Christie calls for 'forceful' defense of Israel, says Obama not 'decisive'

[enhanced_deficit]

Christie who had been reeling from Bridgegate scandal is trying to come back in the race for neocons' money bundlers? He should have stuck to dance off strategy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A2IXsB7C0Q



Christie calls for 'forceful' defense of Israel, says Obama not 'decisive'
Published July 13, 2014
http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/876/493/GovernorsChristie_Cham640.jpg?ve=1&tl=1 July 12, 2014: New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie talks with the media at the National Governors Association convention in Nashville, Tenn. (AP Photo/Mark Humphrey)

Partly blaming unrest in the Middle East on President Barack Obama, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said Saturday that Obama has not spoken firmly and forcefully on Israel's behalf and that the country no longer trusts it has the full support of the United States because of him.
"Israel is not sure that they have America's full support like they used to," Christie said. "And that's a real failure of this presidency, in my view.."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/13/christie-calls-for-forceful-defense-israel-says-obama-not-decisive/




Not a fan of Obama but does Christie know what Obama has to put up with in criticisms/pressures from both sides on his "walk the rope" balancing act on Israel policy?
Could it be that the nobel peace prize winner is doing something right on this issue if he is being attacked so harshly from both sides?
Following are just few views, albeit extreme from the two ends of the spectrum, with underlying beliefs that Obama is not sufficiently pro-Israel / is too pro-Israel.



Some pro-Israel critics of Obama:

Ben Shapiro: Obama White House is ‘borderline a Jew-hating administration’
July 11, 2014 by Tom Tillison
http://www.bizpacreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/ben_shapiro.jpgTruth Revolt editor Ben Shapiro held nothing back in offering a tough assessment of the Obama administration‘s response to the terrorist group Hamas attacking Israel, saying it’s a borderline “Jew-hating administration.”
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/07/11/ben-shapiro-obama-white-house-is-borderline-a-jew-hating-administration-130914


Publisher of the ‘Atlanta Jewish Times’ suggests Mossad should assassinate Obama (http://mondoweiss.net/2012/01/publisher-of-the-atlanta-jewish-times-suggests-mossad-should-assassinate-obama.html)
Adam Horowitz on January 20, 2012
John Cook reports at Gawker (http://gawker.com/5877892/):
Andrew Adler, the owner and publisher of the Atlanta Jewish Times, a weekly newspaper serving Atlanta’s Jewish community, devoted his January 13, 2012 column to the thorny problem of the U.S. and Israel’s diverging views on the threat posed by Iran. Basically Israel has three options, he wrote: Strike Hezbollah and Hamas, strike Iran, or “order a hit” on Barack Obama (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/284979-ajt.html). Either way, problem solved!
Here’s how Adler laid out “option three” in his list of scenarios facing Israeli president Benjamin Netanyahu (the column, which was forwarded to us by a tipster, isn’t online, but you can read a copy here (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/284979-ajt.html)):


Three, give the go-ahead for U.S.-based Mossad agents to take out a president deemed unfriendly to Israel in order for the current vice president to take his place, and forcefully dictate that the United States’ policy includes its helping the Jewish state obliterate its enemies.

Yes, you read “three” correctly. Order a hit on a president in order to preserve Israel’s existence. Think about it. If I have thought of this Tom Clancy-type scenario, don’t you think that this almost unfathomable idea has been discussed in Israel’s most inner circles?
Another way of putting “three” in perspective goes something like this: How far would you go to save a nation comprised of seven million lives…Jews, Christians and Arabs alike?
You have got to believe, like I do, that all options are on the table.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTOumPRP0NaxY6xt93qp7XuzAeH5VTpT k-ARcOi-kia74pyYQnH





Some "anti-Israel" critics of Obama:

http://archive.adl.org/nr/rdonlyres/epbe5pf5xhr6ulneciqhcna67xqoydn2j3bpltzbitleq6quth tl2jbdvjlyc7rrbb26tu3tppygxgijucievo3unja/kjaelectionpr.jpg

http://ih.constantcontact.com/fs024/1101063573327/img/3847.jpg The following is from the website of the Anti-Defamation League. ADL, which monitors and combats anti-Semitism worldwide, is one of the 32 agencies and programs funded by The Birmingham Jewish Federation Annual Campaign.

http://archive.adl.org/anti_semitism_arab/cartoon-compilation-2012.html


Some conservative critics of Obama:

James Woods on Obama: He’s the ‘gift from hell’

The Washington Times Thursday, September 12, 2013




http://media.washtimes.com/media/image/2013/09/04/9_4_2013_ap1202290336308201_s160x116.jpg?6245d4b98 1be5c0dbf526a2ddfd2c5ef89877976 (http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/image/9_4_2013_ap1202290336308201jpg/)


The latest came this week, in response to a report from British press that revealed the National Security Agency commonly provides Israel with intelligence data — without first stripping out private and personal information on American citizens. The Guardian in London reported the item, the latest in its coverage of document leaks from Edward Snowden.
Mr. Woods unleashed his views of the matter — and of Mr. Obama's role in allowing the practice to occur — on Twitter.
He wrote: "Report: Data on Americans shared with Israel ... Obama: the gift from hell that keeps on giving."
This is hardly the first unfavorable rating Mr. Woods has posted on his Twitter account about Mr. Obama. In July, the actor ranted over Mr. Obama's insertion of his personal opinion into the George Zimmerman-Trayvon Martin trial, characterizing it as fueling racial tensions and wondering why the president would speak his mind about the death of the 17-year-old Trayvon but not worry so much about American's soldiers and wounded warriors.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/12/james-woods-obama-hes-gift-hell/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/12/james-woods-obama-hes-gift-hell/#ixzz2fkNuLAHx)




Related

Caution Graphic Video: USTF funded strike kills 4 Palestinian children on Gaza beach in 2nd tap (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?455944-Caution-Graphic-USTF-funded-strike-kills-4-Palestinian-children-on-Gaza-beach-in-2nd-tap&)

Obama: 'Israel Has The Right To Defend Itself' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/15/obama-israel-ceasefire_n_5586229.html)

Bachmann: If We Don’t Completely Support Israel, God Will Curse Us (http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/michele-bachmann-if-we-dont-completely-support-israel-god-will-curse-us/)

[pcosmar]

So,,

The next election depends on the support for the state of Israel.

I do not believe that is a topic that is open for debate.

[pcosmar]

American politics being driven by Israel.

Seriously?



http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/tumblr_ljh0puClWT1qfkt17.gif



Watch this game go down.

[TaftFan]

Obama is pretty much being a pesky dumbass to Israel.

"Show restraint" "Try not to hurt too many civilians"

All while Hamas is firing thousands of rockets into Israel, using human shields, and violating a ceasefire that Israel observed.

Meanwhile, Harry Reid won't allow a vote on Rand Paul's bill to cut aid to the Palestinian Authority (unity government which includes Hamas).

[Danke]

All while Hamas is firing thousands of rockets into Israel, using human shields, and violating a ceasefire that Israel observed.



http://i.imgur.com/TDwk5NI.gif

[alucard13mm]

As someone of chinese descent... what make jews so special? Mao ze dungs government killed 60 million chinese... dont see me boo hooing about it.

[jkr]

As someone of chinese descent... what make jews so special? Mao ze dungs government killed 60 million chinese... dont see me boo hooing about it.
MARKETING

[pcosmar]

MARKETING

True,,
to a large extent.

But watch this become the defining theme of the next election,, watch whatever/whoever that is out there fall over themselves trying to see who loves Israel more.
The defining theme of elections,, from now on. (if it hasn't been going on already)

[Ender]

Obama is pretty much being a pesky dumbass to Israel.

"Show restraint" "Try not to hurt too many civilians"

All while Hamas is firing thousands of rockets into Israel, using human shields, and violating a ceasefire that Israel observed.

Meanwhile, Harry Reid won't allow a vote on Rand Paul's bill to cut aid to the Palestinian Authority (unity government which includes Hamas).

Palestine......

Oh, you mean that piece of land where the former residents of Israel were shoved and is not allowed to be a country? The place that had democratic elections which did not please the holy masters of the US and Israel, so they would not allow the government to take place?

The place where the people are held as prisoners while the US spreads democracy?

[enhanced_deficit]

Obama is pretty much being a pesky dumbass to Israel.

"Show restraint" "Try not to hurt too many civilians"

All while Hamas is firing thousands of rockets into Israel, using human shields, and violating a ceasefire that Israel observed.

Curious, do you agree or disagree with this view about him?

Ben Shapiro: Obama White House is ‘borderline a Jew-hating administration’
July 11, 2014 by Tom Tillison




Meanwhile, Harry Reid won't allow a vote on Rand Paul's bill to cut aid to the Palestinian Authority (unity government which includes Hamas).

Reid is a well known tool of controversial zionist group AIPAC, his stance is not surprising at all and is in line with wishes of his puppet mastas.

AIPAC Opposes Bill to Cut U.S. Aid to Palestinians (http://freebeacon.com/national-security/aipac-oppose-bill-to-cut-u-s-aid-to-palestinians/)
May 1, 2014 2:27 pm
The nation’s leading pro-Israel lobbying group will not support new legislation that would cut off U.S. aid to the Palestinians, according to multiple sources tracking the debate.

[enhanced_deficit]

US Senate is also making its voice heard:

U.S. Senate unanimously approves resolution giving full support of Israel on Gaza

The resolution had 78 bipartisan co-sponsors and was introduced by Sens. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) The House passed a similar res. July 11.

By Chemi Shalev | Jul. 20, 2014
WASHINGTON - The U.S. Senate unanimously approved a non-binding resolution in support of Israel’s right to defend itself (http://www.haaretz.com/misc/tags/IDF-1.476775)against rocket fire from the Gaza (http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.605994)Strip.
The resolution, which had 78 bipartisan sponsors, passed late Thursday by unanimous consent, a week after it was introduced by Sens. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.).
A similar resolution, introduced by Reps. Steve Israel (D-N.Y.) and Tom Cole (R-Okla.) and with over 140 cosponsors, passed unanimously in the U.S. House of Representatives on July 11.
The American Israel Public Affairs Committee, which backed both resolutions, praised the Senate for its passage.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.606183





Related

LewRockwell.com: U.S. Senators Are Nearly All Stooges for Israel (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?441430-LewRockwell-com-U-S-Senators-Are-Nearly-All-Stooges-for-Israel&)

Info about Obama's secret meet with AIPAC BoDs leaked on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apSkhUKw4W0&feature=player_detailpage#t=350)( 6:00 mark)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apSkhUKw4W0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apSkhUKw4W0&feature=player_detailpage#t=350

Israel can tap U.S. arms stockpile if needed
(http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.605445)U.S. stores munitions in classified location in Israel to which army can request access - if Obama approves.
Jul. 16, 2014
If the Israeli army needs more missiles or artillery ammunition in the present conflict with Hamas, it can ask Washington for permission to use munitions from an emergency U.S. stockpile located at a classified site in Israel.
.. the Israel Defense Forces did just that during the Second Lebanon War in 2006 – and was granted permission


Massacre in Gaza: At least 60 killed in Shuja’iyeh, over 60,000 in UN shelters (http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/massacre-shujaiyeh-shelters.html)

July 20, 2014

http://f8wee1vvia32pdxo527grujy61.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/600x300/Shujaiyeh.01.jpg
Israeli forces heavily shelled the eastern Gaza City neighborhood of Shuja’iyeh last night killing 63 Palestinians, including at least 17 children,and causing thousands to seek shelter in United Nations facilities. This latest attack brings the total number of Palestinians killed since Operation Protective Edge began on July 8, 2014 to more than 350. Over 63,173 are now living in UNRWA shelters across Gaza, nearly 10,000 more than the number of Palestinians made refugees after Operation Cast Lead in 2008-09. According to Haaretz reporter Anshel Pfeffer an IDF officer described last night’s onslaught on Shuja’iyeh as Israel “taking off the gloves.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg

CNN removes journo after she called Israelis cheering missile strike in Gaza as “Scum." (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?456088-CNN-removes-journo-after-she-called-Israelis-cheering-missile-strike-in-Gaza-as-%E2%80%9CScum-quot&)

Israel-Gaza conflict: Israeli military ‘using flechette rounds in Gaza Strip’
http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9617473.ece/alternates/w620/flechette-file-ap.jpg

The tiny arrow-like ammunition, fired in their thousands in a tank shell, have been described as carrying ‘a particularly high danger of harming innocent civilians’http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-israeli-military-using-flechette-rounds-in-gaza-strip-9617480.html

[Origanalist]

I was over at Breitbart today reading the piece about the two from Texas that got killed after volunteering to help Israel in this fight. The allegiance to Israel is astounding there.

[DevilsAdvocate]

Hamas is using human shields in this conflict and forbidding it's civilians to flee. Clustering as many women and children as they can around bombing targets in order to raise their body count and curry sympathy from the west. What these people are doing is indefensible, and the people who are falling for their propaganda are nothing more than enablers.

Israel of course, does the opposite, and actually warns civilians beforehand, telling them to flee before the area is bombed. Which side do you think has the moral high ground here?

[Origanalist]

Hamas is using human shields in this conflict and forbidding it's civilians to flee. Clustering as many women and children as they can around bombing targets in order to raise their body count and curry sympathy from the west. What these people are doing is indefensible, and the people who are falling for their propaganda are nothing more than enablers.

Israel of course, does the opposite, and actually warns civilians beforehand, telling them to flee before the area is bombed. Which side do you think has the moral high ground here?

Neither. And we don't need a "forceful-defense" for either side.

[enhanced_deficit]

Israel of course, does the opposite, and actually warns civilians beforehand, telling them to flee before the area is bombed. Which side do you think has the moral high ground here?

You may have a point there; Israel does do so, just as terrorist group Irgun used to make phone calls before bombing targets like King David hotel.


Encyclopedia of Terrorism - Volume 1 - Page 394 (http://books.google.com/books?id=-wwPNjSnxcYC&pg=PA394&lpg=PA394&dq=king+david+hotel+terror+phone+calls&source=bl&ots=rqLDSN0ekR&sig=mLm_JT65BwWkRg061KAFa2dS9Fo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-TXMU9OQJ7fNsQSTyYLgBg&ved=0CEAQ6AEwBQ)
books.google.com/books?isbn=0313308950
Peter Chalk - 2012 - ‎Political Science
Donna Bassett KING DAVID HOTEL BOMBING On July 22, 1946, a 350-kilogram (771-pound) bomb ... The Irgun made three phone calls prior to the bombing.


http://www.theworldoftruth.net/5_Bilderberg/SOS/TheRothschildHorrorPictureshow/Eng/Pics/11-20PicsSOS/SOS11MeinKampf-Dateien/MenachemBegin.jpg
http://images.rarenewspapers.com/ebayimgs/9.14.2012/image031.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=Sb9Dxz-WqrKeXM&tbnid=eHtg5urJTgq9XM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politics.ie%2Fforum%2Fhistory %2F209908-british-officials-predicted-war-arab-defeat-palestine-1948-a-5.html&ei=MjfMU4mQOoOcyASw-YGICw&bvm=bv.71198958,d.aWw&psig=AFQjCNH_sWWX5p7tPRnn_yHwUM9PwhCIGg&ust=1405978726881763)

[anaconda]

Rand Paul asked to "promise to always stand with Israel" in 2010:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o_74AYhxmA#t=10

[Ender]

Hamas is using human shields in this conflict and forbidding it's civilians to flee. Clustering as many women and children as they can around bombing targets in order to raise their body count and curry sympathy from the west. What these people are doing is indefensible, and the people who are falling for their propaganda are nothing more than enablers.

Israel of course, does the opposite, and actually warns civilians beforehand, telling them to flee before the area is bombed. Which side do you think has the moral high ground here?

Riiiiiiiight.....


Goliath is Winning in Gaza
By Eric Margolis
July 19, 2014

Israel is clearly winning the David v. Goliath struggle with Palestinians in Gaza.

Israel’s Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, seized on the murder in June of three Jewish teenagers from a West Bank settlement to launch Israel’s third war against Gaza in six years.

So far, some 230 Palestinians have been killed, 70% women and children, and one Israeli has died. Israeli bombing and shelling has made the rubble in Gaza bounce.

As in the two previous Israeli assaults on Gaza, it’s unclear who began the reciprocal rounds of shelling. Palestinians claim Israel broke what had been a successful, 18-month cease-fire; Israel claims Hamas fired first.

In fact, the latest conflict was likely begun by rockets launched against Israel by the militant Islamic Jihad movement to avenge an air attack by Israel on its members. Israel knows just how to provoke the Palestinians to violence.

Hamas, the Palestinian Islamic movement, replied to Israeli air attacks by launching salvos of home-made and smuggled rockets at Israel. These unguided weapons have proven militarily useless, little better than rocks. But they gave Israel an ideal pretext to attack Gaza and try to crush the elected Hamas government, which Israel considers its bitterest foe after Lebanon’s Hezbollah.

The Palestinians made a grave mistake resorting to rockets and mortars. Firing back at Israel certainly makes Palestinians feel good, but doing so has allowed Israel’s powerful worldwide supporters to portray the Gaza siege as a battle between equals, rather than what it really is – Israel shooting fish in a barrel.

“Israel has the right to defend itself,” goes the pro-Israel mantra – one even repeated by US President Barack Obama.

It matters not that Israel is violating US law – the Arms Control Export Act – by using US weapons against Gaza’s civilians. Nor that the assault on Gaza violates international law and the Geneva Convention. Or that much of the world sees the assault on Gaza as a crime against humanity. US elections are on the horizon and the US/Canadian government and media have taken Israel’s side.

Hamas rejected the fraudulent US/Israeli engineered truce presented by Egypt, Israel’s new best friend. On Thursday night, Israel launched a major ground offensive into Gaza, strongly backed by Washington. Palestinians have been starved and denied basic materials for years by the Israel-Egyptian siege of Gaza. The 1.7 million Gaza inhabitants live in a giant open air concentration camp on the verge of malnutrition.

The current Israeli attacks have shut down Gaza’s sewage, water and power grid, a tactic the US used in Iraq in 1991 that caused the deaths, according to the UN, of 500,000 Iraqi children. These attacks are designed to break the will of Gaza’s people, and cause them to overthrow Hamas.

It’s worth recalling that Israel helped give birth to Hamas. Israel security forces turned a blind eye to Hamas activities, and may have secretly funded it, in hopes the Islamic movement would split the Palestinians (it did) and rival the PLO. This was, of course, before PLO chief Yasser Arafat was murdered and the current PLO leadership brought under US and Israeli control.

Today, Israelis can’t even say the word ‘Hamas” without scowling and making a spitting sound…hhhhhhhhhhhamas.

Hamas has played right into Israel’s hands by launching its rocket barrages, which have proven worse than useless. Israel will now receive a half billion dollars more from the US to acquire more of its excellent Iron Dome anti-missile systems.

Meanwhile, PM Netanyahu has managed to portray Palestinians as rabid terrorists with whom no negotiations are possible. Any Palestinian state next to Israel, warns Netanyahu, would become another Gaza, shooting rockets into peaceful Israel.

Netanyahu used the Gaza crisis to repeat he would never accept even a Palestinian mini state on the West Bank. Israel must forever control the eastern border of Palestine – the Jordan River Valley. Palestinians will be left with self-governing tribal reservations. To many Israelis, Palestinians are simply wild animals who must be caged up.

By again attacking Gaza, Netanyahu has made any Israeli-Arab peace deal all the more impossible. He has also shown that his patron, the United States, has little say in the matter. Ever-timid President Obama offered to mediate between Israel and the PLO (not Hamas) while the world was waiting for him to order Israel to cease fire.

[Brian4Liberty]

So who is handling Christie these days? Is it still Condoleezza Rice?

[enhanced_deficit]

So who is handling Christie these days? Is it still Condoleezza Rice?

Doubt it, Christie be too dumb to associate with her.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VH0DmsF39UE/RyCOJPwURtI/AAAAAAAAAbQ/yvTeiN-L7fM/s400/bloody.hands.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=B723A-IZe_YoUM&tbnid=SflpoRtrHGImUM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fvineyardsaker.blogspot.com%2F2007 %2F10%2Fprotester-waves-blood-colored-hands-in.html&ei=xYHMU7u7M8-PyATxlYLADA&bvm=bv.71198958,d.aWw&psig=AFQjCNGuDveh4-qHW589cL-JISxQ4neNDQ&ust=1405997865837592)

[presence]

http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9617473.ece/alternates/w620/flechette-file-ap.jpg



of subject... but on a home defense level, super low penetration... maximum destruction; custom coat hanger flachettes:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5eSxu88dWU

[Brian4Liberty]

Doubt it, Christie be too dumb to associate with her.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VH0DmsF39UE/RyCOJPwURtI/AAAAAAAAAbQ/yvTeiN-L7fM/s400/bloody.hands.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=B723A-IZe_YoUM&tbnid=SflpoRtrHGImUM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fvineyardsaker.blogspot.com%2F2007 %2F10%2Fprotester-waves-blood-colored-hands-in.html&ei=xYHMU7u7M8-PyATxlYLADA&bvm=bv.71198958,d.aWw&psig=AFQjCNGuDveh4-qHW589cL-JISxQ4neNDQ&ust=1405997865837592)

Partial list of Christie advisors:


New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie:

Condoleezza Rice, former Secretary of State
Henry Kissinger, former Secretary of State
Richard N. Haass, president, Council on Foreign Relations
Robert E. Grady, venture capitalist and former White House associate budget director

https://news.yahoo.com/brain-trusts-behind-2016-gop-185300373.html

[Brett85]

I get so tired of the anti Israel stuff here. It really has absolutely nothing to do with non interventionism at all. True non interventionists should be critical of Obama for interfering in Israel's internal affairs and trying to tell them that they don't have the right to defend themselves. Telling Israel to show "restraint" when Hamas is launching rockets into their country is simply absurd, and non interventionists should strongly condemn President Obama for violating Israel's sovereignty and trying to dictate to them what they can and can't do.

[Brian4Liberty]

I get so tired of the anti Israel stuff here. It really has absolutely nothing to do with non interventionism at all. True non interventionists should be critical of Obama for interfering in Israel's internal affairs and trying to tell them that they don't have the right to defend themselves. Telling Israel to show "restraint" when Hamas is launching rockets into their country is simply absurd, and non interventionists should strongly condemn President Obama for violating Israel's sovereignty and trying to dictate to them what they can and can't do.

So calling for "restraint" is now a bad thing? Can't see how that violates anyone's sovereignty. Just sounds like advise, unless Obama has made some threat to attempt to enforce that advise.

[Danke]

I get so tired of the anti Israel stuff here. It really has absolutely nothing to do with non interventionism at all. True non interventionists should be critical of Obama for interfering in Israel's internal affairs and trying to tell them that they don't have the right to defend themselves. Telling Israel to show "restraint" when Hamas is launching rockets into their country is simply absurd, and non interventionists should strongly condemn President Obama for violating Israel's sovereignty and trying to dictate to them what they can and can't do.

lol, cut off aid to Israel and watch the squawking.

[oyarde]

lol, cut off aid to Israel and watch the squawking.

I say cut it off to everyone .

[TheTexan]

I respect the Palestinians for trying to defend themselves and their land, but it's futile. At some point they need to give up, because they aren't going to win. I say that knowing full well the aggressions that Israel has done upon them, but this fighting isn't getting them anywhere. How many generations of Palestinians must die?

That's just me though. It's their land, their families, so if they want to fight, that's their choice. I'm just hoping they aren't fighting simply out of pride, at this point.

[TheTexan]

Well I guess if the Palestinians can hold out long enough for the US to collapse, they may get international support to get their land back.

[dillo]

I get so tired of the anti Israel stuff here. It really has absolutely nothing to do with non interventionism at all. True non interventionists should be critical of Obama for interfering in Israel's internal affairs and trying to tell them that they don't have the right to defend themselves. Telling Israel to show "restraint" when Hamas is launching rockets into their country is simply absurd, and non interventionists should strongly condemn President Obama for violating Israel's sovereignty and trying to dictate to them what they can and can't do.

Im sick of people actually thinking that its our duty to defend another country, Im sick of political lobbying for another country which I see as the very definition of treason. Israel has its own problems, but they are by and large one of the good guys as far as I am concerned. But just because I want them to prosper doesn't mean I want them lobbying my congressmen, and calling people jew haters because they don't provide support to a country.

When someone like Obama who is a borderine neo-con on foreign policy is being called a jew hater because of his deemed lackluster support for a country I think we have a serious fucking problem.

Now if Israel was actually on the verge of being destroyed I would probably want to support them militarily, but this entagling support we have for a country is just a bad foreign policy move.

[TheTexan]

Now if Israel was actually on the verge of being destroyed I would probably want to support them militarily

Ya, in which case they could probably use some more of these, for, you know, protecting Israel:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/D9-Israel-66-IndependenceDay-Wiki-ZE-1.jpg/1024px-D9-Israel-66-IndependenceDay-Wiki-ZE-1.jpg

[enhanced_deficit]

I respect the Palestinians for trying to defend themselves and their land, but it's futile. At some point they need to give up, because they aren't going to win. I say that knowing full well the aggressions that Israel has done upon them, but this fighting isn't getting them anywhere. How many generations of Palestinians must die?

That's just me though. It's their land, their families, so if they want to fight, that's their choice. I'm just hoping they aren't fighting simply out of pride, at this point.

You seem very certain, what is the basis of this certitude?

Election of son of an African arab muslim man as POTUS few years after 9/11 attacks on WTC1/2 and following wars was a radical shift in US , as was British policy change after Irgun terror attacks on King David Hotel in Palestine decades ago.
US had not always been sugar daddy sponsoring Israeli occupation of Palestinians, for self-interest why US Americans could not revert back to stances like these inthe post 9/11 world?

U.S. had emergency plan for attacking Israel in 1967

Plan was aimed at preventing Israel from expanding westward, into Sinai, or eastward, into the West Bank.
By Amir Oren | Apr. 23, 2007
For some time, the United States had had an emergency plan to attack Israel, a plan updated just prior to the 1967 war, aimed at preventing Israel from expanding westward, into Sinai, or eastward, into the West Bank. In May 1967, one of the U.S. commands was charged with the task of removing the plan from the safe, refreshing it and preparing for an order to go into action.

This unknown aspect of the war was revealed in what was originally a top-secret study conducted by the Institute for Defense Analyses in Washington.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/u-s-had-emergency-plan-for-attacking-israel-in-1967-1.218857

[TheTexan]

You seem very certain, what is the basis of this certitude?

The Palestinians have been losing this war for close to 70 years. At this point it's looking extremely unlikely they are going to get their land back.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/mapstellstory/jews_stealing_palestine.png

There's still a chance that an international benefactor will step in and intervene, but the Palestinians don't have just a whole lot of time left before Israel has successfully removed them from the map. Very, very small chance the Palestinians can recover from this mess, IMO.

http://x1.fjcdn.com/comments/the+chances+of+this+happening+are+extremely+slim.+ but+theres+_09fdc7476b5205304a05e9803e9adeb4.jpg

[enhanced_deficit]

The Palestinians have been losing this war for close to 70 years. At this point it's looking extremely unlikely they are going to get their land back.



There's still a chance that an international benefactor will step in and intervene, but the Palestinians don't have just a whole lot of time left before Israel has successfully removed them from the map. Very, very small chance the Palestinians can recover from this mess, IMO.



It is not stock market that "trend is your friend" and even there thre are shock reversals now and then.
By such a logic, jews have been losing this land for over 4000 years and Palestinians have beeen losing for only 70 years, historic trends then would have odds heavily against jews keeping this land -- till the time when return of Christ is imminent.

Just regurgitating your logic, I don't form views based on these criterions especially when you see children being killed in the name of ancient divine prophecies or perpetual insecurities borne out of prolonged abuse/oppression.

[TheTexan]

It is not stock market that "trend is your friend" and even there thre are shock reversals now and then.
By such a logic, jews have been losing this land for over 4000 years and Palestinians have beeen losing for only 70 years, historic trends then would have odds heavily against jews keeping this land -- till the time when return of Christ is imminent.

Just regurgitating your logic, I don't form views based on these criterions especially when you see children being killed in the name of ancient divine prophecies or perpetual insecurities borne out of prolonged abuse/oppression.

By your logic, the South still has a chance to win the civil war...

[Brett85]

Im sick of people actually thinking that its our duty to defend another country, Im sick of political lobbying for another country which I see as the very definition of treason. Israel has its own problems, but they are by and large one of the good guys as far as I am concerned. But just because I want them to prosper doesn't mean I want them lobbying my congressmen, and calling people jew haters because they don't provide support to a country.

When someone like Obama who is a borderine neo-con on foreign policy is being called a jew hater because of his deemed lackluster support for a country I think we have a serious fucking problem.

I think that Obama can be called anti Israel even by non interventionists, because he constantly meddles in Israel's affairs and tries to tell them what they can and can't do. For instance, he came out and said that Israel should go back to their pre 1967 borders. So it's not that Obama is somehow anti Israel because he supports a lack of intervention overseas, but he's anti Israel because he wants to dictate to a sovereign country what they can and can't do. An interventionist foreign policy is bad for Israel, as it takes away their sovereignty and forces them to answer to foreign leaders who don't have their best interests in mind.

[2young2vote]

You should have heard the sickening rant by Rush Limbaugh today. He was claiming that the USA should be policemen of the world, spread freedom through force, that events that occur outside of the USA are still the problems of the USA. He was actually that blunt about it, that it is the USA's duty to spread freedom.

[dillo]

I think that Obama can be called anti Israel even by non interventionists, because he constantly meddles in Israel's affairs and tries to tell them what they can and can't do. For instance, he came out and said that Israel should go back to their pre 1967 borders. So it's not that Obama is somehow anti Israel because he supports a lack of intervention overseas, but he's anti Israel because he wants to dictate to a sovereign country what they can and can't do. An interventionist foreign policy is bad for Israel, as it takes away their sovereignty and forces them to answer to foreign leaders who don't have their best interests in mind.

Im not sure I consider giving advice or stating an opinion is considered interventionalism, if he was threatening them then yea I would agree. Would condemning genocides count as violating this non-interventionalist policy?

[HOLLYWOOD]

That RT video says it all... When you see propaganda spewed by Zionist clowns and Israeli Firsters like e.g., Greg Gutfeld and Ben Shapiro. Of course these under-achievers are hosted on the mightiest of US media's channels, usually based out of the Manhatten Mecca, to spew their deception and propaganda. But, what's significant in that RT video, is all the Jewish organizations that buy Washington DC or attack anyone that doesn't go along with their dictatorial policies. Everyone knows what spineless sellouts these Federal politicians within the DC Beltway, to campaign donations or the fear of them losing their next election because of powerful/wealthly pro Israeli organizations.

You keep hearing Obama is "Anti-Israel". Nothing could be further from the truth... it's these sleeper-cell media propagandists, inciting the false dichotomy of playing both sides of the left/right divide, all the while pushing their stealth agenda. Not only has Obama maintained the gravy train of Billions in US taxpayer money going to Israel, but Obama has increased it to a record level. Then there are all the "Joint Development projects" which funnels Billions more US taxpayer's money to Defense/Medical/Construction industries pf Israeli origin. BTW, Obama has kept the assessment of the Israel-US trade agreement deal classified TOP SECRET and void of any FOIA inquiries. If you think that's not enough, the Obama administration has also Vetoed every single U.N. resolution in which it; condemn, sanction, and/or penalized Israel/Israeli government.... every single one vetoed, but no matter how heinous the crime they may have committed, US rubber-stamp continuance for horrific acts. Oh, let's not forget the startling amount of "Dual Citizenship" executive level Israeli U.S. government workers, in these positions of US authority, which should be absolutely banned for any federal worker having citizenship with another foreign nation. Allegiance is to this country, not the country that may have hired you.

Yeah, when you read the garbage rag print from Israeli Firsters in US corporate media, don't forget, you'd be lucky to get even half of the real story or truth. That's the power to control over an apathetic/ignorant nation of fools, that continually refuse in doing the research/fact finding work to discover the truth. Because of these perfect examples noted, the American people don't have a representative government... just whores and order takers to the highest bidder and the top bidder are Israeli and Zionist based groups and individuals. American voting public is good for one thing with politicians, that's being 'Tax Milk Cows' for their expenditures reciprocating the special interest maintaining them in office.


PS: the title of the thread should reflect the truth, "Political Big Mouth Pig Chris Christie, wants to force more US Taxpayer money to Israel... so he may advance his political career to the presidency, by campaign controllers; AIPAC, Goldman Sachs, Wall Street, and US corporate media."


US Senate is also making its voice heard:

U.S. Senate unanimously approves resolution giving full support of Israel on Gaza
The resolution had 78 bipartisan co-sponsors and was introduced by Sens. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) The House passed a similar res. July 11.

By Chemi Shalev | Jul. 20, 2014
WASHINGTON - The U.S. Senate unanimously approved a non-binding resolution in support of Israel’s right to defend itself (http://www.haaretz.com/misc/tags/IDF-1.476775)against rocket fire from the Gaza (http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.605994)Strip.
The resolution, which had 78 bipartisan sponsors, passed late Thursday by unanimous consent, a week after it was introduced by Sens. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.).
A similar resolution, introduced by Reps. Steve Israel (D-N.Y.) and Tom Cole (R-Okla.) and with over 140 cosponsors, passed unanimously in the U.S. House of Representatives on July 11.
The American Israel Public Affairs Committee, which backed both resolutions, praised the Senate for its passage.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.606183

LewRockwell.com: U.S. Senators Are Nearly All Stooges for Israel (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?441430-LewRockwell-com-U-S-Senators-Are-Nearly-All-Stooges-for-Israel&)

Info about Obama's secret meet with AIPAC BoDs leaked on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apSkhUKw4W0&feature=player_detailpage#t=350)( 6:00 mark)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apSkhUKw4W0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apSkhUKw4W0&feature=player_detailpage#t=350

Israel can tap U.S. arms stockpile if needed
(http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.605445)U.S. stores munitions in classified location in Israel to which army can request access - if Obama approves.
Jul. 16, 2014
If the Israeli army needs more missiles or artillery ammunition in the present conflict with Hamas, it can ask Washington for permission to use munitions from an emergency U.S. stockpile located at a classified site in Israel.

[anaconda]

You should have heard the sickening rant by Rush Limbaugh today. He was claiming that the USA should be policemen of the world, spread freedom through force, that events that occur outside of the USA are still the problems of the USA. He was actually that blunt about it, that it is the USA's duty to spread freedom.

So it sounds like the FBI is still threatening Rush with the drug charges.

[Brett85]

Im not sure I consider giving advice or stating an opinion is considered interventionalism, if he was threatening them then yea I would agree. Would condemning genocides count as violating this non-interventionalist policy?

Not necessarily, but I think people here would consider it to be interventionism if President Obama were as critical of Hamas and the Palestinians as he is of Israel. I'm just saying that it's possible for a non interventionist to believe that President Obama is hostile to Israel. Of course, neocons like Jennifer Rubin would consider someone like myself to be something like a rabid anti Semite or Jew hater, but of course that isn't the case. I just believe that a non interventionist or at least much less interventionist foreign policy is much better for both the United States and Israel.

[pcosmar]

Not necessarily, but I think people here would consider it to be interventionism if President Obama were as critical of Hamas and the Palestinians as he is of Israel. I'm just saying that it's possible for a non interventionist to believe that President Obama is hostile to Israel. Of course, neocons like Jennifer Rubin would consider someone like myself to be something like a rabid anti Semite or Jew hater, but of course that isn't the case. I just believe that a non interventionist or at least much less interventionist foreign policy is much better for both the United States and Israel.

Non Intervention is a fantasy.

one I would like to see but not anything near a reality.

Obama is no more or less interventionist than Nixon or any president for the last several decades.

We have been deeply involved with the State of Israel since it's inception,, an the way back to the 1920s.

[enhanced_deficit]

That RT video says it all... When you see propaganda spewed by Zionist clowns and Israeli Firsters like e.g., Greg Gutfeld and Ben Shapiro. Of course these under-achievers are hosted on the mightiest of US media's channels, usually based out of the Manhatten Mecca, to spew their deception and propaganda. But, what's significant in that RT video, is all the Jewish organizations that buy Washington DC or attack anyone that doesn't go along with their dictatorial policies. Everyone knows what spineless sellouts these Federal politicians within the DC Beltway, to campaign donations or the fear of them losing their next election because of powerful/wealthly pro Israeli organizations.

You keep hearing Obama is "Anti-Israel". Nothing could be further from the truth... it's these sleeper-cell media propagandists, inciting the false dichotomy of playing both sides of the left/right divide, all the while pushing their stealth agenda. Not only has Obama maintained the gravy train of Billions in US taxpayer money going to Israel, but Obama has increased it to a record level. Then there are all the "Joint Development projects" which funnels Billions more US taxpayer's money to Defense/Medical/Construction industries pf Israeli origin. BTW, Obama has kept the assessment of the Israel-US trade agreement deal classified TOP SECRET and void of any FOIA inquiries. If you think that's not enough, the Obama administration has also Vetoed every single U.N. resolution in which it; condemn, sanction, and/or penalized Israel/Israeli government.... every single one vetoed, but no matter how heinous the crime they may have committed, US rubber-stamp continuance for horrific acts. Oh, let's not forget the startling amount of "Dual Citizenship" executive level Israeli U.S. government workers, in these positions of US authority, which should be absolutely banned for any federal worker having citizenship with another foreign nation. Allegiance is to this country, not the country that may have hired you.

Yeah, when you read the garbage rag print from Israeli Firsters in US corporate media, don't forget, you'd be lucky to get even half of the real story or truth. That's the power to control over an apathetic/ignorant nation of fools, that continually refuse in doing the research/fact finding work to discover the truth. Because of these perfect examples noted, the American people don't have a representative government... just whores and order takers to the highest bidder and the top bidder are Israeli and Zionist based groups and individuals. American voting public is good for one thing with politicians, that's being 'Tax Milk Cows' for their expenditures reciprocating the special interest maintaining them in office.


PS: the title of the thread should reflect the truth, "Political Big Mouth Pig Chris Christie, wants to force more US Taxpayer money to Israel... so he may advance his political career to the presidency, by campaign controllers; AIPAC, Goldman Sachs, Wall Street, and US corporate media."

This should be read by Christie, Bachmann, McCain, Hagee, and all other political agents.




By your logic, the South still has a chance to win the civil war...

Apples and donuts...


In related news, controversial Bloomberg does not want US airlines to take precautionsas rockets hit very near Israeli airport:

Ex-NYC mayor Bloomberg to fly to Tel Aviv in solidarity with Israel, despite U.S. flights ban

Bloomberg urges FAA to permit U.S. airlines to fly to Israel, says restrictions hand Hamas 'undeserved victory.'

By The Associated Press (http://www.haaretz.com/misc/writers/the-associated-press-1.237) | Jul. 23, 2014 | 5:40 AM | http://www.haaretz.com/images/icons/comment.png 8

By Zohar Blumenkrantz, Haaretz and The Associated Press
Jul. 22, 2014 | 9:05 PM


Former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has urged the Federal Aviation Administration to "reverse course" and permit U.S. airlines to fly to Israel.
Bloomberg said he will fly on El Al to Tel Aviv on Tuesday night to "show solidarity with the Israeli people and to demonstrate that it is safe to fly in and out of Israel."
In a statement, he said: "The U.S. flight restrictions are a mistake that hands Hamas an underserved victory and should be lifted immediately."
The FAA imposed a 24-hour ban Tuesday on flights to Israel after Delta and other U.S. airlines canceled trips to the country following Tuesday's rocket attack on Yehud, a town just a few miles from Ben-Gurion airport.
Delta Airlines issued a separate statement announcing they are suspending all their flights indefinitely.

Several European airlines have also suspended their flights to and from Israel. KLM canceled its Amsterdam-Tel Aviv flight on Tuesday, Lufthansa - which includes Germanwings, Austrian Airlines and Swiss Air - suspended all flights for the next 36 hours, and Air France suspended flights indefinitely.

On Tuesday evening, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu asked U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry to intervene to resume U.S. flights to Israel, sources in the Prime Minister's Office said.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.606730

[enhanced_deficit]

Ya, in which case they could probably use some more of these, for, you know, protecting Israel:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/D9-Israel-66-IndependenceDay-Wiki-ZE-1.jpg/1024px-D9-Israel-66-IndependenceDay-Wiki-ZE-1.jpg

Who'll pay for those ? ( not includng blowback costs if these will be USTF)




In related news:

Israel asks U.S. for $225 million to replace missing Iron Dome parts

Defense Secretary Chuck Hegel asks Congress to meet 'Israel's critical missile defense needs in light of the ongoing conflict in Gaza.'

By Amir Oren (http://www.haaretz.com/misc/writers/amir-oren-1.277) | 18:50 23.07.14 | http://www.haaretz.com/images/icons/comment.png 0



http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.606842



British MP David Ward is taking very different stance than Christie/Obama:



http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.606854.1406132775%21/image/70914036.JPG_gen/derivatives/landscape_640/70914036.JPG Screenshot of David Ward's tweet.



In a post that appeared on his Twitter feed Tuesday, David Ward wrote, “The big question is - if I lived in #Gaza would I fire a rocket? - probably yes”, followed by another tweet shortly thereafter, that reads “Ich bin ein #palestinian - the West must make up its mind - which side is it on?”

[A. Havnes]

So,,

The next election depends on the support for the state of Israel.

I do not believe that is a topic that is open for debate.

A respectable amount of hate for Russia can't hurt, either.

[enhanced_deficit]

A respectable amount of hate for Russia can't hurt, either.

Not at all, it helps to get money baggers/media controlers loving attention if one can adequately pander to nationalistic, MICstic, neoconistic urges of the nation groups.

[pcosmar]

The next election will be about Israel and support of Israel,,, not the United States.

I would love to see a backlash against the Nazi supporting Government we currently have. But I don't expect it.
I would love to see support for nonintervention, but I don't expect it.

The next election is being defined right now,, and it is being defined by Israel.


A respectable amount of hate for Russia can't hurt, either.

The reason Russia is being targeted is due to their interference in Israels affairs. (Iran/Syria)

[enhanced_deficit]

In related news:


Downtown New York flooded with thousands protesting Gaza op (PHOTOS) (http://rt.com/usa/175752-nyc-gaza-protest-israel/)

Published time: July 26, 2014 06:51



http://cdn.rt.com/files/news/2a/e8/80/00/000_452622518.si.jpg Demonstrators in lower Manhattan protest against Israel's recent military campaign in Gaza on July 24, 2014 in New York City. (AFP Photo / Getty Images / Spencer Platt)

Anywhere from 2,000 to 3,000 demonstrators flooded the streets around Times Square, with the police keeping a watchful eye on the crowds, who waved Palestinian flags and signs condemning Israel and criticizing US aid to the Jewish state, Reuters reported.
"We're trying to break the siege and end the killing in Palestine. We just want them to live like human beings," said Ramsay Jamal, an American of Palestinian descent, who protested with his eight-year-old son on his shoulders. The child held a banner with the words – ‘Israel, I’m just a kid. Please don’t kill me’, with a child’s hand prints in red paint around the words.

http://rt.com/files/news/2a/e8/80/00/000_was8853674.jpgNew Yorkers gather to protest Israelís military assault in Gaza during a rally at Foley Square July 24, 2014 where they will read aloud over hundred names of the Palestinian children that killed in Israelís assault, before march through lower Manhattan. (AFP Photo / Timothy A. Clary)

It wasn’t apparent who organized the protests, but the crowd drew people from towns and areas far outside New York City – one resident of Connecticut, a nursing student, talked of her parents fleeing from the Gaza Strip decades ago from what was essentially a military operation just like the one seen today.
"Even though I don't live in that country, the country lives in me," the 21-year-old Raya Karzoun told the news agency.
The situation in New York mirrored the dozens of protests that have been occurring in major cities worldwide since the start of Israel’s military onslaught on Hamas positions almost three weeks ago.
‘In our millions, we’re all Palestinian’: Wave of protests worldwide demand end to Gaza slaughter (http://rt.com/news/173496-worldwide-palestine-israel-demonstrations/)

http://rt.com/files/news/2a/e8/80/00/000_was8853695.jpgNew Yorkers gather to protest Israelís military assault in Gaza during a rally at Foley Square July 24, 2014 where they will read aloud over hundred names of the Palestinian children that killed in Israelís assault, before march through lower Manhattan. (AFP Photo / Timothy A. Clary)

France saw some of the more violent reactions to the events, as protests were banned in some cities and the police had to step in numerous times to protect Jews hiding in Synagogues against a raging crowd. At the same time, hardline Jewish groups also stood accused of instigating the unrest in France, which is home to some of the largest Jewish and Palestinian populations in the world.
France 'bans pro-Palestinian rallies' as tensions increasingly mirror Israel-Gaza animosity (http://rt.com/news/173412-france-palestinian-israel-protest/)








Gallup poll shows low support among young Americans for Operation Protective Edge

Support amongst Americans is divided, while older Americans are much likelier to say Israel’s actions are justified.

By Debra Nussbaum Cohen | Jul. 24, 2014 | 12:21 PM
A Gallup poll shows support among Americans for Israel during the Gaza Strip conflict (http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-gaza-conflict-2014) is divided, and is low among younger Americans.
The poll posted on the pollster’s website Thursday showed a statistical dead heat between those who believe Israel’s actions against Hamas are justified, 42 percent, and those who believe they are unjustified, 39 percent. The difference was within the poll’s margin of error of four percentage points.
Reactions to Hamas were lopsided, with 70 percent calling the group’s actions unjustified and just 11 percent describing them as justified.
Older Americans were much likelier to say Israel’s actions were justified: 55 percent of those over 65, 53 percent of those between 50 and 64, 36 percent of those 30-49 and just 25 percent of those 18-29.


http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.607224?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[enhanced_deficit]

Israel uses USTF bombs/planes to kill thousands of children/women/civilians in their houses/shleters/hospitals ... no biggie; but criticize one of his puppet mastas and disgraced SWC's administration gets unhinged?


Obama Admin: U.S.-Israel Relationship ‘in Jeopardy’ Over Criticism of Kerry



http://s2.freebeacon.com/up/2013/07/John-Kerry-AP.jpg (http://freebeacon.com/national-security/obama-admin-u-s-israel-relationship-in-jeopardy-over-criticism-of-kerry/)John Kerry / AP




July 28, 2014 1:08 pm
Despite years of pledges that the U.S.-Israel alliance is “unbreakable,” “ironclad,” and “unshakeable,” the Obama administration on Monday threatened the relationship over Israeli criticism of Secretary of State John Kerry.
According to the AP’s Matt Lee (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/us-fuming-over-israeli-criticism-kerry) and Julie Pace, administration officials used ”unusually harsh language” to declare that “criticism of Kerry could put the relationship between the U.S. and Israel in jeopardy” and had “crossed a line.”

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/obama-admin-u-s-israel-relationship-in-jeopardy-over-criticism-of-kerry/

[Elias Graves]

I get so tired of the anti Israel stuff here. It really has absolutely nothing to do with non interventionism at all. True non interventionists should be critical of Obama for interfering in Israel's internal affairs and trying to tell them that they don't have the right to defend themselves. Telling Israel to show "restraint" when Hamas is launching rockets into their country is simply absurd, and non interventionists should strongly condemn President Obama for violating Israel's sovereignty and trying to dictate to them what they can and can't do.

Ukraine? Not our concern.
Iraq? Not our concern.
Afghanistan? Not our concern.
ISIS crucifying Christians? Not our concern.
Israel defending itself against terrorists tunneling into grade schools? Our concern.
The disconnect is astounding.

[otherone]

Partial list of Christie advisors:

Condoleezza Rice, former Secretary of State
Henry Kissinger, former Secretary of State
Richard N. Haass, president, Council on Foreign Relations
Robert E. Grady, venture capitalist and former White House associate budget director



Don't forget Colonel Sanders.
Oh, and Ben. And Jerry.

[osan]

How about we just give the state of Connecticut to Israel and have them all move there? Let the Palestinians have what they want and the Israelis would have peace, be safe, and live in what is probably a nicer chunk of ground than that burned up chunk of clapped-out desert? CT is a craphole state, and it is small; therefore, it is no great loss to the Union and if we then are able to stop giving the Israelis billions of dollars every year, my guess is that in 20 years the investment would actually see the jihad your asses into a perfect genocide.

Hey, this is no crazier sounding than Bammy sending transport planes to Honduras to give illegals a lift to the USA.

[osan]

Ya, in which case they could probably use some more of these, for, you know, protecting Israel:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/D9-Israel-66-IndependenceDay-Wiki-ZE-1.jpg/1024px-D9-Israel-66-IndependenceDay-Wiki-ZE-1.jpg

Ooooo... where can I get one... do they come with 6-way blades?

[osan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5eSxu88dWU

BUNNY!!

Oh, the horror... the HORROR!

[AuH20]

Hamas is using human shields in this conflict and forbidding it's civilians to flee. Clustering as many women and children as they can around bombing targets in order to raise their body count and curry sympathy from the west. What these people are doing is indefensible, and the people who are falling for their propaganda are nothing more than enablers.

Israel of course, does the opposite, and actually warns civilians beforehand, telling them to flee before the area is bombed. Which side do you think has the moral high ground here?

All true. But we shouldn't be paying for their munitions or weapon programs. That's where I draw the line. I could care less how they defend themselves though, but I prefer not to be an enabler. That's their personal quarrel with the Palestinians and vice versa.

[AuH20]

The Palestinians have been losing this war for close to 70 years. At this point it's looking extremely unlikely they are going to get their land back.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/mapstellstory/jews_stealing_palestine.png

There's still a chance that an international benefactor will step in and intervene, but the Palestinians don't have just a whole lot of time left before Israel has successfully removed them from the map. Very, very small chance the Palestinians can recover from this mess, IMO.

http://x1.fjcdn.com/comments/the+chances+of+this+happening+are+extremely+slim.+ but+theres+_09fdc7476b5205304a05e9803e9adeb4.jpg

It's as good as gone. Time to move to Jordan or Syria & stop playing the role of useful idiots while their children are radicalized & then killed. They are simply wasting their time and being used by certain elements in the region to execute a proxy war.

[Acala]

The Middle East is not my problem. BUT if Israel REALLY wanted peace there is a way. Buy the land. Open up the checkbook and buy out the Palestinians. This is just a land dispute and culture clash very much like what existed between the American colonists and the Indians. When the American colonists were sticking to principle, they BOUGHT the land from the Indians who then moved away peacefully. When we decided it was easier to kill them, the result was war.

So instead of trying to murder everyone, Israel, be a mensch and pay for what you stole. Problem solved. Thank you. I am available for personal consultations and life coaching.

[AuH20]

The Middle East is not my problem. BUT if Israel REALLY wanted peace there is a way. Buy the land. Open up the checkbook and buy out the Palestinians. This is just a land dispute and culture clash very much like what existed between the American colonists and the Indians. When the American colonists were sticking to principle, they BOUGHT the land from the Indians who then moved away peacefully. When we decided it was easier to kill them, the result was war.

So instead of trying to murder everyone, Israel, be a mensch and pay for what you stole. Problem solved. Thank you. I am available for personal consultations and life coaching.

I think that's what they did leading up to 1947. They bought up the surrounding land, parcel by parcel, until the UN Declaration.

[otherone]

Thank you. I am available for personal consultations and life coaching.

ooh ooh...me next!
it hurts when I pee.

[enhanced_deficit]

The Palestinians have been losing this war for close to 70 years. At this point it's looking extremely unlikely they are going to get their land back.

...


Below news reminded me of this argument.
Palestinians might have been in ghetto for 70 years but they have a very good chance of ending oppression looking at world trends and history of other recent ghettos before Gaza open air prison came along.

This Day in Jewish History / The Jews of Tuscany enter the ghetto, for 277 years

By David B. Green | 17:48 31.07.14

Beginning on this day, July 31, 1571, the Jews of Tuscany were restricted to residing within a ghetto, and were to stay there for 277 years. Their confinement persisted until the abolishment of the ghetto in 1848.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/this-day-in-jewish-history/.premium-1.608058

[pcosmar]

I think that's what they did leading up to 1947. They bought up the surrounding land, parcel by parcel, until the UN Declaration.

Actually,, They were involved in violent intimidation and land theft since their existence.

The vast majority of Jews in Palestine opposed the very concept of Zionism right up to the creation of the Zionist state.
As did others who had lived there in peace with their neighbors prior to the Zionist invasion.

They had been trouble long before the terrorism of the 30s and 40s.

[enhanced_deficit]

SWC droneking got duped by Netanyahu war plot machine or was willing dupee or an intimdated puppet obeyig orders from puppet masters?

The excuse that was used by Israel to launch massacre in Gaza also turned out to be fake.. as seems to be the claim about revenge
killing/injuring over 300 palestinians after "suspecting" that an invading soldier was captured.

Who broke the ceasefire? Obama blames Hamas against the evidence

Alex Kane on August 1, 2014
In a bid to legitimize Israel’s violence in Gaza, Washington continues a disturbing pattern of baselessly blaming Hamas
A beleaguered-looking President Barack Obama appeared before the Washington press corps on August 1 to lash into Hamas for supposedly violating the 72-hour humanitarian ceasefire that his Secretary of State John Kerry and the United Nations had labored so tirelessly to secure. “I have unequivocally condemned Hamas and the Palestinian factions that were responsible for killing two Israeli soldiers and abducting a third minutes after a ceasefire was announced,” Obama said. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/01/obama-israel_n_5642213.html)

But evidence supporting Obama’s claim of Hamas responsibility has been difficult to come by. Indeed, even the Israeli Army news desk was unable to provide Mondoweiss with a clear narrative or substantial evidence regarding the incident in question. Moreover, accounts published in Arabic by Hamas’s military wing along with details provided by the PLO indicate that the killing of two Israeli soldiers and disappearance of another actually occurred before the ceasefire went into effect — when Israel was assaulting Rafah.
“Today at 9:30, terrorists executed an attack from which two soldiers were killed and an additional is now missing and therefore he is suspected to have been abducted,” an Israeli army spokesperson told Mondoweiss. The army spokesperson went on to state that Hamas and the army “exchanged shelling,” yet they were unable to provide details on the source of the Palestinian fire. “They used several forms of fire simultaneously,” was all the spokesperson could divulge.
“I cannot confirm at the moment as we are still looking into it, but it may have been live bullets and a suicide belt,” which killed the soldiers, the army spokesperson said.

When asked why the army did not have a solid account of the events that broke the promised 72-hour ceasefire, the army spokesperson maintained, “There were terrorists and they attacked the soldiers, two soldiers didn’t just drop dead.”
Tweets from Gaza contradict official US-Israeli claims
The PLO and Palestinian Authority both insisted to Mondoweiss that Hamas fighters engaged Israeli soldiers inside Gaza well before the ceasefire took effect – and during an Israeli assault on Rafah leading up to the 8 AM ceasefire.

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/ceasefire-against-evidence.html



Obama Calls For Unconditional Release Of Captured Israeli Soldier

The Huffington Post | By Paige Lavender

08/01/2014 3:05 pm EDT


President Barack Obama took questions during a briefing at the White House on Friday, where he addressed the situation in Israel.

Obama reiterated his support for Israel's right to defend itself and condemned Hamas and Palestinian militants after a cease-fire in the Gaza conflict unraveled (http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/01/world/meast/mideast-crisis/) on Friday. He also called for the release of an Israeli soldier (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/02/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-conflict.html) being held captive.
"I think it's important to note that we have, and I have, unequivocally condemned Hamas and the Palestinian factions that were responsible for killing two Israeli soldiers and abducting a third almost minutes after a cease-fire had been announced," Obama said, noting the U.N. has condemned them, as well.

"I want to make sure that they are listening. If they are serious about trying to resolve this situation, that solider needs to be unconditionally released as soon as possible," Obama continued.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/01/obama-israel_n_5642213.html




IDF declares Hadar Goldin, previously considered captured in Gaza, was killed

By Haaretz (http://www.haaretz.com/misc/writers/haaretz-1.367584) | Aug. 3, 2014
A statement issued by the IDF Spokesperson's Unit said that a special panel led by IDF Chief Rabbi Brig. Gen. Rafi Peretz arrived to the conclusion, based on evidence found at the scene of the attack. It added that prior to the decision, religious, medical and other relevant issues were taken under consideration.
The IDF said that the soldier's family was notified of the decision by the Head of the IDF Personnel Directorate Maj. Gen. Orna Barbivai and the Chief Military Rabbi, Brig. Gen. Rafi Peretz. (Gili Cohen)

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.608426




Cease-fire breaks down: Israeli shelling kills 50 after reported capture of soldier

Alex Kane on August 1, 2014


The Israeli army firing shells at Gaza. (Photo: Jack Guez/AFP/Getty Images)

The cease-fire that was supposed to go into effect this morning in Gaza has completely broken down. There are conflicting reports as to who was the first who broke it: Israel or Palestinian militants, who are said to have captured a soldier. The U.S. and Israel are blaming Hamas, though the militant group pointed the finger at Israel.

Whatever the case, the assault on Gaza is now escalating after an Israeli soldier was reportedly captured by militants who, in a suicide attack, ambushed a group of soldiers who were trying to destroy a tunnel in Rafah, the border town near Egypt. Two soldiers were killed in addition to the alleged capture. After the reported capture, Israeli forces heavily shelled Rafah, killing at least 50 people and injuring 220, the Gaza Health Ministry told Reuters. (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/01/us-mideast-gaza-idUSKBN0G008720140801) The overall death toll is now over 1,500 people. Israeli forces are now trying to locate the soldier.



http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/israeli-shelling-reported.html

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Christie pushing the envelope and breaking new grounds:

Christie Trip to Mexico Highlights Latin America as ‘New Israel’ For Presidential Contenders September 3, 2014 Photo/AP


http://jpupdates.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/GOP-2016-Christie-Mex_frie-125x125.jpg (http://jpupdates.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/GOP-2016-Christie-Mex_frie.jpg)Photo/AP

In a sign of its rising geopolitical importance, Latin America is beginning to usurp the Middle East as a required port of call for presidential hopefuls seeking to demonstrate their foreign policy expertise, particularly for Republicans likely to be considering a run for the presidency in 2016. The raft of undeclared candidates are pondering the best ways to build political goodwill with Latinos who – at 17.1 percent of the United States population and growing — are increasingly crucial to winning elections.

GOP figures with an eye on the White House, reports Bloomberg News, need to separate themselves from accelerating anti-immigration rhetoric by fellow party members in Congress while maintaining an ability to win the nomination from their activist base. In the newest embodiment of this trend, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie is embarking today on a state trade mission to Mexico. “A trip to Latin America is becoming just as much of a requirement for candidates as a trip to Israel has been,” remarked Dan Schnur, director of the Jesse M. Unruh Institute of Politics at the University of Southern California and a former Republican political consultant. Christie’s only other overseas trip as governor was to Israel in 2012.

“For a lot of us in the business community, especially the Mexican-American business community, this is a long time coming,” stated Hector Barreto, chairman of The Latino Coalition, a nonpartisan advocacy group organized by Hispanic business owners, which helped Christie with the specifics of his Mexico itinerary.
Barreto’s late father – a founder of the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce – presciently identified decades ago the Jewish community’s political activism as a model for Hispanics. “He used to say the Jewish community is doing something very important for Israel, and we can play a similar role for our native countries in Latin America,” Baretto recalls.

The number of Latino voters is projected to increase sharply over the next couple of decades, with eligible voters growing by 40 percent by 2030, to 40 million from 23 million, according to the Pew Research Center. That pace greatly surpasses the the growth of white, black and Asian eligible voters.
Republicans with no real legislative record are traveling south to fashion positive images and talking points. Kentucky Senator Rand Paul – who is also an eye surgeon – went to Guatemala in August with a pro-bono medical team that performed operations to restore the sight of poverty-stricken patients. Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker has been asking Mexico to open a consulate in his home state. Florida Senator Marco Rubio met earlier this summer with leaders of three South American countries to discuss the dangers of unaccompanied child immigration, while Texas Governor Rick Perry sent the National Guard to the southern border to try and prevent illegal crossings by many of those children.

http://jpupdates.com/2014/09/03/christie-trip-mexico-highlights-latin-america-new-israel-presidential-contenders/

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Will Christie eat his words now?

Obama Taps Ashton Carter, Who Helped Israel Procure F-35 Jets, as Next Defense Chief (http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/12/05/obama-taps-ashton-carter-who-helped-israel-procure-f-35-jets-as-next-defense-chief/)

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Now Christie sees "national disgrace" :

What the Key Players Are Saying About Netanyahu’s Speech to Congress

The GOP's 2016 Hopefuls
Republican politicians hopeful about their presidential chances have been far more vocal about the Netanyahu speech. Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush has tweeted about his excitement for the speech, and Netanyahu has tweeted thanks to Bush for recent comments he made defending the Prime Minister. Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker wrote an op-ed in National Review arguing that "President Obama and some Democrats have chosen to use this visit as a political football. This is exactly what Americans dislike about Washington." New Jersey Governor Chris Christie called the White House's treatment of the speech a “national disgrace.”

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/03/what-key-players-say-about-netanyahus-speech.html

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James Woods on Obama: He’s the ‘gift from hell’

The Washington Times Thursday, September 12, 2013



http://media.washtimes.com/media/image/2013/09/04/9_4_2013_ap1202290336308201_s160x116.jpg?6245d4b98 1be5c0dbf526a2ddfd2c5ef89877976 (http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/image/9_4_2013_ap1202290336308201jpg/)


Mr. Woods unleashed his views of the matter — and of Mr. Obama's role in allowing the practice to occur — on Twitter.
He wrote: "Report: Data on Americans shared with Israel ... Obama: the gift from hell that keeps on giving."
This is hardly the first unfavorable rating Mr. Woods has posted on his Twitter account about Mr. Obama. In July, the actor ranted over Mr. Obama's insertion of his personal opinion into the George Zimmerman-Trayvon Martin trial, characterizing it as fueling racial tensions and wondering why the president would speak his mind about the death of the 17-year-old Trayvon but not worry so much about American's soldiers and wounded warriors.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/12/james-woods-obama-hes-gift-hell/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/12/james-woods-obama-hes-gift-hell/#ixzz2fkNuLAHx)



Does Christie support Obama on this?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gEW6LRvb4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gEW6LRvb4k

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Does Christie support Obama on this?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gEW6LRvb4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gEW6LRvb4k

If Chris Christie is our president he will be our 1st fat president of the USSA!

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If Chris Christie is our president he will be our 1st fat president of the USSA!

That is not very politically correct.
Besides, everything is relative.

http://ivn.us/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/chris-christie-and-obama-put-politics-aside-in-wake-of-disaster-82479.jpg

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If Chris Christie is our president he will be our 1st fat president of the USSA!

There's been several fatties. Taft comes to mind.

Christy would be the first Monsanto fat prez though.