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tod evans
08-10-2014, 05:59 AM
Using a Taser on an 8-year-old? Mom sues police, city

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/09/us/south-dakota-taser-lawsuit/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Police warned the 8-year-old they were going to tase her.
"Within seconds," an officer fired darts from the electroshock weapon into the chest of the 70-pound girl, according to a lawsuit filed by the girl's mother. "The force of the electricity shot through her body, lifted her, and threw her against a wall. After the officers had stunned (the girl) into high voltage submission, they pulled the fish-hook like Taser darts from her chest, gave her emergency medical attention, bandaged the holes left by the razor-sharp hooks, and called the ambulance."
The reason the police were at the home was to keep the girl from hurting herself; the babysitter had called them because the child had a knife in her hand. All parties agree on this point -- the girl's mother, Dawn Stenstrom, as well as the defendants: the city of Pierre, South Dakota, its former police chief, Robert Grandpre, and the four officers at the scene on October 4, 2013.
But their opinions about the responding officers' actions diverge from there.
The girl's mother says the police used "excessive force" when they used a Taser on her girl. But Grandpre disagreed, telling CNN affiliate KSFY after the incident that the police "might possibly have saved this girl's life."
Because of the pending litigation, Pierre Mayor Laurie Gill refused comment on Saturday. And attorney Robert Anderson, who is representing the defendants, said he was "not going to comment on the merits of pending litigation."
After an independent two-month investigation, the South Dakota Division of Criminal Investigation ruled in December that the officer had acted appropriately.
"Given the circumstances facing the officer at the time, it appears from the report that deploying a Taser was the best viable way to defuse the situation," Wendy Kloeppner, the Hughes County state's attorney, said in a statement.
"That's bull****," Stenstrom's attorney Dana Hanna told CNN on Saturday.
"Four trained police officers surrounding a 70-pound, 8-year-old Indian girl," should have used less risky tactics, Hanna said.
"One distracts her, another grabs the girl's arm. That's what they should have done," Hanna said. "She had a kitchen paring knife, but hadn't cut. She was a kid throwing a tantrum. They should have made an attempt to grab the kid, not use a weapon to throw her into a wall. A Taser's not meant to kill, but it does kill. Many people have died after being hit by a Taser by cops. It never should be used on a little child. She certainly wasn't presenting a danger to officers."
"I don't fault for the police being there because they were called. They were there. But what happened while they were there is why I'm upset," the girl's father, Bobby Jones, told KSFY soon after the incident.
One of the officers was a Taser instructor, while another was a hostage negotiator, KSFY reported.
Grandpre told KSFY last October that Pierre police had used Tasers nine times in the past two years, with the girl, who is identified in the lawsuit only as "L.M.J.," the youngest recipient of the electric shock.
"I don't think 8-year-olds should be Tased anywhere in the world," Jones said.
Jones and Stenstrom are not married, and the father is not a party to the lawsuit, Hanna said.
The plaintiffs are seeking at least $100,000 in damages, plus punitive damages and "other relief as the court shall consider to be fair and equitable."
"Her pain and suffering is going to be of that type that a jury will have to tell us what it's worth," said Hanna's co-counsel Patrick Duffy. "Part of that is going to be a reflection of the fact that you're not supposed to use a Taser on a kid. I don't know of too many cops that don't know that."
Anderson, the defendants' attorney, said he didn't know if the case would go to trial, but Duffy said he hopes it does.
"L.M.J." is getting mental and emotional counseling from a child counselor, Hanna said.
"What is it really going to honestly do for the rest of her life as she has to interact with authority figures and law enforcement?" Duffy said. "What's it going to be like first time she looks in the rear view mirror and law enforcement gives her a speeding ticket? She won't shake that."
Since the incident, Stenstrom and her daughter, who are members of the Rosebud Sioux tribe, have moved from Pierre back to the tribal reservation, Hanna said.

Suzanimal
08-10-2014, 06:27 AM
Just sickening...



while another was a hostage negotiator

A hostage negotiator couldn't talk down an 8 year old girl?



From another article I read on this story.


Police Chief Bob Grandpre said his officers responded according to protocol.

Grandpre has refused to release the officer's name, but says he has not been disciplined and remains on the job.
...

He added that the child was a 'threat' and that his officers are trained to deal with all manner of threats.

'We can’t control if the threat is eight or 80,' Grandpre said.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2720966/Mother-suing-Baltimore-police-using-Taser-EIGHT-YEAR-OLD-daughter-officers-claim-saved-girls-life.html#ixzz39zU3XfBy


No hesitation.

tod evans
08-10-2014, 07:14 AM
These kops must be brought under control and held accountable for their actions.

The "Just-Us" department isn't going to do it either.

donnay
08-10-2014, 07:52 AM
Disgusting. I hope more people sue these bastards and tie up the entire system.

Wooden Indian
08-10-2014, 08:38 AM
Babysitter calls the police because the toddler grabs a pairing knife? Nice. Thank God she didn't grab a steak knife, she may have had to call the National Guard.

My kid was about 5 when she grabbed a pair of scissors and told her mom she was going to stab her after being sent to her room for one thing or another.
So, my wife called me in from outside, I shouted to the top of my lungs to drop them damned scissors or I would throw her Barbies in the garbage and whoop her ass.

They went to the floor, she went to her room, she was corrected, and never had any type problem following that- 17 now and a model teenager.

satchelmcqueen
08-10-2014, 09:09 AM
Babysitter calls the police because the toddler grabs a pairing knife? Nice. Thank God she didn't grab a steak knife, she may have had to call the National Guard.

My kid was about 5 when she grabbed a pair of scissors and told her mom she was going to stab her after being sent to her room for one thing or another.
So, my wife called me in from outside, I shouted to the top of my lungs to drop them damned scissors or I would throw her Barbies in the garbage and whoop her ass.

They went to the floor, she went to her room, she was corrected, and never had any type problem following that- 17 now and a model teenager.
child abuser!!!! i am turning you in ! reported!

Origanalist
08-10-2014, 09:13 AM
Disgusting. I hope more people sue these bastards and tie up the entire system.

I don't think that is the answer.

tod evans
08-10-2014, 09:15 AM
I don't think that is the answer.

We shant discuss viable answers with 1's-n-0's.....

aGameOfThrones
08-10-2014, 10:07 AM
the 8yr old did it to herself. mother should be charge with child endangerment for having knives at the house. i hope the babysitter sues the mother for emotional distress.

69360
08-10-2014, 10:11 AM
If you can't disarm an 8 year old with a knife you shouldn't be in law enforcement.

But, never call the cops.

limequat
08-10-2014, 12:00 PM
^ This.

presence
08-10-2014, 12:09 PM
We shant discuss viable answers with 1's-n-0's.....

I rivercrab what you're sayin'

SeanTX
08-10-2014, 01:08 PM
If she was a paraplegic in a wheelchair waving a ball-point pen she would have been shot and killed.

Or at least that's how Houston PD handles that -- with the grand jury's seal of approval.

aGameOfThrones
08-10-2014, 01:17 PM
If she was a paraplegic in a wheelchair waving a ball-point pen she would have been shot and killed.

Or at least that's how Houston PD handles that -- with the grand jury's seal of approval.

if she had a history of selling untaxed crayons she would have been choked to death.

i'm just waiting on the book, "jesus christ on tasing" by Sgt. Charlie Eipper.

Brian4Liberty
08-10-2014, 01:20 PM
I don't think that is the answer.

It's amazing how effective monetary costs can be on money (and budget) hungry bureaucrats.

SeanTX
08-10-2014, 01:26 PM
It's amazing how effective monetary costs can be on money (and budget) hungry bureaucrats.

Sometimes that's true. There was some small cop shop somewhere that had to be shut down because of too many lawsuits draining the town's budget. Unfortunately, most places can afford to carry insurance to cover such things, or have a big enough tax base to cover what that won't.

bolil
08-11-2014, 12:32 AM
To keep her from hurting herself we hurt her. What the fuck? Sounds like the same logic used to justify the actions of that other pig what beat down that lady on the highway. I mean, did she have the knife to her throat of something? Was she just standing there with it? I really don't understand this, I've a low opinion of most cops but they are people to and what person would taze a kid? Even if she were pressing the knife into her throat the electric charge could've caused her to jerk it in.

Also, sounds like a shitty babysitter.

Origanalist
08-11-2014, 06:05 AM
It's amazing how effective monetary costs can be on money (and budget) hungry bureaucrats.

It's been my experience that the takers just scream for more anytime there is a uptick in the "need" for their services. They usually get it and never take less if the "need" lessens.