Rep. Peter King fears Ted Cruz, Rand Paul stronger

[jct74]

Rep. Peter King fears Ted Cruz, Rand Paul stronger

By JONATHAN TOPAZ | 6/11/14 7:58 AM EDT

Rep. Peter King on Wednesday said the Republican Party cannot allow Ted Cruz and Rand Paul to take over following House Majority Leader Eric Cantor’s defeat.

“We can’t allow Eric’s defeat last night allow the Ted Cruzes and the Rand Pauls to take over the party, or their disciples to take over the party,” the moderate New York Republican said on MSNBC. “Because this is not conservatism to me. Shutting down the government is not being conservative.”

King has long been harshly critical of the tea party and two of the movement’s major icons, Sens. Ted Cruz of Texas and Rand Paul of Kentucky. On Wednesday, he was responding to a potential party leadership vacuum following economics professor Dave Brat’s stunning victory over Cantor in the Republican primary for Virginia’s 7th Congressional District, a result some are calling a sign of a tea party takeover of the GOP.

When asked whether immigration reform is now dead in the House following Cantor’s defeat, King responded: “My concern is that a lot of things are going to be dead and pushed to the side. I’m concerned that, for instance, that the Ted Cruz supporters, the Rand Paul supporters, are going to use this as an excuse to basically stop the government from functioning. I mean, thank God there’s no debt ceiling vote coming up.”

King said that with the defeat, Congress will likely take up very little legislation until the midterm elections in November.

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[acptulsa]

'Filler filler filler Ted Cruz is as good as Rand Paul filler filler filler.'

Sorry, Peter. Not buying your bullshit no matter how hard you try to make your primary message seem like an accidental admission.

[Peace&Freedom]

What a triple defeat for the establishment. Cantor's landslide defeat to a underfunded Tea Party candidate kinda destroys the narrative that the TP is dead or "under control." Since the primary debate was about immigration, it topples the momentum of the "finally the GOP will pass amnesty" meme. And the news has disrupted the flow of "how dangerous the liberty movement is" demonizing going on based on the recent shootings. How can the legitimacy of the pro-liberty movement be questioned in light of the primary results, which are held in this country to be the chief measurement of legitimacy?

[mosquitobite]

Peter King: “Because this is not conservatism to me. Shutting down the government is not being conservative.”

Sure it is, idiot!

con·serve [v. kuhn-surv; n. kon-surv, kuhn-surv]
verb (used with object), con·served, con·serv·ing.
1. to prevent injury, decay, waste, or loss of: Conserve your strength for the race.
2. to use or manage (natural resources) wisely; preserve; save: Conserve the woodlands.

[RonPaulMall]

Sorry, Peter. Not buying your bullshit no matter how hard you try to make your primary message seem like an accidental admission.

Immigration is what propelled Brat to victory, and Cruz has a much more popular stance on immigration than Paul. King is a lying turd, but yesterday was a very good day for Ted Cruz. If Cruz beats Paul in the primary, it will be on the strength of the immigration issue.

[UtahApocalypse]

Immigration is what propelled Brat to victory, and Cruz has a much more popular stance on immigration than Paul. King is a lying turd, but yesterday was a very good day for Ted Cruz. If Cruz beats Paul in the primary, it will be on the strength of the immigration issue.

Someone watches the MSM. My understanding is the reality on the ground last nights win was not about immigration.

[RonPaulMall]

Someone watches the MSM. My understanding is the reality on the ground last nights win was not about immigration.

I haven't watched the MSM in over a decade.

[acptulsa]

I haven't watched the MSM in over a decade.

Who needs it? We've got Matt the Conventional Wisdom Parrot.

[juleswin]

Another confirmation Rand is not close to Killary. I mean if he was anything like her, this snake would be out taking in the sun but seeing him whine tells me even he knows Rand is not like the rest of the establishment pols. What I cant figure out is why he threw in Ted Cruz's name

[TER]

Another confirmation Rand is not close to Killary. I mean if he was anything like her, this snake would be out taking in the sun but seeing him whine tells me even he knows Rand is not like the rest of the establishment pols. What I cant figure out is why he threw in Ted Cruz's name

He whined and moaned when Ted Cruz filibustered Obamacare. Peter King likes socialism as it offers him job security. In a truly free Republic of educated voters, Rep. King's best qualifications would be a career as a used car salesmen (I am sorry if I insulted used car salesmen).

[Vanguard101]

Another confirmation Rand is not close to Killary. I mean if he was anything like her, this snake would be out taking in the sun but seeing him whine tells me even he knows Rand is not like the rest of the establishment pols. What I cant figure out is why he threw in Ted Cruz's name
Cruz is anti-establishment even if he isn't libertarian leaning.

[mit26chell]

Immigration is what propelled Brat to victory, and Cruz has a much more popular stance on immigration than Paul. King is a lying turd, but yesterday was a very good day for Ted Cruz. If Cruz beats Paul in the primary, it will be on the strength of the immigration issue.

Sorry, but it simply doesn't make sense to say that immigration is what tipped the election since Lindsay Graham won as well.

[francisco]

Rep. Peter King on Wednesday said the Republican Party cannot allow Ted Cruz and Rand Paul to take over following House Majority Leader Eric Cantor’s defeat.

Good!! He's worried.

[francisco]

Immigration is what propelled Brat to victory, and Cruz has a much more popular stance on immigration than Paul. King is a lying turd, but yesterday was a very good day for Ted Cruz. If Cruz beats Paul in the primary, it will be on the strength of the immigration issue.

Which positions Rand well as being more moderate than Cruz on immigration, and therefore more acceptable to the establishment wing as a leader of all factions, while still being acceptable to the Tea Party wing on most issues.

Rand is positioning himself to be a uniter, and as someone the majority of voters could support, both within the Republican Party and the general electorate.

[RonPaulMall]

Sorry, but it simply doesn't make sense to say that immigration is what tipped the election since Lindsay Graham won as well.]

Lindsay Graham got 56% of the vote yesterday. Tim Scott got 90%. Graham survived where Cantor did not because Graham is a better politician than Cantor. He sucks up to the folks back home, does outstanding constituent services, and presents himself as polite and likeable. But you are kidding yourself if you think immigration and its place in the front of the broader war against the middle class theme that Brat ran on wasn't the driving factor. Immigration was the focus of Brat's campaign. It was the primary issue that brought the few big time friends Brat had (like Laura Ingram) in to the race in a major way. In the final week of the campaign, the current Immigration nightmare was the top story on Drudge every single day and dominated the discussion on Talk Radio.


Which positions Rand well as being more moderate than Cruz on immigration, and therefore more acceptable to the establishment wing as a leader of all factions, while still being acceptable to the Tea Party wing on most issues.

Rand is positioning himself to be a uniter, and as someone the majority of voters could support, both within the Republican Party and the general electorate.

The establishment fat cats you mean. Establishment voters are just as pissed about the immigration issue as conservative voters. Brat's district isn't some hot bed of rabid conservatism. Pandering to the fat cats (who won't really support Rand anyway) at the expense of the people may be a HUGE tactical error given the current political environment. Cruz can position himself as the defender of the Middle Class and paint Rand as a tool of Wall Street.

[francisco]

Another confirmation Rand is not close to Killary. I mean if he was anything like her, this snake would be out taking in the sun but seeing him whine tells me even he knows Rand is not like the rest of the establishment pols. What I cant figure out is why he threw in Ted Cruz's name

Because Peter King is in actuality in the real establishment, and is not really a conservative. He fears losing control to anyone outside the establishment, whether it be someone with libertarian leanings like Rand, or someone like Cruz who is IMO more a blend of paleoconservative and neocon.

[twomp]

Immigration is what propelled Brat to victory, and Cruz has a much more popular stance on immigration than Paul. King is a lying turd, but yesterday was a very good day for Ted Cruz. If Cruz beats Paul in the primary, it will be on the strength of the immigration issue.


In a development that is going to shake the Republican Establishment to its foundations, Republican House majority leader Eric Cantor has been defeated: with a little more than 60 percent of the vote in, David A. Brat, a professor of economics and a trenchant critic of the National Security Agency’s spying on American citizens is clobbering the pro-NSA Cantor with a little less than 60 percent of the vote so far.

Brat started out with $50,000 of his own money to launch what many viewed as a quixotic campaign against a well-funded and well-entrenched opponent. At the starting bell, Cantor had over a million and a half in his campaign war chest.

Brat is an incisive critic of the Surveillance State. On his campaign web site, he went after Cantor for voting for the NDAA and against Rep. Justin Amash’s legislation that would have reined in the NSA. As the Brat campaign put it:

"Dave believes that the Constitution does not need to be compromised for matters of national security. He supports the end of bulk phone and email data collection by the NSA, IRS, or any other branch of government."

Not only that, but Brat went after Cantor for voting for the National Defense and Authorization Act (NDAA) on the grounds that it "authorizes the unconstitutional bulk data collection by the government under the PRISM program." He also savaged Cantor for voting against Rep. Justin Amash’s amendment to the Act, which would have stopped bulk collection dead in its tracks.

http://news.antiwar.com/2014/06/10/house-gop-leader-defeated-by-anti-nsa-challenger/

[RandallFan]

Sorry, but it simply doesn't make sense to say that immigration is what tipped the election since Lindsay Graham won as well.

Graham didn't get amnesty signed by a president. He didn't get carbon taxes signed by a president.

Tim Scott who is with Jeff Sessions and DeMint on immigration won in a landslide( I didn't check what the % was).

Amnesty and massive immigration is a middle ground issue for middle class whites in many states, poor blacks and some Hispanics. Not just amongst whites in the Deep South some of whom are not even exposed to the issue.

79.51% of Montana voted to make ID mandatory for public services in 2012. The GOP still lost the Senate race because Jon Tester was against amnesty at the time.

In Arizona Kyl, McCain,Napolitano and AZGOP opposed all the ballot measures on illegal aliens, English and other issues and they still won with a large minority of Democrats supporting it.

[Christian Liberty]

Sure it is, idiot!

con·serve [v. kuhn-surv; n. kon-surv, kuhn-surv]
verb (used with object), con·served, con·serv·ing.
1. to prevent injury, decay, waste, or loss of: Conserve your strength for the race.
2. to use or manage (natural resources) wisely; preserve; save: Conserve the woodlands.

Hmm... Conserving the status quo would agree with Peter King. This is why I dislike being called a conservative except in a theological sense. That said, I prefer your definitions, especially since Peter King's ideology and that of liberal democrats is essentially the same.

[Christian Liberty]

Because Peter King is in actuality in the real establishment, and is not really a conservative. He fears losing control to anyone outside the establishment, whether it be someone with libertarian leanings like Rand, or someone like Cruz who is IMO more a blend of paleoconservative and neocon.

If you look at the left-right spectrum as it currently exists in Washington, Ted Cruz is basically just the extreme right. There's really no point where a Democrat is going to be like "much as I hate it, I have to agree with Cruz on this." Cruz is, in partisan terms, everything the Democrats are not. Of course, the mainstream spectrum doesn't exactly allow that many differences anyway.

Rand, by contrast, doesn't really fit on the spectrum at all. He's like a right winger on some issues and a left-winger at others. I'm fine with saying he's "libertarian leaning" but he certainly isn't ideologically libertarian. There are a lot of issues where the honest Democrat just has to agree with him.

Basically, I'd say Cruz believes similar ideology as the GOP, he's just more extreme on all of it (foreign policy is an exception, but I would say that he's really the same as most of the GOP on that subject, not really better). While Rand has a different ideology entirely. (I use the word "ideology" consistently. All politicians are pragmatic to some degree. Even Ron Paul was, though he was far less so than anyone else. There's no politician who's logically consistent.)

[RandallFan]

Steve King(IA) is the real spoiler threat. He has gone to NH and SC to network. He could just compete in Iowa to spoil. He is actually a good ad lib speaker and likeable. He supports Cruz and Christie. Christie barely condemned him for his Cantaloupe comment.

[anaconda]

Someone watches the MSM. My understanding is the reality on the ground last nights win was not about immigration.

Sounds like some crossover votes from Democrats in the open primary had something to do with it.

[RonPaulMall]

Graham didn't get amnesty signed by a president. He didn't get carbon taxes signed by a president.

Tim Scott who is with Jeff Sessions and DeMint on immigration won in a landslide( I didn't check what the % was).

Amnesty and massive immigration is a middle ground issue for middle class whites in many states, poor blacks and some Hispanics. Not just amongst whites in the Deep South some of whom are not even exposed to the issue.

79.51% of Montana voted to make ID mandatory for public services in 2012. The GOP still lost the Senate race because Jon Tester was against amnesty at the time.

In Arizona Kyl, McCain,Napolitano and AZGOP opposed all the ballot measures on illegal aliens, English and other issues and they still won with a large minority of Democrats supporting it.

Scott won 90% of the vote in South Carolina yesterday compared to Lindsey's 56%.

[RandallFan]

If Eric Cantor had been anti-amnesty he would not have lost. If he had simply said no immigration deal with Obama. No immigration deal without Senate GOP control he would have won. He didn't lose by 50 points.

Probably 40% of the South Carolina primary voters are totally opposed to doing any major deals with Obama on immigration. So rule out 40% of voters to get some of the 2% of voters who are Hispanic.

Who has lost a GOP primary being opposed to immigration reform and gun control?

Lou Barletta voted to re open the government after the shutdown. In January 2013 he went on ABC and opposed any immigration or gun control. He's not going to lose a primary for 10 years. He can vote as fiscally liberal as he wants he won't lose a primary.

Joe Wilson will never lose. Mulvaney has a better chance of losing a future primary.

Chris Cannon, Dick Lugar, Murkowski, Bennett and others all lost in part due to amnesty. They didn't lose 75-25.

Peter King agrees with Rand on doing immigration in 2014.