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AuH20
07-14-2014, 10:42 AM
What a waste of M1A1 Abrams.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/07/islamic_state_routs.php#


Fighters from the newly established Islamic State ambushed and destroyed an Iraqi armored column in the western province of Anbar. Islamic State fighters also captured several American-made armored personnel carriers. The ambush highlights the deteriorating state of the Iraqi security forces.

The Islamic State's Anbar Wilayat (division or province) released a series of photographs on its Twitter account on July 10 that document the ambush of an Iraqi armored column and the aftermath of the attack [photographs below].

According to the statements from the Anbar Wilayat, the Iraqi Army convoy was attacked in the Khalidiyah area in Anbar province. Although the exact date of the ambush was not provided, the Anbar Wilayat typically publishes photographs of attacks within days of carrying them out.

Several photos show Islamic State fighters opening fire on the convoy as it drives on a dirt road in a rural area of Khalidiyah. The Islamic State fighters appear to detonate one or more IEDs, or roadside bombs, on the armored column that includes US made and donated M1A1 Abrams main battle tanks and M113 armored personnel carriers. At least three M1A1s and nine M113s can be identified in the photographs.

At least one tank and two M113s are shown while on fire. One of the Abrams tanks appears to be half buried in a ditch.

The Iraqi soldiers appear to have abandoned the convoy after it was ambushed. The Islamic State only displayed one body of an Iraqi soldier, who appears to have been burned.


http://www.longwarjournal.org/assets_c/2014/07/IS-Anbar-Armor-ambush4-thumb-560x356-3388.jpg

enhanced_deficit
07-14-2014, 01:18 PM
No need to panic ; Former CIA deputy station chief discusses ISIS with Iraqi Sunni leaders


(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?454707-No-need-to-panic-Former-CIA-deputy-station-chief-discusses-ISIS-with-Iraqi-Sunni-leaders&)Related

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Isis is a bigger threat than Al Qaeda, reveals double agent
(http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/486399/Al-Qaeda-Isis-Double-Agent-9-11-Attack-Terrorist-Fighters-Sunni-Muslim-Syria)
A FORMER jihadi who became an MI5 agent yesterday warned that Sunni Muslim extremists storming Iraq are a bigger threat to Britain than Al Qaeda.
(http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/486399/Al-Qaeda-Isis-Double-Agent-9-11-Attack-Terrorist-Fighters-Sunni-Muslim-Syria)
Published: Thu, July 3, 2014
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Constitutional Paulicy
07-14-2014, 01:49 PM
What a waste of M1A1 Abrams.

No sweat just sell them another one. That's one of the primary reasons were in this.

alucard13mm
07-14-2014, 01:56 PM
How nice of the iraqi to abandon the remaining vehicles so isis can be stronger. I would imagine the iraqi be trained to destroy hardware so enemy wont be able to use it.

pcosmar
07-14-2014, 02:04 PM
What a waste of M1A1 Abrams.



So,,
Did we do a piss poor job of training Iraqi Security Forces? or a good job of training ISIS?

Or are things going according to the plan (that we have not been informed of)?

enhanced_deficit
07-14-2014, 02:07 PM
So,,
Did we do a piss poor job of training Iraqi Security Forces? or a good job of training ISIS?

Or are things going according to the plan (that we have not been informed of)?

This line of questioning is quite inappropriate.

Acala
07-14-2014, 02:15 PM
Or are things going according to the plan (that we have not been informed of)?

Things are going according to plan and we know what the plan is - enhance the profits of the well-connected at the expense of the lives, fortunes, and liberty of everyone else. Pit one faction of brainwashed idiots against another faction of brainwashed idiots and let them kill each other as a distraction from the global pillaging.

AuH20
07-14-2014, 02:16 PM
So,,
Did we do a piss poor job of training Iraqi Security Forces? or a good job of training ISIS?

Or are things going according to the plan (that we have not been informed of)?

The CIA had more to work with it and remember that many of these ISIS fighters are battle hardened from the Syrian conflict. These Iraqis are worthless in the field of battle. How are they getting beaten so badly with M1A1s and M113 APCs?

pcosmar
07-14-2014, 02:24 PM
How are they getting beaten so badly with M1A1s and M113 APCs?

Might be the TOW missiles we gave them.
Might be the Commanders in the field. And it might be Morale.

I think it is exactly according to plan. but that is my opinion and I have no concrete proof to back that.
Just observation.

jmdrake
07-14-2014, 02:41 PM
All of a sudden our two time victory over the Iraqi army just doesn't seem so impressive......

jmdrake
07-14-2014, 02:44 PM
Once upon a time talking about the CIA or MI5 training radical Islamist terrorists was "conspiracy theory." Now it's a passing footnote. Okay, I want all of the "debunkers" and official story apologists who love to call the rest of us "crazy" to tell me if you really think that this kind of collusion between western intelligence agencies and terrorists just started recently.




No need to panic ; Former CIA deputy station chief discusses ISIS with Iraqi Sunni leaders


(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?454707-No-need-to-panic-Former-CIA-deputy-station-chief-discusses-ISIS-with-Iraqi-Sunni-leaders&)Related

(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?454678-What-do-drone-puppet-masters-gain-from-civil-wars-destabilization-in-Syria-Libya-Iraq&)Will Neocons-Al Qaeda alliance end well? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?427051-Will-Neocons-Al-Qaeda-alliance-end-well&)

BOMBSHELL: ISIS leader was US prisoner. Obama released him (http://topconservativenews.com/2014/06/bombshell-isis-leader-was-us-prisoner-obama-released-him/)


Pop quiz:


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Isis is a bigger threat than Al Qaeda, reveals double agent
(http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/486399/Al-Qaeda-Isis-Double-Agent-9-11-Attack-Terrorist-Fighters-Sunni-Muslim-Syria)
A FORMER jihadi who became an MI5 agent yesterday warned that Sunni Muslim extremists storming Iraq are a bigger threat to Britain than Al Qaeda.
(http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/486399/Al-Qaeda-Isis-Double-Agent-9-11-Attack-Terrorist-Fighters-Sunni-Muslim-Syria)
Published: Thu, July 3, 2014
(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?454707-No-need-to-panic-Former-CIA-deputy-station-chief-discusses-ISIS-with-Iraqi-Sunni-leaders&)


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thoughtomator
07-14-2014, 02:54 PM
These Iraqis are worthless in the field of battle. How are they getting beaten so badly with M1A1s and M113 APCs?

The Islamic battle doctrine is centered around resolution. A jihadi with an AK-47 and the will to use it is worth more on a battlefield than a tank squad that doesn't have the guts to fight.

Anyone who has been listening has known this for over a decade... the reason we have not won the "War on Terror" - and can't - is that we simply don't have the will to fight ruthlessly enough to win.

Tactics for jihadis to weaponize human populations and count on the West's modern distaste for genocide to prevent effective counter-action. Since the West can't commit the kind of heavy presence necessary to keep order everywhere at once, they stay fluid and move the battlefield to where those weapons aren't.

But the jihadi cause can keep advancing in an area even when there's no combat. These people are offering poor, oppressed peoples the chance to be part of a historic fulfillment of their shared religion's beliefs. They can point to the miracle of the Islamic battle doctrine evening the odds even against mighty America - and the world can see that Pax Americana, and perhaps the US itself - the world's #1 power for a human lifetime - is falling. They can make a pretty good case right now.