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DamianTV
07-20-2014, 07:17 AM
http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/abilene-grass-length/


ABILENE, TX — The town of Abilene has instituted a ‘zero tolerance’ crackdown on private property owners whose grass does not meet government-mandated length requirements.

Code enforcers literally drive around with measuring sticks to determine which lawns have been deemed too long by the town. The property owners are then threatened with letters and are ultimately given Class C Misdemeanors if they do not comply.

Property owners might be surprised to discover that they can be turned into criminals just for letting nature take its course on land they rightly own — literally for doing nothing. But with the pervasive erosion of property rights, citizens have become rent-paying caretakers of land that the government ultimately sets rules over.

Citizens who are slapped with a “public nuisance” violation are fined hundreds of dollars and are also billed roughly $150.00 to have contractors trespass on the property and manually make it comply with government standards.

Abilene has declared July 22-26 to be “Zero Tolerance Week,” according to KTXS. Penalties have increased this year to fines of up to $500.00.

What happens if the property owners refuse to pay the fines? As many have found out, every law is backed with the threat of force. Places like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and New York (Albany, Long Island) have made it clear that refusing to obey will ultimately result in jail-time, even over something as outrageous as grass length on private property.

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No such thing as Jail Time for not mowing your lawn? Bullshit. It will cost you more to defend yourself. But is this really about Grass, or is it about Private Property, or is it about OBEDIENCE?

Welcome to Catch 22 in real life.

William Tell
07-20-2014, 07:20 AM
Time to run for office if you live in Abilene!

mrsat_98
07-20-2014, 07:29 AM
unbeleiveable

angelatc
07-20-2014, 08:30 AM
ANd this is news because ..... ? For as long as I have been alive, communities have fined people for not maintaining their grass. And for as long as I have been alive, people who do not pay their fines get picked up and put in jail.

Don't like it? Live somewhere else. (hopefully somewhere without internet access Damien.)

Personally, I prefer not to live in a community where the vermin and mosquitos are free to set up shop in the abandoned property next door. It's a bt of a health issue. When I bought my home I knew there were local regulations about keeping my grass cut. If I wanted to live in a place where nobody cared, I would have moved somewhere more rural.

Again, the real shame is that some people are content to live like animals, which in turn enables the government to pass more and more laws like this. If people would be at all responsible for themselves and assume some responsibility for their decisions, then we wouldn't need any government at all.

Instead, we get people who are too lazy to even mow their lawns, turning their property into breeding grounds for rats, mice, mosquitoes and a myriad of other pests. .... and the rest of us are supposed to just tolerate it?

Yeah, good luck winning elections.

PaulConventionWV
07-20-2014, 08:33 AM
ANd this is news because ..... ? For as long as I have been alive, communities have fined people for not maintaining their grass. And for as long as I have been alive, people who do not pay their fines get picked up and put in jail.

Don't like it? Live somewhere else. (hopefully somewhere without internet access Damien.)

Personally, I prefer not to live in a community where the vermin are free to set up shop in the abandoned property next door. When I bought my home I knew there were local regulations about keeping my grass cut. If I wanted to live in a place where nobody cared, I would have moved somewhere more rural.

You're on this board... why?

Do you not believe in property rights?

donnay
07-20-2014, 08:52 AM
http://youfail.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/they-live-alien.jpg

"O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!"

echo1
07-20-2014, 09:20 AM
ANd this is news because ..... ? For as long as I have been alive, communities have fined people for not maintaining their grass. And for as long as I have been alive, people who do not pay their fines get picked up and put in jail.

Don't like it? Live somewhere else. (hopefully somewhere without internet access Damien.)

Personally, I prefer not to live in a community where the vermin and mosquitos are free to set up shop in the abandoned property next door. It's a bt of a health issue. When I bought my home I knew there were local regulations about keeping my grass cut. If I wanted to live in a place where nobody cared, I would have moved somewhere more rural.

Again, the real shame is that some people are content to live like animals, which in turn enables the government to pass more and more laws like this. If people would be at all responsible for themselves and assume some responsibility for their decisions, then we wouldn't need any government at all.

Instead, we get people who are too lazy to even mow their lawns, turning their property into breeding grounds for rats, mice, mosquitoes and a myriad of other pests. .... and the rest of us are supposed to just tolerate it?

Yeah, good luck winning elections.

Communities have not always been like this. This has not been the case my whole life. This extremist behavior by governments is really a fairly recent event, gaining traction in the 90's until finally, we are where we are at today which is asking the governments permissions and giving them money for the privilege of doing anything to our own private property. This is not how a free people live.

In my experience, people will actually take care of their property, enhancing it, without government involvement. People are smart enough to accomplish tasks like upgrading private property. We will almost always do a better job without the official government okey dokey then we do with it.

I grew up in a social environment where "what's best for the community" did not always outweigh an individuals rights.

We can take back our country, thru the election process, at the local level. What happens in local government is something that each and everyone of us can effect. But people must get off their dead ars's, turn off the TV and actually get involved, with a keen eye on holding those placed in government positions accountable for their actions.

Economically, support local business and starve the corporate giants. After a time, those structures will come tumbling down.

Freedom, it can be a difficult concept. :)

Demigod
07-20-2014, 09:21 AM
ANd this is news because ..... ? For as long as I have been alive, communities have fined people for not maintaining their grass. And for as long as I have been alive, people who do not pay their fines get picked up and put in jail.

Don't like it? Live somewhere else. (hopefully somewhere without internet access Damien.)

Personally, I prefer not to live in a community where the vermin and mosquitos are free to set up shop in the abandoned property next door. It's a bt of a health issue. When I bought my home I knew there were local regulations about keeping my grass cut. If I wanted to live in a place where nobody cared, I would have moved somewhere more rural.

Again, the real shame is that some people are content to live like animals, which in turn enables the government to pass more and more laws like this. If people would be at all responsible for themselves and assume some responsibility for their decisions, then we wouldn't need any government at all.

Instead, we get people who are too lazy to even mow their lawns, turning their property into breeding grounds for rats, mice, mosquitoes and a myriad of other pests. .... and the rest of us are supposed to just tolerate it?

Yeah, good luck winning elections.


No they don't.You could have some arguments based on aesthetics but claiming that uncut grass is health hazard is beyond a stretch.By your reason let the government mandate that all body hair must be properly maintained because unmaintained body hair may lead to a health hazard.

DamianTV
07-20-2014, 09:23 AM
ANd this is news because ..... ? For as long as I have been alive, communities have fined people for not maintaining their grass. And for as long as I have been alive, people who do not pay their fines get picked up and put in jail.

Don't like it? Live somewhere else. (hopefully somewhere without internet access Damien.)

Personally, I prefer not to live in a community where the vermin and mosquitos are free to set up shop in the abandoned property next door. It's a bt of a health issue. When I bought my home I knew there were local regulations about keeping my grass cut. If I wanted to live in a place where nobody cared, I would have moved somewhere more rural.

Again, the real shame is that some people are content to live like animals, which in turn enables the government to pass more and more laws like this. If people would be at all responsible for themselves and assume some responsibility for their decisions, then we wouldn't need any government at all.

Instead, we get people who are too lazy to even mow their lawns, turning their property into breeding grounds for rats, mice, mosquitoes and a myriad of other pests. .... and the rest of us are supposed to just tolerate it?

Yeah, good luck winning elections.

Oh, so its not new, thus, worth disregarding and ignoring? Income tax has also been around for more than just about everyone here has been alive. It still doesnt make it right, legal, or just.

Flip the coin. Dont like mosquitos or a trashy looking yard? Then mow it. This is making what each person does everyone elses problem. Im sure you'd sue me if I went two days and didnt mow my yard and got bit by a mosquito.

Oh, I guess if I were to follow your lead, I should sue every ex-homeowner because their lawns are now ALL unkept and high and someone else can find a way to be offended by it. About 1 in 10 around here. Doesnt matter that the rat infestation came from them having been forced to move out when they cant pay the mortgage and the building is now unoccupied. I should always sue everyone else for anything that even annoys me, even when it is completely beyond control. I should sue for loud music, bbq, smoking, crying infants, and improper number of roses on a fucking rosebush. I should even sue God cuz I dont like the rain / lack of rain.

Youre promoting socialism by saying this is a-okay. Socialism being the Big Lie where everyone lives at the expense of everyone else. And if someone offends you, find someone big enough to bully them around into getting what YOU want. You'd be the one that would call SWAT on a parent that left their kid in the car on a day where the highest temperature was 60 degrees. Youd report a neighbor for owning a diving board, or a kid that you saw riding a bicycle without a helmet.

Dont shit where you eat, Angela. Seems you have no problem shitting where other people eat. So heres some more yellow "milk" for your Cheerios. Enjoy. Oh, and that isnt really yellow "milk"...

Demigod
07-20-2014, 09:33 AM
Mosquitoes breed in wet areas,ponds,banks of small rivers.An umaintained lawn unless they are watering it 20 times a day and is essentially a swamp it will not become a breeding place for mosquitoes

Lucille
07-20-2014, 09:43 AM
And they'd better not find one hair, or else? Henry could never get all the hairs (http://www.thebuk.com/Ham_On_Rye.html).


The lawn mower and edger were in the driveway. He showed them to me. "Now, you take this mower and go up and down the lawn and don't miss any places. Dump the grass catcher here whenever it gets full. Now, when you've mowed the lawn in one direction and finished, take the mower and mow the lawn in the other direction, get it? First, you mow it north and south, then you mow it east and west. Do you understand?"

"Yes."

"And don't look so god-damned unhappy or I'll really give you something to be unhappy about! After you've finished mowing, then you take the edger. You trim the edges of the lawn with the little mower on the edger. Get under the hedge, get every blade of grass! Then . . . you take this circular blade on the edger and you cut along the edge of the lawn. It must be absolutely straight along the edge of the lawn! Understand?"

"Yes."

"Now when you're done with that, you take these . . ."

My father showed me some shears.

". . . and you get down on your knees and you go around cutting off any hairs that are still sticking up. Then you take the hose and you water the hedges and the flower beds. Then you turn on the sprinkler and you let it run fifteen minutes on each part of the lawn. You do all this on the front lawn and in the flower garden, and then you repeat it on the rear lawn and in the flower garden there. Are there any questions?"

"No."

"All right, now I want to tell you this. I am going to come out and check everything when you're finished, and when you're done I DON'T WANT TO SEE ONE HAIR STICKING UP IN EITHER THE FRONT OR BACK LAWN! NOT ONE HAIR! IF THERE IS . . . ! (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:iRvDzOMDmL4J:http://ld.johanesville.net/bukowski-11-ham-on-rye)"

otherone
07-20-2014, 09:51 AM
Instead, we get people who are too lazy to even mow their lawns, turning their property into breeding grounds for rats, mice, mosquitoes and a myriad of other pests. .... and the rest of us are supposed to just tolerate it?


Waitaminit....I KNOW you!
You're on every town council everywhere!

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTKTSKTvOLu0io2al1_cgmdBzscmpAM7 shuK7sbSVsQkUYoW9dnog

Lucille
07-20-2014, 10:02 AM
Knapp wrote about the history of lawns a few months ago.

http://knappster.blogspot.com/2014/05/lawn-grumble.html


...So, when and why did regular people get "lawns?"

In 1915, the US Department of Agriculture and the US Golf Association began collaborating on research into the types of grasses that a) made for good golf course fairways/greens and b) could be grown in North America.

By the 1920s and 1930s, the automobile was making "suburbs" into viable living arrangements, and "planned developments" with uniform yard sizes (and restrictive covenants for maintenance) began springing up. People moving into these developments had yards, but without the freedom to raise livestock and with the obligation to keep their homesteads looking almost exactly like the ones next door.

After World War II, the average American had a 40-hour work week (which left some leisure time), some disposable income, and access to small, inexpensive power mowers. Things just kind of took off from there -- Americans now spend $50 billion a year on "outdoor home improvements," presumably mostly of the "mow and landscape the lawn" variety.

So of course, these days small municipalities have pages and pages of ordinances specifying maximum grass length, minimum grass coverage area, required/prohibited plant types, etc. Because once something becomes popular, it must be required, right?

Anti Federalist
07-20-2014, 10:26 AM
Ya'll are making the mistake in thinking that your home or property belongs to you.

It does not.

You are just a squatter on the government's land, and you must comply with any and all of the real owner's requirements.

Yah, move someplace else...<eye roll>

jkr
07-20-2014, 10:27 AM
the common denominator?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmYBpgAC7Uw



aint nuthin but a SHAKEDOWN bayyy-be
2 locced out statist goin CRAZY

PaulConventionWV
07-20-2014, 10:59 AM
Don't bother trying to persuade angelatc. She won't even respond. She just runs away from arguments when she doesn't know what to say and hides from questions. You'll never get an honest answer from her because she lies to herself. She must, because how could she be honestly believe what she says and keep running away from arguments like she does?

Angela, I bet you still remember when I asked you some questions about vaccines and you were so devoted to getting me to outline an acceptable standard for one particular question, you were so enamored with this one particular question. I told you I wanted you to answer the other questions more, and you refused to debate me because I wouldn't outline the standards for that one particular question. Then I DID outline the standards so you would move on, and I KNOW you saw it, but you never did answer and you still run around acting holier-than-thou and somehow you live with yourself even though you constantly act like its others who have the problem. I want everyone to know what an intellectually dishonest person you are.

thoughtomator
07-20-2014, 11:38 AM
and now in California the only way to be safe from being fined is to dye your lawn some color other than green (fined for using water) or brown (fined for not watering).

donnay
07-20-2014, 12:37 PM
and now in California the only way to be safe from being fined is to dye your lawn some color other than green (fined for using water) or brown (fined for not watering).


Maybe they should use this...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BP4lyxhHDQ#t=11

I was surprised they say it is not a hybrid nor is it a GMO.

euphemia
07-20-2014, 12:51 PM
Again, the real shame is that some people are content to live like animals, which in turn enables the government to pass more and more laws like this. If people would be at all responsible for themselves and assume some responsibility for their decisions, then we wouldn't need any government at all.

Instead, we get people who are too lazy to even mow their lawns, turning their property into breeding grounds for rats, mice, mosquitoes and a myriad of other pests. .... and the rest of us are supposed to just tolerate it?

Yeah, good luck winning elections.

Maybe this is an opportunity for true libertarians to step up and take responsibility for themselves and extend charity to others. "Mrs. So-and-so, I wonder if you can use some help with your lawn? We have our mower with us and I notice you all just had a baby [whatever]."

Criminalizing a lack of resources is a drain on community resources, and will sap the efforts that should go to fighting real crime. If your neighbor's yard isn't quite the way you like it, be neighborly and offer to help.

coastie
07-20-2014, 07:55 PM
ANd this is news because ..... ? For as long as I have been alive, communities have fined people for not maintaining their grass. And for as long as I have been alive, people who do not pay their fines get picked up and put in jail.

Don't like it? Live somewhere else. (hopefully somewhere without internet access Damien.)

Personally, I prefer not to live in a community where the vermin and mosquitos are free to set up shop in the abandoned property next door. It's a bt of a health issue. When I bought my home I knew there were local regulations about keeping my grass cut. If I wanted to live in a place where nobody cared, I would have moved somewhere more rural.

Again, the real shame is that some people are content to live like animals, which in turn enables the government to pass more and more laws like this. If people would be at all responsible for themselves and assume some responsibility for their decisions, then we wouldn't need any government at all.

Instead, we get people who are too lazy to even mow their lawns, turning their property into breeding grounds for rats, mice, mosquitoes and a myriad of other pests. .... and the rest of us are supposed to just tolerate it?

Yeah, good luck winning elections.

Wow. I almost wish you'd buy the house next door to me that's been for sale for 2 years now.

Just so I could not mow my lawn. The only repercussions I would face is you mean-mugging me everyday...

I bet if you didn't live in your little perfect community, you wouldn't bother asking the homeowner themselves to cut it - or even offer to do it for them, as I do.

No, you'd probably sit on your front porch every night, fuming, and waxing petulantly with the other like minded busy body bitch neighbors about how "Joe's lawn is such an eyesore, we need to ruin his life with an arrest, and some time in jail will do him good..that'll teach him to make our eyes sore..."...instead of doing anything proactive to prevent a State involved solution.


You are the poster child of why I hate (most) people.

DamianTV
07-20-2014, 09:20 PM
There should be a Law against that. Oh wait, there already is. Well there should be a Law against the opposite version of that. And then there was Law. The result of people not being careful of either what they are wishing for or who they are making those wishes to.

Zippyjuan
07-20-2014, 09:56 PM
http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/abilene-grass-length/



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No such thing as Jail Time for not mowing your lawn? Bullshit. It will cost you more to defend yourself. But is this really about Grass, or is it about Private Property, or is it about OBEDIENCE?

Welcome to Catch 22 in real life.

Sounds like the place is run by a retired Marine Drill Sargeant. "Your hair is one milimeter too long soldier! Go see the barber and get that fixed and be back here in five minutes for some more pushups followed by a run around the base!"

euphemia
07-20-2014, 10:11 PM
It is really about allowing a few people to set the standard for everyone else. This is the reason we have stayed in our lower income neighborhood. We can have whatever kind of fence we want. We don't need a permit to put up a storage building or swing set in our back yard.

People in our neighborhood work too hard to be worried about perfect lawns. We do the best we can. Criticizing neighbors' yards is what rich people do.

#firstworldproblems

jbauer
07-21-2014, 11:02 AM
Had to negrep you. Sorry you're a good poster.

Its NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUISNESS as to what height I prefer to keep my lawn. Worse, you suggest the keystone cops should come use guns to force compliance to a law that "you" find acceptable. I'm quite sure that your neighbor wouldn't care if you chose to mow their lawn for them. On top of that unmowed grass is not a health concern unless you count your rise in blood pressure. Mosquitos/bugs need moisture. Rats & other pests are only going to take up if there is an ample food supply. Something that wouldn't exist in an empty unused lot.


ANd this is news because ..... ? For as long as I have been alive, communities have fined people for not maintaining their grass. And for as long as I have been alive, people who do not pay their fines get picked up and put in jail.

Don't like it? Live somewhere else. (hopefully somewhere without internet access Damien.)

Personally, I prefer not to live in a community where the vermin and mosquitos are free to set up shop in the abandoned property next door. It's a bt of a health issue. When I bought my home I knew there were local regulations about keeping my grass cut. If I wanted to live in a place where nobody cared, I would have moved somewhere more rural.

Again, the real shame is that some people are content to live like animals, which in turn enables the government to pass more and more laws like this. If people would be at all responsible for themselves and assume some responsibility for their decisions, then we wouldn't need any government at all.

Instead, we get people who are too lazy to even mow their lawns, turning their property into breeding grounds for rats, mice, mosquitoes and a myriad of other pests. .... and the rest of us are supposed to just tolerate it?

Yeah, good luck winning elections.

HOLLYWOOD
07-21-2014, 11:28 AM
Real Estate - Government Love relationship.... sleazy relationship of making money.

Both want as high of property values to profit. Keep those county tax assessments high

angelatc
07-21-2014, 01:50 PM
No they don't.You could have some arguments based on aesthetics but claiming that uncut grass is health hazard is beyond a stretch.By your reason let the government mandate that all body hair must be properly maintained because unmaintained body hair may lead to a health hazard.


BUllshit. Mice and mosquitos live in uncut grass. I know that's probably a surprise to the scientifically challenged community that's developed around here, but the reason that neighborhoods started insisting that people cut their grass actually has less to do with aesthetics than it does with vermin.

And you idiots can neg rep me all you want, but I am and always have been fine with small local government. Getting pissy because the city won't let landlords who live 2400 miles away ignore their property won't win us any elections.

Not that you guys care about actually winning elections.....

AuH20
07-21-2014, 01:57 PM
BUllshit. Mice and mosquitos live in uncut grass. I know that's probably a surprise to the scientifically challenged community that's developed around here, but the reason that neighborhoods started insisting that people cut their grass actually has less to do with aesthetics than it does with vermin.

And you idiots can neg rep me all you want, but I am and always have been fine with small local government. Getting pissy because the city won't let landlords who live 2400 miles away ignore their property won't win us any elections.

Not that you guys care about actually winning elections.....

Mosquitoes need a damp environment as well as stagnant pools of water to breed. Mice need a food source. So just keeping your grass long won't necessarily lead to a propagation.

jbauer
07-21-2014, 02:04 PM
So you neg-repped me for neg repping you. Are we allowed to post university studies as scientific evidence? Or are we all to dumb for that? Conversely my Brother-in-law is the state entomologist for the state of WV. Would you like to talk to him?

http://www-rci.rutgers.edu/~insects/house.htm

From the article: Mosquitoes do not breed in tall grass as many people have been led to believe.

Edit: Oh, and the powers that be wont let me negrep you again so if someone else could do so that would be great.


BUllshit. Mice and mosquitos live in uncut grass. I know that's probably a surprise to the scientifically challenged community that's developed around here, but the reason that neighborhoods started insisting that people cut their grass actually has less to do with aesthetics than it does with vermin.

And you idiots can neg rep me all you want, but I am and always have been fine with small local government. Getting pissy because the city won't let landlords who live 2400 miles away ignore their property won't win us any elections.

Not that you guys care about actually winning elections.....

otherone
07-21-2014, 02:06 PM
BUllshit. Mice and mosquitos live in uncut grass..

Freedom has mosquitoes.

otherone
07-21-2014, 02:10 PM
Mosquitoes need a damp environment as well as stagnant pools of water to breed. Mice need a food source. So just keeping your grass long won't necessarily lead to a propagation.

I have a lot of customers here in the northeast that, while their lawns are immaculate, fail to regularly drain children's toys, buckets, or any outside vessels of standing water, leading to mosquito spikes. We have had heavy rainfall here, it's tough to keep up with, perhaps town councils can create laws and hire cops to police standing water and shoot dogs that intervene.

otherone
07-21-2014, 02:12 PM
Mosquitoes need a damp environment as well as stagnant pools of water to breed. Mice need a food source. So just keeping your grass long won't necessarily lead to a propagation.

Mice need ground cover. There is no difference to them between pachysandra or well-manicured/mulched landscaping and overgrown lots.

angelatc
07-21-2014, 02:12 PM
So you neg-repped me for neg repping you. Are we allowed to post university studies as scientific evidence? Or are we all to dumb for that? Conversely my Brother-in-law is the state entomologist for the state of WV. Would you like to talk to him?

http://www-rci.rutgers.edu/~insects/house.htm

From the article: Mosquitoes do not breed in tall grass as many people have been led to believe.

Edit: Oh, and the powers that be wont let me negrep you again so if someone else could do so that would be great.

If you want to live in the city, then you can't act like a dumbass. Did I say mosquitos bred in the long grass? No, I didn't. You know why I didn't say that? Because mosquitos don't breed in the grass, moron. But the adults do indeed hide there during the day. If you don't believe me, go cut your nasty long ass grass and you will absolutely see a drop in the mosquito population.

And you will also see less mice, snakes and other creatures around your house too.

Gotta tell you, these days it gives me pleasure to know that my local government pisses people like you off when they ticket them for not taking care of their property. If you want to live in a dump, go live in the country where nobody cares. If you want to live in the city, stop whining about having to cut the damned grass.

angelatc
07-21-2014, 02:14 PM
Mosquitoes need a damp environment as well as stagnant pools of water to breed. Mice need a food source. So just keeping your grass long won't necessarily lead to a propagation.

Sigh. Even you?

Again - at no point did I say that mosquitos bred in the tall grass.

angelatc
07-21-2014, 02:15 PM
Mice need ground cover. There is no difference to them between pachysandra or well-manicured/mulched landscaping and overgrown lots.

Now you guys are not even trying to be factual. You're just making stuff up.

Keith and stuff
07-21-2014, 02:19 PM
http://www.ktxs.com/news/people-in-abilene-with-overgrown-grass-and-weeds-to-face-larger-fines-starting-monday/21079994


Letting your grass grow above a foot high is a crime in Abilene it’s defined by city regulations as a public nuisance, a Class C misdemeanor, and it’s punishable by up to a $500 fine.

City code enforcement officers said overgrown lawns are the number one complaint they get and it costs taxpayers more than $20,000 every year.

I could understand something like 2 feet on non-farmland/wild fields, especially if the house was on a main road or something, with poisonous snakes and such in Texas. Where I live, a near-by yard recently had grass that was over 2 feet. It stared out normal but by the time the bank took the house, it looked like a wild field.

Still, I didn't call the police. What I did do was not walk in that grass. Heck, I didn't own the land anyway so it was pretty easy to not go in the grass.


Anyone who is injured or on vacation and is temporarily unable to treat their grass or weeds can call code enforcement and let them know.

That's right. If you get injured or take a vacation, make sure to let the government know! :toady:

otherone
07-21-2014, 02:22 PM
Now you guys are not even trying to be factual. You're just making stuff up.

I've been an exterminator for 26 years. Tall grass provides cover against predators. So does shrubs. And debris. Any ground cover. Frankly, if your concern is vermin, and vermin prefers "tall grass", you should be happy your neighbor provides harborage, as, according to your logic, the vermin won't dare step in your well-maintained yard.

angelatc
07-21-2014, 02:25 PM
I've been an exterminator for 26 years. Tall grass provides cover against predators. So does shrubs. And debris. Any ground cover. Frankly, if your concern is vermin, and vermin prefers "tall grass", you should be happy your neighbor provides harborage, as, according to your logic, the vermin won't dare step in your well-maintained yard.

So you are here telling me that a habitat that provides cover against predators somehow won't increase the population of neighborhood vermin. SMFH.

I'd rather keep the little bastards out in the country where they belong. Which is much easier to do when the neighbors are not too lazy to even cut their freaking grass.

otherone
07-21-2014, 02:34 PM
I'd rather keep the little bastards out in the country where they belong. Which is much easier to do when the neighbors are not too lazy to even cut their freaking grass.

Mice are commensal. Where we are; they are.
I understand your concern....if the possibility of vermin wasn't an issue, would you still have a concern about uncut lawns?
Here's a slippery slope example:
Norway rats need running water in their habitat, so they frequent the banks of creeks and streams. Often, they follow storm drains to suburban communities, and wind up living in garages, or under decks, or in basements. The first question I ask customers if they report a suspected rat infestation is if they own a dog. Rats LOVE dry dog food.
As a community, should we ban dog ownership?
There are a lot of other scenarios. We can talk lyme disease next...should we MANDATE deer-proofing?

jbauer
07-21-2014, 02:34 PM
So here's what you said: "Personally, I prefer not to live in a community where the vermin and mosquitos are free to set up shop in the abandoned property next door. "

So if setting up shop isn't breeding then what is it? Its just hanging out? Did they breed in your short grass and then go over to the abandoned place? Or did they all get on their smartphones and tell the "breeding area" about where they could find tall grass?

Again, why are you on a liberty forum? Why should you be able to use the strong arm of the law to tell others what to do? How is that any different then Obama telling people the had to buy health insurance or face fines? Or Feinstein wanting to take your gun away?

Is it just because you agree with the grass laws but not with other laws?

If you want to live in the city how about you buy up the neighboring lots so you can have them exactly the way you want them? Otherwise stay the F out of your neighbors business.


If you want to live in the city, then you can't act like a dumbass. Did I say mosquitos bred in the long grass? No, I didn't. You know why I didn't say that? Because mosquitos don't breed in the grass, moron. But the adults do indeed hide there during the day. If you don't believe me, go cut your nasty long ass grass and you will absolutely see a drop in the mosquito population.

And you will also see less mice, snakes and other creatures around your house too.

Gotta tell you, these days it gives me pleasure to know that my local government pisses people like you off when they ticket them for not taking care of their property. If you want to live in a dump, go live in the country where nobody cares. If you want to live in the city, stop whining about having to cut the damned grass.

jbauer
07-21-2014, 02:38 PM
I'd rather keep the little bastards out in the country where they belong. Which is much easier to do when the neighbors are not too lazy to even cut their freaking grass.

I don't want the mice at my place either. I say keep em in the city.

Mice need a FOOD SUPPLY. Abandoned lots don't have a food supply. People's kitchens and garbage do. They didn't show up to live in the grass. They came to get something to eat. As far as cover. There is plenty of cover on anyone's property, tall grass or not.

angelatc
07-21-2014, 02:43 PM
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Again, why are you on a liberty forum? .

I have never claimed to be an anarchist. I joined to try to stop the federal government from overstepping it's constitutional powers. I have always been supportive of states rights and by extension, the rights of local governments.

That's the same thing Ron Paul believes, so perhaps you should ask yourself why you're here.

angelatc
07-21-2014, 02:46 PM
I don't want the mice at my place either. I say keep em in the city.

Mice need a FOOD SUPPLY. Abandoned lots don't have a food supply. People's kitchens and garbage do. They didn't show up to live in the grass. They came to get something to eat. As far as cover. There is plenty of cover on anyone's property, tall grass or not.

A food supply. You mean, like CROPS?

I have lived in the city and I have lived in the country. We had more mice try to move in to the homes we had in the country than we ever did in the city. (We also had cats, so they never lasted long.)

Part of that is likely because the habitat in the country is more conducive to breeding mice and rats. Where as in the city, people cut their damned grass.

Anti Federalist
07-21-2014, 02:49 PM
What's the difference between telling someone that is in a shitty job situation to "just find another job", or someone who has to fly as a requirement of their job to "just not fly" and telling someone who doesn't like their neighbor's high grass to "just find another place to live"?

angelatc
07-21-2014, 02:52 PM
What's the difference between telling someone that is in a shitty job situation to "just find another job", or someone who has to fly as a requirement of their job to "just not fly" and telling someone who doesn't like their neighbor's high grass to "just find another place to live"?

The difference is that the people who bought both houses bought them with the knowledge that the community standards would be both expected and enforced.

If you do not want to cut your grass, but the local law says you must, then you need to either cut your grass or sell your house.

otherone
07-21-2014, 02:58 PM
Part of that is likely because the habitat in the country is more conducive to breeding mice and rats. Where as in the city, people cut their damned grass.

Different species.

jbauer
07-21-2014, 03:01 PM
Lady, I grew up on a dairy farm. My family and I live on a farm. I know exactly what causes and doesn't cause mice. Weeds don't cause mice. Now if your neighbor is growing a crop on his lot then asking him/her to mow it is quite socialist in nature isn't it?

There's nothing constitutional about grass height. My guess is Dr. Paul would say it falls under personal property rights.

The central question should be this: Does a local government or even just a majority have the right to tell you what MUST DO or MUST NOT DO with the threat of force through thugs with guns and cages on your own property?

If so where is the line? Grass height? Flower arrangement? Pets? Skin color? Bedroom topics? Gun ownership? Where's the line? How much tyranny is acceptable to you?


A food supply. You mean, like CROPS?

I have lived in the city and I have lived in the country. We had more mice try to move in to the homes we had in the country than we ever did in the city. (We also had cats, so they never lasted long.)

Part of that is likely because the habitat in the country is more conducive to breeding mice and rats. Where as in the city, people cut their damned grass.

jbauer
07-21-2014, 03:05 PM
What if I could buy enough politicians off so they passed laws that said:

All residents must now support the furher at all times without question. Jews shall be labeled as undesirables and "dealt with". Books shall be burned. Unjust treaties shall be broken? Any of that ok?

angelatc
07-21-2014, 03:10 PM
There's nothing constitutional about grass height.

Which is why the conversation doesn't actually fucking belong in Ron Paul forums, isn't it?



The central question should be this: Does a local government or even just a majority have the right to tell you what MUST DO or MUST NOT DO with the threat of force through thugs with guns and cages on your own property?

If so where is the line? Grass height? Flower arrangement? Pets? Skin color? Bedroom topics? Gun ownership? Where's the line? How much tyranny is acceptable to you?

Gun ownership is a constitutional issue. I guess you forgot that?


As for the rest of it, I can't make it much clearer. I believe that local governments have the right to dictate community standards. As do HOA's.

I would say I'm sorry that upsets you, but I actually don't give a rat's ass.

angelatc
07-21-2014, 03:14 PM
What if I could buy enough politicians off so they passed laws that said:

All residents must now support the furher at all times without question. Jews shall be labeled as undesirables and "dealt with". Books shall be burned. Unjust treaties shall be broken? Any of that ok?



How about addressing the actual issue at hand instead of just making something else up entirely? Or actually, don't. But this post right here? This is just so far beyond stupid it boggles the fucking mind.


(But amusingly enough - you're the one here crying that the "cut your lawn if you want to live here" treaty is somehow mercilessly unjust and the people breaking it shouldn't pay any penalty.)

*ETA: I would point out that I have made the caveat that the rules should not be changed after the home is purchased. If you buy a house that comes with no law about grass height, then any future law about grass height should not apply to that property until the property again changes hands.

After that, if you're dumb enough to buy a house in a neighborhood that demands you burn your books, then I'm assuming you probably don't read much anyway.

Philhelm
07-21-2014, 03:16 PM
What if I could buy enough politicians off so they passed laws that said:

All residents must now support the furher at all times without question. Jews shall be labeled as undesirables and "dealt with". Books shall be burned. Unjust treaties shall be broken? Any of that ok?

The law is the law.

coastie
07-21-2014, 03:20 PM
I have a lot of customers here in the northeast that, while their lawns are immaculate, fail to regularly drain children's toys, buckets, or any outside vessels of standing water, leading to mosquito spikes. We have had heavy rainfall here, it's tough to keep up with, perhaps town councils can create laws and hire cops to police standing water and shoot dogs that intervene.

Yep. I live in Florida. It's been raining the last 4 days nearly non-stop in my area. I literally just walked back inside doing exactly what you just described.

Now, I know where the mosquitoes come from in my immediate area - and that's the neighbor on the rear of my property. Theirs is the oldest house in the 'hood, and with that, sits WAY lower than the houses surrounding his.

And with that, there's ALWAYS a swamp at least 6 inches deep -even when it hasn't rained - that my privacy fence sits in.

Thank god angelatc doesn't live here, as she'd just tell them they need to move. Or raise their house. Or put dirt down to raise the property level(which would then flood his house).

Luckily for them, I live here. His wife is a brain AND breast cancer survivor. He's had 4 heart attacks and a stroke in the last 5 years. They both work low-paying jobs, because well - that's what's around here. I work 60+ hours a week, and still find the time to cut their grass, and then I toss a couple of "Mosquito Dunks" into the swamp to control them(seeing as how our beloved govt can't seem to ever get the mosquito control truck out to my hood).

I'm sure they can afford a $500 fine, or maybe a week delay or so in pay since you can't work from jail, all because people like angela don't like how it looks. And that is your actual issue here, and you know it.

And as far as you questioning why others are here (because of Ron Paul)....I'm positive he would go offer to help his neighbors remedy the situation, and that he would NEVER call guys with guns to extract a ransom from them to appease himself and then sit back and go "nanner nanner nanner, I showed you!".

I'll bet you've called "authorities" more than once in your life...

jbauer
07-21-2014, 03:21 PM
The law is the law.

Damn straight!! Thank goodness for laws. I'm not sure how any of us could be decent to each other without them!!! Especially in the lawn care arena.

jbauer
07-21-2014, 03:26 PM
The issue at hand in the use of gobernment mobsters to force private property to do or not do something or face additional taxation or cage time.

I'm all on board with your caveat, although it didn't exist prior till now. If the rules existed prior to home purchase I'm good with it. However that's not this case. This is about a town passing new laws on existing homeowners.

As for the book burnings. I live at the end of a dead end with one access point. I can't see my neighbors and I like that. That way some prissy can't tell me how long my lawn should be although I mow it regularly.


How about addressing the actual issue at hand instead of just making something else up entirely? Or actually, don't. But this post right here? This is just so far beyond stupid it boggles the fucking mind.


(But amusingly enough - you're the one here crying that the "cut your lawn if you want to live here" treaty is somehow mercilessly unjust and the people breaking it shouldn't pay any penalty.)

*ETA: I would point out that I have made the caveat that the rules should not be changed after the home is purchased. If you buy a house that comes with no law about grass height, then any future law about grass height should not apply to that property until the property again changes hands.

After that, if you're dumb enough to buy a house in a neighborhood that demands you burn your books, then I'm assuming you probably don't read much anyway.

Warrior_of_Freedom
07-21-2014, 03:26 PM
Don't like it? Live somewhere else.

There is nowhere else, unless you live in the middle of a f***ing forest and even then you might get kicked out for being on "government" property

Anti Federalist
07-21-2014, 03:28 PM
The difference is that the people who bought both houses bought them with the knowledge that the community standards would be both expected and enforced.

If you do not want to cut your grass, but the local law says you must, then you need to either cut your grass or sell your house.

How is a law dictating your grass length any different than a law dictating who you can hire or fire?

angelatc
07-21-2014, 03:29 PM
And with that, there's ALWAYS a swamp at least 6 inches deep -even when it hasn't rained - that my privacy fence sits in.

Thank god angelatc doesn't live here, as she'd just tell them they need to move. Or raise their house. Or put dirt down to raise the property level(which would then flood his house).
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Uh, My property has a swampish bit on it too. The south end of it sits on a river, and when it rains that end of the yard is the lowest point, so when the river rises, my property gets it first.



Luckily for them, I live here. His wife is a brain AND breast cancer survivor. He's had 4 heart attacks and a stroke in the last 5 years. They both work low-paying jobs, because well - that's what's around here. I work 60+ hours a week, and still find the time to cut their grass, and then I toss a couple of "Mosquito Dunks" into the swamp to control them(seeing as how our beloved govt can't seem to ever get the mosquito control truck out to my hood).

Thats nice. My husband had a stroke 3 years and it left him in chronic pain. As a result, I get to do everything around here. I cook I clean I cut the grass, I clean the gutters, I change the oil in the car, I feed the critters.....and I'm looking for a job.

Note that I managed to indeed keep the gutters clear and the lawn cut.


]I'm sure they can afford a $500 fine, or maybe a week delay or so in pay since you can't work from jail, all because people like angela don't like how it looks. And that is your actual issue here, and you know it.

I know exactly what it looks like, but I still manage to carry my end and more. How fucking dare you imply that my life must be some cushy reality because I don't think that asking people to keep their grass cut is too much to ask.





And as far as you questioning why others are here (because of Ron Paul)....I'm positive he would go offer to help his neighbors remedy the situation, and that he would NEVER call guys with guns to extract a ransom from them to appease himself and then sit back and go "nanner nanner nanner, I showed you!".

I'll bet you've called "authorities" more than once in your life...

You'd be wrong about that, too. Imagine that.

angelatc
07-21-2014, 03:30 PM
How is a law dictating your grass length any different than a law dictating who you can hire or fire?

Did the law exist when the business was started? I have no problems with local governments setting rules for employers, either. My beef is either with the federal government, or the fact that they shoudn't pass such laws.

Which is different than saying they don't have the right to.

The anti-GMO legislation in Oregon comes to mind. The localities have the right to dictate that the farmers only grow approved crops, but that certainly doesn't meant they shoudl.

angelatc
07-21-2014, 03:31 PM
There is nowhere else, unless you live in the middle of a f***ing forest and even then you might get kicked out for being on "government" property

There are lots of places that don't have laws about how long your grass can be, [mod edit]

coastie
07-21-2014, 03:33 PM
Thats nice. My husband had a stroke 3 years and it left him in chronic pain. As a result, I get to do everything around here. I cook I clean I cut the grass, I clean the gutters, I change the oil in the car, I feed the critters.....and I'm looking for a job.

Note that I managed to indeed keep the gutters clear and the lawn cut.

The couple I mentioned BOTH have these health issues, there sparky. Neither one can do any of these things, something I made clear in the post you quoted. I didn't ask, nor do I give two shits, about what you do around your house. Like any of that shit is hard to do, lol.

eta: Something tells me you probably blame your husband in some way for all the work you have to do now....

Anti Federalist
07-21-2014, 03:36 PM
Did the law exist when the business was started? I have no problems with local governments setting rules for employers, either. My beef is either with the federal government, or the fact that they shoudn't pass such laws.

Which is different than saying they don't have the right to.

So if a local or state government wanted to pass a law prohibiting employers from random urine testing of employees, that would be OK?

I'm not sure I want anybody passing laws like that at any level, and would much rather have people come to a voluntary consensus, but sometimes I guess it is the only thing that works.

coastie
07-21-2014, 03:37 PM
Go fuck yourself. Hard.

That's the message I just received from my first ever neg rep. lmao.

Too much of a fucking coward to "say" it publicly, huh?

angelatc
07-21-2014, 03:38 PM
The couple I mentioned BOTH have these health issues, there sparky. Neither one can do any of these things, something I made clear in the post you quoted. I didn't ask, nor do I give two shits, about what you do around your house. Like any of that shit is hard to do, lol.

eta: Something tells me you probably blame your husband in some way for all the work you have to do now....

Go fuck yourself, harder. My husband is the nicest guy in the world, would have done anything for anybody. Seeing him reduced to not being able to move without wincing is the hardest thing I'll ever have to deal with, asshole. And I have to deal with it every fucking single day.

And not that it's any of your business, but I've had a degenerative joint disease since I was 12 fucking years old. So guess what - once again you don't know jack shit about me.....but "sparky", both of us have serious health issues too. I just don't whine about it on the internet, because I don't want help.

Nobody has ever accused me of being afraid to say what I think. ANd I think you're being a total dick.

And yes, this is totally worth a ban. I don't even have a riding mower, you pussy. Bet you do..... Want to tell me that shoveling the drive way all winter isn't hard work either? Oh wait - you live in Florida. Panama City, even. That explains a lot...

angelatc
07-21-2014, 03:45 PM
So if a local or state government wanted to pass a law prohibiting employers from random urine testing of employees, that would be OK?

.

Absolutely. "If you want to do business in my community, you have to agree to these terms," is not unreasonable. And the more local the law, the better. I'm a bigger fan of city and county government than I am state and federal. It's a shame that most people don't pay nearly as much attention to those entities as they do federal politics.

coastie
07-21-2014, 03:50 PM
Go fuck yourself, harder. My husband is the nicest guy in the world, would have done anything for anybody. Seeing him reduced to not being able to move without wincing is the hardest thing I'll ever have to deal with, asshole. And I have to deal with it every fucking single day.

And not that it's any of your business, but I've had a degenerative joint disease since I was 12 fucking years old. So guess what - once again you don't know jack shit about me.....but "sparky", both of us have serious health issues too. I just don't whine about it on the internet, because I don't want help.

Nobody has ever accused me of being afraid to say what I think. ANd I think you're being a total dick.


But here's the thing: You injected your situation into this, and it wasn't even fucking related to what I said, because BOTH people in that household can't do shit for themselves with regard to outside work, and a THIRD PARTY is helping them(that being me, the total dick)...THAT was my fucking point, is that YOU'D NEVER help them, you'd just call the cops.

Not that you'd ever see that, but whatever. Enjoy what's left of your miserable life.

Schifference
07-21-2014, 03:50 PM
Go fuck yourself, harder asshole.
ANd I think you're being a total dick.
Is calling a person a cunt the same as calling someone a dick?

coastie
07-21-2014, 03:52 PM
Is calling a person a cunt the same as calling someone a dick?
Only in the ears of the offended. They're just words. And I haven't called her anything, her rabid idiocy explains all.

jbauer
07-21-2014, 03:56 PM
The localities don't have the right to tell a farmer what they can and can't grow on he property. PERSONAL PROPETY RIGHTS trump BS laws. If they aren't infringing on your rights, you've got no right to tell someone else how to run theirs.

I think I'm going to move to your town and get a law passed that says you must have grass at least 2 feet tall. Instead of $500 we can do $5000, that'll teach em!!


Did the law exist when the business was started? I have no problems with local governments setting rules for employers, either. My beef is either with the federal government, or the fact that they shoudn't pass such laws.

Which is different than saying they don't have the right to.

The anti-GMO legislation in Oregon comes to mind. The localities have the right to dictate that the farmers only grow approved crops, but that certainly doesn't meant they shoudl.

jbauer
07-21-2014, 03:58 PM
Absolutely. "If you want to do business in my community, you have to agree to these terms," is not unreasonable. And the more local the law, the better. I'm a bigger fan of city and county government than I am state and federal. It's a shame that most people don't pay nearly as much attention to those entities as they do federal politics.

So Jim Crow laws were a good thing then?

angelatc
07-21-2014, 03:58 PM
Is calling a person a cunt the same as calling someone a dick?


Probably. But I"ve never been afraid to say what I think. ANd I think he's being a dick.

I go to bed so tired at night that I can barely make it up the stairs, and that asshole tells me I"m not really working that hard?

I sit home and cry quietly sometimes when I see my husband in so much pain, and he accuses me of blaming my husband for his stroke?

He gets to wear the badge of honor - he made personal attacks that hit home, made me cry and will finally get me banned. ANd he will take great pride in it, no doubt. And the mods will cut out the posts, so nobody will even see what he did.

I'm a pretty tough old bird, but insinuating that I don't carry enough weight, or that I don't love my husband enough - that's being a dick and he can go fuck himself, hard.

Nobody here works harder than I do. My whole life is held together with nothing but dollar store duct tape right now, but I am indeed holding it together pretty much all by myself.

acptulsa
07-21-2014, 03:58 PM
So, joints are fine but spliffs aren't tolerated?

angelatc
07-21-2014, 03:59 PM
So Jim Crow laws were a good thing then?


Oh shut up. Go cut your damned grass.

Municipalities have the right to pass bad laws. There is no law against being stupid.

jbauer
07-21-2014, 03:59 PM
That's the message I just received from my first ever neg rep. lmao.

Too much of a fucking coward to "say" it publicly, huh?

Firsts for everyone!! Got my first negrep today to. Mine wasn't very colorful though:

Again, mice and rats and mosquitoes and other pests do indeed live in unkempt grass. Don't like city rules? Dont live in the city.

angelatc
07-21-2014, 04:00 PM
The localities don't have the right to tell a farmer what they can and can't grow on he property. PERSONAL PROPETY RIGHTS trump BS laws.

I think you are now confusing philosophy with reality.

angelatc
07-21-2014, 04:01 PM
Firsts for everyone!! Got my first negrep today to. Mine wasn't very colorful though:

Again, mice and rats and mosquitoes and other pests do indeed live in unkempt grass. Don't like city rules? Dont live in the city.

Uh, it seems that you forgot to mention that you negged me first.....

euphemia
07-21-2014, 04:01 PM
In doing a bit of homework, the standard is that grass may not be more than 12" high. That's pretty tall. I don't think it's worth going to jail over, but there you go.

Schifference
07-21-2014, 04:03 PM
You forgot to mention that you negged me first.

Hatfield's & McCoy's.

jbauer
07-21-2014, 04:05 PM
Probably. But I"ve never been afraid to say what I think. ANd I think he's being a dick.

I go to bed so tired at night that I can barely make it up the stairs, and that asshole tells me I"m not really working that hard?

I sit home and cry quietly sometimes when I see my husband in so much pain, and he accuses me of blaming my husband for his stroke?

He gets to wear the badge of honor - he made the personal attacks that hit home, made me cry and will finally get me banned. But he can go fuck himself. Nobody here works harder than I do. Especially him.

Whoese fucking me. Everyone has a cross to bear. Shit happens. I hate that your husband had a stroke. I hate that its made life unfair for you. I hate that you think the worlds against you. But it is what it is. Thankfully you work harder then everyone else while you type 40 THOUSAND messages since 2007. That's like only 15 a day average every day since 2007. Get over yourself.

And yes, this is the first time I've went after someone on a stupid message board. Anglec, I'll keep it to this thread. You've always seemed nice prior till now. I don't have a problem with you with the exception being this issue which your're dead wrong on.

jbauer
07-21-2014, 04:05 PM
Uh, it seems that you forgot to mention that you negged me first.....

No actually I didn't. Its right in the first words of my first post on this thread.

"Had to negrep you. Sorry you're a good poster."

euphemia
07-21-2014, 04:07 PM
I'm sorry you are having such a hard time, angelatc.

coastie
07-21-2014, 04:07 PM
EDITED AFTER I RESPONDED

And yes, this is totally worth a ban. I don't even have a riding mower, you pussy. Bet you do..... Want to tell me that shoveling the drive way all winter isn't hard work either? Oh wait - you live in Florida. Panama City, even. That explains a lot...

Whoa. Yep, as a matter of fact, I just bought one last week. An old John Deere L100. Bought it from the same aforementioned neighbor who can't cut his grass. He offered to give it to me, but I gave him $200. A little bit of welding on the deck and she runs like a champ.

Guess what, angela? I can cut my yard and THREE of my neighbor's yards in about an hour.

Shoveling snow in the winter? Don't like it? THEN FUCKING MOVE.

Funny you mention that, I've said it here in the past, I used to shovel all of my neighbors driveways/sidewalks while I was stationed in Maine/New Hampshire and Massachusetts. I'll bet you only do yours.

Your whole "Panama City even, that explains a lot" comment means so little to me I'm surprised I'm even commenting on it. I don't live in Panama City, I live in Panama City Beach, two TOTALLY different towns.

Explains what, exactly? I'm not even from here, I was born in New Hampshire. I've lived here since I was 14, so 23 years total, give or take the time I was in the CG.

What, you insinuating I'm a dirty assed redneck, or something? Lol.

angelatc
07-21-2014, 04:11 PM
Whoa. Yep, as a matter of fact, I just bought one last week. An old John Deere L100. Bought it from the same aforementioned neighbor who can't cut his grass. He offered to give it to me, but I gave him $200. A little bit of welding on the deck and she runs like a champ.


Must be nice to have extra money. If I had $200 I'd buy a riding mower too. We had to sell our 54" zero turn to pay our property taxes.

I don't move because my son is still in high school. I am not going to make him give up his life just to make mine easier.


How is your wife doing these days? Hardly ever hear you mention her....

Philhelm
07-21-2014, 04:17 PM
I don't even have a riding mower, you pussy. Bet you do.....

I sit comfortably on my wife's back as she stands on all fours chewing on grass. Who needs a lawn mower?

coastie
07-21-2014, 04:20 PM
Must be nice to have extra money. If I had $200 I'd buy a riding mower too. We had to sell our 54" zero turn to pay our property taxes.


It is nice...and also sounds like something my 15 yr old would(and has) said to me. You called me a pussy for having one, then admit you'd get one(a MUCH more expensive one, I might add), then said you sold yours to pay property taxes. You're ridiculous.

coastie
07-21-2014, 04:21 PM
I sit comfortably on my wife's back as she stands on all fours chewing on grass. Who needs a lawn mower?

Biggest smile on my face all day.

Schifference
07-21-2014, 04:25 PM
Didn't someone get perma banned for calling someone a name in the religion forum? I don't remember exactly I think somebody called someone a slut or something like that. I guess it is one of those things where it is not what someone says as much as who says it.

Philhelm
07-21-2014, 04:28 PM
Didn't someone get perma banned for calling someone a name in the religion forum? I don't remember exactly I think somebody called someone a slut or something like that. I guess it is one of those things where it is not what someone says as much as who says it.

War on Men?

coastie
07-21-2014, 04:29 PM
Didn't someone get perma banned for calling someone a name in the religion forum? I don't remember exactly I think somebody called someone a slut or something like that. I guess it is one of those things where it is not what someone says as much as who says it.

Oh jeezus don't ban her. I didn't even neg rep her. Dick and asshole, lol. I've been called worse, and I give not a fuck what she thinks of me, or anything, for that matter.

Schifference
07-21-2014, 04:32 PM
Oh jeezus don't ban her. I didn't even neg rep her. Dick and asshole, lol. I've been called worse, and I give not a fuck what she thinks of me, or anything, for that matter.
Isn't the whole argument about following established rules?

angelatc
07-21-2014, 04:36 PM
It is nice.... You called me a pussy for having one, then admit you'd get one(a MUCH more expensive one, I might add), then said you sold yours to pay property taxes. You're ridiculous.

You are a self involved pussy.

Lots of people here who actually pay attention know that we had a beautiful home on 10 acres, and we bought that mower when we had enough property to justify it. We had to sell that house when he had the stroke. Then we had to sell the mower because we needed to pay our property taxes.

It's pretty that you find picking on a woman with a crippled husband somehow makes you feel good about yourself....your life must actually suck worse than mine.

How's your wife?

angelatc
07-21-2014, 04:37 PM
Isn't the whole argument about following established rules?

Absolutely. As well as being willing to face the consequences for not doing so.

coastie
07-21-2014, 04:37 PM
Must be nice to have extra money. If I had $200 I'd buy a riding mower too. We had to sell our 54" zero turn to pay our property taxes.

I don't move because my son is still in high school. I am not going to make him give up his life just to make mine easier.


How is your wife doing these days? Hardly ever hear you mention her....

She's doing great, actually. Thanks for asking.













LMAO, bet that wasn't the response you were looking for, now was it? Maybe you should be banned, as you're nothing but a .......never mind, I hate shouting down to those below me.

coastie
07-21-2014, 04:41 PM
You are a self involved pussy.

Lots of people here who actually pay attention now that we had 10 acres, and we bought that mower when we had enough property to justify it. We had to sell that house when he had the stroke. Then we had to sell the mower because we needed to pay our property taxes.

It's pretty that you find picking on a woman with a crippled husband somehow makes you feel good about yourself....your life must actually suck worse than mine.

How's your wife?

And there you go, again.

And again, she's doing great. The toxicity from the pills she stopped taking seems to have subsided completely now. Thanks for asking.

angelatc
07-21-2014, 04:41 PM
She's doing great, actually. Thanks for asking.


LMAO, bet that wasn't the response you were looking for, now was it? Maybe you should be banned, as you're nothing but a .......never mind, I hate shouting down to those below me.
I got what I was looking for. Go have a beer.

pcosmar
07-21-2014, 04:41 PM
BUllshit. Mice and mosquitos live in uncut grass.


Mosquitoes breed in water,, and go everywhere from there.
They sit in damp grass (dew) and it does not matter what the length is.

And Mice live in homes.. Cat just got one upstairs.
Cats get them in the Mowed yard too..

Mice are a reality and are likely more common in homes and buildings in an urban environment. An overgrown yard would be minor choice.

angelatc
07-21-2014, 04:42 PM
Mosquitoes breed in water,, and go everywhere from there.
They sit in damp grass (dew) and it does not matter what the length is.



The length matters because long grass stays wet much longer than short grass does.

PaulConventionWV
07-21-2014, 04:48 PM
If you want to live in the city, then you can't act like a dumbass. Did I say mosquitos bred in the long grass? No, I didn't. You know why I didn't say that? Because mosquitos don't breed in the grass, moron. But the adults do indeed hide there during the day. If you don't believe me, go cut your nasty long ass grass and you will absolutely see a drop in the mosquito population.

And you will also see less mice, snakes and other creatures around your house too.

Gotta tell you, these days it gives me pleasure to know that my local government pisses people like you off when they ticket them for not taking care of their property. If you want to live in a dump, go live in the country where nobody cares. If you want to live in the city, stop whining about having to cut the damned grass.

It's none of your damned business what people do with their grass. Treating people like criminals for not mowing their lawn is an obvious overreach of government, something I expected all Ron Paul supporters to understand. Laws should be based on actual aggressive crimes.

Central to the idea of liberty is property rights. If you don't have the right to your property, then what do you have the right to? Basically nothing.

Now, if you think someone else's lawn is increasing the vermin population, move or protect your own property. If you really want to be protected against such a crime as long grass, then join a Homeowner's Association or move to the country yourself.

coastie
07-21-2014, 04:48 PM
I got what I was looking for. Go have a beer.

Oh no you didn't get what you were looking for. At all. You're fuming I didn't react as you have in this thread,start attacking you and eventually sent you back to your corner sobbing and crying uncontrollably...again.

Don't drink beer anymore, I'm all about some Angry Orchards though (pops top). It's after 5 here!

PaulConventionWV
07-21-2014, 04:53 PM
So you are here telling me that a habitat that provides cover against predators somehow won't increase the population of neighborhood vermin. SMFH.

I'd rather keep the little bastards out in the country where they belong. Which is much easier to do when the neighbors are not too lazy to even cut their freaking grass.

The property owner has a right to their property, whether you like it or not. They cannot be held responsible for the actions of animals. If you are so bothered by the population of vermin, like I said, join a Homeowner's Assocation or move to the country.

Besides, people all over the world have managed to live in peace with the presence of mosquitoes and mice and whatever by taking the necessary precautions. No man can be held responsible for the actions of nature so just deal with it because it's really not that big of a deal. People live in wild places all the time and somehow, they get along just fine.

Take the necessary precautions or move.

coastie
07-21-2014, 04:54 PM
The length matters because long grass stays wet much longer than short grass does.

AH HA!

Size queen.

I fucking knew it.

PaulConventionWV
07-21-2014, 04:58 PM
I have never claimed to be an anarchist. I joined to try to stop the federal government from overstepping it's constitutional powers. I have always been supportive of states rights and by extension, the rights of local governments.

That's the same thing Ron Paul believes, so perhaps you should ask yourself why you're here.

States have constitutions, too, y'know.

Or did you think they were all exempt from government boundaries? Have you ever read your state's constitution?