Heavily Sovereign Citizen goes full retard and tries to take over the court house.

[mrsat_98]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/06/heavily-armed-sovereign-citizen-wounds-deputy-in-doomed-ga-courthouse-takeover-plot/

Authorities shot and killed a sovereign citizen Friday morning outside a Georgia courthouse after he brought weapons and explosives in an attempt to take over the building.

Investigators said Dennis Marx arrived at the Forsyth County Administration Building with an assault rifle, bulletproof vest, smoke grenades, and a gas mask.

Marx also brought water and other supplies, ammunition, zip-tie restraints, and buckets of homemade explosives to the courthouse, said Sheriff Duane Piper.

“He came here with the purpose of occupying the courthouse,” Piper said.

He deployed stop sticks at the courthouse entrance to prevent other vehicles from driving closer and opened fire from his vehicle.

Marx was met outside the courthouse by a deputy – who distracted and then fatally shot him through the windshield of the man’s SUV.

The deputy, a 30-year veteran, was shot in the knee during the confrontation but was expected to recover.

“It would be a guess to think how many lives he saved had he not engaged him right there,” Piper said. “Mr. Marx’s intention was to get inside that front door and to take hostages.”

Investigators said the 48-year-old Marx was a “sovereign citizen” who was well known to local authorities.

He has been due in court Friday to plead out on marijuana distribution and firearms possession charges.

His attorney, Ann Shafer, told reporters she had withdrawn from his case Thursday because he was unsatisfied with her negotiating abilities.

The attorney said she asked Marx – who she described as a firearms dealer – to undergo a psychological evaluation, but he refused.

Shafer said Marx had made “veiled threats” against her during their time together.

The sheriff described Marx’s home, where he apparently had not lived for 10 days, as a “bomb,” saying the house had been booby-trapped with homemade explosives.

Watch this video report posted online by WXIA-TV:

[mrsat_98]

BTW it would appear that he did this to himself. In before anyone else.

[eduardo89]

What a complete and utter cretin.

[squarepusher]

Sovereign Citizens are wackos

[mrsat_98]

Sovereign Citizens are wackos

I resemble the first part of that remark and resent the last. You as well as the shooter and the police obviously have no idea what a sovereign citizen is.

[Deborah K]

People are getting fed up, and going a little nuts in the process. Cliven Bundy could have been one of them, but instead, he took his case to the media and the freedom movement.

Stewart Rhodes, founder of the Oathkeepers - for those who are here just for drama and don't know that - was nice enough yesterday to come online and discuss what happened at Bundy Ranch. The reason it is so important for people to understand it, is because it is the first of many more similar incidences to come. One is brewing right now in Texas.

There were many lessons to be learned at Bundy Ranch, and Stewart goes into that. I recommend anyone who's concerned about being caught in the crossfire, or the gov't tightening things up even more, or getting off the grid, or preparing for when the shtf, go here and read what Rhodes wrote :http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?453288-Stewart-Rhodes-founder-of-Oathkeepers-was-right-about-federal-gov-t-attacking-Bundy-Ranch&p=5555539&viewfull=1#post5555539 it starts there and gets even better. Learn what you can. Things are going to get worse before they get better.

[dannno]

Sovereign Citizens are wackos

People who kidnap and put people in cages for sellings plants and guns are psychopaths, I guess I prefer "wackos".

[mrsat_98]

From what I have seen the Bundy Ranch deal is very suspicious, i.e. allegedly No one named Bundy owns any property in that county. It doesn't surprise me that someone is fed up, But for an alleged SC to do this and leave this allegation for the rest of us makes no sense at all.

[ZENemy]

The term Sovereign Citizens is an oxymoron.

Still this man was not a Sovereign Citizen he was a nutcase bent on hurting people to get his way.

[Deborah K]

From what I have seen the Bundy Ranch deal is very suspicious, i.e. allegedly No one named Bundy owns any property in that county..

Pose this to Rhodes in that thread, if you wouldn't mind. He states he'll come back tonight.

[Deborah K]

The term Sovereign Citizens is an oxymoron.

Still this man was not a Sovereign Citizen he was a nutcase bent on hurting people to get his way.

You absolutely sure about that?

[mrsat_98]

The term Sovereign Citizens is an oxymoron.

Still this man was not a Sovereign Citizen he was a nutcase bent on hurting people to get his way.

http://books.google.com/books?id=rxUTAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

1920's book entitled The Sovereign Citizen

[mrsat_98]

Pose this to Rhodes in that thread, if you wouldn't mind. He states he'll come back tonight.

I will have to dig it back up, They backed it all the way up to searching the assessors office and then had an entry that alleged to be the property in question belonging to someone by another name. But who knows.

[Czolgosz]

Sounds like he went after a bunch of cunts who were fvcking with him.

Lol @ you people getting sidetracked by a label.

[Deborah K]

I will have to dig it back up, They backed it all the way up to searching the assessors office and then had an entry that alleged to be the property in question belonging to someone by another name. But who knows.

I'll check too.

[mrsat_98]

Video at the Link
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=299982126844428

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=299982126844428


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoClpWL558M

[mrsat_98]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXl_QKcQZFg


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sheriff-details-shooters-frontal-assault-courthouse-n124741

[mrsat_98]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKNIuSJwFhI

Looks to be the radio traffic.

[mrsat_98]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XknRfBpu6KM

Suspect in custody in courthouse shooting at a courthouse north of Atlanta, Georgia - LoneWolf Sager

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

it would have been more entertaining if it was a dozen angry civilians rather than just one lone wolf

[Tod]

From what I have seen the Bundy Ranch deal is very suspicious, i.e. allegedly No one named Bundy owns any property in that county. It doesn't surprise me that someone is fed up, But for an alleged SC to do this and leave this allegation for the rest of us makes no sense at all.


Dunno where in the world you came up with THAT bit of misinformation. Certainly not the county property records. (http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/depts/assessor/pages/recordsearch.aspx)

Cliven's home property, address:
3315 GOLD BUTTE RD
BUNKERVILLE


Is owned by:
BUNDY REVOCABLE TRUST
BUNDY DAVID A & BODEL TRS
P O BOX 7005
BUNKERVILLE
NV 89007-0005

ever since:
Jul 5 1994

[eduardo89]

Investigators said the 48-year-old Marx was a “sovereign citizen” who was well known to local authorities.

Ironic name.

[Deborah K]

Dunno where in the world you came up with THAT bit of misinformation. Certainly not the county property records. (http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/depts/assessor/pages/recordsearch.aspx)

Cliven's home property, address:
3315 GOLD BUTTE RD
BUNKERVILLE


Is owned by:
BUNDY REVOCABLE TRUST
BUNDY DAVID A & BODEL TRS
P O BOX 7005
BUNKERVILLE
NV 89007-0005

ever since:
Jul 5 1994

I found this tidbit of information regarding the property in that area: http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2014/05/reid-bunkerville-llc-exposed-is-this-why-bundy-ranch-was-targeted-2618310.html

It might explain why Reid was so interested, since he owns so much of the land around there.

Sorry for the derail, OP.

[ZENemy]

You absolutely sure about that?

How can one be an independent authority while simultaneously claiming to be a member of a state government? Maybe I am taking the definitions too literal. Shouldn't one just be Sovereign?

cit·i·zen
noun \ˈsi-tə-zən also -sən\

: a person who legally belongs to a country and has the rights and protection of that country

: a person who lives in a particular place




sovereign
Use Sovereign in a sentence
sov·er·eign
[sov-rin, sov-er-in, suhv-] Show IPA
noun
1.
a monarch; a king, queen, or other supreme ruler.
2.
a person who has supreme power or authority.
3.
a group or body of persons or a state having sovereign authority.
4.
a gold coin of the United Kingdom, equal to one pound sterling: went out of circulation after 1914.
adjective
5.
belonging to or characteristic of a sovereign or sovereign authority; royal.
6.
having supreme rank, power, or authority.
7.
supreme; preeminent; indisputable: a sovereign right.
8.
greatest in degree; utmost or extreme.
9.
being above all others in character, importance, excellence, etc.

[ZENemy]

http://books.google.com/books?id=rxUTAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

1920's book entitled The Sovereign Citizen

Thank you.

Im reading it now, seems like a good read, I still disagree with the 2 words put together, kinda seems akin to saying an "Anarchist socialist"

[mrsat_98]

Good find. The vid I saw claimed otherwise, I was not chasing that rabbit at the time.



it would have been more entertaining if it was a dozen angry civilians rather than just one lone wolf


Dunno where in the world you came up with THAT bit of misinformation. Certainly not the county property records. (http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/depts/assessor/pages/recordsearch.aspx)

Cliven's home property, address:
3315 GOLD BUTTE RD
BUNKERVILLE


Is owned by:
BUNDY REVOCABLE TRUST
BUNDY DAVID A & BODEL TRS
P O BOX 7005
BUNKERVILLE
NV 89007-0005

ever since:
Jul 5 1994

[Tod]

How can one be an independent authority while simultaneously claiming to be a member of a state government? Maybe I am taking the definitions too literal. Shouldn't one just be Sovereign?

cit·i·zen
noun \ˈsi-tə-zən also -sən\

: a person who legally belongs to a country and has the rights and protection of that country

: a person who lives in a particular place




sovereign
Use Sovereign in a sentence
sov·er·eign
[sov-rin, sov-er-in, suhv-] Show IPA
noun
1.
a monarch; a king, queen, or other supreme ruler.
2.
a person who has supreme power or authority.
3.
a group or body of persons or a state having sovereign authority.
4.
a gold coin of the United Kingdom, equal to one pound sterling: went out of circulation after 1914.
adjective
5.
belonging to or characteristic of a sovereign or sovereign authority; royal.
6.
having supreme rank, power, or authority.
7.
supreme; preeminent; indisputable: a sovereign right.
8.
greatest in degree; utmost or extreme.
9.
being above all others in character, importance, excellence, etc.



I think that in this case, the sovereign individual considers themselves a citizen of their own country, population: one. They legally belong to themselves; they are their own supreme ruler.

[ZENemy]

I think that in this case, the sovereign individual considers themselves a citizen of their own country, population: one. They legally belong to themselves; they are their own supreme ruler.

OK that makes sense! You are probably right. Thanks.

[Tod]

Good find. The vid I saw claimed otherwise, I was not chasing that rabbit at the time.

There are actually quite a few Bundy property owners in Clark County, although whether they are all family of Cliven's I couldn't say.

[Deborah K]

The comments on the Raw Story article are disturbing. As Stephen said in 'Braveheart': We're focked!

[mrsat_98]

I think that in this case, the sovereign individual considers themselves a citizen of their own country, population: one. They legally belong to themselves; they are their own supreme ruler.



A SC is one who enjoys the rights and freedom of the Sovereign, We the People. vs the status of a 14th amendment slave.LRS 14:390 et. seq. will help one understand sovereignty.

In the mean time this thread is about whether a retard actually did this or whether a bunch of retards expect us to believe it.

Sorry Tod I misread your post. I wonder If Mr. Marx had been thinking about the recent baby burning incident in Georgia, interesting timing.

[Deborah K]

How can one be an independent authority while simultaneously claiming to be a member of a state government? Maybe I am taking the definitions too literal. Shouldn't one just be Sovereign?


I was referring to this part of your statement:



Still this man was not a Sovereign Citizen he was a nutcase bent on hurting people to get his way.

[Tod]

Certainly the guy did a poor job planning and executing (sorry) his takeover, but I wonder why he bothered to attempt it in the first place as opposed to living his own life on his own property, defending himself there as needed against those who wanted to take him to court or jail?

[Deborah K]

Certainly the guy did a poor job planning and executing (sorry) his takeover, but I wonder why he bothered to attempt it in the first place as opposed to living his own life on his own property, defending himself there as needed against those who wanted to take him to court or jail?

Listen to what his lawyer says in that interview: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/06/heavily-armed-sovereign-citizen-wounds-deputy-in-doomed-ga-courthouse-takeover-plot/

There will be more and more people going postal. Some folks just don't have enough of a support system to manage their frustration levels.

[ZENemy]

Listen to what his lawyer says in that interview: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/06/heavily-armed-sovereign-citizen-wounds-deputy-in-doomed-ga-courthouse-takeover-plot/

There will be more and more people going postal. Some folks just don't have enough of a support system to manage their frustration levels.


The comments in there are beyond scary.

[mrsat_98]

There are actually quite a few Bundy property owners in Clark County, although whether they are all family of Cliven's I couldn't say.


Certainly the guy did a poor job planning and executing (sorry) his takeover, but I wonder why he bothered to attempt it in the first place as opposed to living his own life on his own property, defending himself there as needed against those who wanted to take him to court or jail?

Suffering from Grandiosity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandiosity) or it could be a Georgia thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Nichols

[ZENemy]

Look at these comments


Tim Coolio • 15 minutes ago

Next they need to go after that guy in Nevada.






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LDizzle • 28 minutes ago

Same type of 'Sovereign citizen' as those ya'll baggers out at the Clevon Bundy ranch.




markkanicki • 31 minutes ago

"sovereign citizen" should be officially listed as a mental illness. If you've ever listened to these people, I think you'd agree. It's a whole other world of made-up garbage. Just uttering the words "I'm a sovereign citizen" should lead to nothing else except having a net thrown over you.



We are up against physcos and paid trolls.

[squarepusher]

that guy who shot up the Jewish center a few weeks ago, and killed 3 people was also a "sovereign citizen"


He has been due in court Friday to plead out on marijuana distribution and firearms possession charges.

His attorney, Ann Shafer, told reporters she had withdrawn from his case Thursday because he was unsatisfied with her negotiating abilities.

The attorney said she asked Marx – who she described as a firearms dealer – to undergo a psychological evaluation, but he refused.

Shafer said Marx had made “veiled threats” (http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/cumming/2014/06/06/shots-fired-forsyth-courthouse/10062865/) against her during their time together.
The sheriff described Marx’s home, where he apparently had not lived for 10 days, as a “bomb,” saying the house had been booby-trapped with homemade explosives.

[eduardo89]

that guy who shot up the Jewish center a few weeks ago, and killed 3 people was also a "sovereign citizen"

Another cretin.

[ZENemy]

Holy shit people think like this?


stingray68 • an hour ago

It will be harder for right-wing trolls and cranks to connect this RWNJ shooter to Democrats so their fallback excuse will be, of course, "False Flag." In the right-wing mind, there is no possibility of gun violence ever being connected to guns, or "law-abiding" (read white conservative) gun owners; they will never accept or admit that their own psychopathology is directly responsible for the atmosphere of hate and violence plaguing this nation.

[Deborah K]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKuKeeKMi_I

LOL, I just had to....

[mrsat_98]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2650822/Deputy-shot-leg-gas-mask-wearing-gunman-tried-courthouse-armed-assault-rifle-carrying-smoke-grenade.html

A former TSA employee, armed with homemade bombs and an assault rifle, was shot dead on Friday as he tried to enter an Atlanta, Georgia courthouse.
Dennis Marx, a self-proclaimed Sovereign Citizen, is believed to have been plotting to take hostages at the courthouse, where he had been due to attend a hearing on drug and weapons charges.
Deputy Daniel Rush, who was shot in the leg by the gunman, is being hailed a hero after he prevented Marx from gaining access to the building.
Marx, who was a a self-proclaimed Sovereign Citizen with links to an anti-government group, had arrived at the court building wearing a bullet proof vest and gas mask, and carrying weapons.
When he pulled up in his car, the 48-year-old threw out spiked stop strips to prevent vehicles from reaching him.
Deputy Daniel Rush confronted Marx, who was shot dead as he approached Forsyth County court at 9am ET.
Before he was shot dead, Marx shot through his windshield, striking Deputy Rush in the lower leg.
Deputy Rush, who is being treated in hospital for his injuries, has been hailed a hero for stopping what police believe was an attempted hostage situation.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2650822/Deputy-shot-leg-gas-mask-wearing-gunman-tried-courthouse-armed-assault-rifle-carrying-smoke-grenade.html#ixzz33tnfiePE
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[pcosmar]

A Sovereign Citizen is anyone they want to say it is.

[mrsat_98]

A Sovereign Citizen is anyone they want to say it is.

Well said.

I can't see a self proclaimed Sovereign Citizen working for TSA, much less being stupid enough to try this stunt. More unbelievable government trying to fake it.

[Tod]

Well said.

I can't see a self proclaimed Sovereign Citizen working for TSA, much less being stupid enough to try this stunt. More unbelievable government trying to fake it.

Maybe working for the TSA opened his eyes to the wrongs being committed and started him on a journey towards sovereignty? He does seem to be, shall we say, not the sharpest pencil in the drawer.

[Deborah K]

Maybe working for the TSA opened his eyes to the wrongs being committed and started him on a journey towards sovereignty? He does seem to be, shall we say, not the sharpest pencil in the drawer.

Exactly what I thought when I read that.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

A Sovereign Citizen is anyone they want to say it is.

I thought a sovereign citizen was basically a person who denies the authority of the government, so they're their own master.

[mrsat_98]

Holy shit people think like this?

Some people on this forum think that way.

[phill4paul]

The comments on the Raw Story article are disturbing. As Stephen said in 'Braveheart': We're focked!

That's because there are too many that aren't right. "In the head."

[CPUd]

Have they released his RPF username yet?

[TheCount]

A SC is one who enjoys the rights and freedom of the Sovereign, We the People. vs the status of a 14th amendment slave.LRS 14:390 et. seq. will help one understand sovereignty.

An SC is one who believes bullshit conspiracy theories dreamed up by white nationalists.

[Pericles]

From what I have seen the Bundy Ranch deal is very suspicious, i.e. allegedly No one named Bundy owns any property in that county. It doesn't surprise me that someone is fed up, But for an alleged SC to do this and leave this allegation for the rest of us makes no sense at all.

If he is smart he doesn't and has a corporation that owns the ranching operation. inheritance taxes every generation would have forced a sell off long before now.

[Philhelm]

Have they released his RPF username yet?

Zippyjuan.

[ChristianAnarchist]

The lawyer in the interview was asked if this guy was a "Sovereign Citizen" and she said she did not know. I find it hard to believe that first of all a SC would even get a lawyer to "represent" him and second that if one did, that the lawyer would have no knowledge of his views in this matter...

I will state that the SC movement is flawed in that they think that some magic words uttered in certain order in certain places have some kind of power to bind those people who believe they are working for the "state" in the "just-us" departments. The goons don't care about following "rules"...

[phill4paul]

that guy who shot up the Jewish center a few weeks ago, and killed 3 people was also a "sovereign citizen"

He was also white. We really need to reign in these white people.

[mrsat_98]

I will state that the SC movement is flawed in that they think that some magic words uttered in certain order in certain places have some kind of power to bind those people who believe they are working for the "state" in the "just-us" departments. The goons don't care about following "rules"...

I have won a few times and been advised by the system I was right but ut would be very difficult to take all the way.