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AlexMerced
12-02-2007, 09:22 AM
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Interventionisms greatest hits:

- World War II
- Vietnam
- Korea
- Bosnia

Havn't we given Interventionism enough chances? Return to the Constitution and Non-Interventionism this 2008 and Vote Ron Paul.

xerxesdarius
12-02-2007, 11:17 AM
It goes back longer than that, WWI was the most interventionist in my opinion. Also the Spanish-American war.

AlexMerced
12-02-2007, 11:29 AM
please do tell me about it, I just said the ones I know for sure, I made the thread so people can elaborate and educate myself

pdavis
12-02-2007, 12:28 PM
please do tell me about it, I just said the ones I know for sure, I made the thread so people can elaborate and educate myself

USA's intervention in WW2 was somewhat justifiable since the US Navy was attacked at Pearl Harbor (even though the US government provoked Japan by putting embargoes on them and shutting off most if not all of their shipping routes) and Germany declared war on the US. WW1 is a better example of interventionism and blowback because had the US not gotten involved in the war, France, Britain, and Germany would have agreed to a stalemate. Instead the US intervened, defeated Germany, Treaty of Versailles was signed ending WW1, and the Ottoman Empire was broken up into several different states (Iraq, Iran, Syria, Turkey, etc). The Treaty of Versailles created astronomical war debts and economic burdens (hyperinflation, trying to pay off debts) on Germany. A terrible economy, mixed with a collectivist and nationalistic culture lead to the rise of Hitler, Nazism (National Socialism), and later WW2 and the Holocaust. The dismantle of the Ottoman Empire into separate states (Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc.) lead us into the CIA coup in 1953, the US government funding and supporting oppressive regimes, dictators, and the Moujahadeen. This of course all lead to radical Islam, September 11, and now our occupying two more nations ( Afghanistan and Iraq).

akovacs
12-02-2007, 12:36 PM
Spanish-American war
overthrow of Hawaii's monarchy
constant intervention in the Phillipines after we took it over from the spanish
WW1

Non-interventionism is what the Swiss have, and they haven't been in a war in what, 900 years? We've never followed it perfectly (Mexican-American war as well as constant meddling in the Indian nations), but we were involved in much fewer wars in the 19th century than now.

One of the reasons I want to go back to the gold standard is that going to war has to be taxed immediately. If your taxes go up to >70%, then you're going to really look hard and check whether it's worth going to war. We do not have that check on war powers anymore thanks to fiat money.

AlexMerced
12-02-2007, 01:21 PM
What I meant about WWII intervention is more the factors that lead to germany being so poor that they voted hitler into power

maxmerkel
12-02-2007, 01:35 PM
What I meant about WWII intervention is more the factors that lead to germany being so poor that they voted hitler into power

that was not the fault of the US, it was a combined effort of France, Britain, Russia and others ;)

AlexMerced
12-02-2007, 01:44 PM
I didn't say it was, I said interventionism greatest hits, not us interventionisms greatest hits

vertesc
12-02-2007, 01:44 PM
take WWII off the list. Already people use the "we had to intervene to stop hitler" argument against non-interventionalism. Better to not even bring it up. But Vietnam, Korea, Bosnia, Iraq are all very good examples.

AlexMerced
12-02-2007, 01:48 PM
it's easy to argue back, cause then you say we intervend cause were attacked not out of a moral imperative

maxmerkel
12-02-2007, 01:57 PM
I didn't say it was, I said interventionism greatest hits, not us interventionisms greatest hits

then definitely add WWI

if it would not have been for Bißmarcks thousands of treaties with austria and the rest of europe (RP: stay out of alliances) germany would not had have to assist austria and germany would not have been in this stupid war in the first place. (and WWII would not have happened alltogether - presumably )

Jobarra
12-02-2007, 02:07 PM
You're all joking right? WWII is a PERFECT example of US interventionism getting us involved in the war.

If the US had not issued an oil embargo against Japan, they most likely would NOT have attacked us. Yes they were still bad men perpetrating bad deeds, but so is probably half the world today. Cutting trade to another nation is interventionist policy. Don't let the neocons redefine non-interventionism as only military pacifism.

BTW, even the interventionists didn't declare war on Germany. We only declared war on Japan, then Germany decided to declare war on us. As others have pointed out, if WWI's treaty hadn't been so devastating to Germany, Hitler probably would have stayed out of their government.

<sarcasm> But yeah, interventionism has worked wonders for the world </sarcasm>

Shellshock1918
12-02-2007, 02:11 PM
It goes back longer than that, WWI was the most interventionist in my opinion. Also the Spanish-American war.

Well in the Spanish-American war it was at least thought that we were attacked.

World War II is the only 100% justified intervention imo, we were attacked and we justly responded.

Our envolvment in World War I was really about the Zimmerman telegram, which asked Mexico to delcare war on the United States and get aid from Germany. That to me, is an outrage and I would have supported a war after that.