Governor Nixon removing STL PD from Ferguson

[Roxi]

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/14/reports_gov_nixon_to_remove_st_louis_county_police _from_ferguson/



“The worsening situation in Ferguson is deeply troubling, and does not represent who we are as Missourians or as Americans. While we all respect the solemn responsibility of our law enforcement officers to protect the public, we must also safeguard the rights of Missourians to peaceably assemble and the rights of the press to report on matters of public concern,” Nixon said in a statement (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/missouri-governor-jay-nixon-dilemma-ferguson-racial-upheaval) this morning.

[oyarde]

So he is sending the State Police ?

[CPUd]

It's like every single decision these guys make results in a PR nightmare.

[tod evans]

Kicking the foxes out of the henhouse to make way for the wolves.....

[Lucille]

Arresting and charging the cop who murdered that man would have prevented all of this. That would be too easy, I guess. Besides:

"What's the point of having this superb military that you're always talking about if we can't use it?"
--Madeleine Albright

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/06/Police%20State_0.jpg

[Philhelm]

If I were the governor I would mobilize the National Guard, fully armed, in order to defend the people against the police.

[AuH20]

http://www.imgur.com/VuP4PpD.jpeg

[CPUd]

How to not get bad press:

* do not attack journalists.


How to not get your department taken over by the feds:

* do not make bad press worse


How to not make bad press worse:

* do not attack journalists

[SeanTX]

A lot of the people who complained about how the FBI behaved in Watertown MA will be cheering them on in Ferguson.

On a gun forum I read some of the people who complained about the FBI pointing weapons at people in Watertown are all for snipers taking aim on peaceful protesters in Ferguson.

All because those people are all "ghetto rats" and "animals" (never mind the fact that it's probably a small percentage of them looting, etc, and some of those are opportunists and agitators from out of town).

[CPUd]

According to what people on the livestream were saying, the ones doing the looting were from a nearby area, not where they were firing teargas last night.

[phill4paul]

A lot of the people who complained about how the FBI behaved in Watertown MA will be cheering them on in Ferguson.

On a gun forum I read some of the people who complained about the FBI pointing weapons at people in Watertown are all for snipers taking aim on peaceful protesters in Ferguson.

All because those people are all "ghetto rats" and "animals" (never mind the fact that it's probably a small percentage of them looting, etc, and some of those are opportunists and agitators from out of town).

Seems everyone loves to have someone to hate. I'd start with the one drawing down on me.

[AuH20]

According to what people on the livestream were saying, the ones doing the looting were from a nearby area, not where they were firing teargas last night.

Did you hear about the white guy with the dog who wanted to lend support to the protesters last night? They nearly attacked him and chased him off. They erroneously thought he was a cop. That tells you how far gone some of these people are.

[Antischism]

A lot of the people who complained about how the FBI behaved in Watertown MA will be cheering them on in Ferguson.

On a gun forum I read some of the people who complained about the FBI pointing weapons at people in Watertown are all for snipers taking aim on peaceful protesters in Ferguson.

All because those people are all "ghetto rats" and "animals" (never mind the fact that it's probably a small percentage of them looting, etc, and some of those are opportunists and agitators from out of town).

Well, that's pretty obvious. People like to pretend we live in some sort of post-racial America, but blacks are still viewed as subhuman and subjected to harsher punishment under the law in comparison to whites (even when they commit the same 'crimes'). They're targeted by stop-and-frisks, have a history of being portrayed as criminals or shady characters in media (while the white mobs are romanticized), have been targeted and had their communities destroyed by the war on drugs, have a history of slavery and struggle in the not-too-distant past, grow up in poverty and a lot of the time to single parents, don't have many positive role models, see people clutch their purses or cross the street in their presence, are told they're 'one of the good ones' all the time by people who lack tact (as if to say blacks are inherently inferior as a whole), deal with stupid, racist comments on websites casting a wide net on people of color (check out a lot of YouTube videos), etc.

It goes on. Ask any white person if they'd prefer to live life as a black person and you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who would want to subject themselves to the shit black people have to deal with on a daily basis.

And remember, the NRA and Saint Reagan advocated for gun control when blacks wanted to open carry.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyQTAIiCa4Y

[SeanTX]

Did you hear about the white guy with the dog who wanted to lend support to the protesters last night? They nearly attacked him and chased him off. They erroneously thought he was a cop. That tells you how far gone some of these people are.

I heard about that, and wondered about him, and the dog. What kind of fool takes their dog for a walk in the middle of that ? Somebody else walking his dog there got shot a couple of nights ago, I don't know what happened with him or the dog. I'm glad it sounds like the one last night got away.

I hope the dog got away too -- if some knucklehead in the crowd didn't do something to it then the cops would be happy to shoot it. It's really unfortunate that what could be a good thing (an uprising against the police state) is just going to be remembered for idiots like these looting and attacking innocents.

[Ender]

Did you hear about the white guy with the dog who wanted to lend support to the protesters last night? They nearly attacked him and chased him off. They erroneously thought he was a cop. That tells you how far gone some of these people are.

Who the hell are "these people"? The peaceful protestors who were tear gassed? Assaulted by SWAT?

The "these people" we should be criticizing are the gov goons who can do whatever they want to anyone they want. If the cops are all white, I'd be suspicious myself.

As for those on the forum making the looting a bigger deal than the shooting- let's just hope that it isn't your loved one someday lying dead on the street because of an ego ridden po-po.

The looting was a minor event by a few- the shooting was a major event and damned permanent.

[Natural Citizen]

Who the hell are "these people"?


This is an interesting phenomenon. Some of the language that we read and hear with regard to what is happening down there (and more often focusing on the looting alone) is very similar in nature to the imperialist/militarist mindset that we find from the war rattlers who would support the same model as a legitimate method of logic in foreign policy. Does that make sense? It's kind of ironic that many in the so called conservative faction condone (politically) the looting of entire nations and their resources for financial gain by way of militarized contractors and such and so it is almost fitting that the looting that we are seeing down there would trump the terms of controversy instead of militarized operations that we are seeing there in Ferguson. I've read from many, many folks in that community that they in no way supported the looting and were not involved in it yet the fact remains that it is also their community and personal property that is being fired upon.

Of course, I'm not condoning the looting. Just sharing an observation. Well...very vaguely. Really don't feel like scribbling up what could amount to a small book to explain the midset. I suppose that the word I'm looking for would be doublespeak.

[Anti Federalist]

How to not get bad press:

* do not attack journalists.


How to not get your department taken over by the feds:

* do not make bad press worse


How to not make bad press worse:

* do not attack journalists

http://images.smh.com.au/2013/04/20/4207656/art-boston-thanks-620x349.jpg

[PaulConventionWV]

Well, that's pretty obvious. People like to pretend we live in some sort of post-racial America, but blacks are still viewed as subhuman and subjected to harsher punishment under the law in comparison to whites (even when they commit the same 'crimes'). They're targeted by stop-and-frisks, have a history of being portrayed as criminals or shady characters in media (while the white mobs are romanticized), have been targeted and had their communities destroyed by the war on drugs, have a history of slavery and struggle in the not-too-distant past, grow up in poverty and a lot of the time to single parents, don't have many positive role models, see people clutch their purses or cross the street in their presence, are told they're 'one of the good ones' all the time by people who lack tact (as if to say blacks are inherently inferior as a whole), deal with stupid, racist comments on websites casting a wide net on people of color (check out a lot of YouTube videos), etc.

It goes on. Ask any white person if they'd prefer to live life as a black person and you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who would want to subject themselves to the shit black people have to deal with on a daily basis.

And remember, the NRA and Saint Reagan advocated for gun control when blacks wanted to open carry.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyQTAIiCa4Y

You make a good point. White privilege may exist, but it's really only defined by a lack of respect for blacks, and it only exists because the government treats blacks so poorly. While society's idea of white privilege is merely a figment of our collective imagination, the real white privilege is simply the continued discrimination on the part of the state and it is much more real and pervasive than any notion of privilege supposedly ingrained into society as a whole.

[otherone]

Well, that's pretty obvious. People like to pretend we live in some sort of post-racial America, but blacks are still viewed as subhuman and subjected to harsher punishment under the law in comparison to whites (even when they commit the same 'crimes').

YUP
This is a bi-product of the civil rights movement. Separation and marginalization.

[69360]

Why do black people always loot and burn their own neighborhoods when they get mad at the cops? It's never made any sense.

[twomp]

Did you hear about the white guy with the dog who wanted to lend support to the protesters last night? They nearly attacked him and chased him off. They erroneously thought he was a cop. That tells you how far gone some of these people are.

Let me guess, saw it on Fox news? The bastion of fair and balanced journalism? For future reference, please link these stories that you "hear" about. Not saying you are lying, it just helps to see who the writer of your story is and see if there is any bias.

[Anti Federalist]

I wonder what would happen if they, the St. Louis County cops, said "no"?

[presence]

Missouri governor: Highway patrol will direct security in Ferguson

By Michael Pearson, Ana Cabrera and Catherine E. Shoichet, CNN
updated 5:27 PM EDT, Thu August 14, 2014


He just gave his speech its on CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/14/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html


CNN's Don Lemon reports live from Ferguson, Missouri, today from 10p.m. ET until midnight. Tune in to CNN TV or watch live online or on your mobile device using the Watch CNN feature (http://www.cnn.com/cnnx/?stream=CNN).
Ferguson, Missouri (CNN) -- State troopers are taking over security in Ferguson, Missouri, after days of clashes between local police and protesters.
Gov. Jay Nixon said he decided to put the Missouri State Highway Patrol in charge of security because "at this particular point, the attitudes weren't improving, and the blocks towards expression appeared to be a flashpoint."
Lately, the community of Ferguson, which has been the scene of clashes in the wake of a weekend police shooting that left teenager Michael Brown dead, has looked "more like a war zone, and it's not acceptable," Nixon said.
Now, authorities -- who've faced accusations that they've used excessive force in response to demonstrations -- will be taking a different tack in an effort to calm tensions, officials said Thursday.

"We're all about making sure that we allow peaceful and appropriate protests, that we use force only when necessary, that we step back a little bit and let some of the energy be felt in this region, appropriately," Nixon said

Chosen by the state's governor to head up the new security operation, Missouri State Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson said he planned to meet with protesters Thursday.

"We are going to have a different approach and have the approach that we're in this together," he said.

Police chief: City is a 'powder keg'

Earlier Thursday, the city's police chief described it as a "powder keg."

"The whole situation is not good at this point," Chief Thomas Jackson said a day after clashes in which police fired smoke bombs, tear gas and rubber pellets at protesters who he said had thrown firebombs at police and engaged in gunfire.

Jackson said police would talk about changing "not only the tactics but also the appearance" of law enforcement.

U.S. Justice Department officials have offered to assist local authorities to help them control crowds

"without relying on unnecessarily extreme displays of force,"

Attorney General Eric Holder said in a statement Thursday. The offer has been accepted, he said.
Jackson said protesters also have to do their share by remaining peaceful.

Governor: 'This has clearly touched a nerve'

Ferguson has been the scene of protests since Saturday, when a police officer shot and killed Brown, who was unarmed. Police say he was trying to grab the officer's gun. Witnesses say the 18-year-old was holding his hands in the air when he was fatally shot.


Protesters are angry that police have not released the officer's name and worry that a cover-up is in effect. St. Louis County police and federal investigators are looking into Brown's death. No charges have been filed.

Although locals say race relations have long been troubled (http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/12/us/5-things-ferguson-missouri/index.html) between the city's mostly African-American population and the mostly white police force, anger spilled out after Brown's death, resulting in protests, violence, looting and fires.

Brown's death and protests over the case have resonated far beyond that city, Nixon said Thursday.


"These are deep and existing problems not only in Missouri but in America, and this has clearly touched a nerve," he said.
President Barack Obama also spoke out.

"There is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting," he said. "There is also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protests or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their First Amendment rights."
Their comments came after a night in which heavily armed police and protesters clashed, two reporters were briefly detained and an Al Jazeera America camera crew complained that police shot tear gas at them.

After ordering protesters and reporters to turn off their cameras, police fired smoke bombs, tear gas and rubber bullets at protesters after some threw objects at them Wednesday, according to media accounts. CNN crews have not been ordered to turn off their cameras during the protests.
Twelve people were arrested, Jackson said. Two officers were injured, including one whose ankle was broken when a brick was thrown at him.

[Anti Federalist]

"There is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting," he said. "There is also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protests or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their First Amendment rights."

But, yet, it still happened...

[presence]

"You're in trouble when your SWAT team is on the front line of dealing with a civil disturbance,"

retired Lt. Gen. Russel Honore said Thursday.


In 2005, Honore was dispatched to New Orleans to lead recovery efforts after Hurricane Katrina, when the federal government said it was facing "urban warfare." (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/01/katrina.impact/) Honore famously told police to lower their weapons and defused the tense situation.


"I've seen this done successfully in the past where you have your front line policemen on the front until people start throwing things. Then you have your riot control squads in the back," Honore said on "CNN Newsroom" on Thursday. "The tactics they are using, I don't know where they learned them from. It appears they may be making them up on the way. But this is escalating the situation."







"Any time we have policemen pointing weapons at American citizens, they need to go through retraining," Honor added. "And I think we are about 24 hours too late."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/14/us/missouri-ferguson-police-tactics/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

[phill4paul]

But, yet, it still happened...

...and not a damn thing will be done to those that did it.

[JK/SEA]

But, yet, it still happened...

still happening...

either way...

[AuH20]

Let me guess, saw it on Fox news? The bastion of fair and balanced journalism? For future reference, please link these stories that you "hear" about. Not saying you are lying, it just helps to see who the writer of your story is and see if there is any bias.

Social media. One of the indy journalists there was talking about it.

[AuH20]

Who the hell are "these people"? The peaceful protestors who were tear gassed? Assaulted by SWAT?

The "these people" we should be criticizing are the gov goons who can do whatever they want to anyone they want. If the cops are all white, I'd be suspicious myself.

As for those on the forum making the looting a bigger deal than the shooting- let's just hope that it isn't your loved one someday lying dead on the street because of an ego ridden po-po.

The looting was a minor event by a few- the shooting was a major event and damned permanent.

I think we know who "these people" are. There are black people and then 'these people' a.k.a the lost children of the urban jungle. Self-respecting black people don't normally burn down their neighborhoods. And they don't gun down their neighbors for pair of gaudy kicks made in Asia. 'Those people' tend to do so, as much as the PC crowd wants to throw a temper tantrum when it's empirically proven. I honestly feel for the people who don't want to partake in this particular nasty social experiment.

[TheCount]

I think we know who "these people" are. There are black people and then 'these people' a.k.a the lost children of the urban jungle.

:rolleyes:

[AuH20]

All is well now. Problem solved.

http://www.clipular.com/c/5167205549342720.png?k=n_n0KcsDY8NyTHzWlGfIr6X__Es

[ProIndividual]

The problem is solved by trotting out a token house slave and overseer to placate the field slaves? The problem is solved by further centralizing the authority used to deal with the matter within the monopoly on law enforcement? As opposed to allowing competition through decentralization? Yeah, and if this doesn't work in the end, they'll just further centralize the authority until they run out of layers in the hierarchy. And then the monopoly becomes apparent, and the "changes" in authority are seen for what they are...changing which head of the hydra (multi-headed dragon) is eating you.

[tod evans]

The problem is solved by trotting out a token house slave and overseer to placate the field slaves? The problem is solved by further centralizing the authority used to deal with the matter within the monopoly on law enforcement? As opposed to allowing competition through decentralization? Yeah, and if this doesn't work in the end, they'll just further centralize the authority until they run out of layers in the hierarchy. And then the monopoly becomes apparent, and the "changes" in authority are seen for what they are...changing which head of the hydra (multi-headed dragon) is eating you.

I think you may be giving more credit than is due....

We'll see...

[aGameOfThrones]

"We're all about making sure that we allow peaceful and appropriate protests, that we use force only when necessary, that we step back a little bit and let some of the energy be felt in this region, appropriately," Nixon said

..

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Why do black people always loot and burn their own neighborhoods when they get mad at the cops? It's never made any sense.

Because they're the ones who are constant targets of police and have no other outlet (as someone pointed out earlier, for them to fight back against the police would be a death wish).

I'm not condoning the looting of private businesses within their own community but this is their way of grabbing the attention of the police and the outside public. Unfortunately, those who react like this fail to realize that the police state will now only grow in size and scope, especially within these communities.

[Schifference]

Arresting and charging the cop who murdered that man would have prevented all of this. That would be too easy, I guess. Besides:

"What's the point of having this superb military that you're always talking about if we can't use it?"
--Madeleine Albright

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/06/Police%20State_0.jpg
I agree. After all the police logic is just submit to arrest and plead your case in court.

[PaulConventionWV]

Why do black people always loot and burn their own neighborhoods when they get mad at the cops? It's never made any sense.

When has a predominantly white neighborhood ever had a reason to be mad at the cops (to the same extent as the poverty-stricken black neighborhoods)?

[tod evans]

When has a predominantly white neighborhood ever had a reason to be mad at the cops (to the same extent as the poverty-stricken black neighborhoods)?

Waco, Ruby Ridge...

[AuH20]

When has a predominantly white neighborhood ever had a reason to be mad at the cops (to the same extent as the poverty-stricken black neighborhoods)?

Plenty of reasons. We had a SWAT team gun down a white kid armed with a spoon a few year back. No rioting. No one threw bricks through a Whole Foods window or knocked off Nordstrom's for spring-wear. Not even a knocked over recycling bin. It's total horseshit why anyone would tolerate this behavior. If they attacked the police department I could understand....

[orenbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=707ckG_JPjM

[PaulConventionWV]

Waco, Ruby Ridge...

Those aren't neighborhoods...

[Lucille]

Grigg: “Outside Agitators” in Ferguson
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/outside-agitators-in-ferguson/


...Ferguson is a town of about 21,000 people — two-thirds of whom are black — has an unremarkable violent crime rate (thefts are regrettably plentiful there) and — as the world has seen — a police department that has received the full panoply of military toys and battlefield-grade weapons.

Although it has been armed to the gills through the Pentagon’s 1033 program, the police department has no functional dashcams or body cameras to record “interactions” with the public; the department has received that hardware, but hasn’t gotten around to using it. It’s all a matter of priorities: Military-grade armaments and equipment can enhance officer safety, while video recorders can imperil the career security of abusive police officers. And as the treatment of journalists, both foreign and domestic, by Ferguson police demonstrates, police in that jurisdiction — as elsewhere — are very concerned about the threats posed by video recording devices in the hands of Mundanes.
[...]
Federal officials are not the only “outside” influences contributing to the militarization of the Ferguson PD. Three years ago, then-St. Louis County Police Chief Timothy Fitch was one of dozens of police officials who traveled to Israel on a training junket sponsored by the so-called Anti-Defamation League. While there, the officers were “briefed by senior members of the Israel National Police as well as officials from the Israel Defense Forces and Intelligence/Security organizations.”

Fitch pointed out that his police agency, whose jurisdiction includes Ferguson, “currently houses the St. Louis Terrorism Early Warning (TEW) group, which is the region’s fusion center serving the city of St. Louis and seven counties in Missouri and Illinois.”

A “fusion center” is a Homeland Security soviet that consolidates law enforcement, military, and intelligence operations. It serves as both a collection point and local control node for the Regime’s surveillance and internal security system. Fusion centers also play an important role in indoctrinating “local” police about domestic “threats” as identified by groups such as the ADL and the group calling itself the Southern Poverty Law Center. The notorious 2009 report identifying the “modern militia movement” as the leading “domestic terrorism” threat was the product of the Missouri Information Analysis Center, which operates through a fusion center in that state. More than fifty of those entities pockmark the American landscape like syphilitic sores.

Significantly, many of the Ferguson residents peacefully protesting the killing of Michael Brown have expressed contempt for the soi-disant Reverend Al Sharpton, whose presence is good and sufficient evidence that the powers behind the scenes have set the spin cycle to “race agitate.” Sharpton, as was recently revealed, is not merely an “outside agitator,” but also a federal snitch.

Now that the federalized “local” police in Ferguson have become a liability, the Feds have decided to cut out the middleman: The FBI has now been given operational command, which means that the city is now under tender care of the same agency responsible for the murders at Ruby Ridge and the holocaust at Mt. Carmel.

[The Free Hornet]

Plenty of reasons. We had a SWAT team gun down a white kid armed with a spoon a few year back. No rioting. No one threw bricks through a Whole Foods window or knocked off Nordstrom's for spring-wear. Not even a knocked over recycling bin. It's total horseshit why anyone would tolerate this behavior.

Yes, I'm omitting your last line. One group is not tolerating this behavior and you may not like how that intolerance is expressed, but at least they didn't tolerate a SWAT team killing SpoonBoy.

[PaulConventionWV]

Plenty of reasons. We had a SWAT team gun down a white kid armed with a spoon a few year back. No rioting. No one threw bricks through a Whole Foods window or knocked off Nordstrom's for spring-wear. Not even a knocked over recycling bin. It's total horseshit why anyone would tolerate this behavior. If they attacked the police department I could understand....

Black neighborhoods don't riot every time a black kid is killed, either.

It's just that it's more common for them. "White trash" neighborhoods don't get harassed like this.

[Anti Federalist]

When has a predominantly white neighborhood ever had a reason to be mad at the cops (to the same extent as the poverty-stricken black neighborhoods)?

Kelly Thomas was white.

Baby Bou Bou was white.

Patricia Cook was white.

Jason Turk was white.

Emily Harrison was white.

I could go on and on...

The only difference is that white people, mistakenly, think they are still part of, and being served by, the system

Thus, when cops do shit like this to well broken in and compliant white people:

http://www.sott.net/image/s6/138122/full/ss_130419_boston_manhunt_24_ss.jpg

They respond like this:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/23qyrg7.jpg

I'll leave it to you to decide which is worse...prostrate, cowering compliance, or rioting and looting.

[Occam's Banana]

The head of the proverbial nail cannot be hit any more squarely than this:


Kelly Thomas was white.

Baby Bou Bou was white.

Patricia Cook was white.

Jason Turk was white.

Emily Harrison was white.

I could go on and on...

The only difference is that white people, mistakenly, think they are still part of, and being served by, the system.

[PaulConventionWV]

Kelly Thomas was white.

Baby Bou Bou was white.

Patricia Cook was white.

Jason Turk was white.

Emily Harrison was white.

I could go on and on...

The only difference is that white people, mistakenly, think they are still part of, and being served by, the system

Thus, when cops do shit like this to well broken in and compliant white people:

http://www.sott.net/image/s6/138122/full/ss_130419_boston_manhunt_24_ss.jpg

They respond like this:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/23qyrg7.jpg

I'll leave it to you to decide which is worse...prostrate, cowering compliance, or rioting and looting.

Forget it. Apparently my point has been lost completely.

[pcosmar]

Forget it. Apparently my point has been lost completely.

?? You had a point?

[Anti Federalist]

Forget it. Apparently my point has been lost completely.

No, elaborate, if I missed your point.

I'm not trying to be shitty with you.

But clearly, white folks have just as much to fear from a hyper aggressive, militarized police force as anybody else, they just don't realize it.

[Ender]

Yes, I'm omitting your last line. One group is not tolerating this behavior and you may not like how that intolerance is expressed, but at least they didn't tolerate a SWAT team killing SpoonBoy.

Exactly. Amazing the prejudices that pop up on this forum.

Nasty black community because a few, who were not involved in the protest, did some looting.

Respectable white neighborhood because they sat on their butts and did NOTHING when SpoonBoy was killed.

[mad cow]

The only difference is that white people, mistakenly, think they are still part of, and being served by, the system


If by system you mean the convenience stores,tire shops,strip malls and such owned and run and worked in by my neighbors, then yes I am still a part of and being served by it.
That's why I will never loot them in a riot no matter what my so-called grievances might be.

[Anti Federalist]

If by system you mean the convenience stores,tire shops,strip malls and such owned and run and worked in by my neighbors, then yes I am still a part of and being served by it.
That's why I will never loot them in a riot no matter what my so-called grievances might be.

No, I mean the system of government overseers.

"So called"?

What, am I imagining the dead kid in the street, gunned down by a cop?

[mad cow]

No, I mean the system of government overseers.

"So called"?

What, am I imagining the dead kid in the street, gunned down by a cop?

I was talking about my so-called grievances.And whites have rioted and vandalized and looted,1999 Seattle WTO riots come to mind,there are many others.

I don't particularly like the WTO and I hate militarized cops,but whatever happens,my neighbors are safe from me ever looting their stores,burning their cars or throwing bricks through their windows.
I find it to be inexcusable behavior,but hey,that's just me.

[Anti Federalist]

I was talking about my so-called grievances.And whites have rioted and vandalized and looted,1999 Seattle WTO riots come to mind,there are many others.

I don't particularly like the WTO and I hate militarized cops,but whatever happens,my neighbors are safe from me ever looting their stores,burning their cars or throwing bricks through their windows.
I find it to be inexcusable behavior,but hey,that's just me.

As are mine.

I would hope that if it ever came to that, I could convince the mob to riot and loot the proper targets.

[69360]

Those aren't neighborhoods...

Close enough. Did white people in Idaho and Texas loot and burn afterwards? Nope.

[Lucille]

Kelly Thomas was white.

Baby Bou Bou was white.

Patricia Cook was white.

Jason Turk was white.

Emily Harrison was white.

I could go on and on...

The only difference is that white people, mistakenly, think they are still part of, and being served by, the system

Thus, when cops do shit like this to well broken in and compliant white people:

http://www.sott.net/image/s6/138122/full/ss_130419_boston_manhunt_24_ss.jpg

They respond like this:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/23qyrg7.jpg

I'll leave it to you to decide which is worse...prostrate, cowering compliance, or rioting and looting.

I've always thought that the sign in the last pic should read something like, "Thank you for smoking, David Hanberry!" The jackbooted thugs couldn't even find the perp when operating under Marital Law (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/15163-boston-bombing-lessons-martial-law-doesn-t-work), FFS.

Anti-Tyranny Tipping Point?
Boston kowtowed—Ferguson didn’t. Article by John Whitehead.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/08/john-w-whitehead/anti-tyranny-tipping-point/


The difference between what happened in Boston in the wake of the Boston Marathon explosion and what is happening now in Ferguson, Missouri, is not in the government’s response but in the community’s response.
[...]
Consider that it was just a little over a year ago that the city of Boston was locked down while police carried out a military-style manhunt for the suspects in the Boston Marathon explosion. At the time, Americans welcomed the city-wide lockdown, the routine invasion of their privacy, and the dismantling of every constitutional right intended to serve as a bulwark against government abuses.

[Warlord]

Kelly Thomas did it to himself.

[ProIndividual]

Yeah, right, he just beat himself to death. Roger that...lol

[ProIndividual]

And now the National Guard are going in...and the next rung of the hierarchy is reached. Up, up, and away, until we get all the way up and the coercive monopoly becomes fully visible to all. Remember what I said:


The problem is solved by trotting out a token house slave and overseer to placate the field slaves? The problem is solved by further centralizing the authority used to deal with the matter within the monopoly on law enforcement? As opposed to allowing competition through decentralization? Yeah, and if this doesn't work in the end, they'll just further centralize the authority until they run out of layers in the hierarchy. And then the monopoly becomes apparent, and the "changes" in authority are seen for what they are...changing which head of the hydra (multi-headed dragon) is eating you.

One rung at a time...

[devil21]

No, elaborate, if I missed your point.

I'm not trying to be shitty with you.

But clearly, white folks have just as much to fear from a hyper aggressive, militarized police force as anybody else, they just don't realize it.

White people's day to day in cities isn't as harsh....but when the hammer drops there's no mistaking it, for that same reason.