Adelson, Buffett, Gates press the case for cheap labor

[Brian4Liberty]

Three of the wealthiest Americans, all with personal, vested interests in cheaper labor, want to say that they speak for all Americans. Sorry guys, you don't speak for me on any issue.

There's no secret group of Oligarchs and Plutocrats that run our country. They are open about it.


AMERICAN citizens are paying 535 people to take care of the legislative needs of the country. We are getting shortchanged. Here’s an example: On June 10, an incumbent congressman in Virginia lost a primary election in which his opponent garnered only 36,105 votes. Immediately, many Washington legislators threw up their hands and declared that this one event would produce paralysis in the United States Congress for at least five months. In particular, they are telling us that immigration reform — long overdue — is now hopeless.
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The three of us vary in our politics and would differ also in our preferences about the details of an immigration reform bill. But we could without doubt come together to draft a bill acceptable to each of us [Bet they could. They already had plenty of input into the one they passed in the Senate - B4L]. We hope that fact holds a lesson: You don’t have to agree on everything in order to cooperate on matters about which you are reasonably close to agreement. It’s time that this brand of thinking finds its way to Washington.

Most Americans [Says these Oligarchs that are so connected to the common working citizen. - B4L] believe that our country has a clear and present interest in enacting immigration legislation that is both humane to immigrants living here and a contribution to the well-being of our citizens. Reaching these goals is possible. Our present policy, however, fails badly on both counts.
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A “talented graduate” reform was included in a bill that the Senate approved last year by a 68-to-32 vote. It would remove the worldwide cap [Unlimited cheap labor! Yippee! - B4L] on the number of visas that could be awarded to legal immigrants who had earned a graduate degree in science, technology, engineering or mathematics from an accredited institution of higher education in the United States, provided they had an offer of employment. The bill also included a sensible plan that would have allowed illegal residents to obtain citizenship, though only after they had earned the right to do so.
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Their citizenship could be provisional — dependent, for example, on their making investments of a certain size in new businesses or homes. Expanded investments of that kind would help us jolt the demand side of our economy. [Jolt? Unproven central planning hypothesis - B4L] These immigrants would impose minimal social costs on the United States [LOL! And the Iraq War will pay for itself too. - B4L], compared with the resources they would contribute. New citizens like these would make hefty deposits in our economy, not withdrawals [And the check is in the mail. - B4L].
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Signs of a more productive attitude in Washington — which passage of a well-designed immigration bill would provide — might well lift spirits and thereby stimulate the economy [Lift spirits and stimulate the economy? Really? - B4L]. It’s time for 535 of America’s citizens to remember what they owe to the 318 million who employ them [And these out of touch multi-billionaires speak for them all? Not hardly. - B4L].

Sheldon G. Adelson is the chairman and chief executive of the Las Vegas Sands Corporation. Warren E. Buffett is the chairman and chief executive of Berkshire Hathaway. Bill Gates, former chairman and chief executive of Microsoft, is co-chairman of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.
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More:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/11/opinion/sheldon-adelson-warren-buffett-and-bill-gates-on-immigration-reform.html

[jon4liberty]

If we didn't have the regulations, taxes, and wages we would still have a lot of the manufacturing and an increase in small businesses both of which are vital to a healthy growing economy. More jobs would be available and people wouldn't be so afraid of the immigrant boogie man. A militarized border is meant to keep people in not out. A true free market would have no borders, no welfare, and no drug war. The immigration problem would be fixed with ending the welfare, drug war, and more jobs.

[Brian4Liberty]

A militarized border is meant to keep people in not out.

These guys love the idea of a wall and a militarized border. They just want a system where the laborers they want can come to work for them, via a visa system by and for them.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Here, I'll post this where it reflects what's going on...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muw22wTePqQ#t=326

[56ktarget]

. A militarized border is meant to keep people in not out.
I can at least respect Paulties for their free-market fundamentalism. I can't respect Alex Jones-level of crazy.

[Anti Federalist]

I can at least respect Paulties for their free-market fundamentalism. I can't respect Alex Jones-level of crazy.

Yeah, because a country going bad and using it's armed forces and border control to keep people in never happens in the real world, amirite?

[56ktarget]

Yes, I'm sure the govt would waste billions on keeping people in by land border but forget about air and sea.

[Anti Federalist]

Yes, I'm sure the govt would waste billions on keeping people in by land border but forget about air and sea.

Ports, both sea and air, can be locked down in 48 hours or less.

Keeping the tax cattle from just wandering off with roughly 15,000 miles of border and oceanfront to cover is a more daunting task.

But theye are up to the task.

[ClydeCoulter]

"Tear down that wall"

[AuH20]

I can at least respect Paulties for their free-market fundamentalism. I can't respect Alex Jones-level of crazy.

Actually, the crazy isn't so crazy. You have plutocrats and oligarchs openly divulging their plans, yet we have people consumed with their normalcy bias. Blue bloods want to dominate others and make sure that the foundations of their elaborate system remain stable & don't topple them from their perches. This has been going on for thousands of years under different names.

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[donnay]

Then if nothing was secret why do you suppose the Bilderberg Group holds secret meetings? I also notice within weeks after these secret meetings things around the globe start breaking loose.

[Zippyjuan]

Then if nothing was secret why do you suppose the Bilderberg Group holds secret meetings? I also notice within weeks after these secret meetings things around the globe start breaking loose.

The world is always "breaking loose". There are always many conflicts going on someplace.

Interesting to argue against cheap labor while also calling for getting rid of the minimum wage which would allow/ encourage more cheaper labor.

[juleswin]

The world is always "breaking loose". There are always many conflicts going on someplace.

Interesting to argue against cheap labor while also calling for getting rid of the minimum wage which would allow/ encourage more cheaper labor.

When are you going to stop being an apologist for TPTB? Cheap labor is all good and dandy but these children would all have to be educated in the schools they did not pay for, fed with food, housed, treated in hospitals etc etc etc they did not pay for and at the end of you paying for their training and upbringing, you get the privilege of competing with them for jobs. If there is to be flooding of cheap workers, can the American people at least not be forced to pay for it?

[Zippyjuan]

Ports, both sea and air, can be locked down in 48 hours or less.

Keeping the tax cattle from just wandering off with roughly 15,000 miles of border and oceanfront to cover is a more daunting task.

But theye are up to the task.

The kids aren't sneaking across- they are using legal crossing points and saying "here we are"- turning themselves in. They know (thanks to a law unanimously passed by Congress and signed by Bush) that they can't be immediately sent back (Mexicans can) and must be allowed in and taken care of until they can get a hearing and their status determined.

About half of others in the country illegally also came here legally- on visas as tourists, temporary workers, or students and overstayed. Locking down every inch of the borders- by land, sea, and air- will not prevent them from being here.

[Brian4Liberty]

Gates, Adelson and Buffett Scold Congress on Immigration


Three of the world’s richest men -- Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and Sheldon Adelson -- criticized the U.S. Congress, and particularly the Republican-led House, over its failure to revamp immigration laws.
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Funding Candidates

Adelson, 80, and his wife, Miriam, have been major donors to Republican candidates for years. They pumped $15 million into a super-political action committee backing former House Speaker Newt Gingrich’s presidential campaign in 2012, according to data compiled by the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics. They later gave $20 million to the super-PAC supporting the eventual Republican nominee, Mitt Romney.

Buffett, 83, has given money largely to Democrats over the years, including more than $200,000 to Obama and the Democratic National Committee since Obama first ran for president, according to Federal Election Commission records. He has also cultivated relationships with Republicans as he encouraged compromise on political issues.

Gates, 58, has donated money to members of both parties and a variety of causes, including efforts to support gay marriage.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-11/gates-adelson-and-buffett-scold-congress-on-immigration.html

[Cutlerzzz]

I'm shitting my pants at the idea of all these people moving freely. It's even scarier that they're net tax payers, have a lower crime rate then Americans, and have a higher labor force participation rate than people born in the USA.

Im shitting my pants right now that the police aren't cracking down on them right now. Where are the no knock raids? Where are the business searches for immigrants? Where is the military which we desperately need to place on the border?

[Brian4Liberty]

Interesting to argue against cheap labor while also calling for getting rid of the minimum wage which would allow/ encourage more cheaper labor.

Also interesting to argue for massive immigration which lower wages and a minimum wage at the same time.

[RonPaulMall]

The kids aren't sneaking across- they are using legal crossing points and saying "here we are"- turning themselves in. They know (thanks to a law unanimously passed by Congress and signed by Bush) that they can't be immediately sent back (Mexicans can) and must be allowed in and taken care of until they can get a hearing and their status determined.

About half of others in the country illegally also came here legally- on visas as tourists, temporary workers, or students and overstayed. Locking down every inch of the borders- by land, sea, and air- will not prevent them from being here.

So set up a court in some island hell hole detention center and keep them there until their hearing. That's exactly what Australia did and it has worked wonders in terms of dissuading illegal entry. The idea that the "law" demands this is nothing but a cop out. What is happening is happening because the elites want to destroy the middle class and are interpreting and executing the law in a manner specifically designed to produce the result we are seeing.

[Brian4Liberty]

Big Business Interests Making Amnesty Push in States Amid Border Crisis


While the Obama administration was dumping illegal immigrant children in states like Nebraska, California, and Illinois last week, big-business interests in several states revamped their push for amnesty legislation and more guest-worker visas.
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Steven Mungo, the CEO of Mungo Homes, said he was "just an expert on the available workforce, and it's inadequate." He told the local ABC outlet that, "we just don't have enough high quality workers available to us any longer to take care of the current need and certainly will not have it going forward." *
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The Congressional Budget Office has determined that comprehensive amnesty legislation would lower the wages of American workers. And despite the claims of big-business and high-tech lobbies, there is no proof that there is a shortage of American high-tech workers or that Americans will not do lower-skilled jobs. In fact, the opposite is true.

The big-business groups are calling for more guest-worker visas and work permits, even though nonpartisan scholars and studies have shown there is a surplus of American high-tech workers. And a Center for Immigration Studies report found that Americans make up the majority in jobs they supposedly are unwilling to do.
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More:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/14/Big-Business-Interests-Making-Amnesty-Push-in-States-Amid-Border-Crisis/

*Translation: "We can't find trained workers who will work for less than market rates. And we won't train anyone either. But our foreman says that he has a village full of experts that he can bring in (his cousin knows how to use a hammer). So, there's a shortage."

[Brian4Liberty]

Big Business Interests Making Amnesty Push in States Amid Border Crisis


While the Obama administration was dumping illegal immigrant children in states like Nebraska, California, and Illinois last week, big-business interests in several states revamped their push for amnesty legislation and more guest-worker visas.
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Steven Mungo, the CEO of Mungo Homes, said he was "just an expert on the available workforce, and it's inadequate." He told the local ABC outlet that, "we just don't have enough high quality workers available to us any longer to take care of the current need and certainly will not have it going forward." *
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The Congressional Budget Office has determined that comprehensive amnesty legislation would lower the wages of American workers. And despite the claims of big-business and high-tech lobbies, there is no proof that there is a shortage of American high-tech workers or that Americans will not do lower-skilled jobs. In fact, the opposite is true.

The big-business groups are calling for more guest-worker visas and work permits, even though nonpartisan scholars and studies have shown there is a surplus of American high-tech workers. And a Center for Immigration Studies report found that Americans make up the majority in jobs they supposedly are unwilling to do.
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More:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/14/Big-Business-Interests-Making-Amnesty-Push-in-States-Amid-Border-Crisis/

*Translation: "We can't find trained workers who will work for less than market rates. And we won't train anyone either. But our foreman says that he has a village full of experts that he can bring in at a big discount (his cousin knows how to use a hammer). So, there's a shortage."

[DamianTV]

"You should take less money because these illegal immigrants will work for less than you do." Qualifications has NOTHING to do with it.

[AuH20]

Big Business Interests Making Amnesty Push in States Amid Border Crisis



*Translation: "We can't find trained workers who will work for less than market rates. And we won't train anyone either. But our foreman says that he has a village full of experts that he can bring in (his cousin knows how to use a hammer). So, there's a shortage."

OTMs have lower expectations and will work for ALPO. Plus, they will supplement their meager income with social services if need be.

[AuH20]

Meanwhile in Bubba's neck of the woods...

http://arkansasnews.com/news/arkansas/poultry-federation-president-lack-immigration-reform-hurts-agriculture


The agriculture industry will face an increasing labor shortage and consumers will see food prices soar if Congress does not pass comprehensive immigration reform, Poultry Federation President Marvin Childers said Tuesday.

“What I can tell you from visiting with the poultry companies in Arkansas is that we need employees,” Childers said during a conference call with reporters. “It’s obvious that our immigration system is broken. We all agree that we need to start with securing the border, but we need to find a way to make certain that the people that are here, that we get them on some path to citizenship.”

He said that if comprehensive reform does not happen, the price of food will be driven “completely out of reason for Arkansans and Americans.”

Childers said the poultry industry was one of the first industries to adopt of the E-Verify system for checking employees’ eligibility to work in the U.S., but he said the program has made it harder to find workers and has problems that need to be fixed, such as an inability to detect fraudulent documents and a lack of legal protection for employers who rely on the system.


So why has their cost of business risen? I think we know the answer and it has little to do with labor.

[Weston White]

This is sustainable development (Agenda 21) being ramped up, blatantly on par with Cloward-Piven and Alinsky. Furthering the dual agenda of lowering working class expectations throughout America to fall more inline with second and third world nations, while committing the desperation of such workers to the thereafter subjugation of social justice and welfare programs, resulting in an overwhelmed, over-bloated system of dependence that will steadily, yet exponentially, come crashing down over the next decade or two. At which time their ultimate endgame will have been achieved, a complete transformation of America and other first-world nations into a brand new system of internationalized government, merging with second and third tiered nations, every one to be regionally dictated through a small group of key players—a neo-feudalistic accomplished new world order, contained in perpetual singularity.

[Brian4Liberty]

So why has their cost of business risen? I think we know the answer and it has little to do with labor.

Exactly! And this was by design. Greenspan has admitted that importing labor to lower labor costs was a method of offsetting monetary inflation. Now, inflation has hit everything but labor, and our dear leaders in the Oligarchy/Plutocracy have only one solution: even more cheap labor. Works great for them, screws over 99% of Americans.

[Brian4Liberty]

This is sustainable development (Agenda 21) being ramped up, blatantly on par with Cloward-Piven and Alinsky. Furthering the dual agenda of lowering working class expectations throughout America to fall more inline with second and third world nations, while committing the desperation of such workers to the thereafter subjugation of social justice and welfare programs, resulting in an overwhelmed, over-bloated system of dependence that will steadily, yet exponentially, come crashing down over the next decade or two. At which time their ultimate endgame will have been achieved, a complete transformation of America and other first-world nations into a brand new system of internationalized government, merging with second and third tiered nations, every one to be regionally dictated through a small group of key players—a neo-feudalistic accomplished new world order, contained in perpetual singularity.

Absolutely. And that one world government will not include "free movement" of any kind. Every person will be tracked. And going from one region to the next will require the permission of your masters (i.e. the government-corporate-police-bureaucratic complex).

[Brian4Liberty]

Exactly! And this was by design. Greenspan has admitted that importing labor to lower labor costs was a method of offsetting monetary inflation. Now, inflation has hit everything but labor, and our dear leaders in the Oligarchy/Plutocracy have only one solution: even more cheap labor. Works great for them, screws over 99% of Americans.

On CNBC this morning they are reporting from the Delivering Alpha conference. The CNBC panel was discussing the Federal Reserve and inflation. A blond haired woman said there are only pockets of inflation, and her example of a non inflationary area was wages. She then added that if wages start to go up it will be a disaster, and that something must be done and actions must be taken to keep wages from rising.

Part of the context of the discussion was talking about what tools the Federal Reserve has to save the economy and that they are out of tools. It looks like their latest strategy is to just come right out and say that depressing wages is their only option. What they won't admit is that it's what they have been doing for the past 20 years.

They must be getting desperate when they admit that depressing wages is their goal.

[Lord Xar]

I'm shitting my pants at the idea of all these people moving freely. It's even scarier that they're net tax payers, have a lower crime rate then Americans, and have a higher labor force participation rate than people born in the USA.

Im shitting my pants right now that the police aren't cracking down on them right now. Where are the no knock raids? Where are the business searches for immigrants? Where is the military which we desperately need to place on the border?


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[Zippyjuan]

Absolutely. And that one world government will not include "free movement" of any kind. Every person will be tracked. And going from one region to the next will require the permission of your masters (i.e. the government-corporate-police-bureaucratic complex).

That is the only way we can get rid of 100% of illegal immigrants. Good suggestion!

[Philhelm]

The bottom line is that most of the people coming here don't give a shit about your Constitution, NAP, property rights, Ron Paul, SWAT raids, 4th Amendment, gun ownership, drone strikes, etc. We are currently in a battle of ideas, and the government wants to enlist reinforcements. The government knows that some schmuck from Durkadurkastan doesn't give a flying fuck about individual liberty. Always be suspicious when the government and its string-pullers desire something.

[AuH20]

The bottom line is that most of the people coming here don't give a shit about your Constitution, NAP, property rights, Ron Paul, SWAT raids, 4th Amendment, gun ownership, drone strikes, etc. We are currently in a battle of ideas, and the government wants to enlist reinforcements. The government knows that some schmuck from Durkadurkastan doesn't give a flying fuck about individual liberty. Always be suspicious when the government and its string-pullers desire something.

It's like locusts. They have no skin in the game if things go south quickly. They'll simply relocate back to their homeland when the curtains fall. Hotel America is a globalist concept.

[Brian4Liberty]

Oh, the irony...

And Microsoft is not the only tech company having mass layoffs this year.


Hours after Microsoft announced that it would be slashing 18,000 jobs on Thursday, Sen. Jeff Sessions (A-AL) issued a challenge to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) and other Democrats who voted for the Senate's comprehensive immigration bill: Prove that there is a shortage of American high-tech workers.

Speaking on the Senate floor, Sessions mentioned that just a week before Microsoft's announcement, Microsoft's former CEO Bill Gates joined with two other "masters of the universe" to urge Congress to remove limits on the number of guest-worker visas that can be awarded.

"So today I'm going to issue a challenge to Majority Leader Reid and every single one of our 55 Senate Democrats who voted unanimously for this Gang-of-Eight bill," Sessions said, emphasizing that the bill would double the number of guest-worker visas that are awarded. "With Microsoft laying off 18,000 workers, come down to the Senate floor and tell me that there's a shortage of qualified Americans to fill STEM jobs. Come down and tell us: Do you stand with Mr. Gates or do you stand with our American constituents?"

Gates, along with Sheldon Adelson and Warren Buffett, advocated in a joint New York Times op-ed last week for removing "the worldwide cap on the number of visas that could be awarded to legal immigrants who had earned a graduate degree in science, technology, engineering or mathematics from an accredited institution of higher education in the United States."

They did, Sessions said, even though all of the evidence points to a surplus – not a shortage – of American high-tech workers. He said Gates, Adelson, and Buffett wanted to "share the wisdom from on high" and "tell Congress how to do our business" and "conduct immigration reform that they think should be pleasing to them."
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Sessions took offense that Gates, Buffett, and Adelson asserted that Members of Congress who do not support amnesty legislation and increases in guest-worker visas are not honoring their duty to the "300 million Americans that we collectively represent."

Sessions said he feels a deep duty to the millions of Alabamans whom "I represent and the whole country, and I do my best every day to ask what's in their interest."

"And as far as I'm concerned... those three billionaires have three votes," he said. "The individual who works stocking the shelves, at the grocery store, the barber, the doctor, the lawyer, the cleaners operator, the person who picks up our garbage are every bit as valuable as they are."

He also said what's good for Mr. Adelson, "Mr. Microsoft," and Mr. Buffett is "not always 100% in acord with what's good for the American people. I know that."

"So I know who I represent," Sessions said. "I represent the citizens of the United States."
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More:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/17/Jeff-Sessions-Challenges-Harry-Reid-Dems-Prove-There-s-a-Shortage-of-American-High-Tech-Workers

[Brian4Liberty]

More workers! We need more workers! Jobs Americans can't do!

/s


Cisco Beats Earnings, Announces Massive Layoffs
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The big news: Cisco announced a new round of job cuts. It will cut 6,000 jobs, or 8% of its workforce, starting next quarter.

Another troubling sign: Sales are way down in emerging markets. China is getting hit very hard. Sales are down 23% there.

Last quarter marked the end of Cisco's fiscal year 2014. Guidance for the next year doesn't look good, basically flat to 1% growth.
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More:
http://www.businessinsider.com/cisco-q2-earnings-2014-8

[RandallFan]

This is a bad political move by Adelson and others.

Even Ann Coulter accuses Adelson and Schumer of hypocrisy on Israel's borders.

I don't understand how they think it is good to have multiple billionaire authors bully readers into a political position.

I think Rand should actually attack Ted Cruz for stealing thunder from Jeff Sessions. Cruz has been all over the place like Rand but the media is claiming Cruz is some big hawk and Rand is so much more pro-amnesty than Cruz when both would probably support more tech visas and a future point where many illegals get legal status.

Why the does Zuckerberg think Jeff Sessions has no Democrat or general opponent running against him? Maybe he can run one of his push polls in Alabama.
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I think the hissy fit over Cantor from the Fox RINOs and the oligarchs will embolden more people to turn out to vote against incumbents.

I think that is part of the reason that Pat Roberts and Lamar got under 50%.

[HOLLYWOOD]

With the right kind of marketing (which most grassroots campaigns severely lack), how easy of ad campaigns to call out these political whores that sellout the voters left and right by US oligarchs and Fascist state of corporatism. I mean, Americans have been trained to vote themselves "STUFF" well, you better vote the correct position, because your job will be gone because of the cozy marriage between these Billionaires Corporatists and Millionaire Politicians.

Usually, it's the corporations and polticians that turn the people against one another, now you can turn the tide of Fascism... if the voters wake up.