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rambone
07-23-2014, 01:38 PM
CHICAGO, IL -- When a woman attempted to transfer her chronically-ill son from one hospital to another, she was accused of "medical child abuse" and her 16-year-old son was stripped from her custody and placed into the hands of the state.

A supposedly temporary emergency custody stint was extended into weeks, and then months. Now, the high school sophomore is trapped in a foster home in Chicago, 500 miles from his Kansas City home. Away from his family, his friends, his job, his girlfriend.

DCFS even limited his ability to call his mom on the phone.

"I feel they took me away from my mom and now I'm living here in foster care with some person I barely know," Isaiah remarked in a video message. "What Lurie Children's Hospital has done to me is ruined my life, and this is something I never will forget."

He has been detained in state custody for over 100 days, and counting...

Teen forced into foster care when mom sought 2nd medical opinion | Police State USA (http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/isaiah-rider-custody-battle/)

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Anti Federalist
07-23-2014, 01:53 PM
Just another day in AmeriKa.

donnay
07-23-2014, 02:05 PM
Disgusting POS that would prey on people like this. :mad:

fisharmor
07-23-2014, 02:12 PM
Kansas, IL is 191 miles away from Chicago, not 500.
Kansas City is in a different state, and is indeed 500 miles from Chicago.

Either the reporting is shitty, throwing the rest of the content into suspicion,
or there's something monstrous happening with taking the kid out of state.
In which case the reporting would be extra shitty, for not making a point of that.

Edit: NM, Lurie Childrens Hospital is in Chicago. She took him there voluntarily.
There's still the matter of how Chicago CPS workers were able to do this without Missouri getting involved.

fisharmor
07-23-2014, 02:14 PM
Also, if it's 191 miles.... dude, please, I did 120 miles through mountains with a 50lb backpack in one go when I was 16. Just go home.

rambone
07-23-2014, 02:19 PM
Kansas, IL is 191 miles away from Chicago, not 500.
Kansas City is in a different state, and is indeed 500 miles from Chicago.

Either the reporting is shitty, throwing the rest of the content into suspicion,
or there's something monstrous happening with taking the kid out of state.
In which case the reporting would be extra shitty, for not making a point of that.


Also, if it's 191 miles.... dude, please, I did 120 miles through mountains with a 50lb backpack in one go when I was 16. Just go home.

How many times do I need to include "Missouri" in the article? Did you miss it? Its in there five (5) times, plus specifically noting the mileage.

I made NO AMBIGUITY that they were from out of state. Thanks for the shitty comment anyway, "dude."

fisharmor
07-23-2014, 02:22 PM
How many times do I need to include "Missouri" in the article? Did you miss it? Its in there five (5) times, plus specifically noting the mileage.

I made NO AMBIGUITY that they were from out of state. Thanks for the shitty comment anyway, "dude."

I actually got my edit in before you pulled the trigger here, BTW.
I didn't realize you were the author.
If you're going to post here, why not print the entire article? I'm not the only one who makes snap judgments based on the abstract, though I do go back and read the article itself for more facts.
And the abstract above doesn't mention that they were visiting Chicago when it happened. It makes it sound like Missouri moved him out of state to IL.

fisharmor
07-23-2014, 02:24 PM
Also, I do apologize. I'll be more careful about how I respond in the future.

Anti Federalist
07-23-2014, 02:24 PM
Also, if it's 191 miles.... dude, please, I did 120 miles through mountains with a 50lb backpack in one go when I was 16. Just go home.

The plight of the Rider family stemmed from dealing with a lifelong illness suffered by Isaiah Rider, 16. Isaiah had been born with a rare genetic disorder called neurofibromatosis, a “horrible” condition in which tumors develop on nerves throughout the body.

Isaiah has spent much of his life under the care of doctors. For ten years he sought treatment at the same Missouri hospital to deal with his various issues. Between 2003 and 2012, he had a total of seven surgeries on his leg; the final one was a partial amputation below his left knee.

Despite all the physical obstacles, Isaiah lived the life of a normal teenager, attending school as a sophomore; working as a busboy at a restaurant; anxious to get a driver’s license.

Things took an unfortunate turn in January of 2014, when Isaiah had to be hospitalized for complications with his amputated leg. He was experiencing hours-long convulsions, and pain so severe that he thought he was going to die. His mom, 34-year-old Michelle Rider, drove him around the country to see various specialists. Due to his unusual combination of ailments, finding satisfactory treatment was not easy.

Anti Federalist
07-23-2014, 02:29 PM
Kansas, IL is 191 miles away from Chicago, not 500.
Kansas City is in a different state, and is indeed 500 miles from Chicago.

Either the reporting is shitty, throwing the rest of the content into suspicion,
or there's something monstrous happening with taking the kid out of state.
In which case the reporting would be extra shitty, for not making a point of that.

Edit: NM, Lurie Childrens Hospital is in Chicago. She took him there voluntarily.
There's still the matter of how Chicago CPS workers were able to do this without Missouri getting involved.

The claims of abuse were never turned into criminal charges, and Ms. Rider was never put before a jury to defend her case. By all legal definitions she was innocent, and never proven guilty of any abuse or wrongdoing. Yet the state wielded its power to instantly and indefinitely break apart the family using rumors and allegations.

Meanwhile, bureaucrats went as far as to cut off Isaiah’s phone privileges while being held against his will in state custody.

“My son kept calling us, and we could tell he was in pain and we didn’t know what to do,” explained Ms. Rider. Then the calls stopped. “The Department of Children and Family Services said Isaiah was instructed not to call his family when he was in pain and we asked why. All of a sudden my son is being held hostage in the hospital,” she said. “They just let him suffer.”

rambone
07-23-2014, 03:00 PM
Also, I do apologize. I'll be more careful about how I respond in the future.

Its cool. Although honestly if the family was from Illinois I would have changed almost nothing. The underlying injustice is the same no matter where they were from.

Being stuck 500 miles from home just adds to the already-impoverished family's burdens.

Brian4Liberty
07-23-2014, 03:38 PM
Second opinions are frowned upon by the government-medical complex. Don't you dare question their authoritay!

Lucille
07-23-2014, 03:50 PM
I'm not one for laws named after people, but if Justina's Law (http://www.westhartfordnews.com/articles/2014/07/22/news/doc53c91df1ca5d2167703554.txt) was law, this poor family would have some protection against these evil bastards.

The Blaze was so good with the Pelletier case, I sent them a tip with a link to this story.

Lucille
07-25-2014, 01:42 PM
The Blaze is not being so good about this family's plight. This is the third day I've sent a tip, and nothing there on Isaiah yet.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/for-the-children-not/


The lying kidnappers at another Department of Children and Family Services, this time in Illinois, are at it again; apparently, Massachusetts’ success in destroying the Pelletier family in general and their daughter Justina in particular has provoked envy among petty tyrants nationwide. So now they’ve snatched a 16-year-old suffering from a rare genetic condition from his mother who, like Justina’s parents, wanted her child removed from a hospital that couldn’t help him.

Infuriating, isn’t it, how Leviathan first declares that “children” are incompetent to make their own decisions — because both Justina and Isaiah Rider, Illinois’ victim, have vociferously and repeatedly insisted they want to remain with their families — and then steps in to decide for them. No doubt the courts’ decreeing exactly the opposite of what they and their families desire is mere coincidence.

http://homeschoolnetc.blogspot.com/2014/07/a-message-from-teamisaiah.html


Isaiah Rider is a child from Kansas City who is being held in Luries Children's Hospital in Chicago against his mother's wishes. Like the Justina Pelletier story, in this case, the mom asked for a medical opinion and the hospital decided it was going to run the show instead of her. Foster children like Isaiah are being used for medical experiments without their family's consent. The following is copy/pasted from the Team Isaiah (https://www.facebook.com/TeamIsaiahRider/timeline) facebook page and is used with permission. This story needs to get much more coverage:

Medical experiments conducted on vulnerable people, people who are unable to give consent or people who have been misled, are always wrong. It is also wrong when there is reason to believe that the person undergoing the experiment faces serious risks as a result. If you put the two together you have something we used to call a crime. In fact, we prosecuted the Nazis for this behavior.

But it turns out that we have been using children in foster care as if they were medical lab rats in some states.

Some states such as Tennessee and Wisconsin simply don’t allow for foster children to be used in medical studies. California requires a court order. Other states allow foster children to be involved in medical studies but under varying criteria, the children are supposed to have independent advocates to protect their interests.

MSNBC reports that for the past two decades the government conducted experiments involving drugs for AIDS on foster children but without the legal protections they should have had.

“The practice ensured that foster children — mostly poor or minority — received care from world-class researchers at government expense, slowing their rate of death and extending their lives. But it also exposed a vulnerable population to the risks of medical research and drugs that were known to have serious side effects in adults and for which the safety for children was unknown.” (my emphasis)

The results of these experiments ranged from minor adverse side effects to “a disturbing higher rate of death among children who took higher doses of the drug.”

Most of these experiments were conducted in the 1990’s in seven states: Illinois, Louisiana, Maryland, New York, North Carolina, Colorado and Texas.

So what happened? The simplest way to put it is the rules were broken.

In Illinois, researchers signed documents promising to provide the affected children with advocates, but it never happened. Not for a single one of the 200 children in the study.

Less than a third of the children in New York City were provided with an advocate, despite the city’s policy requiring it. The same thing happened to the children studied at Chicago’s Children’s Memorial Hospital and Johns Hopkins in Baltimore.

Of course, one can point to the fact that state agencies gave consent for these children to be placed in the studies.

qh4dotcom
07-26-2014, 03:14 PM
Ok guys....you all don't trust the police....it's about time you stop trusting hospitals.

pcosmar
07-26-2014, 03:32 PM
Ok guys....you all don't trust the police....it's about time you stop trusting hospitals.

Already there.

a good Doctor is as rare and hard to find as a good mechanic.

Anti Federalist
07-26-2014, 03:33 PM
Ok guys....you all don't trust the police....it's about time you stop trusting hospitals.

Search RPF: Polite Prisons.

acptulsa
07-26-2014, 03:35 PM
I think it's about time to boycott the entire state of Illinois...

heavenlyboy34
07-26-2014, 04:19 PM
Ah, 'Murica. I'm feeling freer now that this teen has been taken from his nefarious mother.

Mani
07-28-2014, 03:00 AM
When I read these kinds of things it makes me think of the novel trilogy, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. (BTW the 3 swedish movies are much better than the 1 Hollywood version. I disliked the hollywood version, they change it around and screw it up IMO).

I don't want to get into the story, but one major theme is the ABUSES by the state and the POWER of the state, and they are HORRIFIC and TERRIFYING. Even though that's a novel and fiction, when I read more and more stories like above, just makes me feel that reality is getting closer and closer to fiction. How much further will we go down this rabbit hole, until certain people will have no control over any aspect of their lives, and are powerless to do anything about it?