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RonPaulFanInGA
08-15-2014, 08:57 AM
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/08/14/ron_paul_ebola_expert_vaccine


How do Paul’s Ebola claims stack up to Ebola science?

“As far as I can make out he’s wrong about everything,” Fordham University’s Dr. Alexander van Tulleken told Foreign Policy. No licensed or approved treatment for Ebola exists. Yes, the experimental ZMapp drug seems to have effectively treated two American aid workers transported from Liberia to Atlanta, and more such untested drugs are in development. But those patients have also benefited from expert care, van Tulleken notes, so the jury’s still out. “The only treatments for Ebola really are supportive care” such as ventilation to support lung failure, dialysis for kidney failure or fluid replacement via IV.

As for Paul’s claims about DDT and organic phosphates, neither is an actual treatment nor control mechanism for Ebola. While some in the public health community view DDT as a legitimate solution for slowing malaria, there’s no science that says it would cure or control Ebola.

Vanguard101
08-15-2014, 09:27 AM
Lol Paul is probably wrong.

green73
08-15-2014, 09:36 AM
Ron Paul's video. Judge for yourself.

http://www.voicesofliberty.com/video/ebola-crisis-how-dangerous-is-it/

lib3rtarian
08-15-2014, 09:37 AM
Every time Ron Paul opens his mouth these days, it becomes yet another issue for Rand to distance himself from.

Danke
08-15-2014, 09:59 AM
I listened to that video of what Ron Paul said, and I didn't hear anything that had to do with this "Doctor's" critique.

green73
08-15-2014, 10:16 AM
Every time Ron Paul opens his mouth these days, it becomes yet another issue for Rand to distance himself from.

Omfg. Thou shalt not be radical in any way!

TaftFan
08-15-2014, 12:27 PM
"What Ron Paul has done is confuse Ebola with malaria,"

How did nobody catch this before it got released?

SMH, Ron.

HOLLYWOOD
08-15-2014, 12:37 PM
I always like to look at who controls the strings attached behind the screens at so many media sources, A very dangerous propagandist.

Foreign Policy is under the leadership of CEO and Editor of The FP Group David Rothkopf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rothkopf)

He is also President and CEO of Garten Rothkopf (http://www.gartenrothkopf.com/), an international advisory firm specializing in transformational global trends, notably those associated with energy, security, and emerging markets. Rothkopf was the chairman, CEO, and co-founder of Intellibridge Corporation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellibridge), a leading provider of international analysis and open-source intelligence for the U.S. national security community.

Before founding Intellibridge, Rothkopf was managing director of Kissinger Associates

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phill4paul
08-15-2014, 12:43 PM
"What Ron Paul has done is confuse Ebola with malaria,"

How did nobody catch this before it got released?

SMH, Ron.

In the article he was comparing Ebola to Malaria. How Malaria kills far more. How the government restricts the use of DDT and how possible government restrictions might be holding back an Ebola cure.


The one thing good that has come out of this Ebola crisis is that the FDA has recently said, “well, you can use the experimental drugs,” which the FDA should ever prevent. As long as there is full disclosure, whether it’s a cancer drug or an infection, and as long as the doctor and the patient knows exactly the risk that goes on. The FDA should be always holding back. So I think it’s good that the FDA has actually gotten rid of that regulation.

But to put it in further perspective, I mean, there are 1,700 or so that have been infected in southern Africa. Also there has been over 900 deaths. So it’s nothing to laugh at. But there are 627,000, mostly children, who die every year from malaria in the same region of the world, in the southern part of Africa. And there are 207 million cases every year. So that’s a big issue. But we can sort of forget about that and not worry about it. Some people get involved in a controversial argument about this and say there hasn’t been a lot of help since the DDT has been removed from the market. That’s very controversial, and nobody wants to hear about that.

The actual, absolute proof of the danger of DDT was never completed, as far as I’m concerned. DDT was cheap and it was never known to kill anybody. Instead, what we use is very expensive organic phosphates, which do kill people. They are very dangerous to the human being. But I think if we try to put this in a better perspective, if DDT isn’t quite as dangerous as they said, and you could save a million people a year from getting this illness, maybe we should think about it.

Could there be a possibility that making the organic phosphates, maybe there is a profit in this and maybe that is the reason that we end up doing this. So this is a serious problem. I don’t think it should ever be laughed at. I’m not saying I know the final answer on DDT, but I do know that governments deceive us and sometimes they hide things. I don’t think we’re going to see in the next year a horrendous breakout of Ebola in this country. That would be my suspicion. But in the same sense, we should not ignore the fact that it is a very deadly disease. But I’m glad at least the FDA is backing away and allowing treatment for this to be more readily available and maybe a quicker answer to this disease will be found under these circumstances.

http://www.voicesofliberty.com/video/ebola-crisis-how-dangerous-is-it/

phill4paul
08-15-2014, 12:45 PM
I always like to look at who controls the strings attached behind the screens at so many media sources, A very dangerous propagandist.

Foreign Policy is under the leadership of CEO and Editor of The FP Group David Rothkopf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rothkopf)
Who else operates from the same office on Connecticut Avenue?

+ rep

TaftFan
08-15-2014, 12:47 PM
In the article he was comparing Ebola to Malaria. How Malaria kills far more. How the government restricts the use of DDT and how possible government restrictions might be holding back an Ebola cure.



http://www.voicesofliberty.com/video/ebola-crisis-how-dangerous-is-it/
My fault. Should have actually read his piece.

Danke
08-15-2014, 12:59 PM
They should retract the article, now they are blaming it on a press release.


Editor's Note:

The portions of this post that cite quotes from Ron Paul and purport to paraphrase his beliefs about DDT and Ebola came from a press release sent by Paul's organization, Voices for Liberty. A transcript later sent by the same organization show that the initial press release mischaracterized some of Paul's words and positions, leading to several errors in the article. More specifically, while Paul said that he believed the threat posed by Ebola was overstated, he also acknowledged in his speech that "it's a very, very serious illness" that is "quite deadly." In addition, the article quoted Paul describing DDT "as a viable alternative for treatment" of Ebola. Those words came from his organization's press release, not from the former congressman. The errors led to the article being overly dismissive of the former congressman's beliefs.

devil21
08-15-2014, 01:54 PM
Even their "correction" is full of shit. No, it wasn't a press release that confused them. It was knee-jerk reaction to this article that originally mis-characterized Ron's position and they ran with it. Propaganda feeding more propaganda....

http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-on-ebola#ixzz3AOEwFDof

eta: note who didn't make any effort to post a correction of their knee jerk reactions on this thread...there's the shills.