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presence
08-13-2014, 06:19 PM
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http://mashable.com/2014/08/13/ferguson-police-protests-vs-iraq/

Origanalist
08-13-2014, 06:31 PM
Out of rep, pretty damn revealing.

Philhelm
08-13-2014, 07:01 PM
Iraq 2003:

http://i315.photobucket.com/albums/ll454/Philhelm/FeedingDucks_zpsb7b14e4f.jpg (http://s315.photobucket.com/user/Philhelm/media/FeedingDucks_zpsb7b14e4f.jpg.html)

2young2vote
08-13-2014, 09:09 PM
Is there a difference in mentality between the two groups? The Police vs the Military?

AuH20
08-13-2014, 09:18 PM
Is there a difference in mentality between the two groups? The Police vs the Military?

trigger discipline. Police are skittish.

Root
08-13-2014, 09:34 PM
Is there a difference in mentality between the two groups? The Police vs the Military?
Maybe physical conditioning too? I see fat cops all over AmerKia.

phill4paul
08-13-2014, 09:35 PM
trigger discipline. Police are skittish.

Soldiers in an war zone with little or no accountability, like their AmeriKan uniformed cousins, are not?

AuH20
08-13-2014, 09:37 PM
Soldiers in an war zone are not?

Soldiers are least accustomed to bizarre ROEs and discharge restrictions. Police remind me of this...

http://media0.giphy.com/media/iNut1EsMMvDdS/200.gif

aGameOfThrones
08-13-2014, 09:40 PM
all I see is 2 sets of heroes.

phill4paul
08-13-2014, 09:41 PM
Soldiers are least accustomed to bizarre ROEs and discharge restrictions. Police remind me of this...

http://media0.giphy.com/media/iNut1EsMMvDdS/200.gif

No, it is about the same. ROE and "discharge restrictions" are just terms that really have no bearing on actuality.

AuH20
08-13-2014, 09:43 PM
No, it is about the same. ROE and "discharge restrictions" are just terms that really have no bearing on actuality.

No, actually you were not allowed to discharge your weapon in Iraq until fired upon. My marine buddy was in Fallujah and told me about the nonsense. The military is degrees higher than cops in terms of fire discipline and general battlefield awareness.

cajuncocoa
08-13-2014, 09:46 PM
Out of rep, pretty damn revealing.
Covered

phill4paul
08-13-2014, 09:46 PM
No, actually you were not allowed to discharge your weapon in Iraq until fired upon. My marine buddy was in Fallujah and told me about the nonsense.

Supposedly the same strictures apply in AmeriKa. Doesn't mean it didn't and doesn't happen. And when it is done then it is covered up for the sake of face saving.

AuH20
08-13-2014, 09:48 PM
Supposedly the same strictures apply in AmeriKa. Doesn't mean it didn't and doesn't happen. And when it is done then it is covered up for the sake of face saving.

Police don't put in the same time with their firearms as the military. Some police may visit the range two to three times a year max. And they aren't as disciplined.

phill4paul
08-13-2014, 09:50 PM
Police don't put in the same time with their firearms as the military. And they aren't as disciplined.

Please tell me how this has any bearing on what I typed.

Dr.3D
08-13-2014, 09:56 PM
Is there a difference in mentality between the two groups? The Police vs the Military?
One won't usually fire upon civilians, the other thinks it's enemy is the civilians.

fr33
08-13-2014, 10:09 PM
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dillo
08-13-2014, 10:17 PM
Even if it were desirable, America is not strong enough to police the world by military force. If that attempt is made, the blessings of liberty will be replaced by coercion and tyranny at home. Our Christian ideals cannot be exported to other lands by dollars and guns. Persuasion and example are the methods taught by the Carpenter of Nazareth, and if we believe in Christianity we should try to advance our ideals by his methods. We cannot practice might and force abroad and retain freedom at home. We cannot talk world cooperation and practice power politics

Howard Buffet

Mani
08-13-2014, 11:48 PM
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http://mashable.com/2014/08/13/ferguson-police-protests-vs-iraq/



Are those Helmet cams??


So the military in a warzone need to wear helmet cams? Is that for accountability purposes?

And yet cops protecting and serving DON'T!?

TheTexan
08-14-2014, 12:50 AM
What's the big deal? Shouldn't our heroes in uniform have the best equipment money can buy???

It's not like they're going to use all that military equipment to just one day start taking your guns, and throw you into FEMA camps. Considering that such a thing has never, ever happened before it just sounds like some absurd conspiracy theory with no basis in reality.

Mani
08-14-2014, 01:07 AM
What's the big deal? Shouldn't our heroes in uniform have the best equipment money can buy???

It's not like they're going to use all that military equipment to just one day start taking your guns, and throw you into FEMA camps. Considering that such a thing has never, ever happened before it just sounds like some absurd conspiracy theory with no basis in reality.

EXACTLY! That whole Japanese American camps during WWII, I have a feeling was completely made up anyway. Our Gov't doesn't do stuff like that, it was completely over-exaggerated. My guess is IF the gov't really did round up Japanese Americans, they probably moved them into cute little BnB's and had a nice view and stuff.

Uriel999
08-14-2014, 01:38 AM
Are those Helmet cams??


So the military in a warzone need to wear helmet cams? Is that for accountability purposes?

And yet cops protecting and serving DON'T!?

No, those are Norotos rhino mounts for using PVS-14 NVG's. Now company's have made adapters for Go-Pros to fit to them so we can make motarded videos but it isn't for accountability.

Mani
08-14-2014, 02:47 AM
No, those are Norotos rhino mounts for using PVS-14 NVG's. Now company's have made adapters for Go-Pros to fit to them so we can make motarded videos but it isn't for accountability.

So it's mainly for night vision?

Demigod
08-14-2014, 02:52 AM
Is there a difference in mentality between the two groups? The Police vs the Military?

When the police becomes like the military then the state is at war with its people.

Mani
08-14-2014, 03:05 AM
Al Jazeera journalists teargassed by security forces — in Ferguson, Missouri, USA

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/13/6001193/al-jazeera-journalists-teargassed-by-security-forces-in-ferguson/in/5757650

Here is a sentence that will be immediately familiar to anyone who has ever followed even a little news out of the Middle East:

Journalists from the Qatari news outlet Al Jazeera were attacked by state security forces today and blanketed in tear gas, as they attempted to film an ongoing protest; this is the latest in a string of attacks on journalists by security forces.

Now see if you can guess the country. It's not Egypt. Not Tunisia.

Nope: this happened, exactly as described, in the United States of America on Wednesday night, in the Missouri town of Ferguson. Here is the video of Al Jazeera America journalists in Ferguson being clearly targeted with tear gas by Ferguson police (apologies for the poor quality):

(video at link)

It began as a joke to compare what's happening in Ferguson with the authoritarian crackdowns in Middle East dictatorships, but the parallels have ceased to become a joke. Also on Wednesday night, police arrested a Washington Post reporter named Wesley Lowery — he was the second Post reporter this year to be arrested for reporting; the first was Tehran Bureau Chief Jason Rezaian. The situation in Ferguson is simply out of control.

Demigod
08-14-2014, 03:07 AM
What's the big deal? Shouldn't our heroes in uniform have the best equipment money can buy???

It's not like they're going to use all that military equipment to just one day start taking your guns, and throw you into FEMA camps. Considering that such a thing has never, ever happened before it just sounds like some absurd conspiracy theory with no basis in reality.

This is in no way the best equipment money can buy.They have no need for snipers and guns,any commander who would give his police officers automatic weapons so they can confront a riot should be fired immediately.All it would take is one under trained scared cop to shot one man in the crowd and from riots you go into an armed insurgency.They should have riot gear and water cannons.And just look at their riot gear it looks like it came from the mall's sporting department.

Why are they even so armed,do they plan to open fire if they are confronted ? if so they are lunatics.

kcchiefs6465
08-14-2014, 03:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kiGGsOplLY

JK/SEA
08-14-2014, 08:30 AM
No, actually you were not allowed to discharge your weapon in Iraq until fired upon. My marine buddy was in Fallujah and told me about the nonsense. The military is degrees higher than cops in terms of fire discipline and general battlefield awareness.

uh...Most Police Depts. HIRE ex-Vets...

Uriel999
08-14-2014, 03:11 PM
So it's mainly for night vision?

correct. As far as accountability we have plenty of that though. We have lifers so worried about following the rules set by the very politicians that sent us out here that it can cost lives. We were all more afraid of the consequences of firing our weapons by our command than fighting a war. Hell, there was an investigation on a guy that saved the lives of Marines in two vehicles because he shot a motorcycle just in time that had a 300 or 400 pound explosive in it. Seriously, it's retarded.

ZENemy
08-14-2014, 03:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkkOQjK71Ss

Philhelm
08-14-2014, 03:23 PM
Is there a difference in mentality between the two groups? The Police vs the Military?

There isn't an IQ maximum that would prevent someone from joining the military. Also, the police point their guns inward while the military points their guns outward.

69360
08-14-2014, 03:31 PM
Is there a difference in mentality between the two groups? The Police vs the Military?


No, they are the same people. A large percentage of police are ex-military.

Natural Citizen
08-14-2014, 04:25 PM
presence is the only one a few that I've seen start a thread on what is happening there in Ferguson without using only the newly created tag "ferguson". So...+ rep to presence for adding outlying relevance while stimulating discussion on the issue. It's kind of funny, really. For a group who prides themselves on organization we sure aren't very organized.