SHTF in Missouri over Michael Brown "only good cop is a dead cop" sign found by news crew

[mrsat_98]

I did not draw the sign I just posted the article from the Blaze.


http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/ScreenSnapz022.jpg

A local news crew captured a disturbing image scrawled in black spray paint outside a Ferguson, Missouri, business after protests turned into violence and looting over the shooting death of an unarmed teen in the city.

“The only good cop is a dead cop,” the message read, according to KTVI-TV. The anchor called it “very disturbing.”

(Source: KTVI-TV)
(Source: KTVI-TV)
KTVI says nearly 20 stores have been vandalized in the looting spree.

Early Monday afternoon KTVI removed a video it had previously posted about the vandalism.

Facebook user Jeanne Marie Hawkins posted video of what appears to be looting at a Shoe Carnival store in the area:

[mrsat_98]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLI2PDNA5eM

[bolil]

blowback.

[ZENemy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olILVp-J7Y8

[limequat]

I don't get why they're looting businesses. Go loot the PD.

[thoughtomator]

I don't get why they're looting businesses. Go loot the PD.

The looting of businesses is happening because the cops are all holed up protecting their own asses, leaving everyone else to their own devices.

[Pericles]

I don't get why they're looting businesses. Go loot the PD.

Those aren't rioters, they are Wealth Redistribution Engineers.

[otherone]

I don't get why they're looting businesses. Go loot the PD.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQCO4BomuZVfR_3GzalN3YxU_HBFxTlt eRI0dwggg6F92REOSiQ

[TheTexan]

I don't get why they're looting businesses. Go loot the PD.

What they should really be doing is starting a petition and collect signatures

[Pericles]

What they should really be doing is starting a petition and collect signatures

Judicious target selection is the key to effective violence.

[pcosmar]

They "found" this sign?

I find it puzzling,, seeing that no one is actually targeting police.

[TheTexan]

Sharpton stepped to the microphones Tuesday and urged that people in Ferguson not "betray the gentle giant" that Brown was by allowing their anger over his killing to lead to violence. "Don't be a traitor to Michael Brown in the name of 'you mad,' " Sharpton said

Sharpton is right, violence isnt the answer. Less riots, and more organized protests with people carrying signs with catchy phrases on them demonstrating their displeasure. And angry letters. Lots of angry letters.

[phill4paul]

They "found" this sign?

I find it puzzling,, seeing that no one is actually targeting police.

Don't know for sure but....

"FAA Issues Flight Restriction After Rioters Fired ‘Multiple Times’ At Police Helicopter"

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/12/faa-issues-flight-restriction-after-rioters-fired-multiple-times-at-police-helicopter/#ixzz3ADHZnbZQ

[newbitech]

I don't get why they're looting businesses. Go loot the PD.

Lawlessness spawned by "law enforcement" violating the law. Just another symptom. These people seem to have the attitude of, if you can't beat em, join em.

[Lucille]

Don't know for sure but....

"FAA Issues Flight Restriction After Rioters Fired ‘Multiple Times’ At Police Helicopter"

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/12/faa-issues-flight-restriction-after-rioters-fired-multiple-times-at-police-helicopter/#ixzz3ADHZnbZQ

Just saw that on ZH:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-12/faa-just-closed-low-flying-airspace-over-ferguson


The Ferguson "revolution" may be televised courtesy of straight to YouTube cell phone clips, but any chopper-based TV crews will have to find a different vantage point, as will any and all low flying aircraft (with the exception of US government drones of course), because moments ago, the FAA announced that starting 1315 UTC through 2000 UTC on August 12, "No pilots may operate an aircraft in the areas covered by this NOTAM (except as described). ONLY RELIEF AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS UNDER DIRECTION OF ST." The Reason? "TO PROVIDE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES." Because TV crews recording every incident put "law enforcement" in jeopardy?
[...]
To summarize, in addition to the heavily militarized police presence, and the barring of journalists and protestors, the government just prohibited news helicopters. Which, of course, is simply government code that tonight Ferguson may get "turbulent."

Related:

Ferguson As America: "There Is A Brewing Problem... And It's Extremely Dangerous"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-12/ferguson-america-there-brewing-problem-and-its-extremely-dangerous


Riots are have erupted with hundreds of protesters gathering at a suburban St. Louis police station on Monday demanding murder charges against an officer who shot to death an unarmed black teenager over the weekend. Looting just went nuts like the ’60s. While this is being painted as a race issue, there is yet another issue that is not being addressed – that is the militarization of the civil police forces around the country.
[...]
This killing of this black teen is not simply racism. The problems are much deeper. Claiming this is just racism deflects the entire issue and makes it simply black-v-white. This is something far more serious for it is impacting our entire society.

[...]The police are being transformed from protecting the public into protecting government from the public. Most do not even see what transformation they have gone through.

[aGameOfThrones]

why didn't they just write some SWLOD?

[XNavyNuke]

Don't know for sure but....

"FAA Issues Flight Restriction After Rioters Fired ‘Multiple Times’ At Police Helicopter"

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/12/fa...#ixzz3ADHZnbZQ

The restrictions serve the LEO's interest by keeping news helicopters out of the area.

XNN

[TheTexan]

Lawlessness spawned by "law enforcement" violating the law. Just another symptom. These people seem to have the attitude of, if you can't beat em, join em.

Yep, it needs to be contained. Looks like Al Sharpton is already on top of it... we need more famous black people to speak up, like I don't know, Cornel West maybe?

[Lucille]

Grigg: To Provoke and Suppress: The Military Occupation of Ferguson, Missouri
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/to-provoke-and-suppress-the-military-occupation-of-ferguson-missouri/


“Bring it, you f*****g animals! Bring it!” taunted a tonsured thug in the employ of the Ferguson, Missouri Police Department during protests over the police killing of 18-year-old Michael Brown. According to Dorian Johnson, who witnessed the killing from just a few feet away, the incident began when a still-unidentified officer hurled a similar taunt at the two of them from a patrol car.

“Get the f**k on the sidewalk!” the officer reportedly snarled at the young men from his patrol vehicle. Johnson told the officer that they had nearly arrived at his home, which was their destination. The officer then slammed on his brakes, threw his vehicle into reverse — nearly hitting the pedestrians, and growled, “What’d you say?”
[...]
A crowd that gathered at the scene of the killing grew into a protest that extended through Saturday evening, and a protest march the following day. More than 100 officers from 15 police agencies converged on the neighborhood to confront the protesters. One officer described the scene as a “war zone.” A group of violent people group hived off from the protests and attacked local businesses, including a QuickTrip convenience store. Predictably, the riot police who had assembled to “restore order” by suppressing the protests did nothing to protect private property. That role was carried out by local businessmen bearing arms in their own defense.

Many black residents of Ferguson regard themselves as living under a military occupation, subject to the whims of violent, uniformed strangers who can detain, abduct, or kill them on a whim. The reported behavior of the officer who killed Michael Brown — and the documented behavior of the officer who was caught on film taunting the protesters — would tend to validate that perception.

[aGameOfThrones]

too bad this comment wasn't directed at cops, "We didn't want them coming in here and then running around with a bunch of free guns," (http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/ferguson_riots_north_county_business_owners_some_a rmed_survey_the_damage.php)

[Pericles]

The restrictions serve the LEO's interest by keeping news helicopters out of the area.

XNN

winner

[limequat]

Chief decided to not release the name of the police officer in the interest of his safety.

I wonder if other murderers are afforded the same discretion?

[PaulConventionWV]

What they should really be doing is starting a petition and collect signatures

Ok, now you're definitely trolling.

[DamianTV]

I almost wonder if the Cops themselves did not make those signs?

[Anti Federalist]

why didn't they just write some SWLOD?

By god that's what's needed here, a whole raft of SWLODs.

And the good cops speaking out against this murder.

It worked for the polite white folks in Fullerton...oh...wait.

[presence]

St Louis riots:
police use tear gas, rubber bullets



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/st-louis-riots-police-use-tear-gas-rubber-bullets-on-crowd-in-ferguson-protesting-teen8217s-death-20140813-103euj.html#ixzz3AE2aU0ai


FAA Implements No Fly Zone in Ferguson
Police say their helicopter was shot at multiple times



http://time.com/3105035/ferguson-faa-no-fly-zone/



more difficult for news media to get aerial footage of the town as the Brown story continues to develop.

Ferguson Police Department Will Not Release Name Of Officer Involved In Michael Brown Shooting


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/12/ferguson-police-department_n_5671590.html


Police to Ferguson Bystanders:
"You Are in the Middle of a War Zone"


http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/welcome_to_the_ferguson_war_zone.php

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/assets_c/2014/08/tank2-thumb-550x363.jpg



Police in Ferguson Fire Tear Gas on Protesters
Standing in Their Own Backyard




http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/police_in_ferguson_fire_tear_gas_on_protesters_wit h_hands_up_in_their_own_backyard.php


"This my property! This my property!" he shouted, prompting police to fire a tear gas canister directly at his face.

He moved at the last second.


"This my shit!" West screamed irately after narrowly avoiding the gas canister. Eventually a friend grabbed him and pulled him back to calm him down.


"This is my backyard! This is my shit!" West continued screaming into the camera. He turned to the police: "Y'all go the fuck home!"




I couldn't make this shit up. B-damn!


"This is our home. This is our residence," West's brother added. "Why do you think people say 'fuck the police?' Because of that shit."


Flora Busby, West's mother, a soft-spoken woman in her 60s, came into the backyard to see if her sons were alright.


"We in our backyard!" she said. "Why you gotta shoot us?"


Again West shouted at the police. And again they fired another gas canister into the yard -- this one nearly hitting his house.


"It's pure ignorance," West responded after catching his breath. "I pay property taxes here. I should be able to be in my backyard any time."


He said that regular harassment by the Ferguson police department, often in the form of traffic stops, has been occurring ever since he was sixteen years old.


"They ain't gotta be throwing tear gas in my backyard," added Busby. "This is my property. We were just standing back there, my son was standing back there, and I go to see about him and they threw it."

[limequat]

I like how the outsiders are advocating for non-violence.
Poor ol' Al Sharpton will be out of a job if things go Bundy.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

“The only good cop is a dead cop,” the message read, according to KTVI-TV. The anchor called it “very disturbing.”




Yeah, a sign is very disturbing. :rolleyes: Don't shit yourself now.

[Origanalist]

St Louis riots:
police use tear gas, rubber bullets



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/st-louis-riots-police-use-tear-gas-rubber-bullets-on-crowd-in-ferguson-protesting-teen8217s-death-20140813-103euj.html#ixzz3AE2aU0ai


FAA Implements No Fly Zone in Ferguson
Police say their helicopter was shot at multiple times



http://time.com/3105035/ferguson-faa-no-fly-zone/




Ferguson Police Department Will Not Release Name Of Officer Involved In Michael Brown Shooting


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/12/ferguson-police-department_n_5671590.html


Police to Ferguson Bystanders:
"You Are in the Middle of a War Zone"


http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/welcome_to_the_ferguson_war_zone.php

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/assets_c/2014/08/tank2-thumb-550x363.jpg



Police in Ferguson Fire Tear Gas on Protesters
Standing in Their Own Backyard




http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/police_in_ferguson_fire_tear_gas_on_protesters_wit h_hands_up_in_their_own_backyard.php




I couldn't make this shit up. B-damn!






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXhtvd0o2Fw

Holy shit, those cops are sitting ducks. If anybody ever decides they've had enough it wouldn't take much.

[Antischism]

This is what happens when you systematically oppress poor people and minorities, and lord over them with a state-sanctioned domestic army of thugs. When the "justice system" is rigged against you, the only option left for people is to fight back in any way they can.

[SeanTX]

What they should really be doing is starting a petition and collect signatures

They also need to start a voter's registration drive -- voting along with petitions and strongly-worded letters of complaint will change things for the better ...

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I'm sure some angrily written letters and some coordinated voting in the local election will surely fix this...meanwhile the same people who say they're on their side (looking at you white progressives) want to prevent the ability of these people to defend themselves...because Government cannot ever be totalitarian here! *snark snark*

[mrsat_98]

The cops think these unruly ones are animals.

And the unruly one think they are animals with rights.

Dam crying shame.

[LibertyEagle]

This is what happens when you systematically oppress poor people and minorities, and lord over them with a state-sanctioned domestic army of thugs. When the "justice system" is rigged against you, the only option left for people is to fight back in any way they can.

Oh bullshit. How about everyone should take responsibility for their actions.

They aren't "oppressed" any more than anyone else. They need to pull their pants up and start taking responsibility for themselves, rather than ask government to subsidize them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII

[Antischism]

Oh bullshit. How about everyone should take responsibility for their actions.

They aren't "oppressed" any more than anyone else. They need to pull their pants up and start taking responsibility for themselves, rather than ask government to subsidize them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII

Check your privilege. :cool:

[AuH20]

Oh bullshit. How about everyone should take responsibility for their actions.

They aren't "oppressed" any more than anyone else. They need to pull their pants up and start taking responsibility for themselves, rather than ask government to subsidize them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII

It's more complex than just that. They were targeted by various special interests in the 1960s and generationally haven't been able to recover, thanks to an entrenched victimization complex. Sometimes it's easier to project shame and blame on the usual subjects instead of correcting mistakes of the past.

I certainly don't think they are currently oppressed though, since mundane is basically a mundane nowadays. There really isn't much a differentiation between the two.

[ctiger2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXhtvd0o2Fw

Holy shit, those cops are sitting ducks. If anybody ever decides they've had enough it wouldn't take much.

Yep, once they start crackin' the guns open it's game on. This is definitely a precursor of things to come. This will be happening in multiple cities in every state across the country at some point.

[LibertyEagle]

Check your privilege. :cool:

:rolleyes:

As long as you see yourself as a victim, you will never be free.

[aGameOfThrones]

Oh bullshit. How about everyone should take responsibility for their actions.

They aren't "oppressed" any more than anyone else. They need to pull their pants up and start taking responsibility for themselves, rather than ask government to subsidize them.



after reviewing the case, after looking at all the evidence, I find their actions Justifiable and they should get backEBTpay.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Police to Ferguson Bystanders:
"You Are in the Middle of a War Zone"


They like to play fast and loose with vocabulary for effect, but some will take different view. "War" is most generally described as armed conflict between two sides. If that's they way they want to define it, then there is significance in this comment:



Holy shit, those cops are sitting ducks. If anybody ever decides they've had enough it wouldn't take much.

By the time there is war, then people have had enough. Armed conflict is the very consequence of people who've had enough.

If the police are going to be so dramatic, then they could not object to any casualties. Even war has rules. If you're a casualty of those rules, they you can't go back and redefine what is just.

You can't have it both ways. If you're going to define it as war, then you must be prepared to suffer the consequences. If citizens take lethal action against the other side, then that is justified in a "war zone."

[Origanalist]

They like to play fast and loose with vocabulary for effect, but some will take different view. "War" is most generally described as armed conflict between two sides. If that's they way they want to define it, then there is significance in this comment:




By the time there is war, then people have had enough. Armed conflict is the very consequence of people who've had enough.

If the police are going to be so dramatic, then they could not object to any casualties. Even war has rules. If you're a casualty of those rules, they you can't go back and redefine what is just.

You can't have it both ways. If you're going to define it as war, then you must be prepared to suffer the consequences. If citizens take lethal action against the other side, then that is justified in a "war zone."

I'm afraid there would be pretty heavy casualties as soon as hostilities commenced from what I just saw.

[SeanTX]

They say the autopsy is in, but they won't release the results. I suppose because some people might find it upsetting to hear how many times he was ventilated --I'm guessing 8-12 bullet wounds (not counting exit wounds).

[AuH20]

They like to play fast and loose with vocabulary for effect, but some will take different view. "War" is most generally described as armed conflict between two sides. If that's they way they want to define it, then there is significance in this comment:




By the time there is war, then people have had enough. Armed conflict is the very consequence of people who've had enough.

If the police are going to be so dramatic, then they could not object to any casualties. Even war has rules. If you're a casualty of those rules, they you can't go back and redefine what is just.

You can't have it both ways. If you're going to define it as war, then you must be prepared to suffer the consequences. If citizens take lethal action against the other side, then that is justified in a "war zone."

Gaks vs. ARs & MRAPs? It wouldn't end well.

[Christian Liberty]

Dead cops are good? I disagree.

[SeanTX]

A rumor, from a local on Reddit :

http://www.reddit.com/live/tdrph3y49ftn/

an hour ago

credible tip: Some Florissant police families are being evacuated from their houses due to threats against them and their families.

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Yep, it needs to be contained. Looks like Al Sharpton is already on top of it... we need more famous black people to speak up, like I don't know, Cornel West maybe?

Unfortunately Cornel West isn't as well-known within the black community as compared to figures like Sharpton and Jackson.

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Oh bullshit. How about everyone should take responsibility for their actions.

They aren't "oppressed" any more than anyone else. They need to pull their pants up and start taking responsibility for themselves, rather than ask government to subsidize them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII

Bullshit. You're an older white woman who has no clue as to what it's like to be born into a slum environment where you're surrounded by violence, drugs, and police harassment, all of which is courtesy of a government that you cannot combat (through peace or force).

[dillo]

is anyone gathering pictures of the wonderful heroes in blue with their weapons of war on the streets. I saw some scary shit earlier.

[AuH20]

Bullshit. You're an older white woman who has no clue as to what it's like to be born into a slum environment where you're surrounded by violence, drugs, and police harassment, all of which is courtesy of a government that you cannot combat (through peace or force).

True, but a sizable majority of these people openly embrace the very same government that has perpetrated the Tuskegee Experiment and host of other social ills (abortion) upon them. It's a bizarre phenomenon to witness. They have no qualms about taking perks from said government, but then lament the negative repercussions associated with the relationship. A logical person would call for a divorce instead of continually reinforcing such misdeeds. There really can't be a middle ground. You're either a ward of the state or a free man.

[Henry Rogue]

I don't get why they're looting businesses. Go loot the PD.
Because they don't have a death wish.

[Henry Rogue]

is anyone gathering pictures of the wonderful heroes in blue with their weapons of war on the streets. I saw some scary shit earlier.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?457742-This-Is-The-Terrifying-Result-Of-The-Militarization-Of-Police-Ferguson

[James Madison]

Bullshit. You're an older white woman who has no clue as to what it's like to be born into a slum environment where you're surrounded by violence, drugs, and police harassment, all of which is courtesy of a government that you cannot combat (through peace or force).

Ageism, racism, and sexism all in the same sentence. Doubleplusgood, comrade. Old white people need to sit down and shut-up.

This fuckin shit on RPFs? Seriously?

[Origanalist]

Ageism, racism, and sexism all in the same sentence. Doubleplusgood, comrade. Old white people need to sit down and shut-up.

This fuckin shit on RPFs? Seriously?

Lol, you never heard it here before?

[Anti Federalist]

Not for nothing, but pull your fucking pants up.

Mike Brown might have been able to run away, if he wasn't wearing his pants around his knees.

Tighten up muthafuckers, you got cops now looking to incinerate you folks.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLI2PDNA5eM

[mczerone]

Oh bullshit. How about everyone should take responsibility for their actions.

They aren't "oppressed" any more than anyone else. They need to pull their pants up and start taking responsibility for themselves, rather than ask government to subsidize them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII

"Proper English" aside - what kind of problem do you have with people standing in their own back yard while a phalanx of the enemy march down their street and fire tear-gas at what appears to be minority females? These guys in the last video before your post were wearing white T-shirts, held their hands up to demonstrate that they weren't a threat, and got fired upon IN THEIR GODDAMNED BACK YARD.

I had to delete the rest of my post, lest I violate some Forum Rules on you.

[mczerone]

Not for nothing, but pull your fucking pants up.

Mike Brown might have been able to run away, if he wasn't wearing his pants around his knees.

Tighten up muthafuckers, you got cops now looking to incinerate you folks.

C'mon, comrad. We should pull our pants DOWN to show support for these people; It aint no property rights violation to show ya' drawers.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I'm afraid there would be pretty heavy casualties as soon as hostilities commenced from what I just saw.


Gaks vs. ARs & MRAPs? It wouldn't end well.

I agree. That is the difference between looting and the purpose some of those people had at the Bundy Ranch. The Bundy Ranch could have ended up very bad. The government however, perceived themselves as having more to lose than people who drove hundreds of miles, at least at that moment in time (the time that counted).

I think at a very micro level some of the decision-makers in these things are just not willing to take any risk. It's very easy for them to ride around playing cowboys and Indians in scenarios like this. The individual order enforcement officers in their 20s and 30s probably (and generally) perceive themselves as having more to lose in life than some of the Ferguson citizens in their 20s and 30s.

The risk for the police right now is actually very low. They will however, downplay that for effect and justification. They know they must keep a solid show because people in more desperate situations don't as carefully consider long term consequences of confrontational actions. The flip side of that is that people like these looters are a galaxy away from the purpose of the Bundy Ranch.

[Origanalist]

I agree. That is the difference between looting and the purpose some of those people had at the Bundy Ranch. The Bundy Ranch could have ended up very bad. The government however, perceived themselves as having more to lose than people who drove hundreds of miles, at least at that moment in time (the time that counted).

I think at a very micro level some of the decision-makers in these things are just not willing to take any risk. It's very easy for them to ride around playing cowboys and Indians in scenarios like this. The individual order enforcement officers in their 20s and 30s probably (and generally) perceive themselves as having more to lose in life than some of the Ferguson citizens in their 20s and 30s.

The risk for the police right now is actually very low. They will however, downplay that for effect and justification. They know they must keep a solid show because people in more desperate situations don't as carefully consider long term consequences of confrontational actions. The flip side of that is that people like these looters are a galaxy away from the purpose of the Bundy Ranch.

For now, yes. I don't see them staying that way much longer.

[mczerone]

True, but a sizable majority of these people openly embrace the very same government that has perpetrated the Tuskegee Experiment and host of other social ills (abortion) upon them. It's a bizarre phenomenon to witness. They have no qualms about taking perks from said government, but then lament the negative repercussions associated with the relationship. A logical person would call for a divorce instead of continually reinforcing such misdeeds. There really can't be a middle ground.

How many of them, or any random Americans, have EVER CONSIDERED that the govt is the enemy?

It's not their fault that the state's indoctrination program sank feelers deep into their skulls and wallets. They are fighting because they know what's wrong. They are simply ignorant as to what's RIGHT.

(And it's no different than a TEA party rally waving flags and wanting their pet govt programs, or a NORML rally starting with the Star-Spangled Banner, or anyone who says "I love my country, but...")

A logical and KNOWLEDGEABLE person with a SUPPORT NETWORK seeks a divorce. A prisoner-wife that hasn't seen the outside world since before she was ten, doesn't have anybody to help her support herself through the divorce, can't afford an attorney, and is told that divorce is a sin for which she'll be sent to hell isn't at fault for not seeing the "simple" solution.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

True, but a sizable majority of these people openly embrace the very same government that has perpetrated the Tuskegee Experiment and host of other social ills (abortion) upon them. It's a bizarre phenomenon to witness. They have no qualms about taking perks from said government, but then lament the negative repercussions associated with the relationship. A logical person would call for a divorce instead of continually reinforcing such misdeeds. There really can't be a middle ground. You're either a ward of the state or a free man.

I agree with this, but it goes well beyond small demographics. Seems to me that a majority of people don't even recognize poor thinking patterns. I live in an area where many, many people are gun rights advocates. These same people who criticize government on the gun issue are the same people who empower government in other ways. They are--for lack of a better term--typical conservatives who advocate government be very active in certain aspects of society. They don't even recognize that strongly empowering government in these other areas adversely diminishes their rights in areas like firearms.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

For now, yes. I don't see them staying that way much longer.

Hopefully, it's just that the millennium and slow decline of America is young.

[AuH20]

I agree with this, but it goes well beyond small demographics. Seems to me that a majority of people don't even recognize poor thinking patterns. I live in an area where many, many people are gun rights advocates. These same people who criticize government on the gun issue are the same people who empower government in other ways. They are--for lack of a better term--typical conservatives who advocate government be very active in certain aspects of society. They don't even recognize that strongly empowering government in these other areas adversely diminishes their rights in areas like firearms.

I think elements of cognitive dissonance run across all demographics in some capacity, but blacks appear to be the most susceptible group to this voodoo. And let me state that this has nothing to do with political parties but rather a general perspective on how we perceive the world.

[Origanalist]

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[NIU Students for Liberty]

Ageism, racism, and sexism all in the same sentence. Doubleplusgood, comrade. Old white people need to sit down and shut-up.

This fuckin shit on RPFs? Seriously?

Nope, simply calling her out on her tiring "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" bullshit logic when she is clueless to their environment.

[Origanalist]

Nope, simply calling her out on her tiring "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" bullshit logic when she is clueless to their environment.

And you know this how?

[presence]

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions...

[LibertyEagle]

"Proper English" aside - what kind of problem do you have with people standing in their own back yard while a phalanx of the enemy march down their street and fire tear-gas at what appears to be minority females? These guys in the last video before your post were wearing white T-shirts, held their hands up to demonstrate that they weren't a threat, and got fired upon IN THEIR GODDAMNED BACK YARD.

I had to delete the rest of my post, lest I violate some Forum Rules on you.

I hate to interrupt your mob agitation, but of course I don't agree with cops doing that. We were talking about two different things.

[LibertyEagle]

Ageism, racism, and sexism all in the same sentence. Doubleplusgood, comrade. Old white people need to sit down and shut-up.

This fuckin shit on RPFs? Seriously?

Indeed, and it sure should show Bryan what this forum has become.

[LibertyEagle]

Bullshit. You're an older white woman who has no clue as to what it's like to be born into a slum environment where you're surrounded by violence, drugs, and police harassment, all of which is courtesy of a government that you cannot combat (through peace or force).

And in your mind, that excuses them looting and burning down private businesses? Really? If so, Mr. "Students for Liberty", it makes me wonder if you have confused liberty with license.

Tell me why it is that the vast majority of black Americans desire to increase the size and scope of that government who you say they cannot combat?


Nope, simply calling her out on her tiring "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" bullshit logic when she is clueless to their environment.

Gosh, amazing isn't it, that all the people who have found themselves born into lousy conditions from the very beginning of this country, didn't embrace a victim complex and blame everyone else for their situation, but rather pulled themselves out of it.

[Roxi]

True, but a sizable majority of these people openly embrace the very same government that has perpetrated the Tuskegee Experiment and host of other social ills (abortion) upon them. It's a bizarre phenomenon to witness. They have no qualms about taking perks from said government, but then lament the negative repercussions associated with the relationship. A logical person would call for a divorce instead of continually reinforcing such misdeeds. There really can't be a middle ground. You're either a ward of the state or a free man.

Catch 22... ever had rice every day for 3 weeks straight so you could make sure the $10 you could borrow from a friend would buy enough food to last your kids a week? Ever had your kids question you about why there is never any food in the house? All while the people around you are telling you how much you OWE it to your kids to get assistance from a government you are completely against? All while people around you are telling you that you're abusing your children by not filing for at least temporary assistance?

And don't give me the "perhaps you shouldn't have had so many kids" line either, because people lose good jobs, peoples husbands and wives die, or leave. People run into issues they can't control. It makes it much easier to take a handout from anyone you can get it from, no matter how much you loathe the hand giving it to you.

Not saying a large chunk of people in this situation aren't happy to feed off the tit of government, but they can't all be lumped into that group. Especially in areas like this, where the ONLY place you can possibly afford to live is the shitty little suburbs or ghettos if you're in that situation.

[James Madison]

Nope, simply calling her out on her tiring "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" bullshit logic when she is clueless to their environment.

It worked well for the Irish. Italians seem to be doing okay. How about the Japanese, who were tossed into prison camps during WW2? Or Chinese, who came here dirt-poor and worked 15 hours a day building railroads?

You can only play the victim card for so long before my sympathy runs out. How long before it's your own damn fault?

[bolil]

Oh bullshit. How about everyone should take responsibility for their actions.

They aren't "oppressed" any more than anyone else. They need to pull their pants up and start taking responsibility for themselves, rather than ask government to subsidize them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII

You literally have no idea what you are talking about, do you? The prison statistics speak for themselves. Ever here of supply side economics? How about incentive driven behavior?

[Roxi]

Also, I'd like to see proof that the looting and rioting was actually perpetrated by local citizens. Everyone is quick to judge this community based on that alone, but it doesn't seem like too many are questioning what benefit the looting and rioting actually has for the LEO's.

Not saying people won't take advantage of free stuff, and not saying people don't act like lunatics when they're angry, because I know this happens, but I'm not so quick to believe that it isn't being encouraged covertly by those in charge.

[Mani]

They like to play fast and loose with vocabulary for effect, but some will take different view. "War" is most generally described as armed conflict between two sides. If that's they way they want to define it, then there is significance in this comment:




By the time there is war, then people have had enough. Armed conflict is the very consequence of people who've had enough.

If the police are going to be so dramatic, then they could not object to any casualties. Even war has rules. If you're a casualty of those rules, they you can't go back and redefine what is just.

You can't have it both ways. If you're going to define it as war, then you must be prepared to suffer the consequences. If citizens take lethal action against the other side, then that is justified in a "war zone."


I like how it's a war zone, with one side having armored vehicles, armored troops, guns, and tear gas. And the other side is hurling F'bombs. That's a war zone to you?? Fucking morons.

As NCL implies, it's not a war zone if the other side isn't arming themselves and fighting you back. Looting businesses and stealing stuff which you are not even protecting, doesn't qualify.

These cops are so desperate to call something a war, but have never experienced anyone fighting them back. They just like to get dressed up in their gear, hut hut around when they find pot smokers, beat up 12 year olds or shoot tear gas at people swearing at them, and they think they are fighting a war. Clueless fucks.

I'm not advocating anyone arm themselves and fight back BTW, I'm just pointing out the ridiculous nature of these guys thinking they are in a war zone, when the only thing being hurled toward them are curse words.

[SeanTX]

These cops are so desperate to call something a war, but have never experienced anyone fighting them back.

I think that's what did Mike Brown in , he dared to fight back, even if it was just "mouthing off" or pushing back against a car door that was slammed into him. Or trying to get out of a choke hold.

The cop wasn't used to somebody fighting back and it probably sent the officer into a mag dumping rage.

[Mani]

Also, I'd like to see proof that the looting and rioting was actually perpetrated by local citizens. Everyone is quick to judge this community based on that alone, but it doesn't seem like too many are questioning what benefit the looting and rioting actually has for the LEO's.

Not saying people won't take advantage of free stuff, and not saying people don't act like lunatics when they're angry, because I know this happens, but I'm not so quick to believe that it isn't being encouraged covertly by those in charge.

That's possible, I have no idea. Although it sure makes the narrative convenient. Stupid looters and "rioters" immediately makes them the bad guy, and the cops the good guys protecting the community.

It completely takes the killing of a possibly innocent man, murdered by a police officer, and changes the story to, "Thank God the police are here to save the city. Crazy bad evil looters." It washes away the bad police argument and makes them the good guys again.

I don't like the looting at all, distracts the entire argument.

[NIU Students for Liberty]

And in your mind, that excuses them looting and burning down private businesses? Really? If so, Mr. "Students for Liberty", it makes me wonder if you have confused liberty with license.

Tell me why it is that the vast majority of black Americans desire to increase the size and scope of that government who you say they cannot combat?

Never said I was ok with the looting of the private businesses but for you to act as if those living in the inner city have it just as bad as you, really displays your ignorance. That is why I called you out initially.

And in regards to blacks and their alleged favoritism towards big government policies (pretty sure they're not fans of the police state or wars), I can say that about any race living in this country that votes Republican or Democrat. Granted I don't agree with the mob reaction of this recent shooting, but at least there is an uproar in these communities every time a similar incident occurs that puts the police on notice.

[LibertyEagle]

You literally have no idea what you are talking about, do you? The prison statistics speak for themselves. Ever here of supply side economics? How about incentive driven behavior?

Are you for real? Or just take a wrong turn on your way to Democratic Underground?

Let me make this real simple for you. People are responsible for their own actions. Period.

If someone leaves their keys in their car and someone steals it, the latter is still a thief.

[bolil]

Are you for real? Or just take a wrong turn on your way to Democratic Underground?

Let me make this real simple for you. People are responsible for their own actions. Period.

If someone leaves their keys in their car and someone steals it, the latter is still a thief.

Sure, and when those actions do not involve the creation of a victim and land only one group of people in jail? What then? Am I for real? You've seen me be an asshole, a drunk, and probably a dumb-ass but you've never seen me be fake :).

No, its bootstraps. No way the gov would target certain segments of the population... right?

[Mani]

I think that's what did Mike Brown in , he dared to fight back, even if it was just "mouthing off" or pushing back against a car door that was slammed into him. Or trying to get out of a choke hold. It probably sent the officer into a mag dumping rage.

You are most probably right. That's how a lot of people have met their demise. Even the guy who got the choke hold with the untaxed cigarettes. He said, "This ends now!" He stood up to them. And "resisting arrest" is what these people are accused of, and sometimes killed for it.

I still don't count that as fighting back as in a "WAR ZONE." Like a real war zone, with an armed enemy with guns and explosives and an intent to kill/destroy the enemy. They have not seen that war zone that they get all excited about. That's completely different than people who try to assert themselves from a uniformed bully.

[NIU Students for Liberty]

It worked well for the Irish. Italians seem to be doing okay. How about the Japanese, who were tossed into prison camps during WW2? Or Chinese, who came here dirt-poor and worked 15 hours a day building railroads?

You can only play the victim card for so long before my sympathy runs out. How long before it's your own damn fault?

Many of the Japanese-Americans who were released from the internment camps never recovered financially since the federal government did not compensate them for their stolen property.

The groups that you mentioned, while treated unfairly, were not enslaved and segregated in this country to the degree that blacks were.

[LibertyEagle]

Never said I was ok with the looting of the private businesses but for you to act as if those living in the inner city have it just as bad as you, really displays your ignorance. That is why I called you out initially.
I said nothing like that. But, since you bring it up, it doesn't matter whether they have it tougher than someone else or not, it doesn't give them the license to go looting and burning someone else's property. I shouldn't be having to tell you that.


And in regards to blacks and their alleged favoritism towards big government policies (pretty sure they're not fans of the police state or wars), I can say that about any race living in this country that votes Republican or Democrat. Granted I don't agree with the mob reaction of this recent shooting, but at least there is an uproar in these communities every time a similar incident occurs that puts the police on notice.
Puts them on notice FOR WHAT? Just a bunch of low-life hoodlums acting like low-life hoodlums.

Let's see... they think a cop unjustly shot a black kid. Got it. So, they go loot and burn private businesses that had NOTHING to do with it. Yeah, that'll show 'em. lolol

[bolil]

I said nothing like that. But, since you bring it up, it doesn't matter whether they have it tougher than someone else or not, it doesn't give them the license to go looting and burning someone else's property. I shouldn't be having to tell you that.


Puts them on notice FOR WHAT? Just a bunch of low-life hoodlums acting like low-life hoodlums.

Let's see... they think a cop unjustly shot a black kid. Got it. So, they go loot and burn private businesses that had NOTHING to do with it. Yeah, that'll show 'em. lolol


The proper outlet for their rage is beyond their means. Theye are not naming the cop, nor are theye taking any action against him. They cant fight because they are seriously outgunned. So the rage is coming out sideways. I understand that, doesn't make it right, but I get it. If you don't... then I don't know.

[LibertyEagle]

Many of the Japanese-Americans who were released from the internment camps never recovered financially since the federal government did not compensate them for their stolen property.

The groups that you mentioned, while treated unfairly, were not enslaved and segregated in this country to the degree that blacks were.

So, you want remuneration? Is that it? Or, so more government programs to take money out of some peoples' pockets to put in your own? How much is it going to take, Mr. "Student for Liberty"?

[LibertyEagle]

The proper outlet for their rage is beyond their means. Theye are not naming the cop, nor are theye taking any action against him. They cant fight because they are seriously outgunned. So the rage is coming out sideways. I understand that, doesn't make it right, but I get it. If you don't... then I don't know.

Oh come on. JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL BROWN! Gotta get me some rims and Cheetos! :rolleyes:

Now, if they had shown up at the police station, I would have understood that much better. But, not looting and burning private property.

[bolil]

Oh come on. JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL BROWN! Gotta get me some rims and Cheetos! :rolleyes:

Now, if they had shown up at the police station, I would have understood that much better. But, not looting and burning private property.

Shown up at the police station to be mowed down. Gotcha.

[LibertyEagle]

Shown up at the police station to be mowed down. Gotcha.

So, they loot businesses that had NOTHING to do with it? Yeah, that makes sense. :rolleyes:

[Christian Liberty]

Catch 22... ever had rice every day for 3 weeks straight so you could make sure the $10 you could borrow from a friend would buy enough food to last your kids a week? Ever had your kids question you about why there is never any food in the house? All while the people around you are telling you how much you OWE it to your kids to get assistance from a government you are completely against? All while people around you are telling you that you're abusing your children by not filing for at least temporary assistance?

And don't give me the "perhaps you shouldn't have had so many kids" line either, because people lose good jobs, peoples husbands and wives die, or leave. People run into issues they can't control. It makes it much easier to take a handout from anyone you can get it from, no matter how much you loathe the hand giving it to you.

Not saying a large chunk of people in this situation aren't happy to feed off the tit of government, but they can't all be lumped into that group. Especially in areas like this, where the ONLY place you can possibly afford to live is the shitty little suburbs or ghettos if you're in that situation.

The average person would have at least twice as much money if it wasn't for this government. You shouldn't feel guilty about taking from the government you are against. If you genuinely have need, you are the type of person those programs were created for in the first place. To refuse to collect what you were forced to pay for on principle seems silly to me. Also keep in mind that 95% of the US are morons who don't even realize they're being stolen from. I don't see anything wrong with recouping some of your losses.

[bolil]

So, they loot businesses that had NOTHING to do with it? Yeah, that makes sense. :rolleyes:

It does. It makes sense that it would come out sideways. Faced with overwhelming force on one side and motivated by a true injustice. It's called blowback and its as true domestically as it is regarding foreign affairs. The looting was motivated by a cop blasting a young man. Did the cop know it would work out that way? No. Because blowback is unpredictable.

[NIU Students for Liberty]

I said nothing like that. But, since you bring it up, it doesn't matter whether they have it tougher than someone else or not, it doesn't give them the license to go looting and burning someone else's property. I shouldn't be having to tell you that.


Puts them on notice FOR WHAT? Just a bunch of low-life hoodlums acting like low-life hoodlums.

Let's see... they think a cop unjustly shot a black kid. Got it. So, they go loot and burn private businesses that had NOTHING to do with it. Yeah, that'll show 'em. lolol

Yes, you did: "They aren't 'oppressed' any more than anyone else." And once again, I never said they should go around looting.

The fact that the police began threatening to arrest protestors, not to mention having to wear and handle militarized weaponry (again, these are cops) shows that they were in defense mode. If a similar shooting incident were to occur in an affluent or even a middle class suburb, the average citizen would either ignore and go about their day or cheer on the police, proclaiming them as "heroes" for "just doing their job".

[mczerone]

So, they loot businesses that had NOTHING to do with it? Yeah, that makes sense. :rolleyes:

How do you like being told that you're "blaming America" if you look into the causes of terrorism?

The only thing that anyone here is saying about the looting is that it's an expected result when there's civil unrest and the population hasn't been exposed to philosophy. There's no shifting of blame away from those specific people that are looting, nor shaming of all non-police residents of Ferguson for the stupid actions of the few looters.

To me, you sound like McCain advocating that all people in Iraq have to pay for the actions of 19 Saudis, and that there's nothing that 'Merica can ever do wrong.

The looters are solving their problems in a horrible, unjust way - but it's the only way they know how. The Terrorists try to solve their problems the only way that they know how. I'm not excusing either, but it's understandable that the conditions imposed on them drove the violent responses.

Yeah, people need to take responsibility. But you're expecting people that have gone through a 20-year Lord-of-the-Flies propaganda system and come out the other side knowing nothing about actual responsibility to magically acquire those skills. If that's what you're advocating, why aren't YOU taking some responsibility and going to Ferguson to spread the message of peace and personal responsibility to those who are looking for answers?

[LibertyEagle]

How do you like being told that you're "blaming America" if you look into the causes of terrorism?

The only thing that anyone here is saying about the looting is that it's an expected result when there's civil unrest and the population hasn't been exposed to philosophy. There's no shifting of blame away from those specific people that are looting, nor shaming of all non-police residents of Ferguson for the stupid actions of the few looters.

To me, you sound like McCain advocating that all people in Iraq have to pay for the actions of 19 Saudis, and that there's nothing that 'Merica can ever do wrong.

The looters are solving their problems in a horrible, unjust way - but it's the only way they know how. The Terrorists try to solve their problems the only way that they know how. I'm not excusing either, but it's understandable that the conditions imposed on them drove the violent responses.

Yeah, people need to take responsibility. But you're expecting people that have gone through a 20-year Lord-of-the-Flies propaganda system and come out the other side knowing nothing about actual responsibility to magically acquire those skills. If that's what you're advocating, why aren't YOU taking some responsibility and going to Ferguson to spread the message of peace and personal responsibility to those who are looking for answers?

Actually, I didn't see much of the holding them accountable for their actions. Just the opposite in fact. I also saw mob mentality here, which was more than disgusting.

I am concerned about the shooting and want the facts to be shown. Not that I necessarily believe they will be. But, I'm damn sure not going to applaud the little hoodlums who were doing the looting and burning. Nor, am I going to jump to a conclusion about what did or didn't happen with the shooting until we know more.

I venture to say that a great many of the people in this neighborhood have not only IPADS and big screen TVs, they also have computers. So, they have the same ability to search out information as we do. I agree that it would be good to reach out and try to teach them, but it still doesn't absolve them of the responsibility for their own actions.

[fr33]

So, they loot businesses that had NOTHING to do with it? Yeah, that makes sense. :rolleyes:

Who is they? All protestors?

It was reported that Tamerlan Tsarnaev and Don Black both voiced support for Ron Paul. I guess you're lumped in with that "they" since that's how it apparently works according to you.

[LibertyEagle]

Who is they? All protestors?

It was reported that Tamerlan Tsarnaev and Don Black both voiced support for Ron Paul. I guess you're lumped in with that "they" since that's how it apparently works according to you.

They is the ones doing the looting and burning.

You can go on and take your foot out of your mouth now.

[fr33]

They is the ones doing the looting and burning.

You can go on and take your foot out of your mouth now.

My foot is far from my mouth. It's you who acts like all the protestors took a break to go looting. As someone who's been part of a fringe movement, you should know better. A few useful idiots does not represent the whole bunch.

[fr33]

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQCO4BomuZVfR_3GzalN3YxU_HBFxTlt eRI0dwggg6F92REOSiQ

You do make a good historical reference. I don't think that tea party was really justified but it was effective. They probably could have accomplished just as much as they did had they skipped that and started executing redcoats. But it's probably worth understanding what a group of people stand to lose when they are poor, and pushed into a corner.

[LibertyEagle]

My foot is far from my mouth. It's you who acts like all the protestors took a break to go looting. As someone who's been part of a fringe movement, you should know better. A few useful idiots does not represent the whole bunch.

You should also know better than to jump to conclusions. I have always been talking about those who were doing the looting.

Interesting that I haven't seen you commenting about those who have been apologists for said behavior. It's quite telling.

[kcchiefs6465]

By god that's what's needed here, a whole raft of SWLODs.

And the good cops speaking out against this murder.

It worked for the polite white folks in Fullerton...oh...wait.
Remember the outrage of every officer by that baby being disfigured?

There were marches in solidarity, police officers reaching out to the family, hundreds of thousands of condemnations....

Right?

I'll have to make a thread when RPF's finest goes to serve a year over beating a man with a flashlight. Kicking him in the head.

[fr33]

You should also know better than to jump to conclusions. I have always been talking about those who were doing the looting.

Interesting that I haven't seen you commenting about those who have been apologists for said behavior. It's quite telling.

Look right above this post that I'm quoting (#96). And here. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?457673-quot-The-revolution-will-not-be-televised-quot&p=5613970#post5613970)

[kcchiefs6465]

So, you want remuneration? Is that it? Or, so more government programs to take money out of some peoples' pockets to put in your own? How much is it going to take, Mr. "Student for Liberty"?
Lol.

[tod evans]

Ya know in spite of all the bickering about who has done what or which group has been victimized there's one constant nobody can argue with...

"We the People" are funding this shit.

Every one of us is responsible for permitting unproductive tax-ticks to engage in this war or protest or whatever the hell you want to call it.

Common sense tells me stripping funds from the most costly, most aggressive batch of tax-ticks first would be logical. St Louis county can't afford to pay the blue tax-ticks.....Hell the state of Missouri can't!

The brown tax-ticks aren't any different, they too are being played like a cheap flute.

I don't agree with any federal funding of either group and I know very few people who do other than here on RPF.

Those who argue to fund tax-ticks of ANY stripe are, and have been, complicent in what's fixing to happen in this country and it's shameful!

These two groups of lower echelon tax-ticks making a ruckus is only a distraction as the large and burrowed in tax-ticks continue to suck the life from this country.

Bread-n-circuses.....:(

[Spikender]

If only the entire country could have this much anger that was channeled in a positive way to make change and finally free it from the chains that have binded it for so long.

I've been keeping up with the latest in Ferguson, but it just makes me wish that more people could get this upset over the killings that happen everyday both here and abroad thanks to our Government. Makes me wish everyone had the energy and the education to make a difference.

Oh well.

I like the sign.

[XNavyNuke]

So, they loot businesses that had NOTHING to do with it? Yeah, that makes sense. :rolleyes:

Protesters in Boston circa 1770 should never have been mowed down without a magistrate reading the riot act. I didn't matter how much damage the protestors caused or how many rocks and threat were hurled at the authorities.

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/bostonmassacre/bostonaccount.html

Public school never reveals the details on how many riots there were, how much losses the merchants supporting the system incurred, nor how many times homes and offices of those holding the reigns of royal authority were torn down around their ears.

It may not be right, but those who feel oppression often lash out in unpredictable ways. Not saying that any of what's going on is right but don't be ignorant of history or human nature either.

XNN

[JK/SEA]

Is this thread about Michael Brown being mudered by the Stasi, or is it about effin pissed off people sick and fuckin' tired of police oppression?

LE..why are you deflecting from the main story?...is it about Brown?...or the looting for you?....lets focus on Brown LIBERTY EAGLE.

Tank you.

[AuH20]

It worked well for the Irish. Italians seem to be doing okay. How about the Japanese, who were tossed into prison camps during WW2? Or Chinese, who came here dirt-poor and worked 15 hours a day building railroads?

You can only play the victim card for so long before my sympathy runs out. How long before it's your own damn fault?

All those groups mentioned had intact family units and stronger cultures. Blacks were thrown a different curveball, especially after the 1960s. Drugs were moved into their neighborhoods en masse. Wedlock and welfare were basically ushered in by the government after LBJ's social experiments that were later augmented by successive Republican presidents. Obviously, they shouldn't have fallen for the ploy but that's why they are in such dire straits in the inner cities.

[JK/SEA]

All those groups mentioned has intact family units and stronger cultures. Blacks were thrown a different curveball, especially after the 1960s. Drugs were moved into their neighborhoods en masse. Wedlock and welfare were basically ushered in by the government after LBJ's social experiments that were later augmented by successive Republican presidents. Obviously, they shouldn't have fallen for the ploy but that's why they are in such dire straits in the inner cities.

well it appears the cops are cleaning that mess up...meanwhile cop apologists rail on, and the bodies continue to pile up to their satisfaction...

[thoughtomator]

I predict this will escalate by people targeting the police and their families. I'm already seeing signs of things headed in that direction. The police chief AND his family (wife & kids) have already been doxed.

[tod evans]

I predict this will escalate by people targeting the police and their families. I'm already seeing signs of things headed in that direction. The police chief AND his family (wife & kids) have already been doxed.

Why shouldn't it escalate?

The kops are shooting "family members"...

I want to jerk funding from both sides because I don't/won't support either one.

[LibertyEagle]

Yes, you did: "They aren't 'oppressed' any more than anyone else."
Because they aren't.


And once again, I never said they should go around looting.
You don't seem a bit concerned about it. Rather, you've spent more time running after me for saying something about it.


The fact that the police began threatening to arrest protestors, not to mention having to wear and handle militarized weaponry (again, these are cops) shows that they were in defense mode. If a similar shooting incident were to occur in an affluent or even a middle class suburb, the average citizen would either ignore and go about their day or cheer on the police, proclaiming them as "heroes" for "just doing their job".

From what I saw, they didn't the first night. You know, while the employees at the Quik Trip that was torched were huddled in the back room and said they thought they were going to be murdered by the looters that night. Yeah, those people.

I don't like the militarization of the police any more than you do. Probably less, in fact. Apples and oranges.

[LibertyEagle]

Is this thread about Michael Brown being mudered by the Stasi, or is it about effin pissed off people sick and fuckin' tired of police oppression?

LE..why are you deflecting from the main story?...is it about Brown?...or the looting for you?....lets focus on Brown LIBERTY EAGLE.

Tank you.

Sure, JK, just as soon as people here stop acting like the looting had one damn thing to do with the death of that kid. They were low-life pieces of shit who saw an opportunity to take something that didn't belong to them. So, they did it.

[AuH20]

This is a great American, Sean Hannity. A strong black man.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f0mVn0HH6U

[Cap]

Should not this be classified as classic blow-back?

[Philhelm]

I predict this will escalate by people targeting the police and their families. I'm already seeing signs of things headed in that direction. The police chief AND his family (wife & kids) have already been doxed.

Perhaps his wife should have spread her legs for a man that wasn't tyrannizing the public. No sympathy for her; she can share her husband's fate for all I care. It's like mobster wives - they know full well what their darling husbands do.

[Christian Liberty]

Perhaps his wife should have spread her legs for a man that wasn't tyrannizing the public. No sympathy for her; she can share her husband's fate for all I care. It's like mobster wives - they know full well what their darling husbands do.
Its not that simple. Most people are raised to respect the police. And, people are taught that the job of the police officer is to protect the public. That would be something that would be worthy of respect.

Of course, we know better. We probably know better than the average cop. We certainly know better than the average regular guy. WE know that cops rarely actually protect the public, and we know that cops actually purposely focus on victimless crimes at times rather than aggressive acts because its easier. We know that even when a cop means well, the system is built to punish the common man rather than actual aggressors. We know the system is corrupt and that the root needs to be struck. Most people don't know these things.

So,I understand the theoretical, and in many ways very real, connection between cops and mafia. I've even used the comparison before when people say "there's good people in every career." But, I don't think cops see themselves the same way mafia thugs see themselves. And I don't think cop's wives see themselves the same way mafia thug's wives see themselves. The mafia thugs know what they are doing is wrong. Many cops don't.

And, I wouldn't support killing a mafia thug's wife either.

[thoughtomator]

I have no more sympathy for the family of police than I have for the wife of Bernie Madoff. There is no entitlement to live the good life off the proceeds of criminal activity.

[Roxi]

As out of hand as it already was... it's even worse now


http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/875545-antonio-french-alderman-in-st-louis-arrested-in-ferguson-mo-protests-videos/


The situation became more tense after nightfall, with police ordering people to go home and then using smoke bombs and later tear gas after some people threw Molotov cocktails and other things at them. Most of the crowd then dispersed. Journalists who witnessed the events included an Associated Press photographer.


Earlier, Wesley Lowery of The Washington Post and Ryan Reilly of The Huffington Post said they were handcuffed and put into a police van after officers came in to quickly clear the fast-food restaurant where they were doing some work. The Washington Post reported that Lowery said he was slammed against a soda machine and plastic cuffs were put on his wrists. Reilly told MSNBC that an officer slammed his head against the glass “purposefully” on the way out of the restaurant “and then sarcastically apologized for it.” The reporters were subsequently released without any charges.

[Christian Liberty]

I have no more sympathy for the family of police than I have for the wife of Bernie Madoff. There is no entitlement to live the good life off the proceeds of criminal activity.

I'm not saying that you do, but would you say Bernie Madoff's wife deserved to die? I don't.

Look, I'm no fan of the police but I don't think painting them all with the same brush is right either. Yes, they're all bad in some sense. None of them can morally justify what they do. But they aren't all the same. And their families aren't all the same. I see a huge difference between the cop I know who works a desk job and the people who beat Kelly Thomas to death...

[thoughtomator]

I'm not saying that you do, but would you say Bernie Madoff's wife deserved to die? I don't.

If we had the benefit of God's ears, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that she was at least as culpable as he was. It often is the wives that drive the husbands to do what they do. They are certainly not innocent uninvolved bystanders, if that is the alternative status.

[TheTexan]

later tear gas after some people threw Molotov cocktails and other things at them

Sounds like a job for an MRAP, imo

[Mani]

More tweets from the H. Post reporters who were arrested. And interesting how the PD keeps hanging up on the Huffington Post when they try to locate the arrested journalists.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/13/huffington-post-reporter-arrested-ferguson_n_5676829.html




Keep reading down!

Cop gets a broken ankle!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Someone allegedly threw a brick at a cop, and broke his ankle. BURN IT DOWN! BURN THIS CITY DOWN! DAMN YOU FERGUSON CITIZENS! DAMN YOU TO HELL! ALL YOU COPS SHOULD START FEARING FOR YOUR SAFETY AND LIGHT UP THE DAMN PLACE! They hurt one of your heroes with a broken ankle! MAKE THEM PAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mani]

There's another shooting:

http://www.newsweek.com/another-shooting-ferguson-missouri-264278

Early on Wednesday, a police officer shot and critically wounded a man who drew a handgun near the site of protests over the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown, a St. Louis County Police Department officer said.

Police responded about an hour after midnight to reports of four or five men with shotguns and wearing ski masks. They encountered multiple suspects running, one of whom pulled a gun on an officer, who fired at him, the county officer said. The man was taken to an area hospital.


And our leader speaks:

Obama promised a full investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice into the teenager's death.

"I know the events of the past few days have prompted strong passions, but ... I urge everyone in Ferguson,Missouri, and across the country, to remember this young man through reflection and understanding," Obama said in a statement.

[JK/SEA]

i'm reflecting...shut up and let me reflect Prez Comacho....

[AuH20]

We see Pilman. Now here come photos of Brown.



https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10609453_10204621058865135_5039891275610430351_n.j pg

[Christian Liberty]

If we had the benefit of God's ears, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that she was at least as culpable as he was. It often is the wives that drive the husbands to do what they do. They are certainly not innocent uninvolved bystanders, if that is the alternative status.

That's possible, but do any of us really know?

We all woke up at some point. Before that point, we avoided careers like policing only by luck*. I don't think any of us were born knowing that cops were evil. And most people, for one reason or another, aren't thinking like libertarians...

*Or perhaps not strictly "luck." I don't believe in luck. But it certainly wasn't principle, except for those who became libertarians young, as I did.

[JK/SEA]

We see Pilman. Now here come photos of Brown.



https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10609453_10204621058865135_5039891275610430351_n.j pg

aaand your point is?..

here...check this out.

.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f0mVn0HH6U

[tod evans]

We see Pilman. Now here come photos of Brown.


Young man could have been Charlie Manson incarnate and the tax-tick would still be in the wrong...

The only way this type of BS is going to end is by cutting off federal funding to everyone involved.

As long as there's free money to be had both sides are going to bicker.

[AuH20]

Young man could have been Charlie Manson incarnate and the tax-tick would still be in the wrong...

The only way this type of BS is going to end is by cutting off federal funding to everyone involved.

As long as there's free money to be had both sides are going to bicker.

I'm distrustful of both sides. I wish we could whisk away the lifelong dependents as well as the professional shake down artists to a remote island. I don't have any personal interest in what happens. Black man does something dumb. Policeman looking for revenue overreacts. Rinse & Repeat. Burn down stores and then the precinct responds by asking for more funding. Round and round we go.

[tod evans]

I'm distrustful of both sides. I wish we could whisk away the lifelong dependents as well as the professional shake down artists to a remote island. I don't have any personal interest in what happens. Black man does something dumb. Policeman looking for revenue overreacts. Rinse & Repeat. Burn down stores and then the precinct responds by asking for more funding. Round and round we go.

Now there's the internet and severe economic downturn in the mix...

Could get interesting.

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

Come in here thinking my liberty loving friends would be talking about the occupation of an American town by a militarized police force, the trampling of multiple constiutional rights, and a frightening show of authortarian force by a small police department. Instead I see posts about welfare, the same old tired "pull yourself up by your bootstrap" comments, etc. WTF is wrong with you people? You do know ALL black people arent on welfare, right? You do know ALL black people arent killers, drug users, criminals, etc, right?

SMH

[AuH20]

Come in here thinking my liberty loving friends would be talking about the occupation of an American town by a militarized police force, the trampling of multiple constiutional rights, and a frightening show of authortarian force by a small police department. Instead I see posts about welfare, the same old tired "pull yourself up by your bootstrap" comments, etc. WTF is wrong with you people? You do know ALL black people arent on welfare, right? You do know ALL black people arent killers, drug users, criminals, etc, right?

SMH

Until we were sidetracked by the looting of numerous stores (some owned by blacks ironically) which had no affiliation with the police officer in question. The looting destroyed any chance of this going viral. In fact, the looting is the reason why they amassed this huge force, like it or not. Now they certainly went overboard in JBT fashion but some idiots gave them the perfect excuse to train on live targets.

[pcosmar]

Come in here thinking my liberty loving friends would be talking about the occupation of an American town by a militarized police force, the trampling of multiple constiutional rights, and a frightening show of authortarian force by a small police department. Instead I see posts about welfare, the same old tired "pull yourself up by your bootstrap" comments, etc. WTF is wrong with you people? You do know ALL black people arent on welfare, right? You do know ALL black people arent killers, drug users, criminals, etc, right?

SMH

Some of us do,, some of us don't. :(

[tod evans]

Come in here thinking my liberty loving friends would be talking about the occupation of an American town by a militarized police force, the trampling of multiple constiutional rights, and a frightening show of authortarian force by a small police department. Instead I see posts about welfare, the same old tired "pull yourself up by your bootstrap" comments, etc. WTF is wrong with you people? You do know ALL black people arent on welfare, right? You do know ALL black people arent killers, drug users, criminals, etc, right?

SMH

Read my posts Bucko, I very clearly call for defunding the tax-tick kops before defunding the welfare crowd.

Here if you're to lazy to go back and read;


Ya know in spite of all the bickering about who has done what or which group has been victimized there's one constant nobody can argue with...

"We the People" are funding this shit.

Every one of us is responsible for permitting unproductive tax-ticks to engage in this war or protest or whatever the hell you want to call it.

Common sense tells me stripping funds from the most costly, most aggressive batch of tax-ticks first would be logical. St Louis county can't afford to pay the blue tax-ticks.....Hell the state of Missouri can't!

The brown tax-ticks aren't any different, they too are being played like a cheap flute.

I don't agree with any federal funding of either group and I know very few people who do other than here on RPF.

Those who argue to fund tax-ticks of ANY stripe are, and have been, complicent in what's fixing to happen in this country and it's shameful!

These two groups of lower echelon tax-ticks making a ruckus is only a distraction as the large and burrowed in tax-ticks continue to suck the life from this country.

Bread-n-circuses.....:(

[AuH20]

Read my posts Bucko, I very clearly call for defunding the tax-tick kops before defunding the welfare crowd.

Here if you're to lazy to go back and read;

Paying taxes are patriotic. Ask the welfare crowd. I say cold turkey for all tax ticks. MIC, Wall Street, Urban Dependents, the AARP crowd & the alphabet agencies as well as law enforcement.

[tod evans]

Paying taxes are patriotic. Ask the welfare crowd. I say cold turkey for all tax ticks. MIC, Wall Street, Urban Dependents, the AARP crowd & the alphabet agencies as well as law enforcement.

A-Fucking-Men!

+rep!

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

Until we were sidetracked by the looting of numerous stores (some owned by blacks ironically) which had no affiliation with the police officer in question. The looting destroyed any chance of this going viral. In fact, the looting is the reason why they amassed this huge force, like it or not. Now they certainly went overboard in JBT fashion but some idiots gave them the perfect excuse to train on live targets.

There were some stores looted a few days ago after the initial shooting. Every black person was appauled by that. But it is always funny to me that a store getting looted or a glass getting broken = OUTRAGE by you guys, but a kid being killed by a cop = "Well, he must have done something to provoke"

Whats going on in Ferguson now has nothing to do with Looting. This is about putting the foot on people who are tired. We have our own issues we have to deal with. Black on black crime, education, poverty etc. You dont think we know we have a lot to fix? Police treat us like shit, and always have. While it seems that some in these crowds might focus their anger towards whites in general, the ANGER IS TOWARDS THE AUTHORITIES (who to many blacks are white most of the time).

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

A-Fucking-Men!

+rep!

I agree with all of that. The thing I try to tell black folks all the time, you constantly support big government but this is always going to be the result. It doesnt matter who is in charge.

[tod evans]

Then work with those of us who would stop funding them.

These "authorities" you speak of don't get their funding locally.

[AuH20]

I agree with all of that. The thing I try to tell black folks all the time, you constantly support big government but this is always going to be the result. It doesnt matter who is in charge.

All those goodies have stings attached to them. Dumbasses don't realize that when you're fed and clothed like a child by a particular party, that same party will have no qualms with spanking you when the time comes. That's what we are witnessing. Orphaned children who are perplexed at what has happened to them and in turn are lashing out at everything.

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

Then work with those of us who would stop funding them.

These "authorities" you speak of don't get their funding locally.

Oh I know. I've been telling people for years about how the US govt is giving all of this military equipment to local PD's due to the overflow of cash the DoD gets. Been called a conspiracy theorist, a nut, etc. "Thats for the terrorists" they say.

[tod evans]

Oh I know. I've been telling people for years about how the US govt is giving all of this military equipment to local PD's due to the overflow of cash the DoD gets. Been called a conspiracy theorist, a nut, etc. "Thats for the terrorists" they say.

Welcome to the world of domestic terrorism....:o

[pcosmar]

I agree with all of that. The thing I try to tell black folks all the time, you constantly support big government but this is always going to be the result. It doesnt matter who is in charge.

The thing that bothers me,,,(and yes,, it really bothers me)
is that there is no Militia. In urban areas in general,, but in the black communities especially.

The only arms are in the hands of the criminally intent,, or the few folks that are afraid to actually use them.
And any organization is discouraged by those that are so called leaders.

The only organized group with arms were a few defending businesses (that was good),, but that needs to extend to folks defending their communities.

This idea that Militia is just a bunch of fat old white rednecks needs to be corrected.

And those Rednecks should also be joining in solidarity, for both personal training and Mutual defense.

The anger is real and justified.. but the direction (rioting) of that anger and frustration is misdirected.

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

The thing that bothers me,,,(and yes,, it really bothers me)
is that there is no Militia. In urban areas in general,, but in the black communities especially.

The only arms are in the hands of the criminally intent,, or the few folks that are afraid to actually use them.
And any organization is discouraged by those that are so called leaders.

The only organized group with arms were a few defending businesses (that was good),, but that needs to extend to folks defending their communities.

This idea that Militia is just a bunch of fat old white rednecks needs to be corrected.

And those Rednecks should also be joining in solidarity, for both personal training and Mutual defense.

The anger is real and justified.. but the direction (rioting) of that anger and frustration is misdirected.

A group of black people arming themselves? That never goes well. LOL

[Madison320]

Actually, I didn't see much of the holding them accountable for their actions. Just the opposite in fact. I also saw mob mentality here, which was more than disgusting.

I am concerned about the shooting and want the facts to be shown. Not that I necessarily believe they will be. But, I'm damn sure not going to applaud the little hoodlums who were doing the looting and burning. Nor, am I going to jump to a conclusion about what did or didn't happen with the shooting until we know more.

I venture to say that a great many of the people in this neighborhood have not only IPADS and big screen TVs, they also have computers. So, they have the same ability to search out information as we do. I agree that it would be good to reach out and try to teach them, but it still doesn't absolve them of the responsibility for their own actions.

I seem to be one of the few that agrees with you. We've been burned so many times lately by false reporting (Jena 6, Duke Lacrosse, Trayvon Martin). We need to wait for some facts on this case. And history shows you can't get them from the mainstream media.

[thoughtomator]

A group of black people arming themselves? That never goes well. LOL

The original purpose of US gun laws was to stop the KKK's victims from defending themselves. For those not aware, the KKK was essentially the terrorist wing of the Democratic Party.

[AuH20]

I seem to be one of the few that agrees with you. We've been burned so many times lately by false reporting (Jena 6, Duke Lacrosse, Trayvon Martin). We need to wait for some facts on this case. And history shows you can't get them from the mainstream media.

Finally some reason. I'm all for lynching the cop if he did indeed do this, but please be patient.

[pcosmar]

A group of black people arming themselves? That never goes well. LOL

Well,, I know.. That was the reason for Gun Control in the first place.

Though white guys with guns have been pretty well demonized as well.

I seem to remember some dark skinned gentlemen involved with the Bundy standoff though.
And that was the first Militia victory in a long time,, and without a shot being fired.

[thoughtomator]

Finally some reason. I'm all for lynching the cop if he did indeed do this, but please be patient.

You should be able to tell that this is a capital murder case from the behavior of the parties involved.

There is no question now in my mind that this officer murdered Brown. The behaviors of the parties involved are 100% consistent with that.

The Ferguson PD is knowingly and willingly protecting a murderer. Their well-crafted, intentionally misleading statements combined with a blanket effort to suppress information are consistent with a pattern we have seen many times before: PD puts the clamps on an investigation while they work out how to get their guy off. Here it is five days later and they refuse to give a clear, detailed statement of the incident, or provide any evidence. In the meantime, they come out in paramilitary force, attack journalists and unarmed citizens, and impose a flight ban (to stop news choppers). This behavior simply doesn't fit any scenario of innocence.

Meanwhile, on the other side, witnesses and other members of that community have been up front telling their stories in fine detail. While these may not be model citizens their behavior is consistent with people telling the truth, and the truth they tell is consistent with mountains of data on escalating police brutality/militarization/lawlessness that have been compiled over the past few years.

Unless there is some extraordinary piece of evidence yet to be revealed, that cop is a murderer and every member of the Ferguson PD is a co-conspirator.

[pcosmar]

Unless there is some extraordinary piece of evidence yet to be revealed, that cop is a murderer and every member of the Ferguson PD is a co-conspirator.

+rep

That is the bottom line,, and a great bottom line.

[tod evans]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to thoughtomator again.

Repless...:o

[phill4paul]

Repless...:o

Gotcha covered.

[limequat]

Something to remember: the victim doesn't need to be innocent to remain a victim.

Everyone is imperfect, and they will exploit those imperfections in order to justify violence. Remember how they tried to call Miriam Carey crazy? Or those 12 year olds they cops beat up. But it was OK because they found drugs.

Michael Brown may have in fact been a thug (I'm sure this is how they'll paint him). Doesn't matter. Even thugs deserve justice. Even crazy people and even drug dealers.

[Lucille]

Something to remember: the victim doesn't need to be innocent to remain a victim.

Everyone is imperfect, and they will exploit those imperfections in order to justify violence. Remember how they tried to call Miriam Carey crazy? Or those 12 year olds they cops beat up. But it was OK because they found drugs.

Michael Brown may have in fact been a thug (I'm sure this is how they'll paint him). Doesn't matter. Even thugs deserve justice. Even crazy people and even drug dealers.

"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."
--H. L. Mencken

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

I seem to be one of the few that agrees with you. We've been burned so many times lately by false reporting (Jena 6, Duke Lacrosse, Trayvon Martin). We need to wait for some facts on this case. And history shows you can't get them from the mainstream media. History has show you cant get it from the Police either or this POS justice system.

[Ender]

There were some stores looted a few days ago after the initial shooting. Every black person was appauled by that. But it is always funny to me that a store getting looted or a glass getting broken = OUTRAGE by you guys, but a kid being killed by a cop = "Well, he must have done something to provoke"

Whats going on in Ferguson now has nothing to do with Looting. This is about putting the foot on people who are tired. We have our own issues we have to deal with. Black on black crime, education, poverty etc. You dont think we know we have a lot to fix? Police treat us like shit, and always have. While it seems that some in these crowds might focus their anger towards whites in general, the ANGER IS TOWARDS THE AUTHORITIES (who to many blacks are white most of the time).

In 1000% agreement.

Have little patience with the hypocrisy of:

"Where the hell are the protesters!!!" ........

......when things are going bad and when the protesters show up it becomes:

"Oh! Bad people!!! 4 guys looted! Of course they weren't part of the protesters but- you know, they're all alike!"

[Anti Federalist]

Foolish knee-grows...why can't they just submit and comply, like decent white folks?

http://images.smh.com.au/2013/04/20/4207656/art-boston-thanks-620x349.jpg

[KCIndy]

Chief decided to not release the name of the police officer in the interest of his safety.

I wonder if other murderers are afforded the same discretion?


[you must spread some reputation around before giving it to limequat again]

[Philhelm]

This idea that Militia is just a bunch of fat old white rednecks needs to be corrected.

And those Rednecks should also be joining in solidarity, for both personal training and Mutual defense.

This. I would love to see armed militia groups deployed in Ferguson, MO, to help defend a majority black population against a majority white police force. The media reports would be a riot.

Blacks have been bent over the barrel and raw-dogged by the U.S. government since its inception. They infected black men with syphilis for an experiment for fuck's sake (Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment, if I recall correctly), not to mention every other atrocity. By all rights, 90% of blacks should be hard, hardcore, rightwing extremists rather than statist Democrats.

[Lucille]

This. I would love to see armed militia groups deployed in Ferguson, MO, to help defend a majority black population against a majority white police force. The media reports would be a riot.

Blacks have been bent over the barrel and raw-dogged by the U.S. government since its inception. They infected black men with syphilis for an experiment for fuck's sake (Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment, if I recall correctly), not to mention every other atrocity. By all rights, 90% of blacks should be hard, hardcore, rightwing extremists rather than statist Democrats.

Right?!

[twomp]

They is the ones doing the looting and burning.

You can go on and take your foot out of your mouth now.

ALL of them? You seem to put all black people into this generalization of yours. Something you seem to do often. Tell me though, is there more whites or blacks who are on welfare now? From your posts, it must be blacks right? Because ALL black people are free loaders who vote Democrats. How about you do some research and look which states eat up more welfare, blue states or red states. Then go look up how many whites are on welfare before you share your ignorant thoughts with us. You may claim not to be "racist" but when you lump up all blacks as a collective, it sure makes you look like one.

[AuH20]

Daily Paul with some interesting info...

http://www.dailypaul.com/324370/i-live-down-the-street-from-ferguson-i-smell-psyops-distraction


I have a very good / trust worthy friend who's family holds several key positions in St. Louis County Government and County Police Dept. I am getting this from a second hand source which means you are getting this information from a third hand source, still the info i received was SO plausible, I had to share with my friends at the DP. If the information is indeed correct the cop who shot Mike Brown is not going to serve a minute behind bars and if so, look out St. Louis, it's gonna get ugly.

Do not confuse the information here with siding with the police, I think what is happening to the protesters is sickening, I think the cop had plenty more options and this is all just another example of how tyranny is here and upon us.

What I think is all the facts that are available are not being given to the public, much like the Rodney King incident. We are only being given enough information so as to create our own opinions that lead to conjecture based on our own social opinions and bias.

What i have learned is that Mike Brown was walking home from that same QT that would eventually be destroyed. At that QT Mike Brown was confronted by a manager for shoplifting. After that a verbal confrontation ensued followed by short skirmish. Too bad because all of that video evidence was conveniently destroyed when the QT was ransacked and burned to the ground later that night.

Mike Brown and his friend took off. A police call was made, the officer caught up to two guys matching the description and asked them to move to the sidewalk so he could question them about what had just occurred at the QT. Upon ignoring several of the officers requests the officer pulled his cruiser over to block their path and swung his door open. At this Mike Brown rushed the officer and assaulted him as he was trying to exit his car and beat the holy crap out of him till he was lying half in and out of his car. After having the snot knocked out of him the cop got up drew his weapon and ordered Mike to stop as he was running away, at this Mike Brown turned back to the cop not knowing his gun was drawn and charged the officer, not with his hands up as we keep hearing, but reaching up and out in front of him. The cops response is now history. Supposedly the Cop needed stitches and looked like he spent a couple rounds in the ring with Tyson.

Also police have supposedly recovered pictures from Brown's Facebook page where he is flashing guns and gang signs, depicting a little more of a hoodlum than the image of a promising gentle giant headed off to college we are receiving from the mass media.

I'm not taking sides on this case, I'm waiting for all the fact to officially come out for that. What I am saying is St. Louis prepare! I have a bad feeling L.A. April 26th, 1992 is coming to a city near me.

[AuH20]

Great comment!


The narrative we are getting in the news, that a cop with no prior disciplinary issues pulls up and executes an innocent man because of his race doesn't make any sense. However, the police and county have totally botched their response. They should have brought in community leaders and showed them pictures of the cop's injuries. They should have released the recordings of the radio transmissions. The fact that they haven't done this makes the whole thing seem (even if it isn't) fishy.

Now, because of their over the top militarized response to the demonstrations, they have a whole other PR problem on their hand. The images of police in army outfits tear gassing press and then pulling up in armored vehicles to knock over their equipment are chilling. Not to mention the other press that were arrested for taking pictures and not leaving McDonalds fast enough.

I grew up in the St. Louis area and still have lots of family there. Even if I don't buy the story that Mike Brown is 100% innocent, the images of the county PD running around playing army and beating up reporters make me want to go protest.

[Occam's Banana]

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/ScreenSnapz022.jpg


“The only good cop is a dead cop,” the message read, according to KTVI-TV. The anchor called it “very disturbing.”

No, TV Anchor Person, that is not "very disturbing" - that is just "spray paint on a wall."
If it's "very disturbing" you are looking for, then how about some "blood on a street" ... ?

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vPmMxCiraQA/0.jpg

I can't help but wonder ... what sort of editorial remarks did TV Anchor Person have to make about that?

[thoughtomator]

What i have learned is that Mike Brown was walking home from that same QT that would eventually be destroyed. At that QT Mike Brown was confronted by a manager for shoplifting. After that a verbal confrontation ensued followed by short skirmish. Too bad because all of that video evidence was conveniently destroyed when the QT was ransacked and burned to the ground later that night.

Mike Brown and his friend took off. A police call was made, the officer caught up to two guys matching the description and asked them to move to the sidewalk so he could question them about what had just occurred at the QT. Upon ignoring several of the officers requests the officer pulled his cruiser over to block their path and swung his door open. At this Mike Brown rushed the officer and assaulted him as he was trying to exit his car and beat the holy crap out of him till he was lying half in and out of his car. After having the snot knocked out of him the cop got up drew his weapon and ordered Mike to stop as he was running away, at this Mike Brown turned back to the cop not knowing his gun was drawn and charged the officer, not with his hands up as we keep hearing, but reaching up and out in front of him. The cops response is now history. Supposedly the Cop needed stitches and looked like he spent a couple rounds in the ring with Tyson.



I don't buy it for one second. That sounds like the official story they are concocting - and once again it depends on videotape which is conveniently absent.

Pull the other one, coppers.