flag is a traitor.

What should we do to people that fly this flag?

http://www.corporatecomplianceinsights.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Mexican-flag.jpg

[William Tell]

What should we do to people that fly this flag?

http://www.corporatecomplianceinsights.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Mexican-flag.jpg

Is the eagle the US, and the snake Mexico? Gobble them I guess:p

[nobody's_hero]

The law is actually pretty limited and does not ban the Confederate flag as the title says. It just bans the State of California from displying or selling it. The public can still buy, sell, or display that flag. I would be embarassed to have the State of California displying any flag I cared about anyway.

But it can't even sell replica currency out of a museum gift shop. Seems a bit extreme.

http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/confederate-money-stonewall.jpg

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

freedom of speech unless someone finds it offensive
right to bear arms if you get the government's permission
right to a fair and speedy trial unless we don't feel like it

[John F Kennedy III]

I'd rather ban the Amerikan flag.

[Christian Liberty]

I was just going to say that, it seems all it does is prohibit the state from selling or displaying it.

Not that it makes it much better...


freedom of speech unless someone finds it offensive
right to bear arms if you get the government's permission
right to a fair and speedy trial unless we don't feel like it

I don't really see what's wrong with prohibiting the State of California from displaying it... I mean, do we really want the state spending our money to display it anyway? Mind you, I favor the CSA flag, at least over the USA one, and I think the reasoning behind the bill was stupid, but why should I care?

Now, if they had banned private individuals from displaying the flag, that would be problematic.

[oyarde]

The coastal bastion of freedom may strike yet again!

http://watchdog.org/167179/stifling-free-speech-california-looks-ban-confederate-flag/

I take it this is the Battle Flag of Northern Virginia ?

[oyarde]

Anyone who flies the confederate flag is a traitor.

I never liked all that many Virginians anyway , it is kind of like the new commie state ,Secretly , I am a bit disappointed the Shawnee did not just kill most of them , but they lost, such are battles , the free and brave displaced by free and brave that later become statists , easily predictable ..... this is why it is when you pick your spots you must win , Liberty for those who seek it and slavery , poverty and ignorance for the rest.

[Kilrain]

I take it this is the Battle Flag of Northern Virginia ?

Most "Confederate battle flags" are of the Army of Tennessee design, rectangular. AONV used a square flag with the same pattern.

[oyarde]

Most "Confederate battle flags" are of the Army of Tennessee design, rectangular. AONV used a square flag with the same pattern.

So , this is the ban ?

[oyarde]

So the square is legal ?

[Kilrain]

So , this is the ban ?

I dunno, but I would assume a ban would apply to the flag pattern and that both would be banned.

[oyarde]

I dunno, but I would assume a ban would apply to the flag pattern and that both would be banned.

Well , I like the Blue Flag better , or I could loan them my Gadsden Flag or my Black Flag , LOL

[oyarde]

Does the Caly flag still have a bear on it ? That should be somewhat offensive , :) considering those retards used to stage bear and bull fights after church services ..... maybe Californians should just ban themselves, LOL

[oyarde]

California , what happens when barbarians turn socialist , LOL

[oyarde]

In classy Caly style , no matter which , tied and tortured beast " won" , they killed them both .

[oyarde]

In case any of you need to know , in the future the bear usually won , several times , by biting the tongue of the bull and putting it down on the dirt where it could then dispatch it with the claws . I mean , it is a Grizzly , think of it like the IRS .

[oyarde]

They had a grand stand for the children to watch , guess , now , they are to tell others what is offensive ??

[oyarde]

Then , they tortured to extinction the animal on the flag , maybe , last shot in the early 20's .That is an estimate , maybe earlier .... Sacramento ... the new flag experts , LOL

[oyarde]

Kind of like me commissioning a Capt . Ahab flag with a great , white , sperm whale , but , at least that is fiction ....

[anaconda]

In case any of you need to know , in the future the bear usually won , several times , by biting the tongue of the bull and putting it down on the dirt where it could then dispatch it with the claws . I mean , it is a Grizzly , think of it like the IRS .

Grizzlies are magnificent and beautiful creatures. The IRS is neither.

[anaconda]

How about an ever so slightly altered confederate flag? Would that be legal to sell?

[William Tell]

I don't really see what's wrong with prohibiting the State of California from displaying it... I mean, do we really want the state spending our money to display it anyway? Mind you, I favor the CSA flag, at least over the USA one, and I think the reasoning behind the bill was stupid, but why should I care?

Now, if they had banned private individuals from displaying the flag, that would be problematic.

We think it's stupid that they banned it from their gift shops. They are not shutting down the gift shops. Just stupid, and smarmy of them. It reflects how silly they are. It's not some huge deal, it's just that they are being smarmy politically correct whiners. Next thing you know all they will be allowed to sell is rainbow flags. Not everything posted on RPF is about some serious Constitutional issue.

[Christian Liberty]

We think it's stupid that they banned it from their gift shops. They are not shutting down the gift shops. Just stupid, and smarmy of them. It reflects how silly they are. It's not some huge deal, it's just that they are being smarmy politically correct whiners. Next thing you know all they will be allowed to sell is rainbow flags. Not everything posted on RPF is about some serious Constitutional issue.

Fair enough, but at first I thought that California was actually banning the CSA flag.

I think they should stop selling the US flag in their gift shops.

[bolil]

Grizzlies are magnificent and beautiful creatures. The IRS is neither.
No, grizzlies are 1000lbs of murder-flesh. Still better than the IRS.

[DamianTV]

Hell, displaying our current flag is already illegal there. Cinco de Mayo? Cant fly Stars and Stripes, its offensive to illegal immigrants. 4th of July? Prohibited. Ban one flag, may just as well ban em all. Except for the Mexican flag.