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Anti Federalist
07-14-2014, 12:18 AM
It's called "The Compliance Shuffle".




We're queuing meekly in security, clutching a one-way ticket to disaster...

By: Peter Hitchens
12 July 2014

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2690144/PETER-HITCHENS-We-queuing-meekly-security-clutching-one-way-ticket-disaster.html#ixzz37Q9lHUTb

We have become a nation of suspects.

The last wisps of British liberty are being stripped away and, as usual, this is happening with the keen support of millions.

First we have a scandal, entirely without hard evidence so far, which supposedly affects the whole of Parliament.

Scandals of this kind – vague, general and fed by rumour – are a feature of societies on the eve of regime change.

They discredit ancient institutions and make troublemakers look virtuous. The charge of child sex abuse is so horrible that anyone who is accused of it is automatically presumed guilty and shunned by all, so it is more or less unstoppable once it has been launched.

Then there are the comical new ordeals travellers must face if they are foolish enough to want to go anywhere by plane.

At least they would be comical if we were allowed to laugh at them, but even to joke about ‘security’ in the hearing of some grim-jawed official is to risk detention and a flight ban.

There’s an odd thing about this. We are constantly told that our vast, sour-faced and costly ‘security’ services, and various ‘British FBIs’ and ‘British KGBs’ are fully on top of the terror threat, and ceaselessly halting plots.

How is it then that they claim not to know if harmless aunties from Cleethorpes or Worthing are planning to manufacture an airborne bomb with the ingredients of a make-up bag?

Just in case such a person is a jihadi sleeper agent, she, and thousands of other innocents, must be treated as criminal suspects.

Like newly registered convicts, they must stand in humble queues, meek before arbitrary power.

They must remove clothing, allow strangers to peer at their nakedness in scanning machines, permit inspections of their private possessions and answer stupid questions with a straight face.

They must be compelled to accept this treatment without protest or complaint.

In fact, when we enter an airport these days, we enter a prototype totalitarian state, a glimpse of how it will eventually be everywhere if we do not find a way of resisting this horrible change.

This week Parliament will be panicked into passing measures allowing the State to know more than it ought to about our emails. It will not stop there.

It is not true that if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

The State – which last week said it had ‘lost’ crucial records about its involvement in the totalitarian practice of extraordinary rendition – makes horrible mistakes all the time.

If one of these happens to you, you will be whisked into a world of powerless terror.

It was to protect against these things that our forebears fought like tigers against arbitrary power, for the presumption of innocence, for independent juries, and for Habeas Corpus.

It is why they tried to ensure that our police forces never got too big for their boots.

They had seen what happened on the European continent where such safeguards were neglected. They wanted a state that was beneath our feet, not over our heads.

Now, piece by piece, we are losing that. Each piece is so small that most won’t believe it matters, but they slowly pile up into a tremendous threat.

It may be possible to defend our freedom, and even regain it, but not if we allow ourselves to be manipulated by scandal and state-sponsored fear.

DamianTV
07-14-2014, 01:19 AM
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In fact, when we enter an airport these days, we enter a prototype totalitarian state, a glimpse of how it will eventually be everywhere if we do not find a way of resisting this horrible change.

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That pretty much says it all right there.

Oh, and inb4 the asshat who likes to rate AF's threads 1 star.

Suzanimal
07-14-2014, 06:05 AM
It may be possible to defend our freedom, and even regain it, but not if we allow ourselves to be manipulated by scandal and state-sponsored fear.

Not to sound too pessimistic but I think we're at the point that we'll never regain too much of our lost freedom. We may be able to slow down the erosion or our rights but how many shitty laws ever truly go away? :(





That pretty much says it all right there.

Oh, and inb4 the asshat who likes to rate AF's threads 1 star.

Yeah, I noticed that too...WTH?

Anti Federalist
07-14-2014, 10:29 AM
Yeah, I noticed that too...WTH?

You and I both...I have no idea.

tod evans
07-14-2014, 10:37 AM
Not to sound too pessimistic but I think we're at the point that we'll never regain too much of our lost freedom. We may be able to slow down the erosion or our rights but how many shitty laws ever truly go away? :(



I think we're past the point of trying to fix their laws.

Past the point of arguing in their courts.

Freedom is taken not given.....

They have been taking it away if we want it, it must be taken back.

thoughtomator
07-14-2014, 10:39 AM
Not to sound too pessimistic but I think we're at the point that we'll never regain too much of our lost freedom. We may be able to slow down the erosion or our rights but how many shitty laws ever truly go away? :(

You might be surprised. When the threat of tyranny is no longer hypothetical, people do take notice.

Suzanimal
07-14-2014, 12:47 PM
You and I both...I have no idea.

OoOoOoOo...Somebody's got a crush on you.:p

That's how boys act when they secretly "like" you.;)

Suzanimal
07-14-2014, 12:49 PM
You might be surprised. When the threat of tyranny is no longer hypothetical, people do take notice.

Yeah, but it better happen fast or I'm afraid it's gonna get real ugly. I don't want that to happen.:(

Anti Federalist
07-14-2014, 12:50 PM
OoOoOoOo...Somebody's got a crush on you.:p

That's how boys act when they secretly "like" you.;)

So, yer saying someone has a man-crush on me?

Run Awaayyyyy!!!!

Pericles
07-14-2014, 02:16 PM
I have long suspected this.

heavenlyboy34
07-14-2014, 02:49 PM
So, yer saying someone has a man-crush on me?

Run Awaayyyyy!!!!
Well, danke's man-crush on you has been more than a little obvious for a good while now, but I don't think he's the type to 1 star ye.

Brian4Liberty
07-14-2014, 03:15 PM
In regard to the title of this thread, the following video is very interesting...

Start at about 2:50, and at 5:19, there is a good analogy for Police bias.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD_rThwybfs

Taken from this thread:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?455362-From-Frankenstein-to-superbrain-in-211-yrs-or-better-living-through-electrodes!

ZENemy
07-14-2014, 03:16 PM
"Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces."

echo1
07-14-2014, 04:41 PM
Everything said in the thread is true.

Violence is not the answer.

We have two non-violent solutions.

1. A nationwide consumer strike.

2. Regaining control of our local governments

tod evans
07-14-2014, 04:50 PM
The only way I know to regain control of government is to hold its employees accountable...

Government employees must not be permitted to hide behind anonymity or qualified immunity...

Taking control of our courts is imperative, they have ruled them too long.

DamianTV
07-14-2014, 04:57 PM
(might need to split this thread to ask Bryan...)

In regards to Thread Star Ratings, are there any Forum Limitations, such as having at least 100 posts to rate a thread? Or the ability to tell who is giving said ratings? There should be as each forum member can only rate a Thread once, but finding that data could be heavily buried.

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Privacy is NOT about "Protection from a Greater Threat". Privacy is about Self Determination, Self Growth, Three Felonies Per Day, and "If you cant say anything nice...". Privacy is about Preventing Conflict.

Terrorists could really give two squirts of piss less as to what the average American does. The NSA does because it enables them to validate their existence. The Prison Industrial Complex does because Three Felonies Per Day, imprisonment at your expense, is about PROFITS. The Govt in general does because it enables Control. Advertisers also care about your Privacy, again, because it is PROFITABLE, but more importantly, it enables PROPOGANDA to be much more effective.

The Powers That Be do NOT want you to think for yourself. They do not want you to decide to not buy their products. They do not want you to abide by every single law, in fact, they benefit more when you break their laws. They do not want you to grow as you see fit. They do not want you to compete. They DO want to harvest you, for everything that you are worth. And when you have been used up, they will still find a way to make you profitable by Warehousing you. Data is exchanged between the various organizations, both Govt and Corporate as a means to turn the Human Being into Cattle.

Human Livestock Management Practices.

tod evans
07-14-2014, 05:03 PM
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Privacy is NOT about "Protection from a Greater Threat". Privacy is about Self Determination, Self Growth, Three Felonies Per Day, and "If you cant say anything nice...". Privacy is about Preventing Conflict.



Privacy is for citizens NOT public employees.

When a man decides to work for the public he must be accountable to said public and that entails giving up his privacy...

DamianTV
07-14-2014, 05:45 PM
Privacy is for citizens NOT public employees.

When a man decides to work for the public he must be accountable to said public and that entails giving up his privacy...

Yet, there are Secret Courts to decide the fate of Citizens at the expense of every Citizen being monitored completely throughout their lives?

Citizen Transparency, Govt Opaquity.

Warrior_of_Freedom
07-15-2014, 08:53 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZymJAsxHbVg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSgqIR5H0TY