F35 Mission = SPEND MONEY! 1950's MiG21 will whip it, 1940's radar will see it

[presence]

According to the Pierre Sprey, co-designer of the F-16, the F35 is a turkey. Inherently, a terrible airplane. An airplane built for a dumb idea. A kludge that will fail time and time again. Just impossibly hopeless. And judging from the bajillion times the F-35 fleet has been grounded, well, he's probably not wrong. It's a trillion dollar failure. Watch Sprey eviscerate (http://digg.com/video/the-designer-of-the-f-15-explains-just-how-inanely-stupid-the-f-35-is) the F-35 in the video below.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mxDSiwqM2nw

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/the-designer-of-the-f-16-explains-why-the-f-35-is-such-1591828468

[Henry Rogue]

Aardvark.

[Henry Rogue]

Sprey makes an interesting point about the lift fan creating a fat center section. It made me think of the Area Rule. The F-102 's performance was below expectations. What the F-102 lacked was the Coke Bottle shaped fuselage that is used in the rest of the Century Series and the F-4, F-5 etcetera or the Blended Wing Body design used in F-16, B-1 etcetera.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_rule


Sprey probably has a good idea of the F-35's capabilities, John Boyd and Tom Christie developed the Energy–maneuverability theory.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy%E2%80%93maneuverability_theory

[youngbuck]

Filling the coffers of the MIC. It'll continue until the US is utterly bankrupt.

[TheCount]

"Pierre Sprey's Anti-F-35 Diatribe is Half Brilliant and Half Bullshit"
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/pierre-spreys-anti-f-35-diatribe-is-half-brilliant-and-1592445665

[Henry Rogue]

"Pierre Sprey's Anti-F-35 Diatribe is Half Brilliant and Half Bullshit"
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/pierre-spreys-anti-f-35-diatribe-is-half-brilliant-and-1592445665
Yeah, I read that article yesterday. In fact I book marked it, thinking about responding to it, foxtrot alfa has some points, but is off the mark on others.

[TheCount]

As always, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Me, personally, I think if use of the F-35B can replace three CVNs with LHDs, it'll more than pay for itself. Way more.

[Henry Rogue]

The state's war machines don't pay for themselves, Society pays for them through taxes, devaluation of the dollar and loss of goods/services that otherwise would be. Not to mention loss of blood and Liberty.

[TheCount]

The state's war machines don't pay for themselves, Society pays for them through taxes, devaluation of the dollar and loss of goods/services that otherwise would be. Not to mention loss of blood and Liberty.

Yes, yes. As wonderful as the concept of having the country go cold turkey on the MIC is, it's completely unrealistic. We're entering a swing towards 'isolationism' (read: not bombing the fuck out of everyone everywhere) where we will have the opportunity to convince the American people that maybe we could get by with fewer carriers... fewer nukes... fewer everything. My hope is that this can become a loop. Fewer means of projecting American military power leads to fewer 'interventions,' which leads to Americans seeing that the world doesn't instantly fall to pieces if we stop meddling... which leads to lower military expenditures, continuing the loop.

Any improvement is better than nothing.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Filling the coffers of the MIC. It'll continue until the US is utterly bankrupt.
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-FhVkp2nEQlU%2FTt-e9KZpUaI%2FAAAAAAAAMv8%2F_x__iqmPrw4%2Fs1600%2Fcor porate-fascism.jpg&f=1

[Henry Rogue]

Yes, yes. As wonderful as the concept of having the country go cold turkey on the MIC is, it's completely unrealistic. We're entering a swing towards 'isolationism' (read: not bombing the fuck out of everyone everywhere) where we will have the opportunity to convince the American people that maybe we could get by with fewer carriers... fewer nukes... fewer everything. My hope is that this can become a loop. Fewer means of projecting American military power leads to fewer 'interventions,' which leads to Americans seeing that the world doesn't instantly fall to pieces if we stop meddling... which leads to lower military expenditures, continuing the loop.

Any improvement is better than nothing.
I read isolationism as policies of sanctions, embargoes, blockades, trade barriers, travel barriers, closed boarders and war. The U.S. has had a policy of isolation against Cuba for 54 years. The wealth of a nation determines its ability to project itself.
The Paradox of Imperialism
http://mises.org/daily/6775/Higgs-Hoppe-and-the-Cycle-of-the-State

[TheCount]

I read isolationism as policies of sanctions, embargoes, blockades, trade barriers, travel barriers, closed boarders and war. The U.S. has had a policy of isolation against Cuba for 54 years. The wealth of a nation determines its ability to project itself.
The Paradox of Imperialism
http://mises.org/daily/6775/Higgs-Hoppe-and-the-Cycle-of-the-State

I was being sarcastic. See this: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?454571-Cheney-Pours-Cold-Water-On-Rand-Paul-2016-%91Isolationism-Doesn%92t-Work%92&p=5573415#post5573415

[Henry Rogue]

Well, even if we are in agreement and my words are wasted on you, maybe I put a thought into some nsa analyst somewhere. ;)

[HOLLYWOOD]

GROUNDED!
http://www.stripes.com/news/entire-f-35-fleet-grounded-after-fighter-jet-catches-fire-during-takeoff-1.290867
Entire F-35 fleet grounded after fighter jet catches fire during takeoff

By W.J. Hennigan
Los Angeles Times
Published: June 26, 2014







http://www.stripes.com/polopoly_fs/1.290868.1403833882%21/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_240/image.jpg (http://www.stripes.com/polopoly_fs/1.290868.1403833882%21/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_804/image.jpg) An F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter taxis across the 33rd Fighter Wing flightline at Eglin Air Force Base, Florida, on July 14, 2011.
Samuel King/U.S. Air Force



South Korea to buy 40 F-35 fighter jets from Lockheed Martin (http://www.stripes.com/news/us/south-korea-to-buy-40-f-35-fighter-jets-from-lockheed-martin-1.274300) South Korea has formally decided to purchase 40 F-35 stealth fighter jets for $6.7 billion, South Korea and Lockheed Martin officials announced Monday.




In the latest setback for the Pentagon’s nearly $400 billion F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program, the U.S. military has grounded all of the fighter jets from flight operations after one of them caught fire at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida earlier this week.
Flights had been expected to resume the day after Monday’s mishap, but the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps decided to suspend all F-35 operations until it was determined that flights could resume safely.
A safety board has begun investigating the incident to determine the cause.
Early Monday, one of the Air Force’s radar-evading, supersonic fighter jets caught fire before takeoff. The pilot left the aircraft uninjured, officials said.
The aircraft was preparing to take off on a training mission but aborted when flames appeared in the rear of the aircraft. Emergency responders extinguished the fire with foam, according to an Air Force statement.
The 33rd Fighter Wing at Eglin provides training for F-35 pilots and mechanics for the Marine Corps, Navy and Air Force. The wing commander there stopped flights as a precautionary measure, but flights had continued elsewhere around the country.
More than 100 F-35s are in service at bases around the nation.
The decision to ground all F-35 flights was made Wednesday afternoon as more information became available, according to F-35 spokeswoman Kyra P. Hawn in the military’s Joint Program Office.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtYV6YulPFw

[kcchiefs6465]

I wonder what tapeworm gave this thread one star.