Mike Huckabee speaks out against militarization of America's police forces

[jct74]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Dyfzdd0DE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Dyfzdd0DE



edit: also on Fox & Friends earlier today


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lz0XPYpqog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lz0XPYpqog

[mad cow]

That was very good,he has an audience that we don't reach that needs to get that message.

I'm no Huck fan but the more the merrier on this issue.

[56ktarget]

WTF did this really just happen.

[Anti Federalist]

WTF did this really just happen.

Got a serious problem when even the "law and order" crowd like Huck and National Review start sounding off about this.

[Dianne]

It's too late ... That's why Obama spoke out against it, because he is not yet ready to show us what his militarization of the police force has come too. But it exists in every little city and town where you live. When Obama's extremist muslim brothers (who he has opened the doors too), get control of this force; we will look just like Iraq... even worse. It is seriously time to seriously think about leaving the former U.S.A.

[Brett85]

People here will always criticize Huckabee, but he's been sounding pretty decent on civil liberties issues recently. He also opposes the NSA surveillance program and the TSA pat downs. Ironically, it's his economic policy where he's the least libertarian.

[jct74]

he was also on Fox & Friends earlier today talking about police militarization



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lz0XPYpqog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lz0XPYpqog

[mac_hine]

Why is this front page material? Give me an f'ing break. Is RPF becoming The Blaze light or something.... :rolleyes:

Let's see how he sounds if/when a Rethuglican occupies the iron throne. (Holding breath)

[JK/SEA]

a stopped clock....

blah blah

good for huckster.

one ATTABOY coupon coming your way Mike.

[phill4paul]

That was very good,he has an audience that we don't reach that needs to get that message.

I'm no Huck fan but the more the merrier on this issue.

He was sitting by as the "guest on deck" on Fox while the press conference was queing up in Ferguson. He became nothing but a back drop. He was put off time and again as the conference was delayed, interrupted, etc. I think this showed him where the attention is at. As a politician he is following up and trying to capitalize on it. Good.

[Cap]

Only reason the Huckster did this is because Rand did. This just tells me he is running in 16.

[Anti Federalist]

People here will always criticize Huckabee, but he's been sounding pretty decent on civil liberties issues recently. He also opposes the NSA surveillance program and the TSA pat downs. Ironically, it's his economic policy where he's the least libertarian.

I criticize Huckabee because I know that if, in the next 24 hours, there is some "terror" attack, he will throw all that talk of "civil liberties" out the window and join the crowd talking about how "we have to give up some freedom to be safe".

I can count on the fingers of one hand, the political and talking head figures that will not.

[phill4paul]

I criticize Huckabee because I know that if, in the next 24 hours, there is some "terror" attack, he will throw all that talk of "civil liberties" out the window and join the crowd talking about how "we have to give up some freedom to be safe".

I can count on the fingers of one hand, the political and talking head figures that will not.

Bongo. Huck is a shyster. As I detailed above. I was watching that broadcast and he just could not stand to take a back seat. The wind is blowing this way. Until it blows the other way.

[Brett85]

I criticize Huckabee because I know that if, in the next 24 hours, there is some "terror" attack, he will throw all that talk of "civil liberties" out the window and join the crowd talking about how "we have to give up some freedom to be safe".

I can count on the fingers of one hand, the political and talking head figures that will not.

Maybe, but when he does that, we can criticize him. He deserves credit for what he said tonight. He even brought up some of the incidents that people have brought up here, like the baby who was hurt badly by the grenade police officers threw in his crib.

[Anti Federalist]

Maybe, but when he does that, we can criticize him. He deserves credit for what he said tonight. He even brought up some of the incidents that people have brought up here, like the baby who was hurt badly by the grenade police officers threw in his crib.

Yeah, great, I'm glad that he did, hopefully it will shift some of the "law and order" Faux news crowd.

[mac_hine]

Maybe, but when he does that, we can criticize him. He deserves credit for what he said tonight. He even brought up some of the incidents that people have brought up here, like the baby who was hurt badly by the grenade police officers threw in his crib.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-xN4BSDNNM

Huckabee is a joke.

[Brett85]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-xN4BSDNNM

Huckabee is a joke.

So we can't disagree with him on Iraq but agree with him on the militarization of the police?

[mac_hine]

So we can't disagree with him on Iraq but agree with him on the militarization of the police?

The man is a charlatan. He's swinging his tiny dick in whatever way the political winds are blowing. Are you so naive as to not see this?

[mad cow]

Only reason the Huckster did this is because Rand did. This just tells me he is running in 16.

And many Lib sites claim that the only reason Rand did it was to steal the thunder from Hank Johnson.

Sheesh,can't we all just be happy that this message is getting out to a wider and wider audience?

[Brett85]

The man is a charlatan. He's swinging his tiny dick in whatever way the political winds are blowing. Are you so naive as to not see this?

Do you have a video or some link which shows that Huckabee flip flopped on this and at one time supported the militarization of the police?

[phill4paul]

Do you have a video or some link which shows that Huckabee flip flopped on this and at one time supported the militarization of the police?

Can't say that I do. Can't ever remember him making an issue of it one way or the other until now... when it is an issue of prominence. ;)

[Anti Federalist]

And many Lib sites claim that the only reason Rand did it was to steal the thunder from Hank Johnson.

Sheesh,can't we all just be happy that this message is getting out to a wider and wider audience?

I am, which is why I am also...noncommittal...about denouncing the looting.

Fuck it...squeaky wheel gets the greasing AFAIC.

[jct74]

Why is this front page material? Give me an f'ing break. Is RPF becoming The Blaze light or something.... :rolleyes:

Let's see how he sounds if/when a Rethuglican occupies the iron throne. (Holding breath)

Well I wouldn't have put it there if he was talking about repealing Obamacare. :p

This is great news when mainstream conservatives are finally co-opting some of our issues, and it is good to let it be known to the world that it is not just libertarians that are concerned about this. You would rather people not know that a mainstream conservative like Mike Huckabee agrees with libertarians on an important issue like this that has long been ignored by mainstream conservatives?

[Brett85]

This is great news when mainstream conservatives are finally co-opting some of our issues, and it is good to let it be known to the world that it is not just libertarians that are concerned about this. You would rather people not know that a mainstream conservative like Mike Huckabee agrees with libertarians on an important issue like this that has long been ignored by mainstream conservatives?

Don't you know that Mike Huckabee is "the enemy" and we can't ever give him credit for anything. :)

[jct74]

Do you have a video or some link which shows that Huckabee flip flopped on this and at one time supported the militarization of the police?

I haven't heard him specifically talk about police militarization before. But he has talked about asset forfeiture before which is a related issue and even said that hearing those kind of stories made him want to become a "hardcore libertarian".



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU-tiGU6SiA



Also he has talked about DEA abuses before.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ7Es9TvnZU



So really this is not extremely surprising considering some of his previous comments on related issues.

[francisco]

Huckabee weighing in on Rand's side or, less generously, parroting Rand's position, on the militarization of local police forces is an Excellent development for 2 reasons.

First, because it is the right position to have on the issue.


...[Huckabee] deserves credit for what he said tonight. He even brought up some of the incidents that people have brought up here, like the baby who was hurt badly by the grenade police officers threw in his crib.

Second, whether or not Huckabee is being genuine, he lends credibility to the Liberty movement's position by bringing that message to the socon and religious right people who haven't given their ears to Rand yet. It will make it much easier down the road for those constituencies to support Rand. Just like mad cow and AF point out:


That was very good,he has an audience that we don't reach that needs to get that message.

I'm no Huck fan but the more the merrier on this issue.


Yeah, great, I'm glad that he did, hopefully it will shift some of the "law and order" Faux news crowd.

[jct74]

Huckabee weighing in on Rand's side or, less generously, parroting Rand's position, on the militarization of local police forces is an Excellent development for 2 reasons.

First, because it is the right position to have on the issue.



Second, whether or not Huckabee is being genuine, he lends credibility to the Liberty movement's position by bringing that message to the socon and religious right people who haven't given their ears to Rand yet. It will make it much easier down the road for those constituencies to support Rand. Just like mad cow and AF point out:

Rand is already getting attacked (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?458033-Former-George-W-Bush-Speechwriter-Rand-Paul-Gave-Aid-amp-Comfort-To-Rioters) by Bush administration officials for giving 'Aid & Comfort' to the looters. Having a hardcore social conservative like Mike Huckabee on our side is a good way to refute those attacks.

[francisco]

Rand is already getting attacked (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?458033-Former-George-W-Bush-Speechwriter-Rand-Paul-Gave-Aid-amp-Comfort-To-Rioters) by Bush administration officials for giving 'Aid & Comfort' to the looters. Having a hardcore social conservative like Mike Huckabee on our side is a good way to refute those attacks.

Yes Yes Yes

It's going to be very hard for the Old Guard to attack Rand when it becomes apparent that Rand holds the true mainstream opinions that the American public is gravitating toward from both ends of the political spectrum, and the Old (Tired) Guard has become the (reactionary) fringe.

Applies to both FP and this specific police militarization issue.

[Brian4Liberty]

People here will always criticize Huckabee, but he's been sounding pretty decent on civil liberties issues recently. He also opposes the NSA surveillance program and the TSA pat downs. Ironically, it's his economic policy where he's the least libertarian.

And he's terrible on foreign policy.

[TaftFan]

www.taxhikemike.blogspot.com

Click on it and click on it often. :)

[idiom]

Dudes this is a book promotion.

[Occam's Banana]

Huckabee weighing in on Rand's side or, less generously, parroting Rand's position, on the militarization of local police forces [...]

FYI, Rand is just plagiarizing the Democrats ... (:rolleyes:)

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?457873-Rand-Paul-We-Must-Demilitarize-the-Police&p=5616956&viewfull=1#post5616956

Rand Paul Stole The Idea To Demilitarize The Police From Democrats

By: Jason Easley and Sarah Jones
Thursday, August, 14th, 2014, 5:44 pm

Noted plagiarist Sen. Rand Paul wrote in an editorial today about the need to demilitarize the police. However, this wasn’t Paul’s own idea. Democratic Rep. Hank Johnson first wrote about his legislation in March.

...

[dillo]

People here will always criticize Huckabee, but he's been sounding pretty decent on civil liberties issues recently. He also opposes the NSA surveillance program and the TSA pat downs. Ironically, it's his economic policy where he's the least libertarian.

Or hes just acting more like a populist to prepare for his 2016 run

[kcchiefs6465]

FYI, Rand is just plagiarizing the Democrats ... (:rolleyes:)

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?457873-Rand-Paul-We-Must-Demilitarize-the-Police&p=5616956&viewfull=1#post5616956
From March, huh?

Lol.

[Brett85]

Or hes just acting more like a populist to prepare for his 2016 run

According to a certain Bush administration official, the populist position is to always side with the police.

[presence]

I criticize Huckabee because I know that if, in the next 24 hours, there is some "terror" attack, he will throw all that talk of "civil liberties" out the window and join the crowd talking about how "we have to give up some freedom to be safe".



Make inroads, build coalitions, one politician, on issue at a time.
This is good. Don't sour the waters.


3 cheers Huck. Thanks for being open minded. Some of us have been preaching this issue for a decade or more.

[JK/SEA]

Make inroads, build coalitions, one politician, on issue at a time.
This is good. Don't sour the waters.


3 cheers Huck. Thanks for being open minded. Some of us have been preaching this issue for a decade or more.

i already sent him one ATTABOY coupon..good for one dinner out to Chucky Cheese...

[Henry Rogue]

I got to say, I agreed with the posters in this thread who say, Huckabee is blowing with the wind.Then I got to thinking about the author he had on and how I was put off by some of her comments. That got me thinking about the authors of the other books, specifically Balko and John Whitehead and I just remembered Whitehead was on Huckabee. So I looked it up, he was on Huckabee's show on July 27, 2013 https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/on_the_front_lines/john_whitehead_appears_on_fox_news_huckabee_fox_fr iends_virginia_pbs_and_bl
Here is a good interview of Whitehead by Tom Woods I found http://www.infowars.com/john-whitehead-a-government-of-wolves/ Huckabee is still a freaking statist neocon though.

[jct74]

I got to say, I agreed with the posters in this thread who say, Huckabee is blowing with the wind.Then I got to thinking about the author he had on and how I was put off by some of her comments. That got me thinking about the authors of the other books, specifically Balko and John Whitehead and I just remembered Whitehead was on Huckabee. So I looked it up, he was on Huckabee's show on July 27, 2013 https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/on_the_front_lines/john_whitehead_appears_on_fox_news_huckabee_fox_fr iends_virginia_pbs_and_bl
Here is a good interview of Whitehead by Tom Woods I found http://www.infowars.com/john-whitehead-a-government-of-wolves/ Huckabee is still a freaking statist neocon though.

ah that's right, John Whitehead was also on Huckabee's show. They discussed police militarization and the huge increase in the number of SWAT raids, Huckabee even brought up the Cheye Calvo case where the mayor's house got raided and both his dogs killed. It's a good interview, here's the tube if anyone wants to check it out.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx_AQJJuc5E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx_AQJJuc5E


So Huckabee does have a history of speaking out on both police militarization and asset forfeiture laws in the past.

[devil21]

So we can't disagree with him on Iraq but agree with him on the militarization of the police?

He has no foresight then. Much of the militarization of police is DIRECTLY BECAUSE of Huck's stance on Iraq. Where does Huck think most of this equipment came from?? Huck is an opportunist and a coattail rider. Hey, even Newt says something halfway smart once in a while but I won't change my opinion of him. Huck is turning into Newt 2.0.

[HOLLYWOOD]

The `1033 program has been going on for over 20 years, but it wasn't until the DHS was formed, the push for the POLICE STATE was pumped with steroids. Huckabee is now playing the typical 'populist political correctness' it's the talk of the country, after numerous articles media over the past year, and especially the escalation of violence from the police state in killing everything American. I despise these sleazeball politicians and pundits like Mike Huckabee that play what's popular across lines and the risk is low for their own future.

Yet, in Mike Huckabee's very own state of Arkansas, the POLICE STATE has been militarized and Huckabee himself signed off numerous times on increasing the Warrior Cops od Arkansas. The Arkansas State Police provided annual reports on their weaponizing and assets used against the people and those very reports were directly addressed to Governor Mike Huckabee of the great state of Arkansas.

Flash-Bang grenade baby Bou Bou in Georgia... made even international news across the globe over 6 weeks ago, yet it wasn't until now, that Huckabee mentions it?

Gov. Huckabee and Arkansas were using the 1033 program when he wss in power and it went by another program name prior to that, in which Huckabee militarized Arkansas.

Arkansas State Troopers History

Arkansas State Police Annual Report to Gov Mike Huckabee

(https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CBwQFjAAOAo&url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.ark.org%2Feeuploads%2Fasp %2Fannual_report_2005.pdf&ei=fs_wU86VJ42IogTZmoLwBA&usg=AFQjCNHMWG5RtjN9BuIohUrziTcmAGcIAQ&bvm=bv.73231344,d.cGU)CATO 2006 -- Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America (http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/overkill-rise-paramilitary-police-raids-america)

PS: Anybody(Mike Huckabee) that calls Senator John McCain "MOST HONORABLE MAN" is a liar. McCain is the tormenter of invasion, destruction, and death, it proves Huckabee is just a swindler for the establishment.

[Anti Federalist]

From March, huh?

Lol.

Yeah, them demmycrats are out in front of this issue...whoo hoo...

http://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/image-34.jpg?w=500&h=743

[Anti Federalist]

I got to say, I agreed with the posters in this thread who say, Huckabee is blowing with the wind.Then I got to thinking about the author he had on and how I was put off by some of her comments. That got me thinking about the authors of the other books, specifically Balko and John Whitehead and I just remembered Whitehead was on Huckabee. So I looked it up, he was on Huckabee's show on July 27, 2013 https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/on_the_front_lines/john_whitehead_appears_on_fox_news_huckabee_fox_fr iends_virginia_pbs_and_bl
Here is a good interview of Whitehead by Tom Woods I found http://www.infowars.com/john-whitehead-a-government-of-wolves/ Huckabee is still a freaking statist neocon though.

Nice find, I'll cut him some more slack then.

[Henry Rogue]

Nice find, I'll cut him some more slack then.

But don't cut him to much slack, he is still a copsucker.

[Feeding the Abscess]

Cool, while Huckabee blows with the wind, it's time to create a new storm. Abolition of State police.

Get radical or get lost.

[Christian Liberty]

People here will always criticize Huckabee, but he's been sounding pretty decent on civil liberties issues recently. He also opposes the NSA surveillance program and the TSA pat downs. Ironically, it's his economic policy where he's the least libertarian.


I criticize Huckabee because I know that if, in the next 24 hours, there is some "terror" attack, he will throw all that talk of "civil liberties" out the window and join the crowd talking about how "we have to give up some freedom to be safe".

I can count on the fingers of one hand, the political and talking head figures that will not.

Ron Paul (Definite)

Thomas Massie (Almost definite)

Justin Amash (Ditto)

Rand Paul (probably)

Mark Sanford (maybe, I don't know much about him.)

Maybe a couple more. Definitely not Huck.

[Christian Liberty]

Cool, while Huckabee blows with the wind, it's time to create a new storm. Abolition of State police.

Get radical or get lost.

Even I wouldn't touch that issue with a 10 foot pole if I was a politician. I cannot imagine any way of looking Boobus in the eye and telling him that. And I'm as "screw pragmatism and just speak principles" as anybody. I don't really see any reason why you can't pretty much act like a minarchist at the political level. Its not like those issues are actually going to come up anyway...

Mind you, I agree that state police should be abolished, but you can't really effectively explain that position when the average person is just thinking "these are the people who keep us safe from killers."

I've tried explaining this position to friends and family. In these situations I've actually been given the time to try to explain without continuous interruptions, and the media wasn't twisting everything I say, its still tough. Mind you, I'm not Murray Rothbard, but still.

[Feeding the Abscess]

Even I wouldn't touch that issue with a 10 foot pole if I was a politician. I cannot imagine any way of looking Boobus in the eye and telling him that. And I'm as "screw pragmatism and just speak principles" as anybody. I don't really see any reason why you can't pretty much act like a minarchist at the political level. Its not like those issues are actually going to come up anyway...

Mind you, I agree that state police should be abolished, but you can't really effectively explain that position when the average person is just thinking "these are the people who keep us safe from killers."

I've tried explaining this position to friends and family. In these situations I've actually been given the time to try to explain without continuous interruptions, and the media wasn't twisting everything I say, its still tough. Mind you, I'm not Murray Rothbard, but still.

It's up to us to do it, and have others follow. What's happening now in the broader liberty movement is large swaths of members following the leader and falling in line behind Rand or [insert politician here]. This narrows the scope of acceptable political discussion, and does nothing to help politicians who prefer to work within the margins - it only causes those politicians to get worse and advocate for smaller and less fruitful solutions.

We need to give those goalposts a healthy kick. And then a push. And a shove.

[Christian Liberty]

It's up to us to do it, and have others follow. What's happening now in the broader liberty movement is large swaths of members following the leader and falling in line behind Rand or [insert politician here]. This narrows the scope of acceptable political discussion, and does nothing to help politicians who prefer to work within the margins - it only causes those politicians to get worse and advocate for smaller and less fruitful solutions.

We need to give those goalposts a healthy kick. And then a push. And a shove.

I'm honestly not sure where to start with that kind of a conversation. It seems to me that there are a bunch of propositions that one has to accept before this position will make sense.

For instance, say I make this statement to you: "Cops who enforce drug laws are acting in an unjust and immoral manner."

I'd agree with this statement. You'd agree with this statement. But is there a point in making the statement to someone who supports drug prohibition? Isn't it pretty much required to convince him that drug prohibition is bad before we have the conversation about how police who enforce those laws are bad?

Mind you, I've gone for the whole thing all at once before to but I'm questioning the effectiveness of it.

And, I'm not sure how a politician running on an ancap platform would work, or that it would be appreciably different from a minarchist platform in practice.