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PierzStyx
07-04-2014, 12:56 PM
Liberty is more than fireworks, hamburgers, and flag waving. Today is a day celebrating secession and revolution, when a free people overthrew a tyrannical government. Rereading the Declaration today, I figure the USA today conforms to a little over half the complaints Jefferson listed in the Declaration. And the other half has happened before, just not regularly. The question is, what are we going to do about it. Jefferson says that people will suffer evils as long as evils are sufferable. How long before the evils of modern day tyranny become insufferable?

" He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of representation in the legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the legislative powers, incapable of annihilation, have returned to the people at large for their exercise; the state remaining in the meantime exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states; for that purpose obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migration hither, and raising the conditions of new appropriations of lands.

He has obstructed the administration of justice, by refusing his assent to laws for establishing judiciary powers.

He has made judges dependent on his will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, standing armies without the consent of our legislature.

He has affected to render the military independent of and superior to civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these states:

For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing taxes on us without our consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury:

For transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offenses:

For abolishing the free system of English laws in a neighboring province, establishing therein an arbitrary government, and enlarging its boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule in these colonies:

For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our governments:

For suspending our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated government here, by declaring us out of his protection and waging war against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare, is undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms: our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have we been wanting in attention to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, enemies in war, in peace friends.

We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the good people of these colonies, solemnly publish and declare, that these united colonies are, and of right ought to be free and independent states; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor."



http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/freedom/declaration-of-independence/text.html

heavenlyboy34
07-04-2014, 01:22 PM
I don't think it really counts because TPTB set up an even more tyrannical government here. But enjoy teh fireworks! The local show was last night here. Awesome as usual. :cool:

Ronin Truth
07-04-2014, 02:11 PM
Compared to today, King George seems pretty mild, even if he was a loon. Perhaps the revolutionaries just had a much shorter fuse back then.

DamianTV
07-04-2014, 06:09 PM
I think I'll watch V for Vendetta tonight to remind me of all the things we have lost.

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Compared to today, King George seems pretty mild, even if he was a loon. Perhaps the revolutionaries just had a much shorter fuse back then.

I think our forefathers were not as "entertained to death" as our entire society is today.

heavenlyboy34
07-04-2014, 06:31 PM
I think our forefathers were not as "entertained to death" as our entire society is today.

Yeah, but the principle of what RT says holds true even a few generations ago.

Anti Federalist
07-04-2014, 07:08 PM
I'm having avatar confusion...this has been bothering me for a while.

Who is this guy?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/customavatars/avatar33507_6.gif

PRB
07-04-2014, 07:23 PM
Liberty is more than fireworks, but fireworks is everything when your city prohibits them.

PRB
07-04-2014, 08:04 PM
I'm having avatar confusion...this has been bothering me for a while.

Who is this guy?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/customavatars/avatar33507_6.gif

looks like JCVD to me

Anti Federalist
07-04-2014, 08:17 PM
looks like JCVD to me

That's who I thought as well, but now I'm not thinking so.

PRB
07-04-2014, 08:24 PM
That's who I thought as well, but now I'm not thinking so.

my next guess would be a comic/cartoon character, but it says visionary, so I'm totally confused

Pericles
07-04-2014, 08:38 PM
The most important concept articulated by the DoI was to enshrine the right of revolution.

PRB
07-04-2014, 08:43 PM
The most important concept articulated by the DoI was to enshrine the right of revolution.

we haven't lost that right, we just don't want it enough

heavenlyboy34
07-04-2014, 10:09 PM
we haven't lost that right, we just don't want it enough

And We ("we" being the average Citizeny) have no way of obtaining the threat of force necessary to intimidate TPTB into backing the fuck off and giving Us Our libertees back.

PierzStyx
07-05-2014, 04:41 AM
I think I'll watch V for Vendetta tonight to remind me of all the things we have lost.

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I think our forefathers were not as "entertained to death" as our entire society is today.


I watch it at least once a year, on November 5th. Its one of my favorite movies ever.

PRB
07-05-2014, 04:45 AM
I watch it at least once a year, on November 5th. Its one of my favorite movies ever.

so who is that guy on your avatar?

PierzStyx
07-05-2014, 05:12 AM
I'm having avatar confusion...this has been bothering me for a while.

Who is this guy?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/customavatars/avatar33507_6.gif


Its a video game character. His name is Andrew Ryan, from the game Bioshock. He is basically a video game combination of Walt Disney and Ayn Rand. Escaping Soviet Russia he flees to America, the home of the free. He builds an economic empire, but becomes disillusioned as FDR spoon feeds socialism to the masses and atomic weapons are used against Japan. Wanting to escape the liberal parasites set on feeding on his wealth, and convinced they're going to destroy themselves, he constructs his own Galt's Gulch. It is a city called Rapture, built beneath the Atlantic Ocean, based solely on free market principles, and filled with the greatest minds of the time. The main action of the game takes place during a civil war in the city of Rapture between Ryan and another character .

Anyway, the "Visionary" tag is there because the character dared to do what seemed impossible-to try and construct a world free of the state where people were not constrained by the government or anyone else. Because no such place on Earth existed, he built one.

A few in game quotes to give you some idea why I like the character despite his in game flaws an amorality:

"What is the greatest lie every created? What is the most vicious obscenity ever perpetrated on mankind? Slavery? The Holocaust? Dictatorship? No. It's the tool with which all that wickedness is built: altruism. Whenever anyone wants others to do their work, they call upon their altruism. Never mind your own needs, they say, think of the needs of... of whoever. The state. The poor. Of the army, of the king, of God! The list goes on and on. How many catastrophes were launched with the words "think of yourself"? It's the "king and country" crowd who light the torch of destruction. It is this great inversion, this ancient lie, which has chained humanity to an endless cycle of guilt and failure. My journey to Rapture was my second exodus. In 1919, I fled a country that had traded in despotism for insanity. The Marxist revolution simply traded one lie for another. Instead of one man, the tsar, owning the work of all the people, all the people owned the work of all of the people. So, I came to America: where a man could own his own work, where a man could benefit from the brilliance of his own mind, the strength of his own muscles, the might of his own will. I had thought I had left the parasites of Moscow behind me. I had thought I had left the Marxist altruists to their collective farms and their five-year plans. But as the German fools threw themselves on Hitler's sword "for the good of the Reich", the Americans drank deeper and deeper of the Bolshevik poison, spoon-fed to them by Roosevelt and his New Dealists. And so, I asked myself: in what country was there a place for men like me - men who refused to say "yes" to the parasites and the doubters, men who believed that work was sacred and property rights inviolate. And then one day, the happy answer came to me, my friends: there was no country for people like me! And that was the moment I decided... to build one."

"On the surface, the Parasite expects the doctor to heal them for free, the farmer to feed them out of charity. How little they differ from the pervert who prowls the streets, looking for a victim he can ravish for his grotesque amusement."

"There are three things the parasite hates: free markets, free will, and free men."

"In the end what separates a man from a slave? Money? Power? No, a man chooses, and a slave obeys!"

Uriel999
07-05-2014, 06:03 AM
And We ("we" being the average Citizeny) have no way of obtaining the threat of force necessary to intimidate TPTB into backing the fuck off and giving Us Our libertees back.

You are wrong on several accounts. We have all the power if we so chose to exercise it. No government ever "gives" back liberty to the people. We must take it for ourselves.