Shameless Progressives - no individual rights for you

[Brian4Liberty]

The statist progressives and Marxists really have no shame. This news story is on the mainstream media today. Perfect for the low information peons.

Their "new" finding: The Declaration of Independence is about the importance of government, not individual rights.


“The logic of the sentence moves from the value of individual rights to the importance of government as a tool for protecting those rights,” Ms. Allen told The Times. “You lose that connection when the period gets added.”

Scholars are taking the argument seriously, The Times said.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/3/what-did-jefferson-mean-punctuation-questions-coul/

[Ronin Truth]

If individuals have no rights, then where do "collective rights" (so called :rolleyes:) come from?

[Brian4Liberty]

Happy 4th of July!

BTW, the media says you are now celebrating government, not freedom or liberty.

[Origanalist]

They never stop, and they never will. The very idea of liberty is an affront to them.

[Ronin Truth]

Happy 4th of July!

BTW, the media says you are now celebrating government, not freedom or liberty. As usual, I'm celebrating independence......and my birthday.;)

[HOLLYWOOD]

Know Your Enemies... The destroying of the rights of the individual.... for those of the socialist-collectivist. It's those socialist-collectivist that dominate and dictate over the individual. She's another product of the Marxist and their rooted brainwashing in secondary so-called "re-education".

http://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/014665in.html

Spectrum - The Franke Institute for the Humanities (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=16&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEIQFjAFOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffranke.uchicago.edu%2Fspectrum-2004-05.pdf&ei=w_C2U7TYG47_oQTQyYH4Cw&usg=AFQjCNH-TWMVfbXRrexPQ6ExRtHh2wF3Vw&bvm=bv.70138588,d.cGE)

franke.uchicago.edu/spectrum-2004-05.pdfUniversity of Chicago


Danielle S. Allen. Dean ... Left to Right: Gary Jaeger, Fay Rosner, Drew Davies, Daniel Barolsky, Margot Browning ... figures as diverse as Karl Marx, John Stuart.




Danielle S. Allen
Danielle Allen on equality, education and the Declaration of Independence (http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2012/10/20/danielle-allen-on-equality-education-and-the-declaration-of-independence/)

http://seattletimes.com/ABPub/2008/06/28/2008023172.jpg


Danielle Allen, of the Institute for Advanced Study, investigated the
origins of the baseless e-mail that linked Barack Obama to radical Islam.

[Suzanimal]

As usual, I'm celebrating independence......and my birthday.;)

Happy Birthday!!! :)
You get fireworks on your birthday, YAY!

[Anti Federalist]

Imagine my shock at the source.

It does not change this:

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

every time you repeat the same thing 3 times, but bigger each time, AF, I feel like I'm watching Starwars

[Paulbot99]

Hell no. If you want to know what Jefferson meant, look at the Party he started. The Democratic-Republicans were small government and pro-states' rights. And don't you dare compare today's statist Democratic Party with them.

[Ronin Truth]

Happy Birthday!!! :)
You get fireworks on your birthday, YAY!YAY! :D Thanks!

[angelatc]

As usual, I'm celebrating independence......and my birthday.;)

Happy birthday! It is also my birthday too.

And speaking of shameless .... if anybody would like to help me celebrate, I would appreciate a donation to the candidate I am working for: http://philformichigan.com/

[angelatc]

Happy Birthday!!! :)
You get fireworks on your birthday, YAY!


As I said above, it's also my birthday. When I was a kid, I thought the fireworks were for me. When I got older, I laughingly told that to my Mom, who immediately replied,"That's probably because we told you they were all for you."

:D

[otherone]

Scholars are taking the argument seriously, The Times said.

They are referring to Enos and Jethro Scholars, of course:
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140219111004/uncyclopedia/images/c/c0/Inbred.jpg

[Ronin Truth]

Happy birthday! It is also my birthday too.

And speaking of shameless .... if anybody would like to help me celebrate, I would appreciate a donation to the candidate I am working for: http://philformichigan.com/

Happy birthday to you too! :D

[Ronin Truth]

Scholars are taking the argument seriously, The Times said.

They are referring to Enos and Jethro Scholars, of course:
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140219111004/uncyclopedia/images/c/c0/Inbred.jpg

Something tells me that their family tree doesn't fork and that they've been swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool.

[Anti Federalist]

every time you repeat the same thing 3 times, but bigger each time, AF, I feel like I'm watching Starwars


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGsKzZtRwxw

[Weston White]

So instead of taking the paragraph as whole within the context of unity and purpose they want to focus on it as two distinct parts, one being superior and the other subordinate, or on the connections between the two sentences being severed? Then what is there to establish the first sentence as subordinate? How exactly has that connection become lost now over two-centuries afterward? And moreover, does it really matter one way or the other, given the context of the document as a whole and since its establishment under American common law? (That is as pertaining to the context of the entire paragraph.)

Further noting that word following is capitalized, indicating the start of a new sentence, and its entire sentence is placed within emphasizing dashes, further noting its importance.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. —That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

As to its connection, can it be anymore connected than already, as it was written on a single sheet of vellum, in one flowing paragraph, moving from one point to another; meanwhile the entire context of the paragraph focuses upon the aspirations of the people and not their government, but only what is to be the function of their government with respect to its people?

Hence, the government is only superior in that it exists, as its people’s “Guards for their future security”, so ensuring that the self-evident truths therein enumerated are secured—for what other means would be available to accomplish these ends—and when its existence has become ultimately destructive, then it further crystalizes the rights and duties of its people to take prudent action against their government, including putting it to death if need be.

Consequently, it also states “Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes”, such as debating over periods, commas, and the like.

[Philhelm]

Imagine my shock at the source.

It does not change this:

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security

The tree of liberty must be refreshed . . . .

The tree of liberty must be refreshed . . . .

The tree of liberty must be refreshed . . . .

[heavenlyboy34]

The tree of liberty must be refreshed . . . .

The tree of liberty must be refreshed . . . .

The tree of liberty must be refreshed . . . .

Will you be firing the first shot? ;)

[Philhelm]

Will you be firing the first shot? ;)

Many "first shots" have already been fired, and are probably fired every day, any time someone resists government.

[Anti Federalist]

Will you be firing the first shot? ;)

Who can tell?

Maybe every one of us will.

Maybe none of us will.

[heavenlyboy34]

Who can tell?

Maybe every one of us will.

Maybe none of us will.
15,000 Lexington and Concords...t'would be interesting, to say the least.

[DamianTV]

And Boobus just eats this shit right up...