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Brian4Liberty
08-19-2014, 04:13 PM
Nothing surprising here. Outside agitation is standard procedure in so many riots and "revolutions". CNN, as an organization, has basically the same agenda with their hyped coverage.


As the outraged community in Ferguson, Missouri, continues to protest the officer-involved shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown, radical communist revolutionaries from places like Chicago and New York City are seemingly infiltrating the local demonstrations and allegedly attempting to “incite” riots.

A video uploaded on YouTube Tuesday shows Gregory Lee Johnson, a veteran member of the Revolutionary Community Party, riling up a crowd and seemingly discouraging them from listening to police’s advice to calm things down. Watch that video here:
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St. Louis Alderman Antonio French also took notice of Johnson’s presence at demonstrations in Ferguson on Tuesday. He included a photo of Johnson among a group of men apparently trying to light Molotov cocktails:
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Also spotted in Ferguson was Revolutionary Community Party operative Travis Morales.
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Morales was later reportedly among four men from Brooklyn to be arrested in Ferguson:
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Obviously, it is highly unlikely that Johnson and Morales traveled to Ferguson alone — though it’s unclear how many of their colleagues are currently in the area.

The presence of communist revolutionaries at the demonstrations is not unusual, however. Revolutionaries like Johnson and Morales seek to use chaos and unrest to further their radical agenda to transform America away from its capitalist system.

It was reported that 25 percent of protesters arrested on Monday night were not from Ferguson. These are some the people people CNN has described as “agitators.”
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More:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/19/video-communist-revolutionaries-travel-from-chicago-nyc-to-incite-riots-in-ferguson/

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjVW_YtREUE

CPUd
08-19-2014, 04:27 PM
This dude is probably playing both sides:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYHeoK7Kyhw

Brian4Liberty
08-19-2014, 06:03 PM
This dude is probably playing both sides:


He talks a good game. Seemed like he was inferring that there were government agent provocateurs (maybe it's just the wording), but he didn't identify anyone in particular. The communist infiltrators are on camera and identified, so there's no doubt about them.

CPUd
08-19-2014, 06:13 PM
He talks a good game. Seemed like he was inferring that there were government agent provocateurs (maybe it's just the wording), but he didn't identify anyone in particular. The communist infiltrators are on camera and identified, so there's no doubt about them.

He used to run the NBPP, and the infiltrators are probably his own people.

thoughtomator
08-19-2014, 06:28 PM
few nights ago I definitely saw "black bloc" types in the melee stirring up shit... one of them let loose a molotov on camera

JK/SEA
08-19-2014, 06:34 PM
yes, yes....appearences do indeed matter...

phill4paul
08-19-2014, 06:43 PM
Nothing good happens in a vacuum. Some militias should have been there. I know that it might have been contentious but, perhaps, it might have created something bigger. Better.

56ktarget
08-19-2014, 09:43 PM
Paulites thinking:

Communist/socialist speaks to a crowd= Communist "agitation", inciting riots and "revolution"
Libertarian/Paulites speaks to a crowd= Spreading peace and "liberty"

Lol, cognitive dissonance at its finest. Especially considering their slogan is "rLOVEution", lol.

DFF
08-19-2014, 10:01 PM
I've never liked the term "Paulite."

It's a derisive term, akin to "gold bug."

More negative rep coming...which I'm sure you will enjoy.

Lord Xar
08-19-2014, 10:02 PM
Paulites thinking:

Communist/socialist speaks to a crowd= Communist "agitation", inciting riots and "revolution"
Libertarian/Paulites speaks to a crowd= Spreading peace and "liberty"

Lol, cognitive dissonance at its finest. Especially considering their slogan is "rLOVEution", lol.

Actually, you sound like a tool. First off, libertarians/Paulites - to the best of my knowledge, aren't traveling to known powder key environments trying to incite violence based on a false premise.

When "one" has to resort to manipulation & skullduggery to incite "revolution", it is pretty clear that the ideology can't stand on it's own. That is communism/socialism.

There is a CLEAR difference in your example, how you can't see it -- well, perhaps THAT is the cognitive dissonance.

See, these directionless "riots" are not real spearpoints for a revolution... that is why the agitators are there. They are trying to corral their useful idiots into THEIR agenda. What is funny, is that the very nature of the problem stems from the very same policies that these "agitators" want more of... they just want more. Policies of dependence, collectivism etc...

See, the spearpoint of discontent can be pointed into the heart of the state - which the commies do NOT want.

56ktarget
08-19-2014, 10:05 PM
Actually, you sound like a tool. First off, libertarians/Paulites - to the best of my knowledge, aren't traveling to known powder key environments trying to incite violence based on a false premise.

When "one" has to resort to manipulation & skullduggery to incite "revolution", it is pretty clear that the ideology can't stand on it's own. That is communism/socialism.

There is a CLEAR difference in your example, how you can't see it -- well, perhaps THAT is the cognitive dissonance.

See, these directionless "riots" are not real spearpoints for a revolution... that is why the agitators are there. They are trying to corral their useful idiots into THEIR agenda. What is funny, is that the very nature of the problem stems from the very same policies that these "agitators" want more of... they just want more. Policies of dependence, collectivism etc...

See, the spearpoint of discontent can be pointed into the heart of the state - which the commies do NOT want.
I must have missed the part where communists were creating riots. Try again.

hotdude
08-19-2014, 10:24 PM
DHS Is Employing Agent Provocateurs and Are Behind the Events In Ferguson: http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/08/15/dhs-is-employing-agent-provocateurs-and-are-behind-the-events-in-ferguson/

acptulsa
08-19-2014, 10:34 PM
Paulites thinking:

Communist/socialist speaks to a crowd= Communist "agitation", inciting riots and "revolution"
Libertarian/Paulites speaks to a crowd= Spreading peace and "liberty"

Lol, cognitive dissonance at its finest. Especially considering their slogan is "rLOVEution", lol.

It isn't cognitive dissonance until you post vid of a libertarian inciting a riot, anywhere, at any time, ever. Or, at least, it isn't our cognitive dissonance, it's yours.

And remember: No one incited a riot on Bundy's ranch. Indeed, libertarians prevented the federal officials from rioting.


I must have missed the part where communists were creating riots. Try again.

You didn't know the DHS is communist? Obviously, your education concerning Uncle Joe Stalin is sadly lacking.

The good news is you're not guilty of slander. Just libel, that's all.

Natural Citizen
08-19-2014, 10:41 PM
I was wondering when Beck's outfit would chime in with their brand of spin.

I hadn't heard of this so will have to do some information searching. While it is certainly possible, we'd do well to remember the mindset or, more specifically, frame pattern that we're dealing with from Beck and his demograph with regard to similar events.

Brian4Liberty
08-19-2014, 10:44 PM
Paulites thinking:

Communist/socialist speaks to a crowd= Communist "agitation", inciting riots and "revolution"
Libertarian/Paulites speaks to a crowd= Spreading peace and "liberty"

Lol, cognitive dissonance at its finest. Especially considering their slogan is "rLOVEution", lol.

Where is your video of a "Paulite" inciting riots?

And no where did anyone say that a communist simply talking to people is inciting a riot. But these specific Marxists were doing it.

Using your logic, someone could see a communist kick a dog, and then ask "why do commies kick dogs"?

Brian4Liberty
08-19-2014, 10:48 PM
Paulites thinking:


So you must be a "Paulite" by virtue of you posting here...

acptulsa
08-19-2014, 10:48 PM
Where is your video of a "Paulite" inciting riots?

And no where did anyone say that a communist simply talking to people is inciting a riot. But these specific Marxists were doing it.

Using your logic, someone could see a communist kick a dog, and then ask "why do commies kick dogs"?

Actually, that brand of alleged logic he she or it was using was more along the lines of seeing a communist kick a dog and asking, 'Why do libertarians kick dogs?' But, you know, if down wasn't up in a progressive's world how could they possibly say Obamacare isn't making the rich richer and the poor poorer?

56ktarget
08-19-2014, 10:48 PM
Lol y'all must have missed the Bundy incident. Imagine if communists had prevented federal officials from doing their jobs, y'all would be up in arms in a heartbeat.

acptulsa
08-19-2014, 10:53 PM
Lol y'all must have missed the Bundy incident. Imagine if communists had prevented federal officials from doing their jobs, y'all would be up in arms in a heartbeat.

I mentioned the Bundy incident. Hard to mention something one has missed. Libertarians prevented communists from having a riot. I'm sorry you're so butthurt about us believers in liberty deciding those commies with the BLM had no right to riot, but there it is. Non-Aggression and all that.

And, yes, when the commies prevent the other commies from doing their job, it is upsetting. Like when these bureaucrats that you insist are competent and love us and want us to be happy were too busy having an interservice rivalry to put a stop to 9/11/01. Kind of blows any rational person's faith in the whole communist manifesto, know what I mean?

Damn! What happened to those good old days five and six years ago when we got a competent class of troll around here? Things were so much more challenging then.

Brian4Liberty
08-19-2014, 10:56 PM
Lol y'all must have missed the Bundy incident. Imagine if communists had prevented federal officials from doing their jobs, y'all would be up in arms in a heartbeat.

Yeah, we missed the part where private businesses were being looted and burned, and where people were throwing Molotov cocktails.

Natural Citizen
08-19-2014, 11:04 PM
Where is your video of a "Paulite" inciting riots?



Heh. Lookit what I found...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebgph_ToT40

56ktarget
08-19-2014, 11:18 PM
Yeah, we missed the part where private businesses were being looted and burned, and where people were throwing Molotov cocktails.

You must have also missed the part where out of control militia members stopped innocent passerbys on the roads, demanding proof they were legal citizens.

And it isn't a surprise there was no rioting, considering no one got shot unlike in Ferguson.

acptulsa
08-19-2014, 11:23 PM
You must have also missed the part where out of control militia members stopped innocent passerbys on the roads, demanding proof they were legal citizens.

Ah, yes. The part where these out of control people confronted passersby, explained to them what was going on, failed to rob them, failed to shoot them, and failed to recruit them to commit violence against anyone else.


And it isn't a surprise there was no rioting, considering no one got shot unlike in Ferguson.

There you go. Commies vs. commies in Ferguson, and people get shot. Commies vs. libertarians in Nevada, and no one gets shot. Absolutely. Wonderful to be able to agree wholeheartedly with you.

Wait a minute. Whose side are you on again? Why are you making this so easy for me?

Brian4Liberty
08-19-2014, 11:27 PM
Heh. Lookit what I found...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebgph_ToT40

Nice! Especially since I took the photo (yellow shirt) at the beginning of the video! ;)

Natural Citizen
08-19-2014, 11:32 PM
Nice! Especially since I took the photo (yellow shirt) at the beginning of the video! ;)

Huh! No shit. I gave you a rep point. This is my favorite video. There is an extended one but I didn't see it.

56ktarget
08-19-2014, 11:33 PM
Ah, yes. The part where these out of control people confronted passersby, explained to them what was going on, failed to rob them, failed to shoot them, and failed to recruit them to commit violence against anyone else.



There you go. Commies vs. commies in Ferguson, and people get shot. Commies vs. libertarians in Nevada, and no one gets shot. Absolutely. Wonderful to be able to agree wholeheartedly with you.

Wait a minute. Whose side are you on again? Why are you making this so easy for me?
Lol at the generalization of an entire city as communists. Lol, are you Mccarthy's son or something?

acptulsa
08-19-2014, 11:39 PM
Lol at the generalization of an entire city as communists. Lol, are you Mccarthy's son or something?

I didn't say the entire city is a bunch of communists, friend. You're lying, misrepresenting, putting words in my mouth I didn't say, and libeling me again. In other words, you're using the Prog Toolbox.

I classified the communist agitators as communists. And I classified federal employees as communists, because if communism is something other than federal micromismanagement of as much as possible, then I'm going to need six or seven unimpeachable sources to convince me of it. That's what Uncle Joe Stalin called communism, that's what My Man Mao called it, that's what the murderous CheGue called it, and that's what I call it.

Now, link to where I said the whole city was inciting riots, or the whole city was imported from some beatnik pinko hole in Brooklyn, or the whole city is employed by the federal government, or apologize for lying, or just shut up and quit before you get any farther behind.

Those would be my best suggestions. But if you don't want to save face, and prefer for people to think you a fool, that's fine too.

56ktarget
08-19-2014, 11:42 PM
There you go. Commies vs. commies in Ferguson, and people get shot.Fail.

DevilsAdvocate
08-20-2014, 03:34 AM
Are these communists able to be appealed to with any sort of logic or reason? Or are they just too far gone, foaming-at-the-mouth crazies who are impossible to reach? It's hard to believe that anybody can cling to such a failed ideology in this modern day and age, and if anybody has the ability to totally crush their point of view it's us libertarian minded folks. What do you think, can we reach these people?

Maybe we can even reach the troll in our midst?

56ktarget
08-20-2014, 03:37 AM
Such irony...

DevilsAdvocate
08-20-2014, 05:07 AM
Such irony...

Four hours since the last post in this thread, and you reply to my post within three minutes...with a two word answer. Very strange behavior.

tod evans
08-20-2014, 05:19 AM
Four hours since the last post in this thread, and you reply to my post within three minutes...with a two word answer. Very strange behavior.

Bot?

DevilsAdvocate
08-20-2014, 06:06 AM
Bot?

I was thinking perhaps it was someone that was very emotionally invested in this particular thread on a personal level. But usually when people like that reply they write 30 paragraphs. Perhaps someone who is at a loss for words?

Maybe some leftist agitator website sent out some minions to conquer the blogosphere, and this guy got RPF duty. Or hey, maybe one of those government paid trolls we've been hearing so much about lately, you never know.

To my knowledge there isn't a way to receive notifications on a thread, especially if someone doesn't directly reply to you, which I wasn't. That's the only reason I was questioning things. Was this guy sitting here refreshing the page over and over again for four hours, late into the night?


Edit: Just learned you can "subscribe" to a thread. Well I guess you learn something new every day. Anyway that explains that.

Slave Mentality
08-20-2014, 07:02 AM
Such irony...

Stick around long enough and you will see the truth my friend. It is inevitable, even if your eyes are currently welded shut with the puss of Statism. Your fear of the unknown will be lifted. You were born with an ingrained desire to not be controlled by others. I have faith.

mit26chell
08-20-2014, 09:15 AM
Nothing good happens in a vacuum. Some militias should have been there. I know that it might have been contentious but, perhaps, it might have created something bigger. Better.

Oath Keepers and Veterans for Peace are there on the ground.

oyarde
08-20-2014, 09:23 AM
Paulites thinking:

Communist/socialist speaks to a crowd= Communist "agitation", inciting riots and "revolution"
Libertarian/Paulites speaks to a crowd= Spreading peace and "liberty"

Lol, cognitive dissonance at its finest. Especially considering their slogan is "rLOVEution", lol. Actually that is about right , the commies want to steal from others and are evil agitators . Liberty is anti theft .

enhanced_deficit
08-20-2014, 03:38 PM
Blowback?

Ukraine Protests Carefully Orchestrated: The Role of CANVAS, US-Financed “Color Revolution Training Group” (http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-protests-carefully-orchestrated-the-role-of-canvas-us-financed-color-revolution-training-group/5369906)

'F**k the EU': Snr US State Dept. official caught in alleged phone chat on Ukraine Published time: February 06, 2014 20:17
Edited time: February 07, 2014 11:04


Victoria Nuland (R) and U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt (2nd R), Kiev December 11, 2013.(Reuters / Andrew Kravchenko)





A senior US State Department official has allegedly been caught giving an unexpected message to the EU while discussing Ukrainian opposition leaders’ roles in the country’s future government. The phone call was taped and posted on YouTube.
"F**k the EU," Assistant Secretary of State for Europe Victoria Nuland allegedly said in a recent phone call with US ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt, as the two were discussing a deal to end the crisis in Ukraine.
The four-minute video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxaa-67yGM&feature=youtu.be) - titled ‘Maidan puppets,’ referring to Independence Square in Ukraine’s capital - was uploaded by an anonymous user. The origin of the recording is not clear. The video was first reported in the Kyiv Post.

The US State Department did not deny the authenticity of the video and stressed that Nuland had apologized for the "reported comments."
The conversation is mainly focused on Ukraine’s government and President Viktor Yanukovich's offer last month to make opposition leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk the new prime minister and Vitaly Klitschko deputy prime minister.
“I don’t think that Klitschko should go into the government. I don’t think it is necessary. I don’t think it is a good idea,” a female voice - allegedly Nuland - said.
“In terms of him not going into the government, just let him stay out and do his political homework,” a male voice - believed to be Pyatt - replied. “In terms of the process moving ahead, we want to keep the moderate democrats together,” he said.
As Nuland sees it, Ukrainian opposition leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk should be in charge of the new government and Klitschko would not get along with him. “It’s just not going to work,” she said.


http://on.rt.com/qmtk3m

mczerone
08-20-2014, 03:53 PM
I saw a "press conference" with Carl Dix from the media compound.

Generally, he seemed level-headed and on the right side of the Ferguson issue: It's not necessarily about Michael Brown and the shooting, this is about a tension between the cops and the people that has been brewing for decades and is getting worse, partly due to the militarization of the cops.

But then he justified his stance, and basically said that its a race war. It's not about any philosophical problems with the creation of a super-class of enforcers or problems with people being suckered into poverty by govt policies. According to him, the whole thing is about the white man hating on the blacks, Mexicans, and Asians and keeping them down. He seemed less like a genuine Communist who would have railed on capitalists and the managerial class and more like a typical race-baiting Democrat.

Brian4Liberty
08-20-2014, 04:11 PM
I saw a "press conference" with Carl Dix from the media compound.

Generally, he seemed level-headed and on the right side of the Ferguson issue: It's not necessarily about Michael Brown and the shooting, this is about a tension between the cops and the people that has been brewing for decades and is getting worse, partly due to the militarization of the cops.

But then he justified his stance, and basically said that its a race war. It's not about any philosophical problems with the creation of a super-class of enforcers or problems with people being suckered into poverty by govt policies. According to him, the whole thing is about the white man hating on the blacks, Mexicans, and Asians and keeping them down. He seemed less like a genuine Communist who would have railed on capitalists and the managerial class and more like a typical race-baiting Democrat.

That's typical. They may pay a little lip service to the militarization of Police, but they always steer it towards "race" relations. They are doing it 24x7 on CNN.

And after they cry "social justice", their solution is always the redistribution of wealth (with crony-corporatists taking the largest piece), more handouts to keep people dependent upon them, a more powerful, all-seeing Big Brother to "watch-out" for their pet issues, and of course, more militarization of the Police to enforce their leviathan-god.

56ktarget
08-20-2014, 06:02 PM
You are grossly misinformed about many of the positions advocated by liberals. I recommend you spend a few minutes at democratic underground. You'll be surprised at when you might find. We are your natural allies on stuff like civil liberties and social issues.

phill4paul
08-20-2014, 06:58 PM
We are your natural allies on stuff like civil liberties and social issues.

No. Nope. No way. Ya'll suck as bad as Bush.

Brian4Liberty
08-20-2014, 08:45 PM
You are grossly misinformed about many of the positions advocated by liberals. I recommend you spend a few minutes at democratic underground. You'll be surprised at when you might find. We are your natural allies on stuff like civil liberties and social issues.

OK. Should I start with a post that says "LOL, why do Commies all love big government so much?"

orenbus
08-20-2014, 09:09 PM
Not sure glancing over the thread if this specific group has been mentioned already, but I do remember one of the streams in Ferguson the other day interviewing a local older lady from the neighborhood, she was saying that the group responsible for starting the rioting wasn't people in Ferguson, but instead was a group out of Chicago called "Revolution something". I just saw a banner being held by a couple of people in Oakland where it said something along the lines of it's okay to Rebel the people in Ferguson are Revolting follow their lead or something along those lines. The banner listed the following URL and sure enough it looks like the group is based out of Chicago;

http://revcom.us/

acptulsa
08-20-2014, 10:13 PM
You are grossly misinformed about many of the positions advocated by liberals. I recommend you spend a few minutes at democratic underground. You'll be surprised at when you might find. We are your natural allies on stuff like civil liberties and social issues.

Paving everyone's road to hell with your misdirected good intentions does not make you our best friends. Invariably your 'cures' involve taking on more of the same disease.

You Democrats would do well to learn to listen to your own best and brightest:


Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the form of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question.

I think it's safe to say history has done just that. May I have the envelope please...?


Fail.

JK/SEA
08-20-2014, 10:27 PM
You are grossly misinformed about many of the positions advocated by liberals. I recommend you spend a few minutes at democratic underground. You'll be surprised at when you might find. We are your natural allies on stuff like civil liberties and social issues.


if you can convince me that you've taken the Red Pill..then i might consider you an ally...

ok..go..you have 5 minutes.

oyarde
08-21-2014, 12:04 AM
You are grossly misinformed about many of the positions advocated by liberals. I recommend you spend a few minutes at democratic underground. You'll be surprised at when you might find. We are your natural allies on stuff like civil liberties and social issues.

I am not grossly uninformed about the agenda of many " liberals " and hope I live long enough to craft , green , renewable resource , tools from the bones after they starve to sell back to those who remain.

parocks
08-21-2014, 06:53 AM
I saw a "press conference" with Carl Dix from the media compound.

Generally, he seemed level-headed and on the right side of the Ferguson issue: It's not necessarily about Michael Brown and the shooting, this is about a tension between the cops and the people that has been brewing for decades and is getting worse, partly due to the militarization of the cops.

But then he justified his stance, and basically said that its a race war. It's not about any philosophical problems with the creation of a super-class of enforcers or problems with people being suckered into poverty by govt policies. According to him, the whole thing is about the white man hating on the blacks, Mexicans, and Asians and keeping them down. He seemed less like a genuine Communist who would have railed on capitalists and the managerial class and more like a typical race-baiting Democrat.o

I haven't been following the details of this too closely, but it seemed to me a clear-cut case of government vs the people. But then Al Sharpton shows up to try to spin it as whites vs blacks. That seems to happen a lot. I'm guessing that Government is sending in many types of people - on all sides - to try to hide the essential fact that the people in Ferguson are pissed at Government. So the usual suspects are sent in to say "but the cop was white, this is about whites vs blacks", when blacks and plenty whites are pissed off that there's too much Government, and it does things like kill people.

FloralScent
08-21-2014, 07:02 AM
Lol y'all must have missed the Bundy incident. Imagine if communists had prevented federal officials from doing their jobs, y'all would be up in arms in a heartbeat.

If this were ever to happen such an action would make them..... not communists. The feds are commies to the core, hence your slobbering all over their junk.

Brian4Liberty
08-21-2014, 10:53 AM
Not sure glancing over the thread if this specific group has been mentioned already, but I do remember one of the streams in Ferguson the other day interviewing a local older lady from the neighborhood, she was saying that the group responsible for starting the rioting wasn't people in Ferguson, but instead was a group out of Chicago called "Revolution something". I just saw a banner being held by a couple of people in Oakland where it said something along the lines of it's okay to Rebel the people in Ferguson are Revolting follow their lead or something along those lines. The banner listed the following URL and sure enough it looks like the group is based out of Chicago;

http://revcom.us/

No doubt they were there, inciting.