PDA

View Full Version : Sheriff Michael Gayer: "The United States of America has become a war zone"




liberty2897
06-09-2014, 06:49 PM
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2014/06/07/police-officer-safety-surplus-zeal-military-equipment-spurs-debate-mrap-military-vehicle/10170225/


In a pole barn in Franklin, sharing space with a motorcycle and a boat, sat an imposing military vehicle designed for battlefields in Iraq or Afghanistan, not the streets of Johnson County.

It is an MRAP — a bulletproof, 60,000-pound, six-wheeled behemoth with heavy armor, a gunner's turret and the word "SHERIFF" emblazoned on its flank — a vehicle whose acronym stands for "mine resistant, ambush protected."

"We don't have a lot of mines in Johnson County," confessed sheriff Doug Cox, who acquired the vehicle. "My job is to make sure my employees go home safe."

Johnson County is one of eight Indiana law enforcement agencies to acquire MRAPs from military surplus since 2010, according to public records obtained by The Indianapolis Star. The vehicles are among a broad array of 4,400 items — everything from coats to computers to high-powered rifles — acquired by police and sheriff departments across the state.

Law enforcement officials, especially those from agencies with small budgets, say they're turning to military surplus equipment to take advantage of bargains and protect police officers. The MRAP has an added benefit, said Pulaski County Sheriff Michael Gayer, whose department also acquired one: "It's a lot more intimidating than a Dodge."

Even in Pulaski County, population 13,124, a more military approach to law enforcement is needed these days, Gayer suggested.

"The United States of America has become a war zone," he said. "There's violence in the workplace, there's violence in schools and there's violence in the streets. You are seeing police departments going to a semi-military format because of the threats we have to counteract. If driving a military vehicle is going to protect officers, then that's what I'm going to do."

But, to some, the introduction of equipment designed for war in Fallujah, Iraq, to the streets of U.S. towns and cities raises questions about the militarization of civilian police departments. Will it make police inappropriately aggressive? Does it blur the line between civilian police and the military?

"Americans should ... be concerned unless they want their main streets patrolled in ways that mirror a war zone," wrote Rep. Hank Johnson, D-Ga., co-author of a USA Today article earlier this year. "We recognize that we're not in Kansas anymore, but are MRAPs really needed in small-town America?"

A smorgasbord of equipment

The MRAPs were obtained from the Law Enforcement Support Office of the federal Defense Logistics Agency. Local agencies pay only the cost of delivery.

Other departments that used the program to acquire MRAPs included the West Lafayette Police Department; the Morgan County Sheriff; the Merrillville Police Department; the Mishawaka Police Department; the Terre Haute Police Department; and the Jefferson County Sheriff.

Military surplus can save departments a lot of money. In Franklin's case, Cox estimated, it paid about $5,000 for its MRAP. The government paid $733,000 when it was new.

Morgan County Sheriff Robert Downey and Major Jerry Pickett, head of Johnson County SWAT, said if they had $300,000 to spend, they would prefer a commercial "BearCat" armored vehicle — such as what the IMPD has — instead of a military MRAP. The BearCat is smaller, lighter and faster. The MRAP can't exceed 65 mph. But they don't have that money. So they used military surplus.

In Johnson County, the sheriff's department had been using a 22-year-old armored "Peacekeeper" vehicle from military surplus before it became unreliable. It's much smaller than the MRAP and looks its age. Cox said maintenance for the MRAP will come out of the jail's commissary fund.

"I think us having (the MRAP) in that barn is much better than the federal government leaving it rusting on a cement slab somewhere in Texas or Virginia or wherever these may be sitting," Cox said.

And heavy equipment isn't all that's available.

Gayer, who is among the state's most prolific applicants for military surplus items, said he checks a website every day to see what's available. Pulaski County has obtained equipment originally worth a total of $4.9 million, including numerous trucks, a snow camouflage parka, a "ballistic blanket" capable of resisting certain kinds of ammunition and night vision sniperscopes. Gayer's agency shares a SWAT unit with Starke County.

"We are a rural law enforcement agency and not readily served by larger agencies ... to handle our emergency needs," Gayer wrote in his application for the MRAP. "Therefore, we are building our department with surplus equipment to handle the needs of our citizens and their safety."

In the northern Indiana town of Walkerton, population 2,247, the police department doesn't have an MRAP, but it has obtained numerous military surplus items. That includes laptops in the police cars, cameras, clothing and office items. It also includes two Humvees, four M16 rifles and holographic sights for the rifles.

Steve Heltzel, marshal of the police department in Rome City, population 1,369, said some of his military surplus equipment has been valuable, but he's in the process of returning the most expensive items because they don't work or weren't what he thought he was getting. Other officers also noted the lack of detailed descriptions and sometimes poor condition of equipment.

A nightscope, Heltzel said, "looked like what I used in Vietnam." A gunfire simulator that Heltzel thought would be an audio system for police training, turned out to be a 150-pound device for training soldiers in tanks.

"It appears to be something you have to put explosives in," Heltzel said.

The police department in Mooreland, population 367, has a hazardous material analyzer, originally worth $75,000, according to government records — and a soft-serve ice cream machine.

Mooreland Police Department marshal Jeff Murray said suspicious powders have been mailed to police in the county, and, "If we were able to use it once — for what we got it for — it was worth it."

The ice cream machine is for community policing. It's an ironic, if rare, counterpoint to critics who say military equipment pulls police away from a community policing mindset.

'A police industrial complex'

The main argument for the military equipment is officer safety. "Throughout our careers as police officers," Walkerton police chief Matthew Schalliol said, "we never know what we're going to encounter."

It seems hard to refute. Who doesn't want cops to be safe? But Peter Kraska, author of numerous studies, including "Militarizing Mayberry and Beyond: Making Sense of American Paramilitary Policing," said it's more complicated than that.

"The problem with that is, it's a real slippery slope and it can become unreasonable," said Kraska, a professor at Eastern Kentucky University's School of Justice Studies. "A traffic stop is extremely dangerous for the police. In a democratic society, though, we wouldn't want to see those traffic stops or even 25 percent of those traffic stops handled by a SWAT team.

"If what you mean by being cautious (to protect officers) is increasingly militarize, that doesn't necessarily result in safe outcomes. In fact, it can escalate risky situations instead of deescalate them."

If an agency has an MRAP, he said, it might feel it needs to use the vehicle, increasing the number of deployments by its SWAT team. That means broadening the situations an agency defines as being in need of a SWAT team.

Cox, the Johnson County Sheriff, said he will not let officers "get over-excited" about using the vehicle.

"To be honest with you," Cox said, "I would be happy with it never coming out of the pole barn. I wish society today was peaceful enough to where we never had to bring it out of the pole barn."

Morgan County's application for an MRAP — obtained through a public records request — said the vehicle would be used for situations such as "active shooter, barricaded suspect, emergency response, critical incident, hostage rescue, natural disaster rescue, drug search warrants and felony arrest warrants."

Kraska said no data exists on deployment of MRAPs by law enforcement, or outcomes. The American Civil Liberties Union announced a project last year to collect data through public records.

"We certainly understand that law enforcement has a challenging job," said Jane Henegar, executive director of the ACLU of Indiana. "We demand that they keep us safe, and it has to be done in an atmosphere where you respect people's rights and freedoms. That's a hard job."

Radley Balko, author of "The Rise of the Warrior Cop," wrote that Department of Homeland Security grants to law enforcement have also fueled militarization, and that military contractors are marketing to police.

"A new industry appears to be emerging just to convert those grants into battle-grade gear," Balko wrote. "That means we'll soon have powerful private interests, funded by government grants, who will lobby for more government grants to pay for further militarization — a police industrial complex."

The libertarian Cato Institute has been outspoken against militarization of police, pointing readers to a map and database titled "Botched Paramilitary Police Raids."

That map has three examples from Indiana, the most recent from 2007. But other states haven't been as fortunate.

Last month, a 19-month-old boy was burned and needed skin grafts when sheriff's deputies in Habersham County, Ga., serving a "no-knock" warrant on drug suspects at 3 a.m., threw a flash grenade that landed in the child's playpen. Officers believed there were no children present.

The child's mother told an Atlanta television station that doctors had to put her son into an induced coma. Last week, state and federal officials opened investigations.

"He's such a happy little boy, and to see him like this laying there, not moving, it's heartbreaking," the boy's mother said. "We just want to hold him and we can't."

'Everybody was in awe'

Neither Johnson County nor Morgan County has a written policy on when to use the MRAP. Downey, the Morgan County sheriff, said it's a judgment call by the head of his SWAT team. Cox said he would have input, but if he's gone, Johnson County's SWAT leader would decide.

Morgan County's MRAP arrived last October and has been used twice, Downey said. Last December in Owen County, Downey said, a suspect came out of a home and turned himself in without violence. The other call, in January, ended as the MRAP was on its way to Cloverdale, Ind., when officers received notification that the vehicle wasn't needed. It's not unusual for agencies to use their MRAPs in a different jurisdiction, if requested.

Johnson County has used its MRAP once since obtaining it in Feburary. It was for a case late last month in Edinburgh involving a fight between two men, a stabbing and a suspect barricading himself in another home.

David Lutz, deputy chief of the Edinburgh Police Department, said he thought the case could be a homicide at the time, so he called for Johnson County's SWAT.

Cox called the MRAP "perfect" for the situation. Without it, officers would have to "stage" raids farther from the target, moving stealthily and taking cover behind cars and trees.

Police parked the MRAP directly in front of the home. Lutz said the man was intoxicated and wouldn't come out, so SWAT officers entered and arrested him.

Lutz fully supports using the MRAP. "Oh, yeah, anything for the safety of officers," he said. "SWAT is after the worst of the worst. It's what they do."

But he also said he wasn't expecting to see an MRAP when he called in SWAT.

"Pretty soon, here comes this massive, intimidating truck," Lutz said. "I'm thinking, that's almost a tank. I could not imagine what the guy inside the house would think. Can you imagine seeing that, how intimidating that would be? Everybody was in awe."

The vehicles do get noticed.

To retrieve their MRAP, three officers from the Johnson County Sheriff flew to Houston. They had a two-hour tutorial and then drove home, according to Pickett, the SWAT team leader.

The hulking vehicle was still painted a solid desert-sand color at the time. When they stopped for fuel, Pickett said, people were extremely curious: "I think they probably thought we were military."

Contact Mark Alesia at (317) 444-6311, mark.alesia@indystar.com and @markalesia.

Johnson County's MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected) vehicle

Manufacturer: BAE Systems.

Model: Caiman.

Original purchase price by military: $733,000.

Weight: 55,000 pounds.

Capacity: 10 people.

Maximum speed: 65 mph.

Height: 9 feet, 9 inches.

Length: 24 feet, 6 inches.

TheTexan
06-09-2014, 06:57 PM
It's only so they can protect you better, no need to worry

phill4paul
06-09-2014, 07:01 PM
IIRC, Gun homicides are down. Cop killings are down.


You are seeing police departments going to a semi-military format because of the threats we have to counteract.

Ain't no "semi" about it. You're in full on military mode, fugger. And the problem is...you're creating your own worst nightmare. When you look as citizens as an enemy then you will be looked upon as an occupier. And there will be blowback. So go ahead and get your surplus death traps. Because when the line is finally crossed and some have had all they can take it ain't gonna save ya. It didn't save the service men there. It ain't gonna save you here.

Suzanimal
06-09-2014, 07:03 PM
It is an MRAP — a bulletproof, 60,000-pound, six-wheeled behemoth with heavy armor, a gunner's turret and the word "SHERIFF" emblazoned on its flank — a vehicle whose acronym stands for "mine resistant, ambush protected."

"We don't have a lot of mines in Johnson County," confessed sheriff Doug Cox, who acquired the vehicle. "My job is to make sure my employees go home safe."

Are his cops getting ambushed on their way home? Yeah, didn't think so.

We are soooooo royally screwed.

otherone
06-09-2014, 07:16 PM
Do any of these bumfuck LEO's have to meet any kind of competency expectations? I mean, this is a lot of firepower for Mayberry....

http://dwave.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/inbred.png

TheTexan
06-09-2014, 07:17 PM
Do any of these bumfuck LEO's have to meet any kind of competency expectations? I mean, this is a lot of firepower for Mayberry....

http://dwave.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/inbred.png

They don't have to meet any kind of competency expectations, they just have to not exceed any kind of competency expectations.

otherone
06-09-2014, 07:20 PM
They don't have to meet any kind of competency expectations, they just have to not exceed any kind of competency expectations.

touche, em-effer.

RJB
06-09-2014, 07:28 PM
Do any of these bumfuck LEO's have to meet any kind of competency expectations? I mean, this is a lot of firepower for Mayberry....

http://dwave.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/inbred.png

Where is that photo from originally. I see it everywhere.

otherone
06-09-2014, 07:33 PM
Where is that photo from originally. I see it everywhere.

the glass...in front of you...while you're shaving?

:D

VIDEODROME
06-09-2014, 07:44 PM
The argument seems almost reasonable at first. Why risk getting shot?

But then with this added protection, police might be more likely to go places they wouldn't before. It makes me think a lot about the effects Tasers have had. The perceived 'non-lethal' aspect of Tasers leads police to use them on civilians.

With this Car/Tank, police will feel more confident about blundering into situations they normally wouldn't have done before. It's also worth considering their getting a military style vehicle, but are they really trained for it? How does one properly maneuver and optimally use this vehicle in an urban environment? Can it even get into small neighborhoods with cars parked in the street?

otherone
06-09-2014, 07:47 PM
Can it even get into small neighborhoods with cars parked in the street?

DUH.
Tow trucks....

otherone
06-09-2014, 07:51 PM
The MRAP has an added benefit, said Pulaski County Sheriff Michael Gayer, whose department also acquired one: "It's a lot more intimidating than a Dodge."

Screw him. It's not like Sheriff Gayest is talking....

Origanalist
06-09-2014, 08:08 PM
The Most Dangerous Jobs in America

http://www.ranker.com/list/the-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america/american-jobs?utm_expid=16418821-19.fYivk2gAQXaM6nD77CvZZA.0&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

1 Fisherman “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 127 (42 in 2011)„
2 Logger “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 104 (65 in 2011)„
3 Airplane Pilot “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 56 (71 in 2011)„
4 Farmer/Rancher “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 26 (268 in 2011)„
5 Construction Laborers “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 16 (191 in 2011)„

6 Sanitation Worker “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 36 (30 in 2011)„
7 Roofer “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 34 (60 in 2011)„
8No image Structural Iron and Steel Workers “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 30 (18 in 2011)„
9 Oil and Gas Driller “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 24„
10 Merchant Mariner “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 23„
11 Truck driver “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 25 (774 in 2011)„
12 Power Line Installer “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 20 (26 in 2011)„
13 Coal Miner “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 13 (17 in 2011)„
14 Grounds Maintenance Workers “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 17 (183 in 2011)„
15 Taxi and Limousine Driver “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 19 (64 in 2011)„

16 Police officer “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 19 (130 in 2011)„
17 Construction Equipment Operator “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 12 (47 in 2011)„
18No image Cement Manufacturer “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 13„
19 Miller “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 12„
20No image Athletes, Coaches, Umpires, and Referees “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 10„
21 Security guard “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 8„
22 Firefighter “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 7„
23No image Animal Slaughterers “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 2„

Anti Federalist
06-09-2014, 08:20 PM
"The United States of America has become a war zone," he said. "There's violence in the workplace, there's violence in schools and there's violence in the streets. You are seeing police departments going to a semi-military format because of the threats we have to counteract. If driving a military vehicle is going to protect officers, then that's what I'm going to do."

"If shooting Mundanes first and asking questions later, is going to protect officers, then that's what I'm going to do."

And they wonder why I have little sympathy when two of theirs gets gunned down for no reason...

The fact is that this cop is lying to you.

Cop killings are at never before seen record lows.

Violent crime is at record lows.

VIDEODROME
06-09-2014, 08:21 PM
Damn I've done Truck Driving. Where's mah Armored SemiTruck?

tod evans
06-09-2014, 08:22 PM
"The United States of America has become a war zone,"

So sayeth one of those who has declared war on Americans...

Anti Federalist
06-09-2014, 08:35 PM
16 - Police officer “ Number of Deaths per 100,000 Workers: 19 (130 in 2011)

And let's examine that...

From ODMP which lists 179 for 2011, so some of these are obviously not counted as work related.

Line of Duty Deaths: 179

9/11 related illness: 7
Aircraft accident: 1
Animal related: 1
Assault: 5
Automobile accident: 37
Drowned: 4
Duty related illness: 7
Explosion: 1
Gunfire: 68
Gunfire (Accidental): 5
Heart attack: 13
Heat exhaustion: 1
Motorcycle accident: 5
Stabbed: 2
Struck by vehicle: 4
Training accident: 1
Vehicle pursuit: 4
Vehicular assault: 12
Weather/Natural disaster: 1

http://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2011#ixzz34CR8fUNl

88 that could conceivably be caused by violence.

Compared to the first half of 2014:

Line of Duty Deaths: 55
Assault: 1
Automobile accident: 12
Fire: 1
Gunfire: 21
Gunfire (Accidental): 1
Heart attack: 6
Motorcycle accident: 2
Struck by vehicle: 3
Vehicle pursuit: 2
Vehicular assault: 6

Anti Federalist
06-09-2014, 08:40 PM
"The problem with that is, it's a real slippery slope and it can become unreasonable," said Kraska, a professor at Eastern Kentucky University's School of Justice Studies. "A traffic stop is extremely dangerous for the police. In a democratic society, though, we wouldn't want to see those traffic stops or even 25 percent of those traffic stops handled by a SWAT team."

Why not, ya fucking ding-dong?

Ya'll want it and vote for it, and more, over and over and over again.

Yay democracy!

Oh, wait...you meant a free constitutional republic with a bill of rights with teeth?

Next time, say so, dumbass.

Origanalist
06-09-2014, 09:04 PM
And let's examine that...


Yep, if you break it down it's even less than the stat's show as far as how dangerous the job really is. My job is more dangerous than theirs but you don't hear me asking for military equipment.

phill4paul
06-09-2014, 09:06 PM
Yep, if you break it down it's even less than the stat's show as far as how dangerous the job really is. My job is more dangerous than theirs but you don't hear me asking for military equipment.

You could ask. But, since your not special, you won't get it.

Origanalist
06-09-2014, 09:08 PM
You could ask. But, since your not special, you won't get it.

Well, I could use it on the OSHA agents.

phill4paul
06-09-2014, 09:15 PM
Well, I could use it on the OSHA agents.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/50675335.jpg

Tod
06-09-2014, 09:45 PM
It appears Sheriff Brad Rogers is not rubbing off on this dude much.

Anti Federalist
06-09-2014, 10:16 PM
Yep, if you break it down it's even less than the stat's show as far as how dangerous the job really is. My job is more dangerous than theirs but you don't hear me asking for military equipment.

So is mine.

And if we get killed, doing actual productive work, the whole city does not shut down and goes into spasms of mourning.

Czolgosz
06-09-2014, 11:23 PM
"It is an MRAP — a bulletproof, 60,000-pound, six-wheeled behemoth with heavy armor, a gunner's turret and the word "SHERIFF" emblazoned on its flank — a vehicle whose acronym stands for "mine resistant, ambush protected."


When the enemy exits the MRAP and heads home to their stick building the MRAP becomes irrelevant.

Origanalist
06-09-2014, 11:34 PM
So is mine.

And if we get killed, doing actual productive work, the whole city does not shut down and goes into spasms of mourning.

Nor do we get city finance busting pensions.

Anti Federalist
06-10-2014, 07:03 AM
Larry Thomas, a Hoosier, veteran police officer, and past contributor to Police State USA, wrote the following in response to Sheriff Gayer’s statements:

As a retired law enforcement command officer I was dismayed to read the remarks of Pulaski County Sheriff Michael Gayer, who said, “The United States of America has become a war zone. There’s violence in the workplace, there’s violence in schools and there’s violence in the streets.”

During my tenure in law enforcement there was violence in those places too. But it did not motivate us to transform from public servants and peacekeepers into warriors, taking weapons that were designed for foreign battlefields and turning them on the American people.

We were reluctant to deploy SWAT teams, fully realizing the violent response that such a display could provoke and employing such tactics only in the most extreme circumstances. Law enforcement agencies are now eager to deploy such teams even in a total absence of demonstrated need.

Here in my own city of Carmel, an incident occurred, reported in these pages, wherein a SWAT team deployed and terrorized a local family, jamming guns in their faces and dragging them away in handcuffs, based on nothing more than a single, unverified, uncorroborated phone call that a shooting had taken place. The report proved to be false.

This would have been simply impossible in my day. When we received such a phone call we sent officers to the location, and we knocked on the door! Wow! What a revolutionary concept!

No, Sheriff Gayer…The United States of America is NOT a war zone. It is the place where Americans work, live and play. Law enforcement officers who are trained that America is a war zone do not regard citizens as individuals with rights to be protected, but as an enemy to be subjugated. And if the law enforcement profession does not wake up and change this attitude, we, the people, will be forced to call on our legislators to rein you in.

Lieutenant Harry Thomas

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/indiana-sheriff-usa-become-war-zone/

Anti Federalist
06-10-2014, 07:05 AM
http://www.policestateusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Sheriff-Michael-Gayer-300x225.jpg

Pulaski County (Indiana) Sheriff Michael Gayer

Sheriff Gayer elaborates about the perceived battlefronts he faces on the department website:

“With the threat of homeland terrorism, rising violence in our schools, drug and alcohol abuse, our society and freedoms that we so dearly cherish are being challenged,” Gayer wrote.

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/indiana-sheriff-usa-become-war-zone/

In other words: They hate us for our freedoms...so lets take away freedom.

tod evans
06-10-2014, 07:07 AM
“With the threat of homeland terrorism, rising violence in our schools, drug and alcohol abuse, our society and freedoms that we so dearly cherish are being challenged,” Gayer wrote.



He hit all the watchwords with that one! :eek:

Anti Federalist
06-10-2014, 07:30 AM
He hit all the watchwords with that one! :eek:

And there will still be some circle jerking about "good cops".

Here it is, not us "cop bashers" saying it, but the cops themselves:


You are seeing police departments going to a semi-military format because of the threats we have to counteract

The problem is the numb fucks out there that do not understand or fully comprehend what that statement means and all its ramifications.

Very simply it means this:

You are no longer a citizen with rights, to be served and protected.

No, you are now a "hostile" to be neutralized.

tod evans
06-10-2014, 07:34 AM
No, you are now a "hostile" to be neutralized.


I like those who acknowledge that there's a war being waged on us and then turn right around and voice their adherence to the NAP...

mosquitobite
06-10-2014, 07:40 AM
Elkhart County in Indiana is the only segment of the state that is truly liberty oriented. The rest of the rural areas are bible thumpers who worship the police state.

Anti Federalist
06-10-2014, 07:41 AM
I like those who acknowledge that there's a war being waged on us and then turn right around and voice their adherence to the NAP...

Every time a "Las Vegas" incident happens, there is much distress at the fact that the police state will be ratcheted up yet another notch in response.

True enough.

Upside?

That makes the forces of tyranny act even more like what they are.

Anti Federalist
06-10-2014, 07:45 AM
Elkhart County in Indiana is the only segment of the state that is truly liberty oriented. The rest of the rural areas are bible thumpers who worship the police state.

I'll drop this off right here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeQUlr4Xc3s

kahless
06-10-2014, 07:53 AM
Larry Thomas, a Hoosier, veteran police officer, and past contributor to Police State USA, wrote the following in response to Sheriff Gayer’s statements:

As a retired law enforcement command officer I was dismayed to read the remarks of Pulaski County Sheriff Michael Gayer, who said, “The United States of America has become a war zone. There’s violence in the workplace, there’s violence in schools and there’s violence in the streets.”

During my tenure in law enforcement there was violence in those places too. But it did not motivate us to transform from public servants and peacekeepers into warriors, taking weapons that were designed for foreign battlefields and turning them on the American people.

We were reluctant to deploy SWAT teams, fully realizing the violent response that such a display could provoke and employing such tactics only in the most extreme circumstances. Law enforcement agencies are now eager to deploy such teams even in a total absence of demonstrated need.

Here in my own city of Carmel, an incident occurred, reported in these pages, wherein a SWAT team deployed and terrorized a local family, jamming guns in their faces and dragging them away in handcuffs, based on nothing more than a single, unverified, uncorroborated phone call that a shooting had taken place. The report proved to be false.

This would have been simply impossible in my day. When we received such a phone call we sent officers to the location, and we knocked on the door! Wow! What a revolutionary concept!

No, Sheriff Gayer…The United States of America is NOT a war zone. It is the place where Americans work, live and play. Law enforcement officers who are trained that America is a war zone do not regard citizens as individuals with rights to be protected, but as an enemy to be subjugated. And if the law enforcement profession does not wake up and change this attitude, we, the people, will be forced to call on our legislators to rein you in.

Lieutenant Harry Thomas

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/indiana-sheriff-usa-become-war-zone/

Gayer's position is totally indefensible even from this police perspective or even an average Joe perspective. A coward from a department full of cowards when you have cities with 100x the population serving without the need for military gear. It is like Barney Fife ordered an MRAP to protect Mayberry.

Snew
06-10-2014, 07:55 AM
And guess who started the war?

kahless
06-10-2014, 07:59 AM
Elkhart County in Indiana is the only segment of the state that is truly liberty oriented. The rest of the rural areas are bible thumpers who worship the police state.

Before I read your post I was wondering about the voters and thinking Indiana, hmmm, let me guess Christian boot lickers. They do just as much to drive people away from God as does Liberalism. What do you think it is with these people, all misinterpretation of Romans 13 or are police officers heavily embedded with the churches?

tod evans
06-10-2014, 09:00 AM
And if the law enforcement profession does not wake up and change this attitude, we, the people, will be forced to call on our legislators to rein you in.


Voting? ...........ROTFLMAO

Maybe some strongly worded letters too....:rolleyes:

tod evans
06-10-2014, 09:01 AM
And guess who started the war?

I know bikers, hillbillies, stoners and even lots of the uber-religious and none of the folks I know started this war they're waging....

Anti Federalist
06-10-2014, 02:35 PM
http://www.policestateusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Sheriff-Michael-Gayer-300x225.jpg

Pulaski County (Indiana) Sheriff Michael Gayer

Sheriff Gayer elaborates about the perceived battlefronts he faces on the department website:

“With the threat of homeland terrorism, rising violence in our schools, drug and alcohol abuse, our society and freedoms that we so dearly cherish are being challenged,” Gayer wrote.

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/indiana-sheriff-usa-become-war-zone/

In other words: They hate us for our freedoms...so lets take away freedom.

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fearthhopenetwork.net%2Fhomeland_se curity_hitler.jpg&f=1