The Univision Debate in Miami, FL

[AlexMerced]

Man... I havn't watch Univision since freshman year, my family raised me on it :). I'll probably try to catch this debate, it should be interesting to see how the candidates due answering questions on the Laitno Agenda.

Is there any rallys being planned for this, Trevor, this is your neck of the woods any chance of a public address?

Well this could be a big voting block to win, I'm pretty sure Tancredo isn't in this one, of course.

Lol, remember at the dem debate when Dodd tried to score points by randomly talking spanish... pandering is annoying.

[AlexMerced]

No one cares about this debate, I think this might be one of the best debate oppurtunities yet, I know it'll make or break his vote with a lot ofmy family. I already got my mom and brother, but the rest of my family are very moderate and usally get all their news from Univision.

Oh well, lol, I guess it is in Spanish so I assume a lot of people won't be able to follow it, but that's agood thing it'll be a lot of NEW faces being exposed to Paul like with the Morgan State Debate.

Too bad there isn't an LGB station (Bravo?), with the statistics that Bradley posted in the new section that would be a good oppurtunity. I wonder if the Advocate would be willing to interview Ron paul, anyone familiar with if that magazine does that kind of content?

[Stealth]

yeah there's something going on there. check the miami dade meetup group

[AlexMerced]

sweet, you know what's even better, no Huckabee at this debate, woot woot!

with two candidates gone, especially media darling huckabee, it means I actually might be optimistic about more face time for Paul, especially among the fastest growing electorate!!!

[ronpaulyourmom]

I find it hard to believe that Huckabee will decide not to show up. He probably still has time to change his mind.

[AlexMerced]

he has 8 days, I doubt it

at least Alan Keyes didn't try to get in on it, though that probably be amusing.

Sadly Ron Paul will probably lose a lot of oomph in translation.

[Lord Xar]

i would never watch univision. they promote all sorts of divisivness and non-assimiliation.

I just hope the candidates don't pander and all of sudden get "soft".. I am huckabee will be right at home..

[MadTheologian]

Too bad there isn't an LGB station (Bravo?), with the statistics that Bradley posted in the new section that would be a good oppurtunity. I wonder if the Advocate would be willing to interview Ron paul, anyone familiar with if that magazine does that kind of content?

Logo is one LGBT channel that you can get on cable or satellite.

Why not contact them to see if they can interview Dr Paul? Imagine the possibilities of this segment who will more than happy to hear this message of "Equal Rights for All, Special Privileges for None."

[Danny Molina]

Will it be hosted by Don Fransisco? That would be great!

[MadTheologian]

Will it be hosted by Don Fransisco? That would be great!

Can you imagine the executioner-looking guy with the trumpet blowing "Dixie" after 60 seconds? :D I'll be tuning in that debate if they include that guy.

[Starks]

Tancredo really hates Latinos. He doesn't want to even answer their questions.

[jorger]

The Miami group is definitely planing something =)

all details at the Monday meetup.

This is going to be one busy week down here. We are going to own the U.

[AlexMerced]

The guy is called el Jackal I think, my mom would always chant "Fuera" when I'd play guitar around the house, memories. it'd probably be hosted by Cristina (the Latino oprah), she did it last time. Don Francisco (The latino Bob Barker) would be more awesome, long as it's Raul De Molina that Paparazzi douche.

No matter how you feel about the channel, the women on the station are top notch :), i've been tomany of these countries and none of these women are in site. I've already thought there was a beutiful women factory univison apparently owns cause they is a vast disparity from Univison and ALL other tv channels in this category.

Yeah, this debate would be up Huckabees ally which is why I'm surprised, I think he's probably doing it for the same reason as Tancredo, to not seem soft on immigration.

Univison being anti-assimilation, I always kinda of had the opposite point of view, I though it was a great conduit to aid in cultural transition. I guess since I'm a first generation citizen, I have a different perspective on the function of media like this in helping people adapt to new cultures.

Either way, the welfare state must end

[Madcat455]

When is the debate?? Sounds like it'd be interesting to see.

[jorger]

The debate is on Sunday December 9th at the University of Miami, 7 PM EST.

[0zzy]

will I be able to understand what they're saying?

[chrismatthews]

will I be able to understand what they're saying?


There should be an english version of SAP, and you can understand the candidates of course.

[AlexMerced]

you can understand, but there will and translater super imposed over them talking but if you focus enough you can screen out the translater and listen to candidates.

This should be reaaaaally interesting, I doubt Giuliani and Romney can really survive this one.

[daniroyer]

I'm in Miami and I do know the group is planning some fun activities.

We're taking the whole family out for this. We won't have RP shirts for the kids in time, but I think some homemade ones will add the "cute" touch. And older hispanic women ADORE my oldest son (apparently, he's "Aye, que lindo!"), so he'll certainly get the message out!

It should be a good day!

I'm personally don't see why they're having a debate in Spanish though. I mean, I know WHY; to pander to a specific demographic. However, you have to be a citizen to vote. To become a citizen, you are either born here (which gave you 18 years to learn English) or you passed the citizenship test (which requires you to speak English fluently). Knowing that, why do you need to debate in Spanish? And why only Spanish? Why not Creole/French or in Hindi (there is a pretty large Indian population in Miami)?

Yes, I can forgive a bit since I know many immigrants aren't confident in the language skills. While visiting NYC many years ago, a Japanese girl who spoke fluent English tagged along with me the whole trip because she was afraid her English wasn't good enough. >.<

It just bugs me. *shrugs* But, it's another chance to pimp RP so I can get over it.

(And yes, as a former ESOL tutor, I can say one of the biggest problems preventing many older hispanic immigrants from learning English is Univision and other Spanish stations. It makes it too easy to just fall back into the old and not practice the new language. By my last semester, the professor I worked under started putting "DO NOT WATCH SPANISH LANGUAGE TELEVISION UNLESS IT'S AN EMERGENCY" in the curriculum.)

[Lord Xar]

Tancredo really hates Latinos. He doesn't want to even answer their questions.

that is completely not true. I am 100% in Tancredos court on his stance on illegal immigration. His stances are not derived by hate or bigotry.

[Lord Xar]

The guy is called el Jackal I think, my mom would always chant "Fuera" when I'd play guitar around the house, memories. it'd probably be hosted by Cristina (the Latino oprah), she did it last time. Don Francisco (The latino Bob Barker) would be more awesome, long as it's Raul De Molina that Paparazzi douche.

No matter how you feel about the channel, the women on the station are top notch :), i've been tomany of these countries and none of these women are in site. I've already thought there was a beutiful women factory univison apparently owns cause they is a vast disparity from Univison and ALL other tv channels in this category.

Yeah, this debate would be up Huckabees ally which is why I'm surprised, I think he's probably doing it for the same reason as Tancredo, to not seem soft on immigration.

Univison being anti-assimilation, I always kinda of had the opposite point of view, I though it was a great conduit to aid in cultural transition. I guess since I'm a first generation citizen, I have a different perspective on the function of media like this in helping people adapt to new cultures.

Either way, the welfare state must end

Univisions WHOLE market is primary spanish speakers.. if they promote assimiliation, there goes their market. No, I have some stories about univision and there need to promote and want primary spanish speaking culture here in America. THEY NEED SPANISH SPEAKERS to keep their bottom line growing, you don't do that by wanting assimiliation....

[AlexMerced]

I'm in Miami and I do know the group is planning some fun activities.

We're taking the whole family out for this. We won't have RP shirts for the kids in time, but I think some homemade ones will add the "cute" touch. And older hispanic women ADORE my oldest son (apparently, he's "Aye, que lindo!"), so he'll certainly get the message out!

It should be a good day!

I'm personally don't see why they're having a debate in Spanish though. I mean, I know WHY; to pander to a specific demographic. However, you have to be a citizen to vote. To become a citizen, you are either born here (which gave you 18 years to learn English) or you passed the citizenship test (which requires you to speak English fluently). Knowing that, why do you need to debate in Spanish? And why only Spanish? Why not Creole/French or in Hindi (there is a pretty large Indian population in Miami)?

Yes, I can forgive a bit since I know many immigrants aren't confident in the language skills. While visiting NYC many years ago, a Japanese girl who spoke fluent English tagged along with me the whole trip because she was afraid her English wasn't good enough. >.<

It just bugs me. *shrugs* But, it's another chance to pimp RP so I can get over it.

(And yes, as a former ESOL tutor, I can say one of the biggest problems preventing many older hispanic immigrants from learning English is Univision and other Spanish stations. It makes it too easy to just fall back into the old and not practice the new language. By my last semester, the professor I worked under started putting "DO NOT WATCH SPANISH LANGUAGE TELEVISION UNLESS IT'S AN EMERGENCY" in the curriculum.)

On the flipside I've met many Spanish majors who became fluent thanks to immersion through tv stations like this, there are other foreign language stations. Unvision being on basic cable is essentially a function of the free market and supply and demand.

I agree you need to learn english to function in america, but if can have competiting currencies, why not competing languages (rhetorical question, I understand the implications of not having communication standards).


PLUS: Just cause you can't vote doesn't mean you can't help support RP by going to rallys and getting voters registered. I know my mom has done her part to get family members who can vote to be aware of Ron Paul. Another point is this is great for people like my grandma who is taken care of by her kids and is still big opinion leader to them.

You don't always need to be direct to get votes, like that 14 year old kid who told made his Dad a supporter in the video of Carlson at the rally.


Every supporter contributes, every supporter is welcome, this is a forum with a lot exposure, and due to it's uniquenewsss it's filtered some of the clutter which is to our benefit.

A debate hosted by the Arab community would be great, but you know the top tier candidates wouldn't touch it with a 10ft poll. This debate is the same idea as having the value voters debate, why was it not an issue when they had that debate, that was just as much pandering to a voter block.

[AlexMerced]

Univisions WHOLE market is primary spanish speakers.. if they promote assimiliation, there goes their market. No, I have some stories about univision and there need to promote and want primary spanish speaking culture here in America. THEY NEED SPANISH SPEAKERS to keep their bottom line growing, you don't do that by wanting assimiliation....

Trust me, they have pretty big market with the etirety of Latin America, they would do just fine even if you cut out the US market even though they are based out of miami.

I mean I think being BIlingual is something that is important to the US economy, except probably mandarin chinese is a little more important than spanish in that regard. Though don't let them fool you, the Mexican economy is supposed tobe on the rise so it'll rise in importance.

Like we expect foreign business men to know english when they come here for meetings, I think it fair we learn languages if we go to their countries to do business with them. Plus it creates new jobs for translators.

Plus, we should promote Multi-Linguinstics, although I am against Federal documents Federal language stuff, cause that is enabling. Multi-lingual Atms and tv stations are just vying for niche audiences.

[Lord Xar]

being bi-linqual is cool. BUT, one can be bilingual in many languages besides Spanish. Plus, being proficient in Spanish, but talking like 5th grader in english is not really "bilingual" - especially when you "live" in the United States.

I use to be a teacher. Our schools are awash with disgrace because of this idea of pandering and nonassimiliation and political correctness. Bi-lingual education is a travesty and now we have our leaders catering to a segment of the population that consider "spanish" their primary language.. uhmmm, not cool.

Why not have a debate in cantonese or italian? I would much rather see another debate in English, and I am sure American citizens would too.

When you are a business, it doesn't matter if you cater to one market and use that as a basis to say "they don't need the business (in other markets)". Of course they do. Univision will NOT promote "learn english" programming for fear of losing viewers. C'mon, even you know this. If you are business selling pepsi , you ain't gonna promote coke. You will do whatever you can to have people want pepsi. Business 101. "some" people using the channel to help them learn is probably about .01% of the viewing audience.

Also, competing "languages"... that is ridiculous. Language is a culture and you cannot have dual cultures or else you have balkanization and EXACTLY what you having going on now... one huge group not assimliliating and creating a plethora of issues for the host country.

[chrismatthews]

being bi-linqual is cool. BUT, one can be bilingual in many languages besides Spanish. Plus, being proficient in Spanish, but talking like 5th grader in english is not really "bilingual" - especially when you "live" in the United States.

I use to be a teacher. Our schools are awash with disgrace because of this idea of pandering and nonassimiliation and political correctness. Bi-lingual education is a travesty and now we have our leaders catering to a segment of the population that consider "spanish" their primary language.. uhmmm, not cool.

Why not have a debate in cantonese or italian? I would much rather see another debate in English, and I am sure American citizens would too.

When you are a business, it doesn't matter if you cater to one market and use that as a basis to say "they don't need the business (in other markets)". Of course they do. Univision will NOT promote "learn english" programming for fear of losing viewers. C'mon, even you know this. If you are business selling pepsi , you ain't gonna promote coke. You will do whatever you can to have people want pepsi. Business 101. "some" people using the channel to help them learn is probably about .01% of the viewing audience.

Also, competing "languages"... that is ridiculous. Language is a culture and you cannot have dual cultures or else you have balkanization and EXACTLY what you having going on now... one huge group not assimliliating and creating a plethora of issues for the host country.


The reality is that a portion of the electorate, whether they speak english or not, would prefer to hear a campaign in spanish. Univision serves that constituency.

As for the political issue, i won't argue one way or the other, but as for the event, it's a good opportunity and we should take advantage of it.

[MRoCkEd]

Cool!
I hope to become fluent in spanish, so I will try to understand the translation


Ron Paul: Tenemos que proteger la libertad!

[xerigen]

The United States does not have an official language. Just because it's been predominantly English forever doesn't make it wrong to use a different language. I support strong borders, but I think Tancredo not attending is racist.

[AlexMerced]

I would say it's racist, but it's kinda going on the assumption that the audience is filled with illegals which is kinda wrong. I do think you should be able to speakfluent english, but yeah, technically there is no provision in the constitution protecting english as a primary language. Not all the states and territories of this country have english origins, let's not forget the french, spanish, and other colonized much of this land as well.

[philipsantamaria]

If they bring up Cuban trade embargo policies and Ron speaks his mind, he'll lose a lot of the stubborn old Cuban vote that thinks the only way to defeat Communism is by isolating them, even though the rest of the world trades with them.

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Also,

I'm with all of you that people should at least make an effort to learn English...not everyone will become a good speaker though...especially with political lingo, so I think it's appropriate to have this ONE debate accessible so people who are beginning their track for American citizenship or who are not yet proficient with English enough to follow American politics in English can have a good step into the whole process.

Let me add that there are not many Mexicans in Miami, everyone. There is a lot of recent immigration from South American countries like Venezuela and Colombia...but it's not usually illegal immigration. But, Cuban-Americans and other "whites" pretty much make the majority. Most of the Cuban population has been here for decades. And for those who haven't been exposed to Cuban culture, Cubans in Miami are overwhelmingly of European descent, with small pockets of Afro-Cuban. Many friends who have visited Miami and approached random people expecting them to speak English because they look like any other citizen of the country... my dad's side has a lot of Blondes, Red heads...and light eyes for example.

With every generation, Cubans have become assimilated and have balanced their Cuban Heritage WITH the new American traditions.

[AlexMerced]

I agree, everybody forgets about central/south america, I'm half guatemala and all my amily is llegal, but it's the least they could do since my grandfather Enrique Trinidad oliva was second in commend of the coup with Castillo Armas that took the socialist Arbens in Guatemala, this coup was backed by the CIA. My grandfather and Armas was politically assasinated shortly after, leading to 30 years of war and political unrest.

So yes, government intervention hits really close to home.

So being the grandson of someone who gave his life in an attempt to free his country, I take freedom seriously.

[AlexMerced]

Thread, I bring you back to life

[AlexMerced]

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[daniroyer]

I agree you need to learn english to function in america, but if can have competiting currencies, why not competing languages (rhetorical question, I understand the implications of not having communication standards).

I can see that. Even with Spanish, there's so many dialects. I learned Spanish from a teacher who was from Spain and much of what I was taught wasn't understood by people here in Miami. Hell, with American English too. It took a while for me and my friend from Wisconsin to fully understand each other on some things.



Every supporter contributes, every supporter is welcome, this is a forum with a lot exposure, and due to it's uniquenewsss it's filtered some of the clutter which is to our benefit.

True. You know, it might be a good idea to have an area for discussion in other languages.


A debate hosted by the Arab community would be great, but you know the top tier candidates wouldn't touch it with a 10ft poll.

Now THAT would be a sight to see. Oh, the verbal tap dancing that would follow!

[AlexMerced]

they had forum for the Arab community in Dearborn, MI, Ron Paul was the only candidate from both parties to attend.

Ron Paul respect the individual and their culture, he just won't help or hurt any agenda with the federal government, which we can all get behind

[jnpg]

Alex, I appreciate you. I like your thread :)

[peruvianRP]

That will be an interesting debate. Remember being spanish does not make you an illegal immigrant.

[AlexMerced]

That will be an interesting debate. Remember being spanish does not make you an illegal immigrant.

yep, it doesn't automatically make you mexican either :)

who feels me on that one

[chrismatthews]

yep, it doesn't automatically make you mexican either :)

who feels me on that one


haha, not me, I live in texas so my spanish is passable but my english is great. This is pretty much just a bump for you man, but i appreciate how vigilant you've been for the movement man. I remember when you where kind of feeling it out.

[AlexMerced]

my english is pretty good as well, and my spanish is pretty abysmal, I was joking about how everyone assumes your mexican if your hispanic. Like I'm guatemalan/puerto rican and now when people ask me if I'm mexican I just say "close enough, you get the idea"

Thanks for all the appreciation :)

[angelatc]

that is completely not true. I am 100% in Tancredos court on his stance on illegal immigration. His stances are not derived by hate or bigotry.

Tancredo wants to end all immigration.

[Libertad2008]

my english is pretty good as well, and my spanish is pretty abysmal, I was joking about how everyone assumes your mexican if your hispanic. Like I'm guatemalan/puerto rican and now when people ask me if I'm mexican I just say "close enough, you get the idea"

Thanks for all the appreciation :)

LOL..."close enough" ;)

I have friends from almost every single Latin American country, and Spain, and they all get upset if people call them Mexican (that's assuming that they're not Mexican, of course...)

The other thing that really gets me is when people refer to actual Mexican food/culture, etc. as "Spanish"...hello, they're not even in the same hemisphere! :confused:

Enough ranting...Do you know if the Miami meetup group has any Spanish RP materials to hand out at the rally? I assume that they have a number of Spanish speakers in their group, but people should have something to take with them.

Also, is there a video or transcript of when RP spoke to the Arab-American group?

¡Viva La Revolución! :D

[AlexMerced]

hmmm... Actually Foreign Language Materials wouldn't be a bad idea, I can make up a few spanish flyers, we should work on others like Farsi for arabs and Tagalog Filipinos, there is a uge Filipino population in Cali... hmmmm... I smell a revolution

Somebody spell check this, and I'll make a flyer.


Viva La Revulacion

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[goldenequity]

Alex...
I appreciate where you've taken this.... and moderated as well ;)

As much as Hamas took the Arab American ball and ran with it preceeding the
Michigan AA gathering,

It would seem you have a heart for amping up the Pre-Univision preparation....
a forum member request thread to provide any/all spanish translated flyers/signs/shirts/videos/newpaper ads/inserts/radio spots would be cool.

Not much time.... but maybe a "translated" flyer could work....
If you/anyone could translate the "founders flyer" here:
http://www.ronpaulaudio.com/FF8.5x11CMYKad.pdf (http://www.ronpaulaudio.com/FF8.5x11CMYKad.pdf)

Xar or I could work on getting Linda (maybe) to re-compose the original flyer...... I will check and get back to you.

randy :)

[AlexMerced]

I don't live in Florida anymore, did when I was a child, but yeah even if we can't use them for the debate these flyers will be great tools for some neighborhoods, I know I can make use of them While I'm in Connecticut this next month then in NY afterwards... so much moving around.

[daniroyer]

yep, it doesn't automatically make you mexican either :)

who feels me on that one

Oh, and I can talk hours about that. My friend was Puerto Rican and would scream at anyone who called him Mexican or Cuban.

Another funny story: When my husband's grandma came to town and was speaking Italian to my son (she's trying to expose him to the language) in public, people though she was speaking Spanish dialect and asked her what part of Mexico she was from. You have never seen a p.o.ed old Italian-Jewish woman until you've seen that!


Enough ranting...Do you know if the Miami meetup group has any Spanish RP materials to hand out at the rally? I assume that they have a number of Spanish speakers in their group, but people should have something to take with them.

I'm not sure. Tomorrow is my first meetup with the group. I'm hoping they do because I want to go door-to-door and my area is VERY hispanic. The best conversation they're going to get out of me in Spanish is "Ron Paul es muy bien! Ron Paul por Presidente!"
And I'm sure I'll end up calling them a dirty name my mispronouncing something. Just because I have a good understanding of the language doesn't mean my southern accent will go away when trying to speak it.

[AlexMerced]

Oh, and I can talk hours about that. My friend was Puerto Rican and would scream at anyone who called him Mexican or Cuban.

Another funny story: When my husband's grandma came to town and was speaking Italian to my son (she's trying to expose him to the language) in public, people though she was speaking Spanish dialect and asked her what part of Mexico she was from. You have never seen a p.o.ed old Italian-Jewish woman until you've seen that!

that endears me

[AlexMerced]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/alexmerced/SpanishFlyer2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/alexmerced/SpanishFlyer-1.jpg

[AlexMerced]

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[AlexMerced]

http://causeoffreedom.blogspot.com/2007/12/12-immigration-and-language-barrier.html

read blog post

[filmmaker58]

Talking points for the Univision debate. I expect the border, immigration, and the war on drugs will be major topics of discussion. Our bordertowns are becoming overrun with drug dealers and there is a major presence of the Drug cartel's private army there. there are kidnappings and murders of anyone who opposes them. Our government is giving the Mexican Government a billion dollars to fight the problem on their side of the border, even while anyone who lives there knows that the Mexican government is a big part of the problem.

Ron Paul's solution of legalizing drugs is the fastest, and best way to solve the problem. The laws of supply and demand would immediately go into effect, and there would be more drugs than there would be buyers, and almost overnight there would be no money in it anymore. People who use Marijuana would start growing their own, and all of the crimes against innocents would be reduced drastically because the drugs would be cheap and legal.

Thousands if innocents are stolen from, or are victims of violent crimes as a direct result of this war on drugs. If drugs were legal, usage might go up slightly, but I would rather see people voluntarily destroying their lives, than innocents having their lives destroyed by drug crimes.

The billions we spend on law enforcement could be then allocated to crimes with victims, and crime prevention programs.

Immigration. When you subsidize something, you get more of it. When illegals are able to take advantage of government programs, they are encouraged to do it. So instead of supporting the ones that want to come here, work hard and improve their lives, we are rewarding the ones who want to come here and take advantage of the system. Streamline the system for those who want to come here legally, and take away the reards for illegals.

The Border. The border needs to be secure. There is such a flow of people and goods coming across the border that it's rediculous to think that we are serious about security. We invaded a country in order to be "safer" and yet our borders are wide open. This is absurd. Secure our borders, and bring our troops home. we'll be a lot safer.

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[TheIndependent]

Huckster not showing up at this debate will prove to be one of the most obvious vulnerabilities of his campaign down the road.

[Karsten]

que?

[Mark Rushmore]

we should work on others like Farsi for arabs

I think the Arabs might resent that ;).

[libertythor]

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I do about 10 minutes of commentary in Spanish every show, but that will increase as we get more Spanish-speaking listeners.

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[Tarabell952]

I live in Miami, so I got tickets to the debate. I'll let you guys know how it went! I can't wait!

[Goldwater Conservative]

Just because I think it's worth mentioning, Tancredo is a lot more popular down here than a lot of people might think (even if many are afraid to admit that they agree with him). There is a definite culture clash in Miami between old guard Cubans and the new ones, and there are similar rifts when you look at the rapidly growing Central/South American communities (some of it being racial, considering that Hispanic is an ethnicity that encompasses whites, blacks, those of indigenous origin, and even some Asians, with every combination you can think of).

[Maximilian American]

I live in Miami, so I got tickets to the debate. I'll let you guys know how it went! I can't wait!

How did you get tickets to this event? I am very interested in attending.

[Tarabell952]

How did you get tickets to this event? I am very interested in attending.

Throuh a friend of a friend of a friend. It is supposed to be for UM students only, and I am not a UM student. I have heard that they are going to check student IDs at the door, but then some people have said they won't because they don't want empty seats, so I don't know.

I can't get any more but I have heard that there are people walking around UM asking or even paying students to go get them tickets with their IDs, so if you want to go bad enough, you could try that.

[idiom]

I think the Arabs might resent that ;).

I know a lot of Iranians who get really annoyed at everyone calling them arabs...

[AlexMerced]

I know a lot of Iranians who get really annoyed at everyone calling them arabs...

I know the difference between a persian and an arab :)

[libertythor]

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[AlexMerced]

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[thehittgirl]

No one cares about this debate, I think this might be one of the best debate oppurtunities yet, I know it'll make or break his vote with a lot ofmy family. I already got my mom and brother, but the rest of my family are very moderate and usally get all their news from Univision.

Oh well, lol, I guess it is in Spanish so I assume a lot of people won't be able to follow it, but that's agood thing it'll be a lot of NEW faces being exposed to Paul like with the Morgan State Debate.

Too bad there isn't an LGB station (Bravo?), with the statistics that Bradley posted in the new section that would be a good oppurtunity. I wonder if the Advocate would be willing to interview Ron paul, anyone familiar with if that magazine does that kind of content?

Oh the debate sounds interesting. I used to watch Univision at work, I worked with non English speaking elderly people as a home health aide. It's been awhile since. I need to brush up on my Spanish.