Cochran Camp Estimates 35,000 democrats crossed over to aid them

[AuH20]

So this is how it's going to be?

http://americanthinker.com/blog/2014/06/cochran_camp_says_35000_dems_crossed_over_to_vote_ for_the_incumbent.html

[thoughtomator]

So this is how it's going to be?

http://americanthinker.com/blog/2014/06/cochran_camp_says_35000_dems_crossed_over_to_vote_ for_the_incumbent.html

The only fair response to these acts is for all the people who supported McDaniel to vote for the opponent most likely to beat Cochran in the general. What's good for the goose...

[specsaregood]

The only fair response to these acts is for all the people who supported McDaniel to vote for the opponent most likely to beat Cochran in the general. What's good for the goose...

That would be illegal.

[thoughtomator]

That would be illegal.

Nay, it is the intent at the time of the primary that matters. All McDaniel's voters originally intended to vote for the Republican in the general, to a person (which can't be said to be true of his opponent's voters).

[William Tell]

That would be illegal.

No, voting in a primary can not legally bind your vote in the General Election. Besides voting is private screw the establishment, let them think you voted for their dumbass.

[William Tell]

Nay, it is the intent at the time of the primary that matters. All McDaniel's voters originally intended to vote for the Republican in the general, to a person (which can't be said to be true of his opponent's voters).

Yes, I always vote 'republican' when I see Republican I use the small r definition.

[AuH20]

This entire McDaniel fiasco reinforced my point about supporting Grimes over McDonnell. Burn it all down.

[specsaregood]

Nay, it is the intent at the time of the primary that matters. All McDaniel's voters originally intended to vote for the Republican in the general, to a person (which can't be said to be true of his opponent's voters).
fair enough.


No, voting in a primary can not legally bind your vote in the General Election. Besides voting is private screw the establishment, let them think you voted for their dumbass.
Well, I coulda sworn I saw a law about that posted yesterday. But I don't want to give em any ideas, next you know they will alter the law so that if you vote in the primary you can't vote in the general and your primary vote automatically converts to the general vote for the same party...

[William Tell]

Well, I coulda sworn I saw a law about that posted yesterday.

You probably did, but it is still not legally binding.

[HOLLYWOOD]

http://c6.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/pic_corner.jpg

[COpatriot]

http://c6.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/pic_corner.jpg

That is one of the dirtiest fucking things I've ever seen.

[Brian4Liberty]

The only fair response to these acts is for all the people who supported McDaniel to vote for the opponent most likely to beat Cochran in the general. What's good for the goose...

Yeah, no one should feel obliged to vote for a dirty, corrupt politician like Cochran. What are the options in the General?

[Vanguard101]

http://c6.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/pic_corner.jpg

Holy fking sht

[AuH20]

Holy fking sht

And this most likely came from the NRSC. Chew on that.

http://www.beaufortobserver.net/Blog-3931.112112-8480.112112-NRSC-abuses-contributor-money-to-use-it-against-conservatives-in-primaries.html

[Matt Collins]

http://www.roebuckclasses.com/maps/usmap/blackpopmap.jpg

[AuH20]

BTW if this guy had any balls he would resign from the NRSC after what happened last night!

Sen. Ted Cruz, NRSC Vice Chairman for Grassroots Outreach

[COpatriot]

Beck is throwing a tantrum on his show this morning.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Beck is throwing a tantrum on his show this morning. Betcha Mark Levine will have an aneurism on his show today. I might actually listen in today.

[Brian4Liberty]

Cochran Camp Estimates 35,000 democrats crossed over to aid them

Actually, there is nothing inherently wrong with voters in Open Primaries and General Elections "crossing over" Party lines.

On the other hand, if it's a closed Primary (or closed run-off), then it might be illegal.

[Shane Harris]

pathetic

[Brian4Liberty]

Mississippi election rules seem to be pretty screwed up and ambiguous.

[asurfaholic]

Just have to make sure all those votes were from people who actually voted properly.

If each of those 35k votes were actual people voting properly then this is just a wake up call for how future elections should be handled, especially in areas that have open primaries.

[thoughtomator]

Just have to make sure all those votes were from people who actually voted properly.

If each of those 35k votes were actual people voting properly then this is just a wake up call for how future elections should be handled, especially in areas that have open primaries.

Even if all those votes are legitimate, resorting to this tactic to gain an decisive advantage over an intraparty opponent is the kind of thing that breaks coalitions. If this is not repudiated, it's game over for the GOP as an institution.

[Brian4Liberty]

It makes no sense to have an open GOP run-off. It's specifically GOP. An Open Primary followed by a General Election with the top 2 makes sense, but not what they did in Mississippi. It seems that this system was set-up with the intent of this type of manipulation.

[mosquitobite]

Even if all those votes are legitimate, resorting to this tactic to gain an decisive advantage over an intraparty opponent is the kind of thing that breaks coalitions. If this is not repudiated, it's game over for the GOP as an institution.

Agreed. This could be the tipping point for a tsunami if the grassroots plays these cards right!


http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/it-looks-like-african-americans-really-did-help-thad-cochran-win/

Keep in mind, though, that the pre-election polls had McDaniel ahead by around 8 points. It seems plausible that the reason they got the race wrong was because they were modeling an electorate that looked a lot more like the first round of the GOP primary instead of the runoff. That certainly makes sense given what I found. The analysis here suggests that Cochran may very well have won because he was able to get traditionally Democratic voters to cast their ballots for him.

[specsaregood]

It makes no sense to have an open GOP run-off. It's specifically GOP. An Open Primary followed by a General Election with the top 2 makes sense, but not what they did in Mississippi. It seems that this system was set-up with the intent of this type of manipulation.

I Disagree. Who is paying for the runoff election? Should not all taxpayers have a say if they are having to pay for it?

One reason I prefer the caucus system where it is paid for by the private organizations.

[mosquitobite]

Even if all those votes are legitimate, resorting to this tactic to gain an decisive advantage over an intraparty opponent is the kind of thing that breaks coalitions. If this is not repudiated, it's game over for the GOP as an institution.

It's one thing for the OTHER party to chide and coerce their followers to wreak havoc in their OPPONENTS primary (ie: Limbaugh in 2008).

It's a WHOLE NEW BALL GAME when the party begs the OTHER PARTY to keep them in power.

[Brian4Liberty]

I Disagree. Who is paying for the runoff election? Should not all taxpayers have a say if they are having to pay for it?

One reason I prefer the caucus system where it is paid for by the private organizations.

You have a point there, especially if it's just for a specific Party to have a run-off. The Party should sponsor (and pay for) their own run-off. But it's a bit of a separate issue. I can think of many other taxpayer funded things I'd like to have a vote on. Authorization of use of military force is just one.

It would be fair if all candidates were included in the run-off. In other words, the GOP, Democrats, Libertarians, etc should all be on the run-off ballot, and the top two can go to the General.

[eduardo89]

http://c6.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/pic_corner.jpg

The Supreme Court ruled earlier this month that lying is not illegal.

[tsai3904]

Radio ad targeted to Democrats:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZzXi2PnGJs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZzXi2PnGJs

[thoughtomator]

Radio ad targeted to Democrats:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZzXi2PnGJs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZzXi2PnGJs

Houston, we have a problem.

[Constitutional Paulicy]

This s why I laugh at anyone who thinks that we have a fair and just system. Do we have any dignity?
Pathetic, Pathetic, Pathetic, Pathetic, Pathetic, Pathetic..... Oh did I say Pathetic?

[jbauer]

Houston, we have a problem.

For F sake. What a crooked f'ed up piece of $hit country we live in

[Brian4Liberty]

Mississippi election rules seem to be pretty screwed up and ambiguous.


A source close to McDaniel told Breitbart News that he is considering legal challenges over ballots. Democrats who voted for Cochran on Tuesday but voted three weeks ago in the Democratic primary in the state were not allowed to vote in Tuesday’s election.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/06/24/Cochran-McDaniel-Results-Legal-Challenges

So, if you vote in the Primary with a GOP ballot, then you can vote in the GOP run-off. But what about people who didn't vote in the Primary?

There are probably quite a few votes that can be thrown out (people who voted with the Democrat ballot in the Primary, and used the GOP ballot in the run-off). This could get interesting.

[eduardo89]

So, if you vote in the Primary with a GOP ballot, then you can vote in the GOP run-off. But what about people who didn't vote in the Primary?

There are probably quite a few votes that can be thrown out (people who voted with the Democrat ballot in the Primary, and used the GOP ballot in the run-off). This could get interesting.

If 35,000 members of the Democrat Party did vote as the Cochran campaign claims, then I think 6000 is a number that McDaniel should be able to get thrown out. Let's just hope that the Cochran campaign was stupid enough to get Democrats who voted in their primary to vote again.

[Red Green]

If Thad makes it to the general election, conservative groups ought to put out materials naming him as the "Democratic Party's choice for the Republican Nomination".

[Pericles]

If Thad makes it to the general election, conservative groups ought to put out materials naming him as the "Democratic Party's choice for the Republican Nomination".

Proof that there is only the incumbent party.

Different states have different methods of conducting elections - a power reserved to the states ......

[compromise]

BTW if this guy had any balls he would resign from the NRSC after what happened last night!

Sen. Ted Cruz, NRSC Vice Chairman for Grassroots Outreach

He reportedly hasn't attended any NRSC meetings.

http://time.com/2842539/ted-cruz-republicans-2016/

He hasn’t set foot in the NRSC in more than a year, sources say.

“They tried to channel him to be somewhat productive. They tried that with NRSC,” says John Feehery, a former longtime GOP Hill aide.

[twomp]

He reportedly hasn't attended any NRSC meetings.

http://time.com/2842539/ted-cruz-republicans-2016/

Your spin powers are always at work. There is a big difference between what you said, "He reportedly hasn't attended any NRSC meetings." And what the article you linked says, "He hasn’t set foot in the NRSC in more than a year, sources say."

[NewRightLibertarian]

This entire McDaniel fiasco reinforced my point about supporting Grimes over McDonnell. Burn it all down.

Agreed. This is war and our primary enemy is the republican establishment. The faster they are displaced, the better.

[Matt Collins]

Radio ad targeted to Democrats:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZzXi2PnGJs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZzXi2PnGJs
Who paid for that ad? By law it must be disclaimed

[mad cow]

Who paid for that ad? By law it must be disclaimed

I don't think that word means what you think it means....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

[Lord Xar]

From what I've been seeing (reading), there is enough reasonable doubt to have McDaniel go down the legal path....I hope he does.
Fuck these establishment pieces of shit.

[Brian4Liberty]

And here's an example of the illegal votes:

2702

[eduardo89]

Who paid for that ad? By law it must be disclaimed

disclaim |disˈklām| verb [ with obj. ]
refuse to acknowledge; deny

[eduardo89]

And here's an example of the illegal votes:

2702
That's 3 out of 4 votes, 75% of those on that one page.

If Cochran's campaign is truthful about 35,000 Democrats switching over to vote for him, McDaniel would only need to prove that about 17% voted in the Democrat Party primary in order to have the election results invalidated.

[Brian4Liberty]

That's 3 out of 4 votes, 75% of those on that one page.

If Cochran's campaign is truthful about 35,000 Democrats switching over to vote for him, McDaniel would only need to prove that about 17% voted in the Democrat Party primary in order to have the election results invalidated.

Actually it's worse than that. The last column is people who voted in the run-off. 100% of the people who voted in the run-off on that page did so illegally.

[eduardo89]

Actually it's worse than that. The last column is people who voted in the run-off. 100% of the people who voted in the run-off on that page did so illegally.

Oh, I know. I meant that he needs 17% of the Democrat voters who voted for him to be illegal votes. Seeing as all the ones on that page voted illegally, it should be possible to reach 17% of total Democrat votes.

What I don't understand is how poll workers allowed them to vote.

[Matt Collins]

disclaim |disˈklām| verb [ with obj. ]
refuse to acknowledge; deny
http://www.fec.gov/ans/answers_general.shtml#What_disclaimers_must_appear _in_political_ads_and_mailings

[mad cow]

http://www.fec.gov/ans/answers_general.shtml#What_disclaimers_must_appear _in_political_ads_and_mailings

Aha.Thanks for the correction and education.

[eduardo89]

http://www.fec.gov/ans/answers_general.shtml#What_disclaimers_must_appear _in_political_ads_and_mailings

You're still using the word 'disclaim' wrongly.


Who paid for that ad? By law it must be disclaimed

What you are saying is they must "refuse to acknowledge or deny" who paid for the ad.

What they must do is disclaim (i.e., deny) that a candidate paid for the ad. That is the correct usage of the word 'disclaim.'

[Matt Collins]

You're still using the word 'disclaim' wrongly.



What you are saying is they must "refuse to acknowledge or deny" who paid for the ad.

What they must do is disclaim (i.e., deny) that a candidate paid for the ad. That is the correct usage of the word 'disclaim.'The legal definition of that word is different than the regular definition of that word I am sure.

[eduardo89]

The legal definition of that word is different than the regular definition of that word I am sure.

A disclaimer is a denial or renunciation of something. A disclaimer may be the act of a party by which be refuses to accept of an estate which has been conveyed to him. Disclaimer may apply to a denial of responsibility for another's claim, such as an insurance company's refusal to admit coverage under an insurance policy. A disclaimer may be a statement of non-responsibility, such as to a product warranty or to limit confusion with a competing product to avoid unfair competition or trademark infringement.

[William Tell]

The legal definition of that word is different than the regular definition of that word I am sure.

Here you go

disclaimer
n. 1) denial or renunciation by someone of his/her title to property. 2) denial of responsibility for another's claim, such as an insurance company's refusal to admit coverage under an insurance policy. 3) statement of non-responsibility, as is made when dissolving a partnership or business.
http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=528

[HOLLYWOOD]

Keep telling everyone, Politics is deceitful Marketing and Sales. Voting is by TV and Radio... liking; heroes, idols, and celebrities. Blame it on Brett Farve! LOL

Here's the latest rag print from clown media in Alexandria, VA

POLITICO has a BS piece... but near the end, they finally get to some meat, here's the text. http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/how-thad-cochrans-campaign-pulled-it-off-108276_Page2.html

NOTE the interview/mentioning with former Congressman Chip Pickering (R-MS) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_Pickering), who's now another LEECH within the Washington DC beltway at COMPTEL (http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/comptel-names-former-congressman-chip-pickering-as-new-ceo-1859615.htm).

http://media.marketwire.com/attachments/201107/7040_COMPTEL2011Logo.jpghttp://www.quickmeme.com/img/e8/e8b059db299171713f40a941535a5e88456616d2784ce8b0cc 69335de0013f15.jpg


...But if McDaniel and his allies view Cochran’s victory as something of a stolen prize, strategists involved in the race say the challenger deserves a significant share of the blame himself.


Where Cochran’s campaign had a clearly-defined battle plan for the runoff, McDaniel’s efforts often seemed listless and haphazard. His sales pitch often sounded defensive, caught up in rebutting Cochran’s attacks against him – that McDaniel would cut off federal funding for public education, for instance, or that he would be an uncertain vote on emergency storm relief.


Outside spending in the race was close to even, but much of the TV money for McDaniel was spent in sloppy or inefficient ways. While he enjoyed heavy support from the national Club for Growth and the Senate Conservatives Fund, McDaniel also saw the airwaves crowded by screwball, out-of-right field ads by groups seeking to link Cochran to the release of Taliban prisoners from Guantanamo, or using the sound effects of bleating sheep to mock Cochran for a remark about “indecent” activities with animals. He spent valuable time campaigning with politically marginal figures like former game-show host Chuck Woolery.

And when it came to heavy-duty surrogates, the Cochran gang had a bigger name to bring in than the onetime host of “Love Connection.”

The idea came to Chip Pickering on the evening of June 12. The former Mississippi congressman was sitting in the Hay-Adams Hotel with Tom Donohue, the head of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, and Scott Reed, the Chamber’s top political strategist. A dogged operative who hates to lose, Donohue pressed his colleagues for fresh ideas on how to help Cochran.

It was Pickering, now the head of a telecom trade association, who first mentioned the former Green Bay Packers quarterback. The Chamber had aired ads in the Georgia Senate race featuring football giant Herschel Walker – why not call upon Favre, a Gulfport native who now lives and coaches in the Magnolia State?

What ensued was a whirlwind mission to find Favre. Finally locating Favre in Seattle, where his wife was climbing Mount Rainier, Pickering pitched him via text message and spoke the following Monday. A camera crew was at Favre’s house shortly after dawn the next morning, taping the star athlete advocating for Cochran’s reelection and praising his record on education and storm relief. The ad was cut, approved and on TV little more than 24 hours later.

By the weekend before the runoff, the Chamber was spending about $100,000 a day on the race and running the Favre ad wall-to-wall in Mississippi, in a last-ditch effort to break through the clutter on local TV stations and win both wavering Republicans and so-called “Reagan Democrats” over to the Cochran cause.

Pickering says the ad “turned the momentum on the air” while Cochran’s campaign and the super PAC “won it on the ground.” Speaking after polls closed Tuesday night, he hailed the outcome of the race as a glorious moment for Mississippi, estimating that “somewhere between 25- and 35,000 crossover votes made the difference here.”

“To see Thad win with the coalition he put together on the 50th anniversary of the Freedom Summer – it’s great for the state. It’s great for the party,” Pickering said, referring to the landmark civil rights efforts of 1964. “There was also a great concern that we didn’t want to see our state go backward, as far as the reputation that we have, the progress that we’ve made. There was a concern that McDaniel would hurt the state.”
For a time, the ex-congressman explained, “We were kind of the battleground for the soul of the Republican Party.”

[pcosmar]

Vote for the Dem running against him.. Worst case scenario,, you get someone as equally corrupt (but without the years of connections)
They may (on an odd chance) even be marginally better.
And you can oppose them immediately afterward. Replace them next election.

Get this guy out of office at all costs. :mad:

[AuH20]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/breaking-mcdaniel-supporters-barred-from-reviewing-voter-rolls-in-three-mississippi-counties/

[Matt Collins]

A disclaimer is a denial or renunciation of something. A disclaimer may be the act of a party by which be refuses to accept of an estate which has been conveyed to him. Disclaimer may apply to a denial of responsibility for another's claim, such as an insurance company's refusal to admit coverage under an insurance policy. A disclaimer may be a statement of non-responsibility, such as to a product warranty or to limit confusion with a competing product to avoid unfair competition or trademark infringement.

Here you go


I can't help that the federal government misuses language

[HOLLYWOOD]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/breaking-mcdaniel-supporters-barred-from-reviewing-voter-rolls-in-three-mississippi-counties/


WTF? RICO felonies from beginning to end with these establishment Cochran criminals... filthy rotten scumbags vying for political power and elitist stature

[RandallFan]

Many of the 35,000 voted in the Dem Primary. They didn't just bus in people who have no interest in political primaries. Maybe a few relatives of those who voted in the Dem Primary tagged along.

[eduardo89]

I can't help that the federal government misuses language

They don't, you do.

What the disclaimer does is disclaim affiliation, approval, and financing by a political candidate. Or it declaims the independence of the ad from the candidate.

[William Tell]

I can't help that the federal government misuses language

What?:eek: Where do you get your definition? Here, I just went back to Websters 1828:




16346 (http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/disclaim)
disclaim (http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/disclaim)
DISCLAIM, v. t. [dis and claim. ]1. To disown; to disavow; to deny the possession of; to reject as not belonging to ones self. A man disclaims all knowledge (http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/disclaim)


16347 (http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/disclaimation)
disclaimation (http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/disclaimation)
DISCLAIMATION, n. The act of disclaiming; a disavowing. [Not used. ] (http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/disclaimation)


16348 (http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/disclaimed)
disclaimed (http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/disclaimed)
DISCLAIMED, pp. Disowned; disavowed; rejected; denied. (http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/disclaimed)


16349 (http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/disclaimer)
disclaimer (http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/disclaimer)
DISCLAIMER, n. 1. A person who disclaims, disowns or renounces. 2. In law, an express or implied denial by a tenant that he holds an estate of his lord; a (http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/disclaimer)


16350 (http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/disclaiming)
disclaiming (http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/disclaiming)
DISCLAIMING, ppr. Disowning; disavowing; denying; renouncing. (http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/disclaiming)


http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/search/word,Disclaim

[Occam's Banana]

They don't, you do.

What the disclaimer does is disclaim affiliation, approval, and financing by a political candidate. Or it declaims the independence of the ad from the candidate.


What?:eek: Where do you get your definition? Here, I just went back to Websters 1828:

LOL. Just give up, guys. Teh Collinz is never wrong.
Only "riff-raff" malcontents could think otherwise ...

[Voluntarist]

xxxxx

[compromise]

Your spin powers are always at work. There is a big difference between what you said, "He reportedly hasn't attended any NRSC meetings." And what the article you linked says, "He hasn’t set foot in the NRSC in more than a year, sources say."

I edited in the link later, as you can see. The initial statement was a recollection of something I vaguely remembered from an article a few months ago.