What kind of country is Obama transforming America into by immigration: Guatemala, Syria, Iraq

[johnwk]

If you don’t think the ongoing invasion of our southern border is not part of Obama’s bigger plan to fundamentally transform America, then study the following articles and then ask yourself what kind of nation is Obama importing into America?

OUTRAGE: Obama Seeks to Bring 30,000 Syrian Muslim “Refugees” to US, Waive Counterterrorism Laws (http://www.debbieschlussel.com/68629/outrage-obama-seeks-to-bring-30000-syrian-muslim-refugees-to-us-waive-counterterrorism-laws/)
January 14, 2014, - 2:04 pm
”Remember when Barack Obama told a French TV Channel that the U.S. is a “Muslim nation”? Well, he’s working hard to improve the demography to make it so. The Obama Administration is seeking to bring 30,000 “vulnerable” Syrian refugees to the United States by the end of 2014 and will waive counterterrorism laws and allow those Syrians who aided and abetted Islamic terrorists, including Al-Qaeda, into the country. And these “vulnerable” Hezbollah- and Al-Qaeda-supporting Syrians will be permanently resettled here, as in green card, citizenship, billions in entitlements, and the whole tisa [Arabic for "nine"] yards.”

ABC News Uncovers Obama Admin Has Flooded America With Islamic Terrorists Disguised As Iraqi Refugees (http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/2013/11/abc-news-uncovers-obama-admin-has-flooded-america-with-islamic-terrorists-disguised-as-iraqi-refugees-2447864.html)

Wednesday, November 20, 2013 7:54

”On August 8, 2013 NTEB News warned you of the plan by the Obama Administration to sneak into the country scores of highly-trained Muslim terrorists disguised as refugees from war-torn Iraq and Syria. Today, ABC News confirms that this has happened exactly as we warned you it would.

ABC News: Several dozen suspected terrorist bombmakers, including some believed to have targeted American troops, may have mistakenly been allowed to move to the United States as war refugees, according to FBI agents investigating the remnants of roadside bombs recovered from Iraq and Afghanistan.”

JWK



Impeach Obama and stop his fundamental transformation of America by executive orders!

[pcosmar]

IT Ain't Obama

This is the same shit I have seen since the 80s..

Reagan and Bush both passed Amnesty for illegals,,, (after growing the Police State)

Same shit,, different administration.

[Carson]

IT Ain't Obama

This is the same shit I have seen since the 80s..

Reagan and Bush both passed Amnesty for illegals,,, (after growing the Police State)

Same shit,, different administration.

So true and chances of ever being allowed to elect anyone that won't take us in the direction of socialism and more globalization are slim at best. They have had the ability to print up what ever amount of currency it takes to get their way for decades.

[FindLiberty]

TRANSFORMER - 100 year plan (not just recent POTUS's plans):

to make "us" beg for more police and aggressive authority
on our streets "needed" to keep "us" safe? (full gov control.)

to transition 'merika to 2nd or 3rd world country status
in order to help all other countries level off as the world
is transitioned into a singe monetary system and one
world government? (a NWO to replace the old one.)

to prop up the decline in USA's replacement/birth rate?
(replenishes America's weakening taxpayer/slave base
as required so the Ponzi schemes can continue a little
bit longer.)

+++

I'd like to think it's done to share our wealth and the
vast opportunities that America's Freedom and Liberty
can offer everyone... "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" (eh?)

[Ronin Truth]

The drive to create the NAU continues despite massive opposition from the American people. The puppetmaster just carries more weight.

[ctiger2]

Obama's just a puppet doing as he's told.

[johnwk]

Everyone is focusing on "the kids" while tens of thousands of Muslim adults have been let into the country with tens of thousands more to come!

Obama Considers Resettling Tens of Thousands Syrian Refugees in the US (http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/obama-considers-resettling-tens-of-thousands-syrian-refugees-in-the-us/)

”Two years into a civil war that shows no signs of ending, the Obama administration is considering resettling refugees who have fled Syria, part of an international effort that could bring thousands of Syrians to American cities and towns.

A resettlement plan under discussion in Washington and other capitals is aimed at relieving pressure on Middle Eastern countries straining to support 1.6 million refugees, as well as assisting hard-hit Syrian families.

The State Department is “ready to consider the idea,” an official from the department said, if the administration receives a formal request from the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Refugees, which is the usual procedure.”



Obama is importing his Civilian Security Force into America who will be there to enforce his fundamental transformation of America.


Have patriotic Americans forgotten Obama’s VERY OWN WORDS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s) about his civilian national security force?

JWK

Is America on the verge of being defeated without a shot being fired?

[jurgs01]

Don't let the distraction occur. Immigration is not bad itself. The problem is the welfare state.

[DamianTV]

Don't let the distraction occur. Immigration is not bad itself. The problem is the welfare state.

^^^ THAT

[LibertyEagle]

Don't let the distraction occur. Immigration is not bad itself. The problem is the welfare state.

The massive amount we are having right now, yes, yes, it is. People cannot be assimilated that fast. Especially when the existing Americans don't know their ass from a hole in the ground, much less understand the principles upon which this country was founded.

[tod evans]

I'm cool with these "immigrants" with one condition;

For every immigrant brought in one current federal employee is excommunicated and one federal pensioner is stripped of his citizenship and his pension...

A 2 for 1 deal that probably wouldn't negatively affect Joe Citizen..

[Origanalist]

I'm cool with these "immigrants" with one condition;

For every immigrant brought in one current federal employee is excommunicated and one federal pensioner is stripped of his citizenship and his pension...

A 2 for 1 deal that probably wouldn't negatively affect Joe Citizen..

Not going to happen, it's a nice thought though.

[tod evans]

Not going to happen, it's a nice thought though.

Currently they're calling for more government employees to provide "services" for these folks....

Since the country is broke and borrowing money it only makes sense to trim the feds budget in order to address this latest "emergency"....

[Tywysog Cymru]

The massive amount we are having right now, yes, yes, it is. People cannot be assimilated that fast. Especially when the existing Americans don't know their ass from a hole in the ground, much less understand the principles upon which this country was founded.

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[LibertyEagle]

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[Zippyjuan]

IT Ain't Obama

This is the same shit I have seen since the 80s..

Reagan and Bush both passed Amnesty for illegals,,, (after growing the Police State)

Same shit,, different administration.

Bush signed the law (passed unanimously by Congress) which prohibits the immediate deportation of the kids from Guatemala and Central America (the can send back the ones from Mexico right away). It requires they be let in and taken care of until their status can be taken up by the courts. More are coming even though it is extremely dangerous because they know they won't be sent home.

[James Madison]

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Except the Irish spoke the same language and came from a country that wasn't a completely failed state.

[johnwk]

This is saddening to say the least. The vultures are about to attack and finish consuming America's remaining wealth and we have nitwit postings in response.

JWK



At the close of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia on September 18, 1787, a Mrs. Powel anxiously awaited the results and as Benjamin Franklin emerged from the long task now finished asked him directly, `Well, Doctor, what have we got? A republic or a monarchy?' `A republic, if you can keep it,' responded Franklin.

[CPUd]

Boogity Boogity

[anaconda]

Obama's just a puppet doing as he's told.

Same as all presidents for at least a hundred years. At least up to the present...but...

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[kcchiefs6465]

This is saddening to say the least. The vultures are about to attack and finish consuming America's remaining wealth and we have nitwit postings in response.

JWK



At the close of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia on September 18, 1787, a Mrs. Powel anxiously awaited the results and as Benjamin Franklin emerged from the long task now finished asked him directly, `Well, Doctor, what have we got? A republic or a monarchy?' `A republic, if you can keep it,' responded Franklin.

You can embolden text til the sun sets, truth of the matter is that Constitutionally or otherwise, you could hardly hold water in a debate against the majority of the "anarchists" here.

At best you'd babble in circles hinting of progressive tyranny, ignoring the Constitution when it does not suit you and putting it on a pedestal when it does.

We've gone down this road before.

So unless your "nitwit" comment is in response to the multitude of people posting fallacious protectionist mantras, or the people who've bought into "We the People" nationalism, (as if any one of them could lawfully be named or held to account for what their "representatives" do [supposedly] in their name), I'd say the comment is quite misplaced.

[enhanced_deficit]

I dont speak for department of karma.. but Syria Freedom is not fully done yet and Iraq has Freedom now, what would be so terrible if US became like Iraq?


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March 24, 2003
Seventy-Two Percent of Americans Support War Against Iraq
(http://www.gallup.com/poll/8038/seventytwo-percent-americans-support-war-against-iraq.aspx)Bush approval up 13 points to 71% (http://www.gallup.com/poll/8038/seventytwo-percent-americans-support-war-against-iraq.aspx)

[tod evans]

This is saddening to say the least. The vultures are about to attack and finish consuming America's remaining wealth and we have nitwit postings in response.

JWK



So it's "nitwitty" to believe government is the problem instead of the solution?

Maybe instead of quoting ol' Ben you'd be smart to listen to Albert;


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Albert Einstein


Bolded and enhanced since that seems to matter.........

Relying on government and her agents to "fix-it" have gotten us to this point....

[LibertyEagle]

You can embolden text til the sun sets, truth of the matter is that Constitutionally or otherwise, you could hardly hold water in a debate against the majority of the "anarchists" here.

At best you'd babble in circles hinting of progressive tyranny, ignoring the Constitution when it does not suit you and putting it on a pedestal when it does.

We've gone down this road before.

So unless your "nitwit" comment is in response to the multitude of people posting fallacious protectionist mantras, or the people who've bought into "We the People" nationalism, (as if any one of them could lawfully be named or held to account for what their "representatives" do [supposedly] in their name), I'd say the comment is quite misplaced.

Yes, like Ron Paul, eh? Because he doesn't agree with the open borders bull. He understands that if we lose our national sovereignty, we are completely sunk. Call it whatever you want.

[DamianTV]

The average wait for these immigrant kids to even get a court date is THREE YEARS. Thats THREE YEARS of providing benefits and Govt services to them, at your expense.

Then, once they are made American (US citizens), they will do everything in their power to bring the rest of their family here as well. They'll send their money they get from here (either by paycheck or welfare) to their foreign relatives, enabling them to come here as well by any means possible. Oh, and if they happen to be working and not collecting welfare, they'll claim all those relatives back home as "Dependants" and pay less in taxes than any white guy here ever would. Not that Taxes are reasonable by any means, but I sure as shit cant claim 20 Dependants on any form of taxes I am coerced to pay. People would be suprised by how many immigrants dod this. Not all do, but far too many can do what you and I can not, simply because of how they file. Then you get companies where every single employee doesnt speak a lick of english. Think they will hire you or me? Think we could ever sue them for Discrimination? Have you ever had an Employer hang up after you are asked if you speak spanish and reply no? Does anyone think we wont be discriminated against in our own country? How many US classes are taught entirely in Spanish as not a single student can speak English? Again, not that Public Schools are anything to write home about, but seriously? Wont speak english? Big difference between Cant and Wont, and far too many wont because our system coddles those who do not for whatever reason. What kind of education will your kid get if they go to a school where the teacher teaches in Spanish and your kid doesnt speak spanish? Think they wont suffer as a result?

This has become a Bursting Dam. One small leak leads to a larger leak that grows exponentially in size. We are drowning in the flood of immigrants that are systematically displacing our population. Employers seem to prefer them because they'll work for a buck an hour as a buck an hour goes a long way in Central America, but is no where nearly enough for people that live here to survive on.

Being a White Male in America now seems to garner the same treatment as ever having been convicted of a serious crime. And this will not change until the Incentives change. There is no incentive to come to the US to become a US citizen, there is plenty of incentive to come to the US and remain an Illegal Immigrant as long as possible. Our system rewards their crimes, but punishes us when they do wrong by every form of punishment available. You and I dont qualify for Welfare, and as long as we continue to offer Welfare to anyone that breaks the law, we will continue to be invaded by those who have no intention of integrating, but surviving by displacing the current populus.

[LibertyEagle]

So it's "nitwitty" to believe government is the problem instead of the solution?

Maybe instead of quoting ol' Ben you'd be smart to listen to Albert;


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Albert Einstein


Bolded and enhanced since that seems to matter.........

Relying on government and her agents to "fix-it" have gotten us to this point....

Tod, where did he say that government was the answer to anything? How are our borders being overrun by illegal aliens somehow good for our country? You know as well as I do that the welfare state will drain every last dollar we have left.

[LibertyEagle]

Boogity Boogity

Perhaps you should come on down to Texas' border. It will boogity your butt right under the table.

[tod evans]

Tod, where did he say that government was the answer to anything? How are our borders being overrun by illegal aliens somehow good for our country? You know as well as I do that the welfare state will drain every last dollar we have left.

My initial response was "Lets trade government employees for immigrants" on a 2 for 1 basis...

Given that............The Nitwit comment about previous posters included my suggestion.

And you've got to admit that if we could actually trade 2 government employees for every immigrant as a nation we'd be ahead financially about $75k per immigrant...

Hell some of the immigrants even work which is more than I'm willing to say about governments employees.....


[edit]

My view of the "Welfare State" includes all current and past government employees and their dependants...

Per capita the government employees suck more tax-dollars than the immigrants..

I want to cut funding to all of 'em.....Right now!

[kcchiefs6465]

Yes, like Ron Paul, eh? Because he doesn't agree with the open borders bull. He understands that if we lose our national sovereignty, we are completely sunk. Call it whatever you want.
He also agreed with the money Obama is asking for.

Him speaking of the underlying ills of this brand of governance, which more people should be speaking about, makes up for it.

And as much as I've recently written about this, one wouldn't be wrong to assume this is top of my list or a pet peeve. It isn't. I honestly could hardly care. If they come, they come. I've met some good ones. Ones that would work me under the table. I enjoy the cuisine, the culture. But if they didn't come, I suppose I would simply settle for Cinco De Mayo and less authentic cuisine. This doesn't keep me up at night.

What keeps me up would be the armed goons running around, harassing people, shooting people, violating rights, etc. I see practically no difference between one who wishes to extort me for an Obama phone and the other who wishes to extort me for a socialized, militarized, immigration response.

I can tell by Ron Paul's tone and sincerity where he stands. He's spoken much on the [broader] issue and has even written a few books. I hardly respond to this sort of republican collaring, distracting nonsense until someone gets 'wise' and offers their petty insults. And truth be told, collectivism annoys me. The stench of it, probably.

You don't want to pay for immigrants? You shouldn't be forced to pay for immigrants. I don't want to pay for armed jackboots? I shouldn't be forced to pay for armed jackboots. And not simply that, but they have no right to stop, question, ask for identification, beat, torture, kill, whatsoever. If there's an actual crime, it is one thing... that's hardly ever what it is. Same as the immigrant would have no right to take your property.

Call it anarchy, chaos, et cetera. What would the Bible call taking something from someone?

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Tod, where did he say that government was the answer to anything? How are our borders being overrun by illegal aliens somehow good for our country? You know as well as I do that the welfare state will drain every last dollar we have left.

How are you going to pay for the resources necessary to "secure" the borders? Where will those resources come from? Who will be executing these policies?

Could it be....the government?

[DamianTV]

Again, Govt IS the source of the problem.

Welfare for anyone Illegal! C'mon down! Oh, lets spend shitloads of money to secure our borders cuz of this invasion!

This is catering to both sides. There can be no effective Border as long as Govt incentivizes illegal forms of immigration as opposed to legal immigration. However, if the incentive was to come here and work hard for little pay that people couldnt send back home, there would be an exodus, that that its a solution either.

So who is really at fault here? The Immigrants? I understand their situations truly suck and they want a better life, and Im sorry, but we just cant take 165 million immigrants all at once. Maybe the blame should really be placed squarely where it belongs: Govt Incentives which have made any sort of border meaningless.

[James Madison]

So who is really at fault here? The Immigrants? I understand their situations truly suck and they want a better life, and Im sorry, but we just cant take 165 million immigrants all at once. Maybe the blame should really be placed squarely where it belongs: Govt Incentives which have made any sort of border meaningless.

The immigrants bear some of the responsibility for letting their homes decay into Banana Republics. Rather than work within their government, they are choosing to plunder the riches of a dying superpower, dragging all of us down to their level in the process.

[James Madison]

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[Carson]

There is another side of illegal immigration we are way overdue on addressing.

I think the one real person you have control over is yourself. If one was to expand on that concept and bump it up to a national level then the people that should really concern us are ourselves. We have people from this country illegally invading other countries and when they get there they are blowing the shit out of people.

It should have been addressed years ago. If we don't solve the problem others will have to come and solve it for us.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b_gmO7AJS4

[Ender]

The immigrants bear some of the responsibility for letting their homes decay into Banana Republics. Rather than work within their government, they are choosing to plunder the riches of a dying superpower, dragging all of us down to their level in the process.

Pot/Kettle.

[James Madison]

Pot/Kettle.

You convinced me.

[alucard13mm]

It is genius on the democrats part. Bus illegals to different parts of usa. Dangle the prospect of amnesty if you vote for democrat. Get rid of voter id check cause its racist... gentlemen and ladies, we now have a demographic shift. I am more surprised they dont ship them to heavily conservative states more often. We now have people, who shouldnt be there, voting in the usa.

Republicans are retarded thinking they will get a chunk of those voters by going along.

I think people will only change and assimilate when pressured to. Why change if you live in a spanish speaking community and everything is in spanish anyways? Maybe that is why they are bussing them to different parts of usa.

Pro open borders will cause us to lose our overall liberties because we have people from other countries coming in with an interest in a larger government because they benefit from it. Dont forget about the north american union being implemented as well.

During world cup, when mexico was still in, you see mexicans in usa flying mexican flags everywhere... good to see where their loyalty lies, even if it is just a silly sports event that is not important to the world in general.

[PierzStyx]

Tod, where did he say that government was the answer to anything? How are our borders being overrun by illegal aliens somehow good for our country? You know as well as I do that the welfare state will drain every last dollar we have left.

From what I can tell Ron Paul wanted to secure the borders until we got rid of the Welfare State. He understood you couldn't dismantle the welfare system all at once, and continued immigration only strained it farther since most immigrants were low income workers. Even legal ones, especially legal ones, then stress the system beyond its limits. But once we had dismantled the welfare state, the borders don't need to be closed or "secured." Remember this was the guy arguing against
building a border fence and placing armed soldiers all along it. He also understood in a free market economy massive immigration is a huge BOON for the nation, the people, and the economy.

And how exactly are immigrants "ruining the country"? There what, taking your jobs? Well guess what, you don't have a right to any job or any wage. If someone else can do an equal or better job for lesser pay than you, then only an idiot would hire you. The only America immigrants are "ruining" is the self-righteous white America that only exists because they were originally immigrants who killed 90% of the people living here originally.

[Ender]

From what I can tell Ron Paul wanted to secure the borders until we got rid of the Welfare State. He understood you couldn't dismantle the welfare system all at once, and continued immigration only strained it farther since most immigrants were low income workers. Even legal ones, especially legal ones, then stress the system beyond its limits. But once we had dismantled the welfare state, the borders don't need to be closed or "secured." Remember this was the guy arguing against
building a border fence and placing armed soldiers all along it. He also understood in a free market economy massive immigration is a huge BOON for the nation, the people, and the economy.

And how exactly are immigrants "ruining the country"? There what, taking your jobs? Well guess what, you don't have a right to any job or any wage. If someone else can do an equal or better job for lesser pay than you, then only an idiot would hire you. The only America immigrants are "ruining" is the self-righteous white America that only exists because they were originally immigrants who killed 90% of the people living here originally.

That is EXACTLY my stance; we must be twins. ;)

[AuH20]

From what I can tell Ron Paul wanted to secure the borders until we got rid of the Welfare State. He understood you couldn't dismantle the welfare system all at once, and continued immigration only strained it farther since most immigrants were low income workers. Even legal ones, especially legal ones, then stress the system beyond its limits. But once we had dismantled the welfare state, the borders don't need to be closed or "secured." Remember this was the guy arguing against
building a border fence and placing armed soldiers all along it. He also understood in a free market economy massive immigration is a huge BOON for the nation, the people, and the economy.

And how exactly are immigrants "ruining the country"? There what, taking your jobs? Well guess what, you don't have a right to any job or any wage. If someone else can do an equal or better job for lesser pay than you, then only an idiot would hire you. The only America immigrants are "ruining" is the self-righteous white America that only exists because they were originally immigrants who killed 90% of the people living here originally.

Possession is 9/10ths of the law. The natives should have slaughtered the newcomers when the invasion transpired. But they didn't. Secondly, the myth of the noble savage was just that. Conquest was typical among indigenous tribes.

[Seraphim]

Obama is transforming the USA into England (well he is expediting a process that was already under way - but it's occuring more quickly now).

[Feeding the Abscess]

He also agreed with the money Obama is asking for.

Him speaking of the underlying ills of this brand of governance, which more people should be speaking about, makes up for it.

And as much as I've recently written about this, one wouldn't be wrong to assume this is top of my list or a pet peeve. It isn't. I honestly could hardly care. If they come, they come. I've met some good ones. Ones that would work me under the table. I enjoy the cuisine, the culture. But if they didn't come, I suppose I would simply settle for Cinco De Mayo and less authentic cuisine. This doesn't keep me up at night.

What keeps me up would be the armed goons running around, harassing people, shooting people, violating rights, etc. I see practically no difference between one who wishes to extort me for an Obama phone and the other who wishes to extort me for a socialized, militarized, immigration response.

I can tell by Ron Paul's tone and sincerity where he stands. He's spoken much on the [broader] issue and has even written a few books. I hardly respond to this sort of republican collaring, distracting nonsense until someone gets 'wise' and offers their petty insults. And truth be told, collectivism annoys me. The stench of it, probably.

You don't want to pay for immigrants? You shouldn't be forced to pay for immigrants. I don't want to pay for armed jackboots? I shouldn't be forced to pay for armed jackboots. And not simply that, but they have no right to stop, question, ask for identification, beat, torture, kill, whatsoever. If there's an actual crime, it is one thing... that's hardly ever what it is. Same as the immigrant would have no right to take your property.

Call it anarchy, chaos, et cetera. What would the Bible call taking something from someone?

Wait, Ron said the 3.7 billion was a good idea? Or otherwise agreed with it?

[Ender]

Possession is 9/10ths of the law. The natives should have slaughtered the newcomers when the invasion transpired. But they didn't. Secondly, the myth of the noble savage was just that. Conquest was typical among indigenous tribes.

So- that's why we celebrate Thanksgiving? Because the myth of the noble savage was just that?

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/01/cahokia/hodges-text/2


Cahokia was the apogee, and perhaps the origin, of what anthropologists call Mississippian culture—a collection of agricultural communities that reached across the American Midwest and Southeast starting before A.D. 1000 and peaking around the 13th century. The idea that American Indians could have built something resembling a city was so foreign to European settlers, that when they encountered the mounds of Cahokia—the largest of which is a ten-story earthen colossus composed of more than 22 million cubic feet of soil—they commonly thought they must have been the work of a foreign civilization: Phoenicians or Vikings or perhaps a lost tribe of Israel. Even now, the idea of an Indian city runs so contrary to American notions of Indian life that we can't seem to absorb it, and perhaps it's this cognitive dissonance that has led us to collectively ignore Cahokia's very existence. Have you ever heard of Cahokia? In casual conversation, I've found almost no one outside the St. Louis area who has.

Our ignorance has deep roots. The first person to write a detailed account of Cahokia's mounds was Henry Brackenridge, a lawyer and amateur historian who came upon the site and its massive central mound while exploring the surrounding prairie in 1811. "I was struck with a degree of astonishment, not unlike that which is experienced in contemplating the Egyptian pyramids," he wrote. "What a stupendous pile of earth! To heap up such a mass must have required years, and the labors of thousands." But newspaper accounts of his discovery were widely ignored. He complained of this in a letter to his friend former President Thomas Jefferson, and with friends in such high places, word of Cahokia did eventually get around. Unfortunately it was not word most Americans, including subsequent Presidents, were very interested in hearing. The United States was trying to get Indians out of the way, not appreciate their history. Andrew Jackson's Indian Removal Act of 1830, which ordered the relocation of eastern Indians to land west of the Mississippi, was premised on the idea that Indians were nomadic savages who couldn't make good use of land anyway. Evidence of an ancient Indian city—one that rivaled the size of Washington, D.C., at the time—would have mucked up the story line.

[Feeding the Abscess]

How are you going to pay for the resources necessary to "secure" the borders? Where will those resources come from? Who will be executing these policies?

Could it be....the government?

Government is evil and the problem.

The answer to the problem is government.

Freedom! Liberty! Founding principles!

[Carson]

Wait, Ron said the 3.7 billion was a good idea? Or otherwise agreed with it?

Maybe he thought it would go to strengthen the border.

I suspect it would end up going to expand his resort complex.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?455122-MAP-Where-feds-are-trying-to-relocate-illegal-border-surgers

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?455575-Ben-Swann-reads-us-the-fine-print-on-illegal-immigration

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?454511-Are-we-paying-to-bring-all-these-people-from-south-of-the-border

[kcchiefs6465]

Wait, Ron said the 3.7 billion was a good idea?
Well, he said it wasn't unreasonable for a president to ask for money to secure the border. He wants the militarism overseas cut and the money to come from there (he mentioned the Syria/Iraq border and defending ours).

Said it is the job of the federal government to secure the border, said they aren't letting the states do what they need to do, and mentioned that he would rather speak on the underlying issue of welfarism, the economy, etc. rather than immigration.

More or less, if the money were to come from cutting it from somewhere else, yes he would agree with it. Mentioned the border patrol perhaps needing a couple billion but that he does not want to increase the debt to do so.

http://www.ronpaulchannel.com/video/u-s-border-crisis-stems-unjust-laws-welfarism/

Here's the clip I am referring to.

[johnwk]

This is saddening to say the least. The vultures are about to attack and finish consuming America's remaining wealth and we have nitwit postings in response.

JWK



At the close of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia on September 18, 1787, a Mrs. Powel anxiously awaited the results and as Benjamin Franklin emerged from the long task now finished asked him directly, `Well, Doctor, what have we got? A republic or a monarchy?' `A republic, if you can keep it,' responded Franklin.


You can embolden text til the sun sets, truth of the matter is that Constitutionally or otherwise, you could hardly hold water in a debate against the majority of the "anarchists" here.


You have just stated the compelling argument against them ... they are "anarchists". And as much as they babble and live in their imaginary world, they bend over and surrender their property to our existing Washington Establishment which ignores the Constitution they despise.

JWK

[Ender]

You have just stated the compelling argument against them ... they are "anarchists". And as much as they babble and live in their imaginary world, they bend over and surrender their property to our existing Washington Establishment which ignores the Constitution they despise.

JWK

In my best Will Smith voice:

"Well that was about the dumbest thing I have ever heard anyone say.........uh....ever."

[anaconda]

Obama's just a puppet doing as he's told.

This can't be stressed enough. All of the vitriol against Obama from the rednecks is terribly misdirected and misses the larger point.

[johnwk]

The devastating effects to America from this ongoing invasion of our borders by the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled and disease infected populations of other countries are being felt by American Citizens, regardless of their color or political party affiliation, and they are very much concerned. And this is what the Washington Establishment is fearful of and why they recoil from the word “impeachment”. The Republican Party Leadership wants slave labor provided by those who invade our borders while the Democrat Party Leadership wants to add millions of new impoverished Democrat voters to their rolls.

My perspective is, if the House released a list of Articles of Impeachment just before the election, and the list included Obama’s refusal to enforce existing law and protect our borders from an ongoing invasion among various other impeachable offenses including those mentioned by the Honorable Tray Gowdy, a number of Democrat Senators would jump ship and vote to convict to protect their seat or be voted out of office!

The simple truth is, hardworking people, including those in our nation’s Black community and those now unemployed, have become very upset with Obama wanting to spend billions of dollars to keep illegal aliens in the country who then take jobs away from Blacks looking for work, not to mention how this flood of illegals is destroying the public schools in our nation’s inner cities. I think timing is everything and impeaching Obama would be considered by most American Citizens as a necessity to promote the general welfare of America and the best interests of her citizens, and do so without reference to race or political persuasion!

Let me also point out, a number of the Puerto Ricans I play handball with on weekends are very much concerned about the flood of aliens from Central America and how they are affecting employment, public schools where their children go, not to mention the public health threat (the spreading of infectious diseases) involved. Additionally, the last time I visited East Harlem where I used to play basketball with Blacks, I found that they too are concerned how this invasion is affecting their lives and children in a negative way. I think most hard working citizens in America, regardless of their race or political affiliation, see this invasion as a real threat to the general welfare of the United States.

Those who reject impeachment appear to not be in touch with the American people or they adjust their opinion based on speculative reasoning concerning how it may affect their beloved political party rather than the general welfare of the country.

JWK

We are here today and gone tomorrow, but what is most important is what we do in between, and is what our children will inherit and remember us by

[tod evans]

Okay so drop all the referencing stereotypical minority races and get to the point....

You'd like to impeach the prez....

Then what?

You'd intentionally put Biden in the oval office?

What exactly would you hope to accomplish with that brilliant tactical maneuver?

The same mid-level bureaucrats would be doing the exact same things, nothing would change, not one damn thing.

So long as the populace fears its government things will continue as they are whichever puppet is at the helm..

The moment bureaucrats fear the populace things will change whichever puppet is at the helm..

Impeachment serves no purpose I can discern.....

If you can explain what you envision I'll try to wrap my pea-brain around it?

[johnwk]

Okay so drop all the referencing stereotypical minority races and get to the point....

You'd like to impeach the prez....

Then what?



Are you in agreement with impeachment or is your mission to switch to "what ifs"?



JWK

[tod evans]

Are you in agreement with impeachment or is your mission to switch to "what ifs"?



JWK


Convince me impeachment is in anyones best interests?

I've yet to hear a logical argument...

I asked you a few very pointed questions and your rebuttal is to avoid answering them....

To answer your question though....I'm not against impeaching the prez, hell I'm not against hanging him for treason, but I can't see the net benefit....

[johnwk]

Convince me impeachment is in anyones best interests?

I've yet to hear a logical argument...

....


Perhaps you "logic" is illogical!


Heck, even Blacks are realizing that the invasion is not in America's best interests.


SEE: Chicago Resident: Obama Will Go Down as Worst President Ever (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9ixOsjut3E)


JWK

[tod evans]

Perhaps you "logic" is illogical!


JWK

I have asked questions...

You steadfastly refuse to answer them....

Why?

[johnwk]

I have asked questions...

You steadfastly refuse to answer them....

Why?

Of course I refuse. They have nothing to do with the subject of the thread and I don't intend to argue with you or your pals over your love affair with anarchy.


JWK

[pcosmar]

Of course I refuse.


JWK

Then answer this,,

How is it any different from Reagan's Amnesty or Bush's amnesty.

Oh.. an BTW,, It is not Obama's decision.. It is the CFR.

The Seven Amnesties Passed by Congress
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/illegal-immigration/seven-amnesties-passed-congress.html
Make that 8 with Bush's plan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Immigration_Reform_Act_of_2007

[tod evans]

Of course I refuse. They have nothing to do with the subject of the thread and I don't intend to argue with you or your pals over your love affair with anarchy.


JWK

My questions were directly related to your thread, specifically addressing the predicate issue of impeachment...

There was no mention of "anarchy" and for the record I do not label myself an anarchist..

It's my opinion that you haven't actually given the idea of impeachment any more thought than getting a simple childish hardon over sticking it to the one you perceive to be in charge..

Obama runs nothing, not even his mouth, without permission.

So.......Once again;


You'd intentionally put Biden in the oval office?

What exactly would you hope to accomplish with that brilliant tactical maneuver?

[johnwk]

My questions were directly related to your thread, specifically addressing the predicate issue of impeachment...

There was no mention of "anarchy" and for the record I do not label myself an anarchist..

It's my opinion that you haven't actually given the idea of impeachment any more thought than getting a simple childish hardon over sticking it to the one you perceive to be in charge..

Obama runs nothing, not even his mouth, without permission.

So.......Once again;

Did you miss the title of the thread? What kind of country is Obama transforming America into by immigration: Guatemala, Syria, Iraq?


JWK

[pcosmar]

Did you miss the title of the thread? What kind of country is Obama transforming America into by immigration: Guatemala, Syria, Iraq?


JWK
What kind was Reagan turning it into?
What kind was Bush turning it into?

And Clinton,, though he just expanded and extended Reagan's plans.

I'll tell you. A Police State
And the "Rs" will do the same again this time.. and Obama will help them. (cuz he has been told to)

[tod evans]

Did you miss the title of the thread? What kind of country is Obama transforming America into by immigration: Guatemala, Syria, Iraq?


JWK

You're the one who brought up impeachment Ace....

Now you refuse to discuss it.

Just like you refuse to discuss the salient points Pete makes about how it's folks like you who empower the police state...

I suppose it's easier, and less troublesome to keep your focus on the puppet instead of the string pullers....

[TheCount]

What kind was Reagan turning it into? What kind was Bush turning it into? And Clinton,, though he just expanded and extended Reagan's plans. I'll tell you. A Police State And the "Rs" will do the same again this time.. and Obama will help them. (cuz he has been told to)

I don't often agree with you, but on this I don't see how anyone could possibly disagree.

People talk a lot about preparing for the institution of a police state, imagining that a President will use force to impose martial law. You can see that sort of fantasy all throughout threads on this site. Bullshit; not going to happen. What you can see here in this thread is what will happen instead: The American people will beg for a police state.

Even here amongst supposed libertarians, all it takes is the right words, the right fear mongering, and look how many people are begging for an expansion of government power. I truly fear the idea of Republicans gaining a majority of government power. They have built up such a powerful bogeyman in Obama, in various 'non-American' races, and various foreign groups and states, that they will have vast ability to grow government power and harm liberty.

[johnwk]

You're the one who brought up impeachment Ace....

Now you refuse to discuss it.

Just like you refuse to discuss the salient points Pete makes about how it's folks like you who empower the police state...

I suppose it's easier, and less troublesome to keep your focus on the puppet instead of the string pullers....


I refuse to discuss you anarchy wet dream.


JWK

[tod evans]

I refuse to discuss you anarchy wet dream.


JWK

Apparently you've got some issues.......

[pcosmar]

People talk a lot about preparing for the institution of a police state, imagining that a President will use force to impose martial law. You can see that sort of fantasy all throughout threads on this site. Bullshit; not going to happen. What you can see here in this thread is what will happen instead: The American people will beg for a police state.

No they haven't.. That has been imposed on them.

Rex84 was 30 years ago. Is was not the "American people" that planned that.. It was the Government.. Under Republicans.

They pushed a lot of fear mongering hype about Illegal immigration as a cover story. Built internment camps and prisons..
Hired more enforcers.. (but never did anything to secure the border) And then gave them Amnesty.

Bush did the same again. KBR got millions to refurbish those prison camps..
They increased Border Patrol, (but did not have them patrol the border) They set up checkpoints inside the US and fuck with Americans..
I live in that "Constitution Free Zone". Highways are patrolled by Border Patrol,, miles away from the borders.

There was just a story in another thread about Border Patrol involved in a massive raid,, for a guy with (alleged) kiddy porn on a laptop. (no where near any border)

This whole charade is to push a National Biometric database and Identification. It has been..for years.
The people keep rejecting Real ID. The people do not want it.
The elite DO. And they do whatever it takes to get it.

[TheCount]

This whole charade is to push a National Biometric database and Identification. It has been..for years. The people keep rejecting Real ID. The people do not want it. The elite DO. And they do whatever it takes to get it. Between immigration and voter fraud, Republicans will be on their knees begging for both of these things.

[pcosmar]

Between immigration and voter fraud, Republicans will be on their knees begging for both of these things.

This is what is has been about for well over 30 years.. (well over)
And it has been Pushed by the "Rs" predominately,, with the "Ds" as willing accomplices.

Which is why I don't place any emphasis on the currant puppet on the stage. He is simply following the (unelected) CFR game plan.

[jurgs01]

The massive amount we are having right now, yes, yes, it is. People cannot be assimilated that fast. Especially when the existing Americans don't know their ass from a hole in the ground, much less understand the principles upon which this country was founded.

If there was no welfare they would be assimilated through the life experience of responsibility and personal accountability. People who are responsible for their own lives, their family, and their decisions tend to respect the value of liberty. There are many immigrants, both illegal and legal, that are amazing hard workers and self-sufficient. The problem is the welfare state. That attracts the wrong type of immigrant and encourages them to be sucked into the system (just like it does our citizens).