Let Iraq Disintegrate - Michael Scheuer

[Todd]

Let Iraq disintegrate, America must not re-intervene

By mike (http://non-intervention.com/)

The media’s frenzy over the Sunni mujahedin advance toward Baghdad is a stark reminder to all Americans of the dire costs exacted from them by the U.S. government’s unnecessary interventions in the affairs of other countries and peoples. Today’s stories from Iraq underline the total waste flowing from the 2003 U.S. intervention in Iraq, the costs of which exceed $1 trillion, 5,000 dead U.S. service personnel, many more thousands of soldiers and Marines wounded and maimed, and an unending and apparently un-endable war with the Muslim world.

It was easy, from the start, to see where U.S. intervention in Iraq would lead. Even a dumbass like myself correctly predicted the mess we are now seeing there in the substance of several books published between 2002 and 2011. Such predictions were not rocket science, a little knowledge of human nature and history were all a person needed to know that today’s events were all but inevitable. And if you did not have time for studying human nature or history, you merely had to recall what the Founding Father’s said about the unavoidable lethal consequences for the American nation that would flow from unnecessary U.S. intervention abroad.

In a nutshell, here is what the bipartisan U.S. interventionists and Neoconservatives — remember Hillary Clinton, Joe Lieberman, and most pro-Israel Democrats wanted war — managed in the space of little more than a decade.

–1.) They took a stable and effectively if brutally governed Iraq and destroyed it, and had nothing in hand or mind to maintain that status quo ante.

Continued: By mike (http://non-intervention.com/)

[TruckinMike]

Nice rant:)

[libertyjam]

but, but, I thought this was the goal all along? I mean it was documented in the 90's that Iraq was to be dissolved and let slit up into 3 zones, they couldn't do it diplomatically so now they are letting the factions do it themselves?

[THX 1138]

Nice rant:)



That is no mere "rant". That is a well-articulated statement of FACTS.

[HOLLYWOOD]

But... But... But... All the Military/Security Industrial Complex advertise on the airwaves, "A Global Force of Good" :rolleyes:



You Take the Profit Out of War and Intervention, Then There Will Be Peace -- HOLLYWOOD

[CaptUSA]

Yeah, right! If you do that, the Middle East will become a breeding ground for terrori...

Oh wait.

[Wolfgang Bohringer]

Perhaps the current disaster in Iraq will show whether his Senator-son is a chip of the old block

Fat chance. Rand will keep the trillions pouring into the MIC. But this is fine. He would look even sillier trying to back peddle on his neo-con platform of the past 4 years. Rand will continue to be just another republicrat suggesting how the trillions should be divvied up.


or an acquiescent interventionist willing to tack in any direction necessary to have a shot at the presidency.

The 2016 presidential debate will be presented by TV as a contest between various republicrats each with his own war plan on how to drone, incinerate, and tazer the world including U.S. subjects into compliance.

I can see it now: The centerpiece of Hillary's war strategy will be something like putting 100,000 drones on the streets of Bagdad and Jerusalem. Newt Gingrich will throw his hat into the ring again and his gimmick will be building the cone of silence over Jerusalem. Rand--the libertarian--will propose building a cone of silence over D.C. and putting 100,000 smart drones and MRAPs on the Mexican border with instant access to the IRS's no-work/no-travel biometric databases.

[Peace&Freedom]

Fat chance. Rand will keep the trillions pouring into the MIC. But this is fine. He would look even sillier trying to back peddle on his neo-con platform of the past 4 years. Rand will continue to be just another republicrat suggesting how the trillions should be divvied up.

...Rand--the libertarian--will propose building a cone of silence over D.C. and putting 100,000 smart drones and MRAPs on the Mexican border with instant access to the IRS's no-work/no-travel biometric databases.

Rand's rhetorical platform is different from his voting record, he has followed a "neo-con words and gestures, libertarian substance" route to finesse his way into office. Time will tell if this works, but it means we should not take seriously that any hawkish stances he has expressed in interviews or speeches will be reflected in his final policies.

[Ronin Truth]

Let it go. It's just a bogus made up country anyway. Muslims killing Muslims is very entertaining.

[Wolfgang Bohringer]

he has followed a "neo-con words and gestures, libertarian substance" route to finesse his way into office. Time will tell if this works.

Its working great and it will continue to work great for whatever purpose Rand has in mind. But you missed my point which was that there will only be neo-con and other pro-MIC words and gestures from Rand and all the others during the 2016 debate.

The worse Rand's words and gestures the better at this point because if he keeps sneaking in and saying 1 good thing for every 20 rotten things, then it will continue to fool people like Scheuer into thinking that Rand might all of a sudden turn into Ron and then we won't need a Ron-caliber candidate to sneak into the 2016 debates and get libertarian words and gestures onto the stage like what happened in 2008 and 2012.

Actual hard-core libertarian non-interventionist words and gestures had NEVER been allowed on national TV debates in U.S. history until they were snuck in in 2008. The words and gestures were so powerful that they caused TV media and the other candidates to over-react which in turn sparked the Love-o-lution.

So Rand is as relevant to spreading libertarian ideas on war, peace, and the MIC as Hillary and Newt Gingrich. He may be a semi-fellow traveler who will vote the right way when it really counts or not. But he is completely irrelevant to the Love-o-lution which is currently soliciting for a 2016 republican presidential candidate who will use Ron Paul-like words and gestures.

[Pericles]

+1

[Peace&Freedom]

Its working great and it will continue to work great for whatever purpose Rand has in mind. But you missed my point which was that there will only be neo-con and other pro-MIC words and gestures from Rand and all the others during the 2016 debate.

After two election cycles of getting the real libertarian word out and winning the GOP debates, but not winning a single primary, a lot of us see the end game as getting at least somewhat libertarian policy into the White House. The pander game is one way to try to get there (or not--we'll know by June '16 if Rand's plan works). Concentrating on cable TV debates is majoring in the minors.

[ONUV]

he posted another Iraq article today. he needs to be all over fox news, cnn, etc but they don't want the truth to get out.

http://non-intervention.com/1223/damn-iraq-start-caring-for-america-first/