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limequat
08-20-2014, 12:46 PM
Deadspin is putting this together and wants everyone to pitch in. These statistics are desperately needed to assess how bad the situation is. Please consider giving a few minutes of your time

http://regressing.deadspin.com/were-compiling-every-police-involved-shooting-in-americ-1624180387/all
The United States has no database of police shootings. There is no standardized process by which officers log when they've discharged their weapons and why. There is no central infrastructure for handling that information and making it public. Researchers, confronted with the reality that there are over 17,000 law enforcement agencies in the country, aren't even sure how you'd go about setting one up. No one is keeping track of how many American citizens are shot by their police. This is crazy. This is governmental malpractice on a national scale. We'd like your help in changing this.

Here, we're going to take a cue from Jim Fisher, who as far as we can tell has compiled the most comprehensive set of data on police shootings in 2011. Fisher's method was simple: He searched for any police-involved shooting every day for an entire year. By our lights, this is the best way to scrape this information—any time a police officer shoots and hits a citizen, it will almost certainly make a local news report, at least. However, this is a time-intensive process, and our manpower is limited. Having gathered some of the data, we can say it will take the few of us here a very long time to do this on our own. So, we're setting up a public submission form and asking for help with this project.

Here are our guidelines:

Using Google's search tools, isolate a single day (e.g. Jan. 1, 2011, to Jan. 1, 2011) and search for the term "police involved shooting" (don't use quotation marks). Use Chrome's Incognito mode when searching to ensure you aren't getting local results.
Read each link on the first 10 pages of results; for any instances of shootings involving a police officer, log them in the spreadsheet.
We're looking at 2011, 2012, and 2013, and tracking date, name, age, gender, race/ethnicity, injured/killed, armed/unarmed, city, county, state, agency, number of shots, a brief summary, and a link to a story about the incident are to be filled out as best as possible given the information in all stories about the incident.
Before starting in, take a look at the submissions here and pick a day that no one has begun. Remember, we're starting off looking at just the past three years.
Often, the first day of reports will not have personal details, and a second search of subsequent days will fill in more of the story.
A later death, after a person is hospitalized in a police-involved shooting, is considered a death for our purposes.
We are looking for any incidence of a police officer shooting and hitting another person.
We are not looking for incidences of police officers discharging their weapons and hitting no one. In a perfect world these would be tracked, since often the only difference is that the shot missed, but these incidents are not as thoroughly reported and would probably bias the data.
Please keep the data as neat as possible. Work within specific months, make sure you're in the correct year, keep the columns clean and add peripheral information in the Summary portion, etc.

We're making this fully public, and anyone can jump in and lend a hand. This is a trial—we'd love it if this turned out well, but if it doesn't, we're prepared to complete it on our own, or with more targeted assistance. But we think this is a necessary thing, and we are trusting you all to not be dicks in there.

Obviously, if you have a better idea for how to gather this data, or have access to an already-compiled set, let us know. The submission form is below.

A very big thanks to Sergio Hernandez for getting us straight with the submission form.

limequat
08-21-2014, 09:05 PM
Activism bump

Henry Rogue
08-21-2014, 09:15 PM
I will help. It would be nice to know what dates have already been covered so I'm not wasting time. I found the link that shows which dates have been covered.

limequat
08-21-2014, 09:34 PM
This is tedious, but easy. I started with my birthdays. There are several for each day...

aGameOfThrones
08-21-2014, 09:58 PM
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Aint-Nobody-Got-Time-for-That.gif

Constitutional Paulicy
08-21-2014, 10:25 PM
Provide them with a link to this member activity page.... http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?3169-Anti-Federalist

That should cover 99% of what they are looking for.

DamianTV
08-22-2014, 06:19 AM
Activism bump

and another one of those ^^^

Ronin Truth
08-22-2014, 08:43 AM
5,000 Americans Killed by Cops Since 9/11 (http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/08/paul-craig-roberts/5000-americans-killed-by-cops-since-911/)http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/08/paul-craig-roberts/5000-americans-killed-by-cops-since-911/
Paul Craig Roberts on American justice.

luctor-et-emergo
08-22-2014, 08:58 AM
Can't you do a freedom of information request to get this information ?

Acala
08-22-2014, 09:03 AM
Can't you do a freedom of information request to get this information ?

Yes, maybe DOJ or the CDC has the data.

luctor-et-emergo
08-22-2014, 09:04 AM
I believe officer involved shootings are included in the total number of gun deaths in the USA so I imagine they must have the numbers somewhere.

Acala
08-22-2014, 09:05 AM
I hate to be the guy who sits on the sidelines and says "you should do this too" but two other pretty common problems that virtually ANYONE should be alarmed about is cops shaking down citizens for sex and cops stealing or extorting money/drugs/valuables.

Ronin Truth
08-22-2014, 09:28 AM
I hate to be the guy who sits on the sidelines and says "you should do this too" but two other pretty common problems that virtually ANYONE should be alarmed about is cops shaking down citizens for sex and cops stealing or extorting money/drugs/valuables. You should do that too. :D

limequat
08-22-2014, 09:30 AM
It looks like the only real data is from this wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_th e_United_States_2011

This is where the "8 times more likely to be killed by a cop than a terrorist" meme came from.
I think this is WAAAYYY under reported. Just googling my birthday for "police involved shooting" revealed dozens of hits. I think the real number is in the thousands. We won't know until deadspin and WE complete the lists manually.

thoughtomator
08-22-2014, 09:31 AM
It looks like the only real data is from this wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_th e_United_States_2011

This is where the "8 times more likely to be killed by a cop than a terrorist" meme came from.
I think this is WAAAYYY under reported. Just googling my birthday for "police involved shooting" revealed dozens of hits. I think the real number is in the thousands. We won't know until deadspin and WE complete the lists manually.

I think the real number is in the tens of thousands.

limequat
08-22-2014, 09:43 AM
I think the real number is in the tens of thousands.

Based on my sampling pretty close.

limequat
08-22-2014, 09:47 AM
Can't you do a freedom of information request to get this information ?

Yes, you could file a FOIA with every police agency in the country :) But you'd die eventually.

It is not known if any Federal agency compiles this data, so there's nothing to file for at the federal level.

Another great activist effort would be to require the FBI to report this data out.
It's a bit of a catch 22. We want our police power to be decentralized for the greatest amount of local control.
But it's hard to control/monitor without some form of centralization. It's a mind boggling for the liberty-orientated individual.

Danke
08-22-2014, 10:02 AM
http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/news/2006/08/04/community-seeks-justice-fong-lee-shooting

pcosmar
08-22-2014, 10:58 AM
I believe officer involved shootings are included in the total number of gun deaths in the USA so I imagine they must have the numbers somewhere.

Shootings don't always result in death.

It would also be helpful to sort the stories. between the legitimate use of force and the questionable use of force. (toys, cellphones, TV remotes,,furtive movements, etc.)

Carson
08-22-2014, 05:09 PM
Unless we've got 5,000 listed we may be short.



5,000 Americans Killed by Cops Since 9/11

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/08/paul-craig-roberts/5000-americans-killed-by-cops-since-911/

Carson
08-22-2014, 07:35 PM
I saw this posted on Fark (http://www.fark.com/comments/8385101/The-reason-we-were-waiting-so-long-on-a-police-report-from-Ferguson-is-because-until-three-days-ago-there-wasnt-one#new) and thought it would fit in this thread if you wanted to see your odds.

http://photos.imageevent.com/stokeybob/evenmorestuff/fark_QtoP2pVvS-xEnxgVlPstLwnREuM.png

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ard0309st.pdf



Try to keep in mind the actual proportions of the population, what ever that may be.?

bolil
08-26-2014, 12:55 AM
BUMP

extortion17
08-26-2014, 04:16 AM
Shootings don't always result in death.

It would also be helpful to sort the stories. between the legitimate use of force and the questionable use of force. (toys, cellphones, TV remotes,,furtive movements, etc.)
Howz about the use of the butt of the gun hit over the head (mine) from the back - as I was getting my key into my parked car.
Reported to the police commission . . . ya' know how that turned out, don't ya' ?

Henry Rogue
12-19-2014, 10:21 PM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?465190-More-Than-1-000-People-Have-Been-Killed-by-Police-in-2014

Henry Rogue
12-19-2014, 10:42 PM
There are no frills to be found atwww.killedbypolice.net. The site is just a simple spreadsheet. The information it contains, though, is invaluable. It is a list of every single person documented to have been killed by police in the United States in 2013 and 2014. There are links to a media report for every single death, as well as their names, ages, and when known, sex and race.

The site is so valuable because, as we’ve*noted previously, there is no reliable national database for keeping track of the number of people killed by police each year. The FBI tracks homicides by law enforcement officers, but participation is voluntary, and many agencies don’t participate. As I noted last week, Eric Garner’s death at the hands of a New York Police Department*won’t show up in the FBI’s statistics for 2014*because the state of New York does not participate in the program.

The FBI’s statistics for 2013 say that law enforcement officers killed 461 people that year. Killedbypolice.net apparently got its start last year. Using their system of monitoring by news report, they have calculated that police actually killed*748 people between May and December. That’s 287 more than the FBI reports for the whole year.

And for 2014, which still has a couple of weeks left, the site has reported 1,029 people have been killed by police. That’s about a 30 percent increase over last year, though with four-month gap at the start of 2013 (measuring 25 percent of the year), it's possible the numbers would be much closer if we had January through April. Even with the FBI’s broken numbers, we know that 2013 marked a two-decade high in killings by police.

Neither the site nor its*Facebook page*indicates who is responsible for compiling this information, and they’re protecting their identity by hosting the site through GoDaddy. We can’t talk to whoever is responsible for this database about how or why they started it and how much effort it is to keep track of this information. Here is a page for people to*submit information*to help improve the quality of the database.


http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/09/more-than-1000-people-have-been-killed-b
This has already been posted at the link i provided in post # 24 of this thread, but since I already had it saved i thought i would post it here anyway. :o