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Deborah K
08-01-2014, 08:30 AM
Michael Scheuer blasts Geraldo Rivera on Fox and Friends this morning:

After-the-brawl video included in the first link. Surprisingly, Brian Kilmeade defends Mike.


On Fox News Friday, Geraldo Rivera got into it with former CIA official Michael Scheuer over newly surfaced recordings of former president Bill Clinton, in which he claims the day before 9/11 that he could have killed Osama bin Laden.

In the tapes, Clinton says the reason he didn’t go in for the kill is that he would have had to “destroy a little town called Kandahar in Afghanistan and kill 300 innocent women and children, and then I would have been no better than him (bin Laden).”

Scheuer, identified as head of CIA’s bin Laden unit 1995-1999, disputed Clinton’s recollection. He said the attack on bin Laden “would have occurred in the middle of the night” and “it would have killed no one but Taliban people and Osama bin Laden and his crew.”

Scheuer took a shot at Clinton, saying, “if you looked up the word ‘lie’ his face (Clinton’s) would be right next to it.” He also claimed that he was fired from CBS after he bad mouthed Clinton.

Rivera was then brought in to discuss. He said Scheuer is “mixing and conflating intelligence with his own ideological spin.”

“So, what you have here with this gentleman who was dismissed by CBS by his own admission,” Rivera said, “is an analysis on the military action. And then No. 2, he is spinning it for his own purposes.”

What followed was a series of insults from Scheuer, who disparagingly called Rivera “a magazine guy,” “a dummy” and a “clown.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/former-cia-officer-battles-dummy-clown-geraldo-over-new-clinton-bin-laden-tapes/



Edit: Interview found at this link: http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/08/01/ex-head-cia-bin-laden-unit-new-clinton-tape-hes-monumental-liar

Ronin Truth
08-01-2014, 08:39 AM
Sure, Bubba just in your spare time between screwing with the interns. :p

Deborah K
08-01-2014, 08:40 AM
Here's an article about Clinton bragging about it. The DAY before 911, btw. Clip included.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/bill-clintons-lost-tape-i-could-have-killed-osama-bin-n170111

Deborah K
08-01-2014, 08:51 AM
Here's a really good clip on Scheuer from 2011. This one spells out how brilliant he is. AND, it covers his lack of ability to suffer the ignorance of others.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw-5s5FjrGE

Deborah K
08-01-2014, 08:58 AM
Here he is a couple of years ago stating the same thing - that Clinton had many chances and blew it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnZnlqwM_kI

ravedown
08-01-2014, 10:21 AM
"listen clown" ha great stuff...also, geraldo rocking new balance sneakers and a suit? thought that was odd.

surf
08-01-2014, 10:36 AM
Scheuer to Geraldo (best part starts around 5:55): "listen clown... when Clinton bombed Sudan, dummy, Osama bin laden was in Afghanistan."

HOLLYWOOD
08-01-2014, 10:53 AM
2 words

Sandy Berger (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/20/berger.probe/)

Deborah K
08-01-2014, 10:56 AM
2 words

Sandy Berger (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/20/berger.probe/)

You caught that. I guess we all know now what papers Mike thinks Berger sneaked out....

enhanced_deficit
08-01-2014, 11:40 AM
Granted he had military skills and likely CIA training but Killing one OBL matters much when there are probably every minute new OBLs being born ( Blowback risks: Caution, very graphic images of USTF bombing aftermath (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?456912-Caution-very-graphic-images-of-USTF-bombing-aftermath-in-Gaza&) ) in gaza/mideast now?

Deborah K
08-01-2014, 11:51 AM
Granted he had military skills and likely CIA training but Killing one OBL matters much when there are probably every minute new OBLs being born ( Blowback risks: Caution, very graphic images of USTF bombing aftermath (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?456912-Caution-very-graphic-images-of-USTF-bombing-aftermath-in-Gaza&) ) in gaza/mideast now?

Do you know who Osama bin Laden was? Because he wasn't just your average suicide bomber/terrorist.

Deborah K
08-01-2014, 12:08 PM
Granted he had military skills and likely CIA training but Killing one OBL matters much when there are probably every minute new OBLs being born ( Blowback risks: Caution, very graphic images of USTF bombing aftermath (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?456912-Caution-very-graphic-images-of-USTF-bombing-aftermath-in-Gaza&) ) in gaza/mideast now?

Mike wrote an excellent book about bin Laden. A few weeks after it was published, the Obama administration took bin Laden out. Coincidence? Maybe. In one of bin Laden's speeches, he mentions Mike by name. Here is some info on the book if anyone is interested:

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9459494-osama-bin-laden:


9/11 almost instantaneously remade American politics and foreign policy. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Patriot Act, water boarding and Guantanamo are examples of its profound and far-reaching effects. But despite its monumental impact--and a deluge of books about al-Qaeda and Islamist terrorism--no one has written a serious assessment of the man who planned it, Osama bin Laden. Available biographies depict bin Laden as an historical figure, the mastermind behind 9/11, but no longer relevant to the world it created. These accounts, Michael Scheuer strongly believes, have contributed to a widespread and dangerous denial of his continuing significance and power.
In this book, Scheuer provides a much-needed corrective--a hard-headed, closely reasoned portrait of bin Laden, showing him to be a figure of remarkable leadership skills, strategic genius, and considerable rhetorical abilities. The first head of the CIA's bin Laden Unit, where he led the effort to track down bin Laden, Scheuer draws from a wealth of information about bin Laden and his evolution from peaceful Saudi dissident to America's Most Wanted. Shedding light on his development as a theologian, media manipulator, and paramilitary commander, Scheuer makes use of all the speeches and interviews bin Laden has given as well as lengthy interviews, testimony, and previously untranslated documents written by those who grew up with bin Laden in Saudi Arabia, served as his bodyguards and drivers, and fought alongside him against the Soviets. The bin Laden who emerges from these accounts is devout, talented, patient, and ruthless; in other words, a truly formidable and implacable enemy of the West.


The reviews for 'Osama bin Laden' are pretty interesting as well. Scroll down: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9459494-osama-bin-laden


Acclaim for Mike's book: Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terrorism

"Pulls few punches...a fascinating window on America's war with Al Qaeda."
--Michiko Kakutani, New York Times
"No serious observer of the war on terrorism can ignore this scathing critique."
--Peter Bergen, author of Holy War, Inc.
"A powerful, persuasive analysis of the terrorist threat and the Bush administration's failed efforts to fight it."
--Richard A. Clarke, Washington Post Book World
"A fire-breathing denunciation of U.S. counterterrorism policy."
--Julian Borger, The Guardian
"Presents overwhelmingly persuasive evidence to buttress a host of significant and controversial arguments."
--Benjamin Schwarz, Atlantic Monthly
"Destined to become a classic in the field of counterterrorism analysis."
--Bruce Hoffman, author of Inside Terrorism(less)

Pericles
08-01-2014, 12:24 PM
No one has made a greater contribution to stupidity in journalism than Jerry Rivers.

Ender
08-01-2014, 12:56 PM
Mike wrote an excellent book about bin Laden. A few weeks after it was published, the Obama administration took bin Laden out. Coincidence? Maybe. In one of bin Laden's speeches, he mentions Mike by name. Here is some info on the book if anyone is interested:

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9459494-osama-bin-laden:

The reviews for 'Osama bin Laden' are pretty interesting as well. Scroll down: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9459494-osama-bin-laden

OBL died in Dec 2001- AND he had nothing to do with 911.

pcosmar
08-01-2014, 12:58 PM
And all the Federals say,, "we could have had him any day"
"We only let him slip away,," out of kindness I suppose.

Deborah K
08-01-2014, 01:22 PM
OBL died in Dec 2001- AND he had nothing to do with 911.

Evidence?

enhanced_deficit
08-01-2014, 02:12 PM
Mike wrote an excellent book about bin Laden. A few weeks after it was published, the Obama administration took bin Laden out. Coincidence? Maybe. In one of bin Laden's speeches, he mentions Mike by name. Here is some info on the book if anyone is interested:

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9459494-osama-bin-laden:


The reviews for 'Osama bin Laden' are pretty interesting as well. Scroll down: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9459494-osama-bin-laden

Good info and would read up more on this.

My point was that we cannot kill our way out of this blowback problem as long as we continue to fund/arm dictators/oppressors/occupiers/terrorists abroad. With current policies, Americans could be facing TSA type gropes even 5000 years from today.

Deborah K
08-01-2014, 03:09 PM
Good info and would read up more on this.

My point was that we cannot kill our way out of this blowback problem as long as we continue to fund/arm dictators/oppressors/occupiers/terrorists abroad.

Yep. And Scheuer attempts to make that very point, every chance he gets.

amy31416
08-01-2014, 03:19 PM
I can't watch the video, but I have to admit that I would have an enormous problem bombing a lot of children just to get one guy who might do something terrible--obviously he did, but we need more defense, not offense.

Ender
08-01-2014, 03:40 PM
Evidence?

Shall we start here?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/12/26/report-bin-laden-already-dead/

presence
08-01-2014, 03:43 PM
Evidence?

It was claimed by Pakistan Observer, here's the piece:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/12/26/report-bin-laden-already-dead/

Danke
08-01-2014, 03:44 PM
I can't watch the video, but I have to admit that I would have an enormous problem bombing a lot of children just to get one guy who might do something terrible--obviously he did, but we need more defense, not offense.

Where do you think terrorist come from? Women and children.

Deborah K
08-01-2014, 03:48 PM
Shall we start here?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/12/26/report-bin-laden-already-dead/

You're citing some obscure article with no author.

Deborah K
08-01-2014, 03:50 PM
I can't watch the video, but I have to admit that I would have an enormous problem bombing a lot of children just to get one guy who might do something terrible--obviously he did, but we need more defense, not offense.

Clinton lied. The attack would have taken place at 3 a.m. and only Taliban would have been targeted, besides bin Laden.

Deborah K
08-01-2014, 03:53 PM
It was claimed by Pakistan Observer, here's the piece:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/12/26/report-bin-laden-already-dead/

meh....maybe to try and throw the scent off his trail? Is there anything else, or just this one article with no author listed?

HOLLYWOOD
08-01-2014, 04:08 PM
You caught that. I guess we all know now what papers Mike thinks Berger sneaked out....Yah Caught that... Very Sharp +++ but Berger didn't sneak them out... he destroyed them at the Nat Arch, then flushed the shreds down the toilets. (confirmed by Nat Arch staff)

I can't stand Geraldo Rivera and never forget the POS sensationalist will do anything for ratings/controversy... but this is plain tasteless and stupidity by Rivera. For starters, Mike Scheuer is privy to incredible amounts of highly classified compartmented information and involved directly with OBL during the Clinton presidency years, which Geraldo doesn't have a fucking clue about. Clinton has been confirmed to be a pathological liar, yet "Mr. Al Capone Vaults" and "Break My Nose KKK" clown goofing off on his "Jerry Springer wantabe show" from 1987 through 1998, has the gall to challenge Mike? I fucking despise these idiot media egotistical celebrities.

PS: I had to sit next to Geraldo on a flight for over 3 hours... he's a condescending egotistical primadona. Here's a little tid bit trivia about GR... he has a homemade 'star of David' tattoo between his thumb and index finger.

amy31416
08-01-2014, 04:22 PM
Where do you think terrorist come from? Women and children.

Oh. I forgot that I'm a terrorist and I make terrorists.


Clinton lied. The attack would have taken place at 3 a.m. and only Taliban would have been targeted, besides bin Laden.

I have absolutely no doubt that most everything out of his mouth is a lie, but I still wouldn't bomb a village full of innocent people even if I knew it would thwart the events on 9/11.

And I fully understand those who might think I'm an asshole for it. I just couldn't do it.

JK/SEA
08-01-2014, 04:26 PM
buried at sea, no pictures or video...just their 'word'...

ok...

next.

DFF
08-01-2014, 04:36 PM
Schueuer is an outspoken, no nonsense tough guy who doesn't take shit from anybody.

We need kick-ass-and-take-names leaders like him in Washington.

dillo
08-01-2014, 04:52 PM
LOL is Geraldo really trying to argue that he has more information than the former operator of the Bin Laden task force?

Henry Rogue
08-01-2014, 04:58 PM
Rivera was then brought in to discuss. He said Scheuer is “mixing and conflating intelligence with his own ideological spin.”Hypocritical, all talking heads do this, including Rivera himself.

Deborah K
08-01-2014, 05:21 PM
Oh. I forgot that I'm a terrorist and I make terrorists.



I have absolutely no doubt that most everything out of his mouth is a lie, but I still wouldn't bomb a village full of innocent people even if I knew it would thwart the events on 9/11.

And I fully understand those who might think I'm an asshole for it. I just couldn't do it.

I understand. And I don't think you're an asshole. :) I luvs ya.

Feeding the Abscess
08-01-2014, 05:30 PM
Clinton lied. The attack would have taken place at 3 a.m. and only Taliban would have been targeted, besides bin Laden.

Just like drones only target terrorists.

Brian4Liberty
08-01-2014, 05:34 PM
LOL is Geraldo really trying to argue that he has more information than the former operator of the Bin Laden task force?

Geraldo stood on Bin Laden's lawn, so he's in the know on all of that intelligence and stuff.

Deborah K
08-01-2014, 06:11 PM
Just like drones only target terrorists.

Did you even listen to the interview? Mike said they had an 'asset' with bin Laden and his cohorts. He said there wouldn't have been any collateral damage. I believe him.

anaconda
08-01-2014, 06:13 PM
Does anyone know offhand if Scheuer ever pointed to any credible evidence that Bin Laden was connected to 9-11? Scheuer seems to avoid 9-11 and approach the terrorism issue from a different angle.

anaconda
08-01-2014, 06:15 PM
Geraldo stood on Bin Laden's lawn, so he's in the know on all of that intelligence and stuff.

He could even see Russia from Bin Laden's front lawn.

Deborah K
08-01-2014, 06:37 PM
Does anyone know offhand if Scheuer ever pointed to any credible evidence that Bin Laden was connected to 9-11? Scheuer seems to avoid 9-11 and approach the terrorism issue from a different angle.

Peruse this: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=michael_scheuer

dillo
08-01-2014, 06:55 PM
Geraldo stood on Bin Laden's lawn, so he's in the know on all of that intelligence and stuff.

I know, as if that somehow privyed him to some intelligence. One thing I give credit to Geraldo for is that he isn't a pussy, he will go stand right in conflict.

Cutlerzzz
08-01-2014, 07:24 PM
Bill made the right decision. He doesn't have the authority to launch a missile at Afghanistan without congress, even if that wasn't his reason.

I'm also curious how Taliban people is defined.

Ronin Truth
08-01-2014, 08:19 PM
How can we make a campaign issue in 2016, out of that fact that Bubba DIDN'T kill Bin Laden?

Brian4Liberty
08-01-2014, 08:37 PM
He could even see Russia from Bin Laden's front lawn.

Was that before or after he found Saddam's WMDs in Al Capone's basement?

nayjevin
08-01-2014, 10:08 PM
One thing I give credit to Geraldo for is that he isn't a pussy

2839

BamaAla
08-01-2014, 10:39 PM
I like Scheuer, but he lost it in this video; if he would have kept his head, he could have made a good point. As it is though, he just looks like a hot head.

Bastiat's The Law
08-01-2014, 10:51 PM
Do you know who Osama bin Laden was? Because he wasn't just your average suicide bomber/terrorist.

Correct. He was the major architect and extremely hands-on, not to mention his considerable bankroll to fund any scheme he devised. The world isn't all sunshine and lollipops.

Bastiat's The Law
08-01-2014, 10:54 PM
Schueuer is an outspoken, no nonsense tough guy who doesn't take shit from anybody.

We need kick-ass-and-take-names leaders like him in Washington.

Agreed. Scheuer is a patriot and wants to defend America first and foremost.

Feeding the Abscess
08-02-2014, 12:49 AM
Did you even listen to the interview? Mike said they had an 'asset' with bin Laden and his cohorts. He said there wouldn't have been any collateral damage. I believe him.

If we're going to send assets into territory like this, an order of taking someone out should be on a whenever basis, not on a 'oh, hey, wait for the word and risk blowing your cover continuously getting messages to and from us'.

If the situation is true that there was an asset in Bin Laden's camp, this means he wasn't close enough to kill Bin Laden himself - he would have merely known where he was, so the US could come in with a missile strike.

kcchiefs6465
08-02-2014, 12:57 AM
I remember when Geraldo had some poor peasant call someone allegedly from the Taliban.

Geraldo proceeded to demand this man translate to the Taliban that they are cowards and America is number one. That "we" will find them and kill them. Probably got this kid beheaded if it was not completely fabricated from a green screen.

Can't seem to find the video anymore.

ETA: Well, I'll be damned. I found it.

What a fucking idiot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsSymxzYfO0

ETA II: My memory failed me on what exactly he said but regardless, it is far from journalism. He is possibly the farthest thing from an expert on Middle Eastern affairs and acts like a pompous ass quite frequently.

anaconda
08-02-2014, 02:30 AM
How can we make a campaign issue in 2016, out of that fact that Bubba DIDN'T kill Bin Laden?

Kidney disease killed Bin Laden.

Antischism
08-02-2014, 03:02 AM
"If you had killed Usama Bin Laden in 1998, you would not have had 9/11... you probably would not have had Iraq."
"There would be no casualties."

http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag22/Clark211/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up_zps9dde0bcd.gif

I see more than one clown.

kcchiefs6465
08-02-2014, 03:09 AM
"If you had killed Usama Bin Laden in 1998, you would not have had 9/11... you probably would not have had Iraq."
"There would be no casualties."

[Snipped for consideration of those with limited internet connection]

I see more than one clown.
What is clownish about that statement, specifically?

Not that I particularly disagree with your assessment, or his, for that matter, I am just curious as to what you mean.

Ronin Truth
08-02-2014, 06:40 AM
Kidney disease killed Bin Laden.

BTW, that neither answers nor even addresses the question that I asked.

Another non-believer in the lead poisoning conspiracy theory of the POTUS, eh?

Ender
08-02-2014, 08:22 AM
Kidney disease killed Bin Laden.

Yep. It was reported by MSM and then disappeared. OBL also denied anything to do with 911.

The Taliban even offered to turn OBL over to Bush if he would guarantee that he would be held and tried in a neutral country, but Bush ignored them and started bombing Afghanistan.

surf
08-02-2014, 10:18 AM
I know, as if that somehow privyed him to some intelligence. One thing I give credit to Geraldo for is that he isn't a pussy, he will go stand right in conflict.far too much credit, imo.

he's no Ashleigh Banfield

bunklocoempire
08-02-2014, 11:29 AM
I vaguely remember the time line of the Lewinsky thing and Bin Laden reports -I believe "Frontline" had aired it's first Bin Laden episode around that time.

Around that time I remember thinking to myself that Clinton probably did not go after Bin Laden because the timing would've of looked like he was trying divert attention away from the Lewinsky thing. It's a thought that I had before 9-11 at any rate.

Looking back, not going after Bin Laden was probably more of a business decision. Why warn of a dangerous snow load if you're working for the guys who are selling roofs?

Clinton(s)?
*spit*

Deborah K
08-04-2014, 08:57 AM
What is clownish about that statement, specifically?

Not that I particularly disagree with your assessment, or his, for that matter, I am just curious as to what you mean.

He won't explain, because he can't back it up with anything.

Deborah K
08-04-2014, 09:01 AM
I like Scheuer, but he lost it in this video; if he would have kept his head, he could have made a good point. As it is though, he just looks like a hot head.

He is a hot-head. He was well-known in the CIA as a hot-head. He has never been able to suffer fools lightly. But he's not running for office, and he doesn't work for the gov anymore, and his reaction to ass-fat-injected-in-the-face Geraldo doesn't diminish what he said, or the truth of it.

kcchiefs6465
08-04-2014, 11:44 PM
He is a hot-head. He was well-known in the CIA as a hot-head. He has never been able to suffer fools lightly. But he's not running for office, and he doesn't work for the gov anymore, and his reaction to ass-fat-injected-in-the-face Geraldo doesn't diminish what he said, or the truth of it.
I'd probably become more annoyed than he being taken as a fool by relatively low paid and ignorant propagandists.

I'd like to see more people calling them out for the snakes that they are, personally.

That anyone takes those clowns seriously is a discredit to journalism and intellectual integrity in general.

loveshiscountry
08-05-2014, 06:21 AM
What is clownish about that statement, specifically?

Not that I particularly disagree with your assessment, or his, for that matter, I am just curious as to what you mean.My guess. Like him or not, Bin Laden was a great leader and had a strong following but who is to say another person wouldn't have stepped up? You can't kill all the terrorists but you can kill the reason they want to become terrorists.

Pericles
08-05-2014, 08:49 AM
I like Scheuer, but he lost it in this video; if he would have kept his head, he could have made a good point. As it is though, he just looks like a hot head.

Any reasonable intelligent person has a limit of how much stupidity he can withstand.

NIU Students for Liberty
08-05-2014, 09:51 AM
And yet Clinton had no problem with placing sanctions on Iraq that resulted in the the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians, not to mention bombing campaigns in Afghanistan (prior to 9/11) that targeted hospitals.

The Clinton, Bush Sr., and Reagan administrations are all at fault for 9/11 and should all be tried for war crimes.

Deborah K
08-05-2014, 10:50 AM
If we're going to send assets into territory like this, an order of taking someone out should be on a whenever basis, not on a 'oh, hey, wait for the word and risk blowing your cover continuously getting messages to and from us'.

If the situation is true that there was an asset in Bin Laden's camp, this means he wasn't close enough to kill Bin Laden himself - he would have merely known where he was, so the US could come in with a missile strike.

Since neither you nor I have all the details, I'll see what I can do to get Mike to come on RPFs someday soon to do a Q&A.