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Dequeant
12-02-2007, 02:25 AM
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Sergeant Brother
12-02-2007, 02:41 AM
Then what people say about us wearing tin-foil hats might really be true ;)

I have thought about the same thing myself. I used to fence - you know, sword fighting. Well, they have electric fencing where you basically have a shirt that has metal mesh on it so a connection can be established to register a hit. I wonder if an electric fencing shirt would protect against a taser.

http://www.leonpaulusa.com/fencing/acatalog/F60M_web.jpg

dircha
12-02-2007, 02:44 AM
If you are within physical striking distance of a taser operator, you probably have larger concerns.

The more serious threat is the wired projectile taser. Two projectiles on wires are propelled from the taser, penetrate your clothing, and hook under your skin like fish hooks. The taser operator can then immobilize you at a distance by electrifying the wired projectiles, completing the circuit.

To counter this attack vector, I suspect the best approach would be to prevent penetration of the wired projectiles into your skin. I say this because from everything I have heard, your chances of pulling the projectiles out are very slim, first because once they have penetrated you, it is already too late, and second because they are in there good enough that unless you are willing to inflict some serious wounds on yourself by ripping them out, you aren't going to get them out in the heat of an exchange.

I would think typical bullet resistant armor would prevent penetration in the first place. I'm sure you could test it. Armor and tasers are both legal to buy and own.

TooConservative
12-02-2007, 03:43 AM
Aluminum foil is a classic. LOL.

Can't recall my periodic table but isn't copper a lot heavier than aluminum? Weight is a consideration.

Man from La Mancha
12-02-2007, 03:49 AM
Then what people say about us wearing tin-foil hats might really be true ;)

I have thought about the same thing myself. I used to fence - you know, sword fighting. Well, they have electric fencing where you basically have a shirt that has metal mesh on it so a connection can be established to register a hit. I wonder if an electric fencing shirt would protect against a taser.

http://www.leonpaulusa.com/fencing/acatalog/F60M_web.jpgExcellent, that should do the job. It would short circuit out the tasers probes because it would have less resistance than skin and would have a shorter travel distance for the electricity.


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rpf2008
12-02-2007, 04:04 AM
Something to consider : If a cop tases you and you don't drop he just might shoot you.

idiom
12-02-2007, 04:06 AM
'ere ya go:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/9080/

torchbearer
12-02-2007, 04:10 AM
might want to make your armor out of something that doesn't conduce very well.

Man from La Mancha
12-02-2007, 04:24 AM
Something to consider : If a cop tases you and you don't drop he just might shoot you.
Well then just drop and at least you will be alive and pain free.:)


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rpf2008
12-02-2007, 04:28 AM
I should also add that resistance is futile and this type of thing may cause an arms race of sorts between law enforcement and citizens. I'm pretty sure we know who will win that one.

Man from La Mancha
12-02-2007, 04:38 AM
If any metal type clothing is worn, I imagine if some other force of electricity hits one like lightening, it would heat up and vaporize and could burn one very badly. Also one would make a great lightening rod.



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constituent
12-02-2007, 06:33 AM
if you figure out how to mesh together some busted glass and can line that sucker w/ it, you'll make a killing selling to anyone who might ever have to run from the law...

drug dealers, copper thieves, immigrants, etc.

their sensors can't detect your body heat through glass btw.... that also goes for heat signatures (if you catch my drift, which you do if you should)...
beats scrambling for a cedar tree or concrete pillar to hide behind.

Mortikhi
12-02-2007, 08:03 AM
if you figure out how to mesh together some busted glass and can line that sucker w/ it, you'll make a killing selling to anyone who might ever have to run from the law...

drug dealers, copper thieves, immigrants, etc.

their sensors can't detect your body heat through glass btw.... that also goes for heat signatures (if you catch my drift, which you do if you should)...
beats scrambling for a cedar tree or concrete pillar to hide behind.
Isnt fiber optics made from glass and flexible (to a certain extent)?

constituent
12-02-2007, 08:08 AM
wow... i hadn't considered that. back to the drawing board! friggin' awesome!

Lexx78
12-02-2007, 09:10 AM
there is already a patent out.

http://www.uspto.gov/web/patents/patog/week43/OG/html/1323-4/US07284280-20071023.html

But I agree that it can cause more trouble than solve, also see this piece.

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg19626296.400-taserproof-clothing-creates-new-hazard.html?feedId=health_rss20

PatriotG
12-02-2007, 09:55 AM
I couple of friends And I were taking about this Friday.

We thought it would be a great idea to manufacture anti taser clothing but too late

Found this company that makes anti Taser Fabric.


http://www.thorshield.com/prod01.htm


Oh well..

voytechs
12-02-2007, 09:59 AM
Then what people say about us wearing tin-foil hats might really be true ;)

I have thought about the same thing myself. I used to fence - you know, sword fighting. Well, they have electric fencing where you basically have a shirt that has metal mesh on it so a connection can be established to register a hit. I wonder if an electric fencing shirt would protect against a taser.

http://www.leonpaulusa.com/fencing/acatalog/F60M_web.jpg

You are a nut-job and genius! Who else would have thought to protect our nuts (groin area.)

RPFTW!
12-02-2007, 10:06 AM
Don't forget the hat
http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/ali2.jpg

conner_condor
12-02-2007, 10:18 AM
This would work very well also. Tazer me Bro, meet your maker day.:D:D:D:D

http://web.israelinsider.com/Static/Binaries/Article/palestinianstrapped424_0.jpg

constituent
12-02-2007, 10:35 AM
are we sure conner isn't glen beck?

conner_condor
12-02-2007, 10:40 AM
are we sure conner isn't glen beck?

Get some humor will you. I don't care what kind it is ,but please get some.:D

rodent
12-02-2007, 11:52 AM
might want to make your armor out of something that doesn't conduce very well.

The idea is that the taser current goes through the conductive material and not through your skin. It's going to complete the circuit one way or another, so it's best to give it a past of least resistance that's not through your body.

Just think of the physics problem of having two resistors in parallel. The current through the resistor with higher ohms is a lot less than the resistor with lower ohms; therefore, if you give it a metal path the majority of the current will go through the metal.

conner_condor
12-02-2007, 12:48 PM
Is not tazering someone considered torture also?


tor·ture [ táwrchər ]


transitive verb (past and past participle tor·tured, present participle tor·tur·ing, 3rd person present singular tor·tures)

Definition:

1. inflict pain on somebody: to inflict extreme pain or physical punishment on somebody


2. cause somebody anguish: to cause somebody mental or physical anguish
This headache is torturing me.


3. distort something: to twist or distort something into an unnatural form

reduen
12-02-2007, 01:03 PM
I would like to see a system that would return the voltage back to the person that initiated it in the first place.

Then someone like me who does not believe in violence would have protection against jerks that would use such weapons against us...

amga49
12-02-2007, 01:37 PM
I would like to see a system that would return the voltage back to the person that initiated it in the first place.

Then someone like me who does not believe in violence would have protection against jerks that would use such weapons against us...

I think that's the best idea.

torchbearer
12-02-2007, 01:52 PM
The idea is that the taser current goes through the conductive material and not through your skin. It's going to complete the circuit one way or another, so it's best to give it a past of least resistance that's not through your body.

Just think of the physics problem of having two resistors in parallel. The current through the resistor with higher ohms is a lot less than the resistor with lower ohms; therefore, if you give it a metal path the majority of the current will go through the metal.

Wouldn't the metal heat up? It is conductive...for heat and electricity.

noxagol
12-02-2007, 05:55 PM
Wouldn't the metal heat up? It is conductive...for heat and electricity.

If it has a lot of resistance to the flow. If it does not, it won't. Also, if the flow does not have enough resistance, you would overload the tazer and possibly make it melt or explode.

SeanEdwards
12-02-2007, 06:32 PM
What an awesome idea. Then when the cops figure out that the taser isn't working on you, they'll quickly switch to using the old-fashioned method of subduing people: perforating your body with fast-moving chunks of lead.

:rolleyes:

tnvoter
12-02-2007, 08:09 PM
CAN'T TAZE ME NOW BRO

voytechs
12-02-2007, 08:15 PM
A silly question then. What happens after the cop tries to taser you and you don't go down. Obviously he's attacking you so then what? Do you just beat the shit of him in self defense or tell him, hey if you shoot me in the arm, it will work, trust me.

jondisx
12-02-2007, 08:29 PM
they subdued people for quite a while before the taser was implemented

constituent
12-02-2007, 10:00 PM
A silly question then. What happens after the cop tries to taser you and you don't go down. Obviously he's attacking you so then what? Do you just beat the shit of him in self defense or tell him, hey if you shoot me in the arm, it will work, trust me.

i guess that would depend on whether or not you're the type to defend yourself.

SeanEdwards
12-02-2007, 10:38 PM
they subdued people for quite a while before the taser was implemented

The cops in San Francisco during the 19th century routinely carried Bowie knives, and used 'em too.

I think I'd prefer to be tasered rather than carved up, but that's just me. :D

Dequeant
12-02-2007, 10:41 PM
Just like a cop to bring a knife to a gunfight.

Concealed weapons permits folks.......not condoning violence against cops, but we have the 2nd amendment for a reason....and it wasn't fighting off nazis or 800lb gorillas. Government oppression and tyranny.

rodent
12-02-2007, 11:18 PM
Wouldn't the metal heat up? It is conductive...for heat and electricity.

Depends on the resistivity. Tasers only supply a small amount of current, so it's unlikely a metal mesh would heat up to any terrible temperature.

donnay
12-02-2007, 11:42 PM
How about someone designing clothes that will cause a tasers voltage to reverse the serge back to the person tasering you! Maybe I am reading to many sci/fi books. :->

rodent
12-02-2007, 11:50 PM
How about someone designing clothes that will cause a tasers voltage to reverse the serge back to the person tasering you! Maybe I am reading to many sci/fi books. :->

Well, if they design it correctly they can avoid this happening. All they need is a fuse in the circuit.

V = I*R. Voltage = current * resistance. The 'R' in most cases is your body, and it probably varies for most people but likely sits in a tested range. The current flows from one taser prong to the other. All they'd need to do is put a fuse (or something to the effect of a fuse) in the circuit such that if the current exceeds this range (i.e., you shorted the circuit so it goes past you), the circuit is broken.

Sergeant Brother
12-03-2007, 12:07 AM
Depends on the resistivity. Tasers only supply a small amount of current, so it's unlikely a metal mesh would heat up to any terrible temperature.

Yeah, the entire idea is to have something more conductive than your flesh for the electricity to go through. Since the metal will be more conductive, it is likely to heat up less than your flesh will from having electricity pass through it.

Lexx78
12-03-2007, 07:45 PM
Alarmed by recent incidents? Wait'll you see what the company is planning for 2008

Tasers: the next generation

http://www.thestar.com/sciencetech/Technology/article/281670

ItsTime
12-03-2007, 07:47 PM
if you beat a taser you are dead. Guns come next

Thomas Paine
12-03-2007, 07:50 PM
I think one could engineer a taser proof vest with the right weaving pattern of metallic threads. Determining the type of weave is key.

torchbearer
12-03-2007, 07:51 PM
What an awesome idea. Then when the cops figure out that the taser isn't working on you, they'll quickly switch to using the old-fashioned method of subduing people: perforating your body with fast-moving chunks of lead.

:rolleyes:

we got armor for that too.

torchbearer
12-03-2007, 07:58 PM
http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/images/v1917.jpg

Lexx78
12-03-2007, 08:28 PM
I would go for something battle proof :D

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/4741/pc2015nmkok4.gif

Marshall
12-03-2007, 10:35 PM
I would go for something battle proof :D

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/4741/pc2015nmkok4.gif

Well, while I would feel like an awesome ninja, I'm just not sure that's practical. Even though you would look like the man.

Dequeant
12-03-2007, 10:40 PM
if you beat a taser you are dead. Guns come next

If that's the game they chose to play....so be it.